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(The New York Times)   Former colleague of Dr. George Tiller set to reopen his shuttered abortion clinic to keep the terrorists from winning   (nytimes.com) divider line 271
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2013-02-17 09:36:09 PM
Oh my god.
I'd like to help pay for protective detail.
 
2013-02-17 09:40:28 PM
FTFA:Abortion opponents have vowed to keep it closed. Already, they have filed complaints with the city accusing Ms. Burkhart of renovating the clinic without proper permits. They have collected around 14,000 signatures in opposition to her plan. They have asked Wichita officials to change zoning rules to prohibit the clinic from operating in its current location. They have prayed.

I bet these people prayed for Obama to not get re-elected. I'm sure they are prayed for someone other then Mitt in the primaries. How is that whole prayer thing working out for you?

either:
A) the prayers they do nothing
B) God hates you
 
2013-02-17 10:00:00 PM
"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.
 
2013-02-17 10:07:51 PM
Fark Kansas.
 
2013-02-17 10:08:21 PM

ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.


Yeah, pretty much that.

"Oh we don't want people to think that we allow globs of snot to die here!  We would much rather people think that we execute medical professionals.  That's a lot better!"
 
2013-02-17 10:09:16 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.


No way.  At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.
 
2013-02-17 10:09:31 PM
Less than a month before Christians firebomb it.
 
2013-02-17 10:25:32 PM
Good luck.
 
2013-02-17 10:32:52 PM
Remember if it's Muslims doing the killing it's "terrorism" but if it's Christians doing the killing it's "patriotism".
 
2013-02-17 10:43:50 PM
Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?
 
2013-02-17 11:03:53 PM

zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?


This clinic will not be performing any abortions for women who are more than 14 weeks pregnant.
 
2013-02-17 11:22:18 PM

ksdanj: zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?

This clinic will not be performing any abortions for women who are more than 14 weeks pregnant.


I know, I was thinking of Tiller. Preventing late term abortions puts more lives in danger assuming it's a matter of the mother's life. I guess the anti-choice crowd see it as a 2 for 1 special for god
 
2013-02-17 11:46:54 PM
Hero Tag?

Damn straight!

Keep on fighting the good fight.

So-called Pro Life groups are ignorant zealots who leave a path of death and unnecessary misery in their wake.
 
2013-02-17 11:52:27 PM
Good. Those farking Christian anti-choice anti-American dickwads can die in fires. They are the worst human beings I have ever witnessed. Yes I've paid for an abortion, and yes, I've had those farkheads scream at me and my girl when we did nothing more than go to a goddamned doctor's office in Birmingham, Alabama.

At least I consider myself lucky. Those assholes firebombed the place a few weeks later.
 
2013-02-17 11:54:49 PM
hey guess what assholes? I paid to have my kid aborted nearly 20 years ago, and that's the best damn money I ever spent! A+++ would do again
 
2013-02-18 12:02:36 AM

zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?


Depends on the state.
 
2013-02-18 12:04:09 AM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.

FloydA: No way. At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.


Nuke Kansas?
 
2013-02-18 12:06:21 AM
1. This is awesome
2. Please bring the liberal circle jerk back to Kos
 
2013-02-18 12:11:12 AM
I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.
 
2013-02-18 12:12:51 AM
Good and good luck to them. These anti-women assholes would have preferred to see several of my friends die over terminating their pregnancies. Some were ectopic and some were late term, but all were wanted. That these anti-women assholes could even think that this is some kind of easy choice should make them eligible for a punch the crotch.
 
2013-02-18 12:13:50 AM

ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.


More celebrations then?
 
2013-02-18 12:15:43 AM

GAT_00: ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

More celebrations then?


Nope, Old Testament retribution.
 
2013-02-18 12:18:56 AM

ksdanj: GAT_00: ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

More celebrations then?

Nope, Old Testament retribution.


"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
 
2013-02-18 12:23:26 AM

cman: 1. This is awesome
2. Please bring the liberal circle jerk back to Kos


I don't think this is a 'liberal' or 'conservative' issue. It's about Jesus freaks who mostly constitute the protesting and shooting crowd. Like it or not, abortion is a right decreed by the highest authority in the land. That most of them are [Tea]publicans is just how it is.

/fetuses aren't red or blue...it's a personal choice now feircely made political
//Kos does suck, I'll give you that
 
2013-02-18 12:25:10 AM

ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.


What the fark is wrong with your state?

I'm sorry but between the WBC and this shiat it's hard to not think of everyone in that state as a backwards hick.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:50 AM
Fight murder with murder, I always say.
 
2013-02-18 12:34:06 AM

SilentStrider: "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."


I always like Fiddler on the Roofs take:
Villager: An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
Tevye: Very good. That way the whole world will be blind and toothless.

//cannot find source but there is also the "you end up with a bunch of blind men eating apple sauce" response
 
2013-02-18 12:52:39 AM

ksdanj: GAT_00: ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

More celebrations then?

Nope, Old Testament retribution.


Yeah, I really doubt that is what will happen.
 
2013-02-18 12:54:33 AM

GAT_00: ksdanj: GAT_00: ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

More celebrations then?

Nope, Old Testament retribution.

Yeah, I really doubt that is what will happen.


You read it here first.

And that's all I have to say about that.
 
2013-02-18 12:59:47 AM
Great.

Now maybe the Chinese restaurant down the street can reopen as well.
 
2013-02-18 01:01:12 AM
Abortion clinics are like Darwin's self-checkout lanes.

Leave them be.
 
2013-02-18 01:05:32 AM
we really need to step up the pro-abortion protesting.
might be good exercise too.

drive over to a clinic
take a TON of photos of the nice protesters
go walk with them and get their names and put trackers on their cars
follow them home and protest some more ...
first amendment right?

god I hate these people more than bush and cheney
 
2013-02-18 01:10:43 AM

namatad: we really need to step up the pro-abortion protesting.
might be good exercise too.

drive over to a clinic
take a TON of photos of the nice protesters
go walk with them and get their names and put trackers on their cars
follow them home and protest some more ...
first amendment right?

god I hate these people more than bush and cheney


resorting to Scientology like tactics seems ass backwards.

If they are violent or move beyond the means afforded to them by the 1st amendment then public shamming is all good. Upload that to Youtube and get them exposed for it.

If you have proof of their hypocrisy exposure is fine

Shamming will not work with zealots since they believe in their cause, you will just make them a leaving martyr
 
2013-02-18 01:13:23 AM

namatad: god I hate these people more than bush and cheney



How much do Bush and Cheney hate these people?
 
2013-02-18 01:19:03 AM

dickfreckle: cman: 1. This is awesome
2. Please bring the liberal circle jerk back to Kos

I don't think this is a 'liberal' or 'conservative' issue. It's about Jesus freaks who mostly constitute the protesting and shooting crowd. Like it or not, abortion is a right decreed by the highest authority in the land. That most of them are [Tea]publicans is just how it is.

/fetuses aren't red or blue...it's a personal choice now feircely made political
//Kos does suck, I'll give you that


No, you see it's been decreed by the c man that FARK is not an appropriate place for these discussions; FARK is only suitable for snarky comments. Any discussion (particularly those of a political nature,) should it involve a liberal expressing a point of view, is only allowed to occur at Kos.
 
2013-02-18 01:20:03 AM
...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.
 
2013-02-18 01:33:52 AM

Amos Quito: namatad: god I hate these people more than bush and cheney
How much do Bush and Cheney hate these people?


sigh
LOL
 
2013-02-18 01:38:50 AM

propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.


I wouldn't know.
 
2013-02-18 01:48:26 AM
I wish I owned a store that sold cardboard and Sharpies near there. Add in a "Spelling Consultation Fee" and it's time to start shopping for islands.
 
2013-02-18 01:49:08 AM

propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.


I've read many of his posts, and while I might not agree I can clearly see that he's not an asshole.

Dude, seriously.
 
2013-02-18 01:59:45 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Add in a "Spelling Consultation FeeFea" and it's time to start shopping for islands.


pet peeve.
 
2013-02-18 02:13:50 AM
That Troy Newman fellow who's using the "Operation Rescue" name, and who's quoted in the article is quite the character. He's got ties to the Army of God domestic terrorist group, and his version of Operation Rescue broke away from the original organization because they disagreed with the original group condemning the use of force. Oh yeah, and he had at least a certain level of association with Scott Roeder, which you'd think the NY Times would have mentioned what with this being a story about reopening Tiller's clinic and all.
 
2013-02-18 02:15:07 AM

dickfreckle: propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.

I've read many of his posts, and while I might not agree I can clearly see that he's not an asshole.

Dude, seriously.


Actually, I've seen him post basically the same cut and paste over the last 24 hours. He really does seem to be deliberately derailing conversations. I had to put him on ignore earlier today for that reason, even though he had, up until then, been on my "favorite conservatives" list.
 
2013-02-18 02:18:22 AM

dickfreckle: propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.

I've read many of his posts, and while I might not agree I can clearly see that he's not an asshole.

Dude, seriously.


Seriously. He's not a troll, we disagree sometimes, we agree from time to time. He's just on this 'take it to Kos' kick lately.
 
2013-02-18 03:02:12 AM

zedster: FTFA:Abortion opponents have vowed to keep it closed. Already, they have filed complaints with the city accusing Ms. Burkhart of renovating the clinic without proper permits. They have collected around 14,000 signatures in opposition to her plan. They have asked Wichita officials to change zoning rules to prohibit the clinic from operating in its current location. They have prayed.

I bet these people prayed for Obama to not get re-elected. I'm sure they are prayed for someone other then Mitt in the primaries. How is that whole prayer thing working out for you?

either:
A) the prayers they do nothing
B) God hates you


www.troll.me
 
2013-02-18 03:21:51 AM

propasaurus: dickfreckle: cman: 1. This is awesome
2. Please bring the liberal circle jerk back to Kos

I don't think this is a 'liberal' or 'conservative' issue. It's about Jesus freaks who mostly constitute the protesting and shooting crowd. Like it or not, abortion is a right decreed by the highest authority in the land. That most of them are [Tea]publicans is just how it is.

/fetuses aren't red or blue...it's a personal choice now feircely made political
//Kos does suck, I'll give you that

No, you see it's been decreed by the c man that FARK is not an appropriate place for these discussions; FARK is only suitable for snarky comments. Any discussion (particularly those of a political nature,) should it involve a liberal expressing a point of view, is only allowed to occur at Kos.


So...you are being oppressed?
 
2013-02-18 03:24:08 AM
Drew please do something. The progressives are being oppressed on FARK. This outrage cannot stand.
 
2013-02-18 03:25:51 AM
Good.

Abortion is the closest thing to natural selection/eugenics that is still tolerated and I'll be damned if the fundies take the last filter out of the pool.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:10 AM

abb3w: Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.
FloydA: No way. At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.

Nuke Kansas?


1.bp.blogspot.com
It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-02-18 03:26:52 AM

encyclopediaplushuman: Remember if it's Muslims doing the killing it's "terrorism" but if it's Christians doing the killing it's "patriotism".


Said no one, ever
 
2013-02-18 03:28:48 AM
If you truly believe that abortion is murder, then abortionists are mass murders. If you believe that you can save the lives of hundreds by killing one murderer, isn't an act of patriotic duty to kill that person and accept the consequences as a form of civil disobedience?

As long as people believe that the child in the womb is worth more than a mass of cells, you will have people willing to step in where the law refuses to step in.
 
2013-02-18 03:30:06 AM
The more fetusses get killed the better it is for human rights.

Lets get more abortion clinics going and have 2 for 1 sales on Wednesdays so you and your bff Jill can get empowered together via the magic of abortions.

Maybe even sponsor a soccer team. Its a win for society.
 
2013-02-18 03:32:06 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: encyclopediaplushuman: Remember if it's Muslims doing the killing it's "terrorism" but if it's Christians doing the killing it's "patriotism".

Said no one, ever


This is fark, if someone's never said something that equivocates to this I'll donate to the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2013-02-18 03:32:46 AM

mikaloyd: The more fetusses get killed the better it is for human rights.

Lets get more abortion clinics going and have 2 for 1 sales on Wednesdays so you and your bff Jill can get empowered together via the magic of abortions.

Maybe even sponsor a soccer team. Its a win for society.


Fetuses aren't life. Life begins at birth. It's magic.
 
2013-02-18 03:32:54 AM

Amos Quito: Great.

Now maybe the Chinese restaurant down the street can reopen as well.


Usually, it's just housecats in danger.

You incredibly sick bastard.
 
2013-02-18 03:35:24 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mikaloyd: The more fetusses get killed the better it is for human rights.

Lets get more abortion clinics going and have 2 for 1 sales on Wednesdays so you and your bff Jill can get empowered together via the magic of abortions.

Maybe even sponsor a soccer team. Its a win for society.

Fetuses aren't life. Life begins at birth. It's magic.


Damned right! Otherwise the whole thing would seem too barbaric
 
2013-02-18 03:37:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: If you truly believe that abortion is murder, then abortionists are mass murders. If you believe that you can save the lives of hundreds by killing one murderer, isn't an act of patriotic duty to kill that person and accept the consequences as a form of civil disobedience?

As long as people believe that the child in the womb is worth more than a mass of cells, you will have people willing to step in where the law refuses to step in.


But that's an absurd position.

When you're baking bread you put dough in the oven. That dough isn't bread, it's dough, and it will be nothing but uncooked dough up to the second that you finish baking and take it out of the oven.
 
2013-02-18 03:37:26 AM
I'm kind of amused (in a sickened way) that the protestors are trying to get the clinic rezoned out of existence by arguing that it will create a public nuisance because of the loud protests they'll be staging outside.

"If you let this happen we'll be loud and annoying outside it, so you shouldn't get it happen so we don't bother people"

Well gee, y'ever try just not being loud and annoying outside a clinic?
 
2013-02-18 03:38:16 AM

super_grass: AverageAmericanGuy: If you truly believe that abortion is murder, then abortionists are mass murders. If you believe that you can save the lives of hundreds by killing one murderer, isn't an act of patriotic duty to kill that person and accept the consequences as a form of civil disobedience?

As long as people believe that the child in the womb is worth more than a mass of cells, you will have people willing to step in where the law refuses to step in.

But that's an absurd position.

When you're baking bread you put dough in the oven. That dough isn't bread, it's dough, and it will be nothing but uncooked dough up to the second that you finish baking and take it out of the oven.


This is just good science, here.
 
2013-02-18 03:41:33 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: super_grass: AverageAmericanGuy: If you truly believe that abortion is murder, then abortionists are mass murders. If you believe that you can save the lives of hundreds by killing one murderer, isn't an act of patriotic duty to kill that person and accept the consequences as a form of civil disobedience?

As long as people believe that the child in the womb is worth more than a mass of cells, you will have people willing to step in where the law refuses to step in.

But that's an absurd position.

When you're baking bread you put dough in the oven. That dough isn't bread, it's dough, and it will be nothing but uncooked dough up to the second that you finish baking and take it out of the oven.

This is just good science, here.


Sounds good to me too! Where are those snarky fetusses that need killin? I volunteer to get the first one of those bastards.
 
2013-02-18 03:42:51 AM
Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.
 
2013-02-18 03:43:57 AM
Dawwww, isn't that cute? They can't win via normal methods (that don't include cold blooded murder), so they try to change the rules of the game. And to boot having an assclown say the clinic would become a nuisance for the neighbors due to all the protesting [his group] would do.

Also find it hilarious that they're referencing the KKK to the clinic.

/any odds on her chances of ending up like Tiller?
 
2013-02-18 03:44:05 AM

ciberido: abb3w: Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.
FloydA: No way. At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.

Nuke Kansas?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 490x290]
It's the only way to be sure.


We can try the nerve gas first, see how that goes.
 
2013-02-18 03:44:42 AM
Death to all fetusses!
 
2013-02-18 03:44:58 AM
Fetuses are parasites. Everything they do fits the description of the perfect parasite. Now, I don't know about you, but when I get a lamprey sit down on me, I pull the sucker off! Removing parasites is the intelligent thing to do.

www.itsallaboutfish.co.uk
 
2013-02-18 03:46:37 AM

Matthew Keene: Fetuses are parasites. Everything they do fits the description of the perfect parasite. Now, I don't know about you, but when I get a lamprey sit down on me, I pull the sucker off! Removing parasites is the intelligent thing to do.

[www.itsallaboutfish.co.uk image 555x370]


Nuke the parasites from orbit. Its the only way to be sure. Death from above! Death to parasite fetusses.
 
2013-02-18 03:49:25 AM
Ms. Burkhart was a colleague and close friend of Dr. George R. Tiller, the clinic's proprietor, who was fatally shot in church...

Gotta love those Christian sensibilities... Remember, these are the people who think they are superior enough to tell the rest of us how to live.
 
2013-02-18 03:49:45 AM

mikaloyd: Death to all fetusses!


Have you ever taken a roll out of the oven and found it a little too soft when you bit into it? Then you're basically no different than an abortion doctor.
 
2013-02-18 03:50:46 AM

ksdanj: I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.


Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism in regards to the aftermath. Nowadays, the murderer is far more likely to be nationally deified by the theofascists of the right wing and given a job on Fox News (sadly, that's not sarcasm). Seriously, America has gone bug-fark insane within the past few years.

propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every

pro-Democrat or pro-liberal Politics tab thread to say so.

/FTFY.
//But I'm sure it's just coincidence that he's never told a pro-Republican thread to "Stop being political and go back to Free Republic."
///He might have showed promise for a while, but now he's nothing but another tiresome threadshiatter.
 
2013-02-18 03:50:51 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mikaloyd: Death to all fetusses!

Have you ever taken a roll out of the oven and found it a little too soft when you bit into it? Then you're basically no different than an abortion doctor.


I am a hero too?

I shall never eat fully cooked bread again!
 
2013-02-18 03:51:20 AM
"...setting the stage for a re-emergence of the fiery passions that once made this conservative manufacturing town the center of the abortion battle in the United States."

I always wondered where they came from. How badly did the recession harm the conservative manufacturing sector?
 
2013-02-18 03:53:01 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


Man, you really are an evil farking asshole, aren't you?
 
2013-02-18 03:55:55 AM

James F. Campbell: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

Man, you really are an evil farking asshole, aren't you?


That dude could take all the fun out of abortions.
 
2013-02-18 04:00:06 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


That's your new farky.
 
2013-02-18 04:00:47 AM
The bill also included provisions prohibiting abortion providers from receiving tax credits, requiring doctors to warn women that abortion increases the risk of breast cancer (a theory widely disputed in medical circles)...

It's not "widely disputed", it's total bullshiat. It is a 100% twisting of the facts, and taking actual research results out of context. The actual evidence shows that women who carry a baby to term have a lower chance for breast cancer, due to the whole developing breast milk thing. The only way this "increases" the risk is because they don't get the decrease from the breast milk developing. Totally NOT the same thing at all. If you've got to lie to prove your point, maybe you need to re-think your point in the first place.

I wouldn't be anywhere near as pissed at these people if they weren't the very ones who fight to keep the mothers whom they want to force to have the babies from getting a penny of assistance once the baby is born. That whole "Christian Charity" thing doesn't really extend that far after all./
 
2013-02-18 04:01:26 AM

Bontesla: Oh my god.
I'd like to help pay for protective detail.


Sounds like you only need protection while at church...
 
2013-02-18 04:02:47 AM

mikaloyd: James F. Campbell: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

Man, you really are an evil farking asshole, aren't you?

That dude could take all the fun out of abortions.


However, DrPainMD, it's a 'she.' So I guess you can fark the corpse afterwards.
 
2013-02-18 04:04:12 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


And I hope that you wife or your daughter dies because she couldn't get a medically needed abortion to save her life.
 
2013-02-18 04:04:21 AM
I hope he stays safe. George Tiller was a christian, just had a different philosophy than others. The bible says you should not discriminate against Christians with different ideas, as you are all doing your best to make sky daddy happy and live a compassionate life
/agnostic, but still find religious manuscripts to contain decent points.
 
2013-02-18 04:06:03 AM
What a shame for the pro-lifers, if only there were some way to stop this plan from happening before it is fully formed...


Make whatever choices you want, but don't take away other peoples choices from them.  You don't know these people.  You don't know their situation.  They aren't your choices to take no matter how high an authority you claim to speak for.
 
2013-02-18 04:07:03 AM

mikaloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mikaloyd: Death to all fetusses!

Have you ever taken a roll out of the oven and found it a little too soft when you bit into it? Then you're basically no different than an abortion doctor.

I am a hero too?

I shall never eat fully cooked bread again!


Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?
 
2013-02-18 04:08:48 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


Why?
 
2013-02-18 04:09:34 AM

Ed Grubermann: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

And I hope that you wife or your daughter dies because she couldn't get a medically needed abortion to save her life.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-18 04:10:33 AM
"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich

In reality I'd like you to get hit by a bus
 
2013-02-18 04:12:19 AM
images.sodahead.com

/oblig.
 
2013-02-18 04:12:21 AM
Mr. Gittrich told the City Council that the clinic would create a nuisance for the neighborhood because of the protests it would attract. The planning commission is scheduled to meet this month to consider Mr. Gittrich's request to rezone the area to prohibit the clinic from opening.

Or, you could meet this month to consider NOT ALLOWING THE PROTESTS. It's easy--limit the amount of municipal property around the clinic, since legally they can't protest on the clinic's property, and if they choose to protest on someone else's property, the police can remove them as well. Have NO municipal property around the clinic, and the protesters will have to go elsewhere to be douchebags.
 
2013-02-18 04:14:15 AM

Biological Ali: mikaloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mikaloyd: Death to all fetusses!

Have you ever taken a roll out of the oven and found it a little too soft when you bit into it? Then you're basically no different than an abortion doctor.

I am a hero too?

I shall never eat fully cooked bread again!

Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?


I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.
 
2013-02-18 04:14:35 AM

sleeps in trees: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

Why?


Because black-Soshulism, GDI!!!
 
2013-02-18 04:15:31 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Biological Ali: 
Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?

I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.


You don't give a fark what happens to that dinner roll once it's out of the oven.
 
2013-02-18 04:15:51 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


I wonder... is "Don't post hate speech" an actual rule here, or just a polite suggestion? I guess I'll find out in the morning, depending on whether this post is still around.
 
2013-02-18 04:17:43 AM

Biological Ali: is "Don't post hate speech" an actual rule here, or just a polite suggestion?


as usual, it depends on who says it. My guess is it will just be a suggestion in this case.
 
2013-02-18 04:18:05 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Biological Ali: 
Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?

I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.

You don't give a fark what happens to that dinner roll once it's out of the oven.


Not even those cheese ones with the garlic butter from red Lobster?
That's a pretty rash statement.
I'll bet he cares passionately about dinner rolls.
 
2013-02-18 04:18:32 AM
The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way
//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much
 
2013-02-18 04:19:51 AM

Mikey1969: Mr. Gittrich told the City Council that the clinic would create a nuisance for the neighborhood because of the protests it would attract. The planning commission is scheduled to meet this month to consider Mr. Gittrich's request to rezone the area to prohibit the clinic from opening.

Or, you could meet this month to consider NOT ALLOWING THE PROTESTS. It's easy--limit the amount of municipal property around the clinic, since legally they can't protest on the clinic's property, and if they choose to protest on someone else's property, the police can remove them as well. Have NO municipal property around the clinic, and the protesters will have to go elsewhere to be douchebags.


How a about keeping a stiff upper lip until it all blows over? Let them protest all they want, but prepare to pounce if they do anything illegal.
 
2013-02-18 04:20:32 AM

jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Biological Ali: 
Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?

I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.

You don't give a fark what happens to that dinner roll once it's out of the oven.

Not even those cheese ones with the garlic butter from red Lobster?
That's a pretty rash statement.
I'll bet he cares passionately about dinner rolls.


Oh sure. But ask that hypocrite what he thinks of pumpernickel.
 
2013-02-18 04:21:10 AM

RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute.


You sound.....stupid...
 
2013-02-18 04:23:31 AM
They sure could use some AR15's to ensure this abortion clinic stays open a good long time.
 
2013-02-18 04:24:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Biological Ali: 
Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?

I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.

You don't give a fark what happens to that dinner roll once it's out of the oven.


I'm pro-dinner roll, except in cases of crepe.
 
2013-02-18 04:26:00 AM

RabidJade: //don't care either way


Now why don't I believe that...

RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute.


... Ah, that's why.
 
2013-02-18 04:27:02 AM

RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way
//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much


you're my favorite kind of poster. You walk in and condemn everyone(but one side just a little bit more than the other), claim that everyones arguments are all wrong yet give no specifics on what is wrong and why, but then state no of it matter because you don't even care in the first place but decided to post because....something. You're the internest version of the guy who knows nothing of the topic, yet feels the need to jump into the middle of the conversation he wasn't a part of.

congratulations donny.
 
2013-02-18 04:28:18 AM
He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.
 
2013-02-18 04:29:30 AM

log_jammin: RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way
//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much

you're my favorite kind of poster. You walk in and condemn everyone(but one side just a little bit more than the other), claim that everyones arguments are all wrong yet give no specifics on what is wrong and why, but then state no of it matter because you don't even care in the first place but decided to post because....something. You're the internest version of the guy who knows nothing of the topic, yet feels the need to jump into the middle of the conversation he wasn't a part of.

congratulations donny.


The important thing is that you get to feel superior to him.
 
2013-02-18 04:31:27 AM

super_grass: The important thing is that you get to feel superior to him.


and he gets to feel superior to everyone in the thread by saying absolutely nothing.
 
2013-02-18 04:34:03 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: /FTFY.
//But I'm sure it's just coincidence that he's never told a pro-Republican thread to "Stop being political and go back to Free Republic."
///He might have showed promise for a while, but now he's nothing but another tiresome threadshiatter.


You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?
 
2013-02-18 04:34:10 AM

log_jammin: super_grass: The important thing is that you get to feel superior to him.

and he gets to feel superior to everyone in the thread by saying absolutely nothing.


That puts you on top of the superiority hierarchy.

But be warned, I can proclaim my greatness over you and claim total moral superiority any minute now.
 
2013-02-18 04:35:19 AM

Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.


How about something about the size of the average Dillon's? Abortions performed over here, guns and ammo down this isle. And then we've got 'Ye Olde Tobacco Shoppee' a full line retail liquor store, and a 'Heart Attack Grill' just as you come in the door. Name of the one stop killing field? We Slay You!   and the little you
 
2013-02-18 04:37:09 AM

Bathysphere: How a about keeping a stiff upper lip until it all blows over? Let them protest all they want, but prepare to pounce if they do anything illegal.


Yeah, because the Dr in question saw how well it worked for Tiller to wait until the pro-lifers did something illegal. The "pounce" was a little slow that day.
 
2013-02-18 04:37:18 AM

super_grass: That puts you on top of the superiority hierarchy.

But be warned, I can proclaim my greatness over you and claim total moral superiority any minute now.


yes, I completely proclaimed my total moral superiority. that's it.
 
2013-02-18 04:39:48 AM

Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.


It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!
 
2013-02-18 04:40:54 AM
Im morally superior because I eat my fresh abortions with chili, cheese, and thinly sliced onion.  On a poppy seed roll.
 
2013-02-18 04:44:58 AM

Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!


Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.
I didn't RTFA because i DGAF
 
2013-02-18 04:48:44 AM

Green Scorpio: I didn't RTFA because i DGAF


DGAF? OMGWTFBBQ!
 
2013-02-18 04:51:31 AM

Green Scorpio: Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!

Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.
I didn't RTFA because i DGAF


You're a braver man than most... most of us get kinda upset when someone correctly points out that we sound stupid. You, on the other hand, DGAF. Well done.
 
2013-02-18 04:52:38 AM

Mikey1969: You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?


Oh, Cman. You can click on the usernames to follow the quotes back, you know.
 
2013-02-18 04:56:00 AM

jedikinkoid: Green Scorpio: Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!

Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.
I didn't RTFA because i DGAF

You're a braver man than most... most of us get kinda upset when someone correctly points out that we sound stupid. You, on the other hand, DGAF. Well done.


Well I figured if it was a colleague of a doctor, it must have been a man.
 
2013-02-18 04:58:34 AM
I would we should make Kansas bleed again, but my fellow Missourians are just as bad.
 
2013-02-18 05:08:52 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I would we should make Kansas bleed again, but my fellow Missourians are just as bad.


at least you guys have scenery.
 
2013-02-18 05:16:13 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm pro-dinner roll, except in cases of crepe.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-18 05:41:18 AM

ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.


Prepared how? You got another Dr in the wings waiting to jump in?
 
2013-02-18 05:56:36 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Oh, Cman. You can click on the usernames to follow the quotes back, you know.


No, I tried that, and it just stopped at the Weeners about him, but it didn't actually point to whomever they were referring to. I think it does that if the original post gets pulled...
 
2013-02-18 05:58:13 AM

Green Scorpio: Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!

Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.
I didn't RTFA because i DGAF


But you GAF enough to come in and post. What a weird hobby, posting messages in a board referring to a story that you DGAF about. Even porn addiction seems more productive. Hell, making a rubber-band ball makes more sense.
 
2013-02-18 05:59:58 AM

Green Scorpio: Well I figured if it was a colleague of a doctor, it must have been a man.


Yeah, because in the brave decade of the 1950's women wouldn't dare trying to be doctors. We all know that they can't do anything in the medical professions except nursing and handing shiat to the dentist.
 
2013-02-18 06:01:40 AM

RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way
//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much


Civil liberties accepted by the Founding Fathers are "cute"?

Learn some history,
 
2013-02-18 06:05:14 AM
Too late for a book recommendation? Cynthia Gorney's <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/ARTICLES-OF-FAITH-Frontline-Abortion/dp/B 000H2M5 18/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1361185295&sr=8-1 " target="_blank">"Articles of Faith: A Frontline History of the Abortion Wars." </A> I've read it maybe four times and I still have no clue how the author actually feels about the subject.
 
2013-02-18 06:06:58 AM
"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life,

And Al Qaeda and other Muslim terrorists, in reality, would like the entire West to either disappear or convert to Islam.  And they use similar means to achieve their goal.  And it works no more with them than it does how your boy Roeder did it.
 
2013-02-18 06:10:08 AM

RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way


Stop lying.
 
2013-02-18 06:12:45 AM
If religious people could think things out they wouldn't be religious.

Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:
1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)
2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage
3)  Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.

It is immoral to oppose abortion in a knee jerk manner. Actually, it's an asshole lifestyle to oppose abortion and not work to provide what you would find to be better options. But the better options might require work, and work is bad if you aren't getting paid. Well, maybe you farking Christians need to tithe a part of your LIFE to make things better (from your point of view).

/I'm all in favor of more abortions.
//All around the world.
///And free condoms everywhere.
 
2013-02-18 06:17:50 AM
Abortion is the responsible choice.
 
2013-02-18 06:21:47 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fetuses aren't life. Life begins at birth. It's magic.


No, life began 3.6 billion years ago. It just continues thanks to that hot, hot lovin'.
 
2013-02-18 06:22:02 AM
This is fine so long as the same shady business practices don't go in to effect with campaign contribution payoffs to insure they aren't investigated.
 
2013-02-18 06:24:55 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-18 06:30:24 AM

James F. Campbell: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

Man, you really are an evil farking asshole, aren't you?


No, he's simply a dimwit who can't troll using wit or intelligence so he goes down the only avenue available to him: being a threadshiatting coont.
 
2013-02-18 06:33:16 AM

The Envoy: James F. Campbell: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

Man, you really are an evil farking asshole, aren't you?

No, he's simply a dimwit who can't troll using wit or intelligence so he goes down the only avenue available to him: being a threadshiatting coont.


Yeah, well, that doesn't make him any better than someone who actually espouses the opinion he only pretends to claim. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Trolls are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.
 
2013-02-18 06:35:46 AM

James F. Campbell: Yeah, well, that doesn't make him any better than someone who actually espouses the opinion he only pretends to claim. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Trolls are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.


I completely agree, I just think that it's best to publicise his actual status in the hope that he gets ignored and bored of not being the centre of attention and tries something else instead.
 
2013-02-18 06:42:29 AM

DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.


Don't be a hateful ass. Gunning someone down isn't exactly pro-life.
 
2013-02-18 06:49:04 AM

ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.


Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans. There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.
 
2013-02-18 06:52:58 AM
Oh good, the nutbag-to-normal ratio in this town was running dangerously low....almost 5 to 1!
 
2013-02-18 06:55:18 AM

shotglasss: Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans.



define "real American"
 
2013-02-18 06:58:59 AM

log_jammin: define "real American"


www.fallonandrosof.com
 
2013-02-18 07:03:24 AM
Places like Germany, where abortion is not only legal, but 100 percent paid for by the government have 1/3 of the number of abortions per capita than we do.

1) Have realistic sex education
2) Have access to birth control
3) Treat everybody like they actually matter

It's amazing what happens

BTW: Places like Zimbabwe and the Phillipenes, where abortion is criminalized, actually have higher abortion rates than we do.
 
2013-02-18 07:06:46 AM

wildcardjack: If religious people could think things out they wouldn't be religious.

Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:
1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)
2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage
3)  Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.

It is immoral to oppose abortion in a knee jerk manner. Actually, it's an asshole lifestyle to oppose abortion and not work to provide what you would find to be better options. But the better options might require work, and work is bad if you aren't getting paid. Well, maybe you farking Christians need to tithe a part of your LIFE to make things better (from your point of view).

/I'm all in favor of more abortions.
//All around the world.
///And free condoms everywhere.


So much this. But any time I bring any of these points up, I'm met with the cries of "Socialism!" I have my own issues with abortion, but just because I don't plan on ever having one doesn't mean I need to go about shaming another human being who feels they need one. What was that quote, don't judge until you walk a mile, something something...

More contraceptives, more sex education, more resources.

/Christian
//Love the slashies.
 
2013-02-18 07:10:43 AM

ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]


There be a bannin' on the breeze this mornin'!
 
2013-02-18 07:12:12 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Mikey1969: You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?

Oh, Cman. You can click on the usernames to follow the quotes back, you know.


Huh?

I have only made one damn post in this thread
 
2013-02-18 07:37:54 AM
Those who are supposedly 'pro life' also tend to be the type that support the death penalty and also have a hard-on for war, Also, note most of them are MEN, who don't have a uterus anyway.

It's all about control of women's sexuality and zero to do with compassion for unborn.  Oh, and getting brownie points for the afterlife from their imaginary sky-wizard is in there, too.
 
2013-02-18 07:39:22 AM

jeaux65: wildcardjack: If religious people . . .
Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:
1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)
2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage
3)  Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.
 . . .


So much this. But any time I bring any of these points up, I'm met with the cries of "Socialism!" I have my own issues with abortion, but just because I don't plan on ever having one doesn't mean I need to go about shaming another human being who feels they need one. What was that quote, don't judge until you walk a mile, something something...

More contraceptives, more sex education, more resources.

/Christian
//Love the slashies.


Agreed.  I'm old enough to remember pre-Roe v.Wade, dammit.  And while the movie "Dirty Dancing" really sanitized it, back street abortions by butchers did occur.  Hell, they're probably still occurring in places not close to protected abortion clinics.

 
2013-02-18 07:41:18 AM
dforkus: Places like Germany, where abortion is not only legal, but 100 percent paid for by the government have 1/3 of the number of abortions per capita than we do.

1) Have realistic sex education
2) Have access to birth control
3) Treat everybody like they actually matter

It's amazing what happens

BTW: Places like Zimbabwe and the Phillipenes, where abortion is criminalized, actually have higher abortion rates than we do.


Same deal here in Canada. Completely covered under out healthcare system and we have a lower rate of abortion than the US. 47,000 women died from complications due to unsafe abortion globally in 2005 and many more became sterile of seriously ill. This is what the "Pro-Life" (aka forced birther) agenda leads to.

[donotwant]
 
2013-02-18 07:49:48 AM

shotglasss: There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-18 07:50:52 AM

Matthew Keene: ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]

There be a bannin' on the breeze this mornin'!


Hold on until I can put him on ignore.
 
2013-02-18 07:52:26 AM

davidphogan: ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

What the fark is wrong with your state?

I'm sorry but between the WBC and this shiat it's hard to not think of everyone in that state as a backwards hick.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-18 07:52:26 AM
I'm not a big fan of either side. Extremists are assholes.... but I'll throw this into the fire:

Anti-Abortion activist killed, shot multiple times in front of Owosso High School

i.imgur.com

Abortion is a complicated subject. I have no issue with having the option available, but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life. Sugar-coating something like that dehumanizes the primary victim and places a bias on the decision toward abortion. Let's also stop talking about a fetus as if it is some sort of body extension, since it isn't - it's a genetically differentiated form of life, dependent on the mother. As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murders, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death. Terminally ill deserve dignity. Some children deserve to be spared a terrible life. Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.Too many people on this planet as it is... and either way, we should make informed, rational decisions without the extremist nuts trying to make those decisions for us.
 
2013-02-18 07:53:19 AM

ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]


So, assuming this photo is real and not shooped, then someone paid someone else to take this picture so they could blow it up to poster size and flash it around.

In nearly any other context, the same chain of people who made this possible would condemn this form of behavior.

Hypocrisy is so entertaining.
 
2013-02-18 07:56:38 AM

Amos Quito: Abortion clinics are like Darwin's self-checkout lanes.

Leave them be.


Actually, that's not correct. Many abortions prolong the woman's life, enabling her to reproduce later and in a more effective way. They are like Darwin's evolutionary booster lanes.
 
2013-02-18 08:02:19 AM

ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]


Where's the proof that:
A) That's a real foetus
B) That foetus was aborted by a doctor and not miscarried
C) If B) then what the reason was for that abortion

Until you can answer those then kindly shut the fark up and piss off, adults are talking.
 
2013-02-18 08:04:11 AM
And this is why your tax rates are rising. You pro-abortion libtards have killed millions, upon millions, of tax payers in this country.
 
2013-02-18 08:05:40 AM

LesserEvil: but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life.


It's killing life, yes.  Then again, so does taking a shower, curing an ear infection and so on.  Why we don't care about the one when we do care about the other is a function of believing that one sort of life is inherently special while the other is not.  When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

Now, I- like you- don't think that abortion is something that should be taken lightly as an option (although it should be an option).  The problem is that, from there, it becomes a matter of drawing what not all will call "reasonable" lines or limitations.  It also runs the gamut of legislating things like personal responsibility- which nearly never works out well for any involved.

If you want to breed responsibility in people, you don't do it by way of legislation.  The process takes a good deal longer, begins far earlier, and requires the intimate involvement of adult role models- whether they be parents, adoptive parents, legal guardians, or whatever.
 
2013-02-18 08:19:33 AM
Good Luck to them. What do the women of Kansas do currently for ectopic pregnancies and life-threatening late term problems? Do they let them die like that woman in Ireland did recently?
 
2013-02-18 08:19:47 AM

LesserEvil: As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murderers, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death.


You forgot blasphemers.
 
2013-02-18 08:19:55 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: AverageAmericanGuy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Biological Ali: 
Look, I get that you guys are trying to troll this thread, but damn, at least aim for some minimum level of coherence. I mean, who's even going to bother trying to decipher this gibberish?

I'm just farking around. In all honesty I'm pro-dinner roll.

You don't give a fark what happens to that dinner roll once it's out of the oven.

I'm pro-dinner roll, except in cases of crepe.


LOL oh, thank you, you magnificent bastard.
 
2013-02-18 08:27:13 AM

wildcardjack: If religious people could think things out they wouldn't be religious.

Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:
1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)
2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage
3)  Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.

It is immoral to oppose abortion in a knee jerk manner. Actually, it's an asshole lifestyle to oppose abortion and not work to provide what you would find to be better options. But the better options might require work, and work is bad if you aren't getting paid. Well, maybe you farking Christians need to tithe a part of your LIFE to make things better (from your point of view).

/I'm all in favor of more abortions.
//All around the world.
///And free condoms everywhere.


You're totally right. I read something awhile ago from another Farker and the gist was that a woman will not carry a child if she doesn't want to.  Coat hanger, illegal practices, whatever.  If she is dead set against carrying, she won't.   It's better to have the appropriate care for those women to have safe procedures.
 
2013-02-18 08:29:45 AM

macadamnut: LesserEvil: As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murderers, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death.

You forgot blasphemers.


I realize some think we've elected a Muslim into office, but even if it were true, it still doesn't make us an Islamist country. Televangelists and cult leaders deserve to be on the death list before blasphemers.

There is simply no rational argument that anybody has a "right" not to be offended, but human beings should have an inherent "right" to express their beliefs without fear of punishment or  retribution, so long as it is believed to be truthful in good faith (i.e. not slanderous or libelous on purpose, not known to be untruthful and said to defame).

Our founding fathers knew the power of the freedom of speech, sad that even today, it is a struggle to keep that freedom alive, but it does show that such freedom has powerful enemies.
 
2013-02-18 08:33:21 AM
Just not enough killin' goin' on.  Killin' each other seems like the 'Merican way.  Or is murder a religious right?
Live sacrifice, sort of thing.
Savages.

Where the fark were these folks when Union Carbide was killing in wholesale lots?
Why don't they take on the tobacco companies?
Sort of picking and choosing their targets because doctors and pregnant women are easier to kill?
 
2013-02-18 08:39:59 AM

LesserEvil: I'm not a big fan of either side. Extremists are assholes.... but I'll throw this into the fire:

Anti-Abortion activist killed, shot multiple times in front of Owosso High School

[i.imgur.com image 453x289]

 Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.


... I'm confused, are you saying you want to return to a world where millions of lives lost to war?  That the end or significant decrease in such events was a bad thing?

/just finished reading accounts of the Battle of the Somme and the Brusilov Offensive from a happier time when we weren't all so hung up on valuing life so much
 
2013-02-18 08:42:18 AM

SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.


I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.
 
2013-02-18 08:43:45 AM

shotglasss: ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.

Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans. There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.




I've saved your post supporting domestic terror for future use. Thank you.
 
2013-02-18 08:44:12 AM
Anybody that grinds unborn babies into chunky stew certainly deserves a hero tag.
 
2013-02-18 08:46:47 AM
LOL as if human life has any value, just look at this place :D

why do racist christian bigots hate women's freedom?

vote democrat
 
2013-02-18 08:51:23 AM
Hero tag? so this guy managed to not eat his own poop?

FloydA: ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.

Yeah, pretty much that.

"Oh we don't want people to think that we allow globs of snot to die here!  We would much rather people think that we execute medical professionals.  That's a lot better!"


LOLZ THIS^ christians are so retarded

FloydA: Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.

No way.  At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.


LOLZ THIS^ their stupidity is contagious

abb3w: Vodka Zombie: Fark Kansas.
FloydA: No way. At this point, I'm not even willing to kiss it.

Nuke Kansas?


AMEN Brother! *brofisting*

death to all christians

Raharu: shotglasss: ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.

Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans. There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.

I've saved your post supporting domestic terror for future use. Thank you.


LULZ, I agree with anything these^^^ people say :D, FOR SCIENCE!

Intelligent Brigade in da howse *salute*
 
2013-02-18 09:00:47 AM

Mose: LesserEvil: I'm not a big fan of either side. Extremists are assholes.... but I'll throw this into the fire:

Anti-Abortion activist killed, shot multiple times in front of Owosso High School

[i.imgur.com image 453x289]

 Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.

... I'm confused, are you saying you want to return to a world where millions of lives lost to war?  That the end or significant decrease in such events was a bad thing?

/just finished reading accounts of the Battle of the Somme and the Brusilov Offensive from a happier time when we weren't all so hung up on valuing life so much


War is pretty brutal for those that must endure it. It would be great if we lived in a world with unending resources to support a rapidly increasing population, but the sad truth is, we can't. War is ugly, too for more than the cost in life... it wastes a lot of resources, and short term, puts an even larger strain on our planet's ability to support that population.

Having said that, I am a pragmatist. Wars have traditionally eased population pressures, as have famines, plagues... but mankind has been winning those battles, and I'm not entirely sure it is wise. It may happen that instead of whittling down our numbers as we bump the limitations of Earth to support us, we end up popping that limit like a bubble and everything crashes down.

Utopia won't happen for mankind until we get off this planet and start figuring out how to exploit the rest of our solar system and the stars beyond. Until then, "world peace"  may be the cure that is worse than the disease.
 
2013-02-18 09:06:27 AM

LesserEvil: Utopia won't happen for mankind until we get off this planet and start figuring out how to exploit the rest of our solar system and the stars beyond.


I would argue Utopia will never occur.  But as far as living with less pressure to brutalize one another, looking past our own ball of rock would be a great first step.
 
2013-02-18 09:07:13 AM

Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!

Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.
I didn't RTFA because i DGAF

But you GAF enough to come in and post. What a weird hobby, posting messages in a board referring to a story that you DGAF about. Even porn addiction seems more productive. Hell, making a rubber-band ball makes more sense.


Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: Well I figured if it was a colleague of a doctor, it must have been a man.

Yeah, because in the brave decade of the 1950's women wouldn't dare trying to be doctors. We all know that they can't do anything in the medical professions except nursing and handing shiat to the dentist.


goddam that was easy.
 
2013-02-18 09:07:32 AM

LesserEvil: I'm not a big fan of either side. Extremists are assholes.... but I'll throw this into the fire:

Anti-Abortion activist killed, shot multiple times in front of Owosso High School

[i.imgur.com image 453x289]

Abortion is a complicated subject. I have no issue with having the option available, but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life. Sugar-coating something like that dehumanizes the primary victim and places a bias on the decision toward abortion. Let's also stop talking about a fetus as if it is some sort of body extension, since it isn't - it's a genetically differentiated form of life, dependent on the mother. As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murders, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death. Terminally ill deserve dignity. Some children deserve to be spared a terrible life. Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.Too many people on this planet as it is... and either way, we should make informed, rational decisions without the extremist nuts trying to make those decisions for us.


So let's see, a clear culture of violence and threats used to achieve political gains over multiple decades verses an isolated incident where the article doesn't even make it clear that the crime happened because of the person's abortion stance.  You're right dude, TOTALLY THE SAME.

Anyway, true conservatives know the body doesn't have a soul until it takes it's first breath.  Hell, you shouldn't even bother to give the thing a name until it's lived past a week.  You fancy progressives and your Greco-Judaic ideas.  By Odin, it gives me a headache just to think about it.
 
2013-02-18 09:09:53 AM
Are you insane????!
 
2013-02-18 09:10:42 AM
Well this got disgusting in a hurry.
 
2013-02-18 09:14:54 AM
Superfreak Economics had a how chapter about the benefits of legal abortion to society. Number one was a marked decrease in crime. Basically showed how 17 years after Roe vs Wade crime fell and keeps falling. Seventeen being the start of the "prime criminal " years. Plus they explained that with less poor children born everyone's life improved. But nobody can talk of abortion benefits
 
2013-02-18 09:17:18 AM

super_grass: Good.

Abortion is the closest thing to natural selection/eugenics that is still tolerated and I'll be damned if the fundies take the last filter out of the pool.


Why do you think Planned Parenthood was started in the first place?
 
2013-02-18 09:21:48 AM
Abortion is cool.

I think that every pregnant woman ought to be forced to have an abortion for the next...oh...five years in order to slow the growth of the human population.

Wouldn't that be awesome? No one born for five straight years?
 
2013-02-18 09:23:46 AM

I drunk what: Hero tag? so this guy managed to not eat his own poop?


...
 LOLZ THIS^ christians are so retarded

...


LOLZ THIS^ their stupidity is contagious


...

Nuke Kansas?

AMEN Brother! *brofisting*

death to all christians

...

LULZ, I agree with anything these^^^ people say :D, FOR SCIENCE!

Intelligent Brigade in da howse *salute*


Wow, you're so clever! You've completely convinced everyone that you're actually on the pro-choice side, myself included, and that the pro-choice side is as repulsively stupid as you're acting!

Someone get this man an Oscar! Bravo, bravo!
 
2013-02-18 09:25:37 AM

jedikinkoid: You've completely convinced everyone that you're actually on the pro-choice side


IDW takes no sides.  IDW likes to talk about himself in the third person.
 
2013-02-18 09:27:48 AM
LesserEvil:  Until then, "world peace"  may be the cure that is worse than the disease.

And I may be having sex with Candice Swanepowel tonight.
 
2013-02-18 09:28:46 AM
While I am pro-choice - I'm glad my mom didn't have to go to some cave-like clinic in the middle of Kansas to have my skull cracked open, brain scrambled and then dissect my body to remove me from her fetus because she felt - it wasn't time yet. Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.
 
2013-02-18 09:32:51 AM

Realist29: Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

Still trying to figure out where people are getting the idea that a 14-week-old fetus has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving outside the womb...
 
2013-02-18 09:34:59 AM

SkunkWerks: Realist29: Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

Still trying to figure out where people are getting the idea that a 14-week-old fetus has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving outside the womb...


It suits their narrative.
 
2013-02-18 09:50:03 AM

Realist29: While I am pro-choice - I'm glad my mom didn't have to go to some cave-like clinic in the middle of Kansas to have my skull cracked open, brain scrambled and then dissect my body to remove me from her fetus because she felt - it wasn't time yet. Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.


I remember hearing a story from one of Tiller's patients: her fetus was in its third term and discovered to be horribly deformed. It suffered some bizarre genetic defect that would've meant it would be born, live in agonizing pain for about a day, and then die. So she did the merciful thing.

If it's not threatening to the mother's life, that doesn't mean it's frivolous.
 
2013-02-18 09:52:32 AM

Raharu: It suits their narrative.


Might be a bit disingenuous.  The person I quoted claimed to be pro-choice.  But it's the second time I've read something like this in this thread- that C_section is always a viable alternative to late-term abortion.

I was pretty sure this wasn't the case even before I looked up that information.  I think it's just ignorance.
 
2013-02-18 09:56:07 AM
Absolutely disgusting.  These people are killing babies that can survive outside of the womb.  Why don't they just deliver them and put them up for adoption instead of murdering them.
 
2013-02-18 09:58:37 AM

lordaction: These people are killing babies that can survive outside of the womb.


Hi.  14-week old fetuses tend to die outside the womb.  And by "tend to", I mean "always".

In fact, when you actually get to the "snowball's chance in hell" area of chance of extra-uterine survival, it's over a month later.

Your proposition is deformed.  Kindly abort it.
 
2013-02-18 10:03:01 AM

Wayne 985: It suffered some bizarre genetic defect


Here is one of the problems with abortions. We are depriving Barnum & Bailey of the next generation of circus freaks.
 
2013-02-18 10:10:30 AM

SkunkWerks: lordaction: These people are killing babies that can survive outside of the womb.

Hi.  14-week old fetuses tend to die outside the womb.  And by "tend to", I mean "always".

In fact, when you actually get to the "snowball's chance in hell" area of chance of extra-uterine survival, it's over a month later.

Your proposition is deformed.  Kindly abort it.


I don't know where you are getting 14 weeks old as 3rd trimester.
 
2013-02-18 10:18:30 AM

Realist29: While I am pro-choice - I'm glad my mom didn't have to go to some cave-like clinic in the middle of Kansas to have my skull cracked open, brain scrambled and then dissect my body to remove me from her fetus because she felt - it wasn't time yet. Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.


If you're pro-choice, I'm a nine-legged spider with three kinky supermodel girlfriends.
 
2013-02-18 10:21:12 AM

lordaction: SkunkWerks: lordaction: These people are killing babies that can survive outside of the womb.

Hi.  14-week old fetuses tend to die outside the womb.  And by "tend to", I mean "always".

In fact, when you actually get to the "snowball's chance in hell" area of chance of extra-uterine survival, it's over a month later.

Your proposition is deformed.  Kindly abort it.

I don't know where you are getting 14 weeks old as 3rd trimester.


The damn article.
 
2013-02-18 10:30:27 AM

zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?


No.  Abortions are legal up until the moment of birth in the U.S., as long as some doctor is willing to do it.  A doctor will always be able to find a reason to justify any abortion they want to perform---for the mother's "mental health," for instance.
 
2013-02-18 10:49:27 AM

Mikey1969: "...setting the stage for a re-emergence of the fiery passions that once made this conservative manufacturing town the center of the abortion battle in the United States."

I always wondered where they came from. How badly did the recession harm the conservative manufacturing sector?


I think mostly they're just manufacturing fewer conservatives.
 
2013-02-18 11:39:46 AM

cs30109: zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?

No.  Abortions are legal up until the moment of birth in the U.S., as long as some doctor is willing to do it.  A doctor will always be able to find a reason to justify any abortion they want to perform---for the mother's "mental health," for instance.


Exactly, because doctors just love killing them some babies for any reason they can pull out of their arse. Because they're Evil, you know.
 
2013-02-18 11:45:26 AM
KIll, the babies, kill, kill ....
 
2013-02-18 11:50:33 AM
School shootings/Gun Control: OH THE HORROR WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Killing unborn babies: HERO TAG?!?!? fark the children i guess right?
 
2013-02-18 12:02:30 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Superfreak Economics had a how chapter about the benefits of legal abortion to society. Number one was a marked decrease in crime. Basically showed how 17 years after Roe vs Wade crime fell and keeps falling. Seventeen being the start of the "prime criminal " years. Plus they explained that with less poor children born everyone's life improved. But nobody can talk of abortion benefits


Something like this is hard to gauge on its effects upon society.

There were also other changes in this time that had an effect on crime, such as locking people up for even more pettier crimes for much longer than usual. There was also an uptick in technology leading for more crimes than ever to be solved, getting murders and rapists of the street. A greater understanding of mental health has allowed for better screening of mental illnesses.

I am not saying that abortion hasnt had any effect (affect?) on crime, but there are many variables that make this kind of thing difficult to trace.
 
2013-02-18 12:03:46 PM
This guy is toast. There is nothing the self-annnointed, true decsiples of Christ do better than killing people who they don't approve of.
 
2013-02-18 12:23:01 PM

SkunkWerks: LesserEvil: but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life.

It's killing life, yes.  Then again, so does taking a shower, curing an ear infection and so on.  Why we don't care about the one when we do care about the other is a function of believing that one sort of life is inherently special while the other is not.  When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

Now, I- like you- don't think that abortion is something that should be taken lightly as an option (although it should be an option).  The problem is that, from there, it becomes a matter of drawing what not all will call "reasonable" lines or limitations.  It also runs the gamut of legislating things like personal responsibility- which nearly never works out well for any involved.

If you want to breed responsibility in people, you don't do it by way of legislation.  The process takes a good deal longer, begins far earlier, and requires the intimate involvement of adult role models- whether they be parents, adoptive parents, legal guardians, or whatever.


It is amazing and awe inspiring to have two intelligent, well-worded 'arguements' in this thread. I agree to a certain extent with you both.... However, on the matter of drawing what not all will call 'reasonable' lines or limitations-- One must draw these lines with humans.  Otherwise, if this 'life' growing inside another human is not 'special' then it stands to reason that a 'life' growing outside another human is equally not 'special'. I think your logic is flawed.
 
2013-02-18 12:31:18 PM
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1n0zDngPI" target="_blank">This freaked me out.  Soldiers in the Army of God.</a>
 
2013-02-18 12:32:56 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.


Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!
 
2013-02-18 12:43:55 PM
Biblically abortion at best is property damage to the HUSBAND.

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=KJV
 
2013-02-18 01:11:44 PM

purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!


I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.
 
2013-02-18 01:13:24 PM
If only all these people opposed would get together and open up a place for girls/women to stay in and have their babbies for free, then give them up for adoption. And maybe instead of violence and constant harassment, focus on education, and heaven forbid the choice we all have as humans. That would be cool to see a building nearby with a big sign that said "don't abort, come here and give your baby a life and new home". Then have a picture of a happy family with a new babby.
 
2013-02-18 01:19:00 PM

Johnnyflash: If only all these people opposed would get together and open up a place for girls/women to stay in and have their babbies for free, then give them up for adoption. And maybe instead of violence and constant harassment, focus on education, and heaven forbid the choice we all have as humans. That would be cool to see a building nearby with a big sign that said "don't abort, come here and give your baby a life and new home". Then have a picture of a happy family with a new babby.


Oh, sort of like this organization but without the unicorns
http://www.agapepregnancycenter.com/
 
2013-02-18 01:25:13 PM

FloydA: purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!

I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.


Golly, ya think? But my point was more in answer to what Sudo said about the breath of life and someone's radical interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps you/(s)he believe that 'all the days ordained' for the aforementioned zygote are only for those select zygotes who make it out safely? I'm just saying of you are going to argue BIBLE you should know all the stuff that's in there.
 
2013-02-18 01:28:09 PM

Joe Blowme: Johnnyflash: If only all these people opposed would get together and open up a place for girls/women to stay in and have their babbies for free, then give them up for adoption. And maybe instead of violence and constant harassment, focus on education, and heaven forbid the choice we all have as humans. That would be cool to see a building nearby with a big sign that said "don't abort, come here and give your baby a life and new home". Then have a picture of a happy family with a new babby.

Oh, sort of like this organization but without the unicorns
http://www.agapepregnancycenter.com/

Or one like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn
 
2013-02-18 01:29:11 PM

elffster: Im morally superior because I eat my fresh abortions with chili, cheese, and thinly sliced onion.  On a poppy seed roll.


FLOWER MURDERER!
 
2013-02-18 01:34:06 PM

purplegiraffe: FloydA: purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!

I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.

Golly, ya think? But my point was more in answer to what Sudo said about the breath of life and someone's radical interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps you/(s)he believe that 'all the days ordained' for the aforementioned zygote are only for those select zygotes who make it out safely? I'm just saying of you are going to argue BIBLE you should know all the stuff that's in there.



Your quote does not make the point that you think it makes.  The quote does not suggest that the "unformed body" is alive; you are bringing that interpretation to the quote, rather than deriving it from the quote.  Nothing in the quote suggests that the "ordained days" start before parturition.

Now if you already believe that life starts at some time prior to the first breath, there are certainly passages in the Bible that you can use to justify that belief, but the belief itself exists a priori.  It is not, itself, derived from reading the Bible.
 
2013-02-18 01:38:55 PM

Matthew Keene: ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]

There be a bannin' on the breeze this mornin'!


perm banning? blocking her IP address for all eternity?
 
2013-02-18 01:52:41 PM

cs30109: zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?

No.   Abortions are legal up until the moment of birth in the U.S., as long as some doctor is willing to do it.  A doctor will always be able to find a reason to justify any abortion they want to perform---for the mother's "mental health," for instance.


except that is a complete and total lie and you are either ignorant, a troll or both.

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion. Decided simultaneously with a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the Court ruled 7-2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the trimester of pregnancy.

The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]

The definition of viability continues to be moved earlier and earlier in the pregnancy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/US_abortion_by_ges t ational_age_2004_histogram.svg

the great majority of abortions are before 12 weeks. a much smaller percentage happen before the end of 20 weeks. a tiny number happen later than that. (~1.5%)

so no, abortions are not legal up to the moment of birth. Abortions that late are only allowed in a small number of extreme case. Dying mother, extreme mutations, never because the mom changed her mind.

but go ahead and continue being an ignorant troll
 
2013-02-18 01:59:59 PM
...what about recreational abortion? Is that still cool? I'm asking...ya know...for a friend.
 
2013-02-18 02:08:17 PM
DemonEater:

"I'm kind of amused (in a sickened way) that the protestors are trying to get the clinic rezoned out of existence by arguing that it will create a public nuisance because of the loud protests they'll be staging outside.

"If you let this happen we'll be loud and annoying outside it, so you shouldn't get it happen so we don't bother people"


"Nice place you have here. Be a shame if something happened to it."

Well, there *is* a reason the Mafia uses shakedown tactics like that (they work.) I guess it also applies here.
 
2013-02-18 02:23:37 PM

Mikey1969: Mr. Gittrich told the City Council that the clinic would create a nuisance for the neighborhood because of the protests it would attract. The planning commission is scheduled to meet this month to consider Mr. Gittrich's request to rezone the area to prohibit the clinic from opening.

Or, you could meet this month to consider NOT ALLOWING THE PROTESTS. It's easy--limit the amount of municipal property around the clinic, since legally they can't protest on the clinic's property, and if they choose to protest on someone else's property, the police can remove them as well. Have NO municipal property around the clinic, and the protesters will have to go elsewhere to be douchebags.


In reality, they're going to need a full security team. Armed guards, evacuation plans...the whole nine yards. Because apparently here in America, we value the law of the land and the rights of women so little that we're willing to kill doctors over it, and probably patients.

/If I had money, I would donate for that security team
//I hope someone with money does
 
2013-02-18 02:37:23 PM
SilentStrider:

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Well, except for the last guy.  He ought to be able to avoid having his one good eye gouged out, since everyone else is blind.

So, the winning strategy is to go last.
 
2013-02-18 02:41:32 PM

FloydA: purplegiraffe: FloydA: purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!

I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.

Golly, ya think? But my point was more in answer to what Sudo said about the breath of life and someone's radical interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps you/(s)he believe that 'all the days ordained' for the aforementioned zygote are only for those select zygotes who make it out safely? I'm just saying of you are going to argue BIBLE you should know all the stuff that's in there.


Your quote does not make the point that you think it makes.  The quote does not suggest that the "unformed body" is alive; you are bringing that interpretation to the quote, rather than deriving it from the quote.  Nothing in the quote suggests that the "ordained days" start before parturition.

Now if you already believe that life starts at some time prior to the first breath, there are certainly passages in the Bible that you can use ...


Well, I reckon you have a point there...  Many would disagree with your point, but I see where you are going with this.  Most fundamentalists would wonder why an All Powerful Diety would bother with ordaining the days on an unformed mass of tissue if it is not alive.  But I can also see where (S)He would be performing redundant work in ordaining the days of a 'spontaneous abortion' -  a still birth or perhaps those that 'die out' before the mother even knows she is pregnant... And if God is omniscient, one could safely assume that he would know the fertilized egg would end up aborted, wouldn't he?  It is definitely food for thought... (having 'escaped' from  a fundamentalist background, I can say that there are absolutely some preconceived ideas and beliefes I don't even know I have)
 
2013-02-18 02:41:50 PM

lordaction: I don't know where you are getting 14 weeks


Possibly that those were the time-frames of the "late term abortions" being described in this conversation.  But don't get hung up on details or anything like that...
 
2013-02-18 02:48:34 PM

purplegiraffe: However, on the matter of drawing what not all will call 'reasonable' lines or limitations-- One must draw these lines with humans. Otherwise, if this 'life' growing inside another human is not 'special' then it stands to reason that a 'life' growing outside another human is equally not 'special'. I think your logic is flawed.


If you're suggesting that lines must be drawn nonetheless, I don't think we disagree on that point, really.

What I am suggesting is that- stringent restrictions require equally stringent reasoning.  And this is absent in most arguments coming from the pro-life side of the fence.

They may try to clothe or disguise the mysticism in more "humanist" terms these days, but most of their reasoning boils down to "because God".  This comes as little surprise to me.  I think a modern society has a duty to demand more- even from the religious.
 
2013-02-18 02:50:18 PM
Look, I'm a Christian, in that I follow that actual teachings of Yeshua.
Abortion, on a personal level, is wrong to my wife and I.
Should we be allowed to force our opinions on a suffering pregnant woman?
The fact of the matter is that Yeshua commanded us to be compassionate to all.
People who shame mothers going through a difficult time are violating their Christian ethos.
Obviously when you act out of hate, anger, and fear, you are not acting on behalf of Christ.
Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.
Though it usually gets called Christianity.
 
2013-02-18 02:51:45 PM
I've always thought it was ironic that the biggest supporters of abortion are also the biggest supporters of gun control.

/ just sayin'
 
2013-02-18 03:01:15 PM

iheartscotch: I've always thought it was ironic that the biggest supporters of abortion are also the biggest supporters of gun control.


I've always thought it was ironic that the biggest opponents of abortion are also the biggest opponents of welfare.

And by "ironic" I of course mean that I too just pulled that out of my hinder.

/just sayin' times two.
 
2013-02-18 03:22:41 PM

SkunkWerks: iheartscotch: I've always thought it was ironic that the biggest supporters of abortion are also the biggest supporters of gun control.

I've always thought it was ironic that the biggest opponents of abortion are also the biggest opponents of welfare.

And by "ironic" I of course mean that I too just pulled that out of my hinder.

/just sayin' times two.


I actually agree; it is ironic that a lot of people who are anti-welfare are also anti-abortion.

But, broad generalizations are broad. Around here; it seems drawn along party lines.

But, you'd think people that are obviously for personal freedom would be supportive of all forms of personal freedom; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

/ personally; I feel it's not anybody's business what a young lady does with her body; within the confines of the law.
 
2013-02-18 03:29:41 PM

iheartscotch: But, you'd think people that are obviously for personal freedom would be supportive of all forms of personal freedom; not just the ones that they, personally, like.


Likewise.

Difficult to have personal responsibility without the ability to choose, eh?  And from what the tagline tells us, the Right side of the fence is all about personal responsibility...

I don't know what the right answer is of course, but yeah, times are strange...
 
2013-02-18 03:39:32 PM

SkunkWerks: iheartscotch: But, you'd think people that are obviously for personal freedom would be supportive of all forms of personal freedom; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

Likewise.

Difficult to have personal responsibility without the ability to choose, eh?  And from what the tagline tells us, the Right side of the fence is all about personal responsibility...

I don't know what the right answer is of course, but yeah, times are strange...


Exactly! The right to choose for yourself is what, I think, makes America great.

Without that right to choose; can there be a right or a wrong? Does forcing people to make specific choices; regardless of their opinions, even if that choice seems morally superior to the other option; actually seem like a desirable situation to anyone?

/ I don't know what's right or wrong; but, I do know that taking away the right to choose for yourself will lead us to very bad places.
 
2013-02-18 05:05:19 PM

PsiChick: In reality, they're going to need a full security team. Armed guards, evacuation plans...the whole nine yards. Because apparently here in America, we value the law of the land and the rights of women so little that we're willing to kill doctors over it, and probably patients.


If it saves just one unborn fetus, killing a dozen people in an abortion-clinic bombing is worth it.

/Oh, and two or three fetuses that were saved from abortion, but sadly died with the mother in the blast.
 
2013-02-18 05:07:36 PM

IlGreven: PsiChick: In reality, they're going to need a full security team. Armed guards, evacuation plans...the whole nine yards. Because apparently here in America, we value the law of the land and the rights of women so little that we're willing to kill doctors over it, and probably patients.

If it saves just one unborn fetus, killing a dozen people in an abortion-clinic bombing is worth it.

/Oh, and two or three fetuses that were saved from abortion, but sadly died with the mother in the blast.


I wish I could take those people back in time and force them to sit at the bedside of a woman dying because she can't have an abortion. Or, hell, take them to someplace where that's probably happening today.
 
2013-02-18 06:15:51 PM
For the past 20 years in America:

Abortionists murdered - 9
Killed by Postmen - 22
Killed playing youth league baseball - 72
Killed by Lightning - 821

Please find a better strawman.
 
2013-02-18 06:30:34 PM

Lsherm: zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?

Depends on the state.


Incorrect:  Third trimester abortion (or in fact any abortions past what is considered the point of viability, usually considered around 24 weeks) is only allowed nationally in cases where the mother's life or health are considered to be in danger, and even then is functionally only legal in Kansas and Nebraska at present.  (The general cut-off point for elective abortion legally is at the point of viability, which was firmly established in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.)

In fact, a number of states have provisions in place that could theoretically ban almost all abortions other than early first-trimester abortions with no life-or-health exemption (using the same law in place that banned D&X abortion--and the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the law--to call for banning any abortion at the beginning of neural development and afterward)

In addition, there are certain abortion procedures banned outright on a federal basis, specifically dilation and extraction (D&X), which was typically done in the case of late-trimester fetuses with severe birth defects (that made them nonviable) and which could not normally be delivered vaginally.  (As amazing as it sounds, most third-trimester abortions of the sort that Dr. Tiller performed before he was struck down by a dominionist terrorist group would be stillbirths or would die very early in life, and the very few physicians (in fact, there are only one or two left in the whole of North America) who perform third-trimester abortions do try to deliver an intact (if stillborn) fetus so that the parents can say goodbye.  Almost to a one, late-trimester abortion is not an elective "I don't want babby" procedure but a heartbreaking choice made to end a pregnancy that has gone tragically wrong.  Yes, this is even true in the extraordinarily rare cases where a very young teenager has had to have a Weeners-trimester abortion due to restrictive laws in her state--generally this is only permitted where there's evidence that the pregnancy will either kill the teen or leave her with a permanent disability--including the inability to have future children.)

And to the new doctor--GOOD ON HER FOR NOT LETTING THE GODDAMN TERRORISTS WIN.

/seriously, WHEN can we have the Army of God officially designated a domestic terrorist group and the NARasite churches protecting the terrorists and acting as their recruitment grounds officially listed as supporters of terrorism and have their assets seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act?
//Not kidding, either; this is EXACTLY what the US government does with ANY org that has been linked to funding designated terrorist groups like Al Qaeda--seize and freeze their assets in the US
///Also not kidding at all on the fact that NARasite leaders have actively solicited support for the Army of God domestic terrorist organisation and can be said to have actively solicited "martyrs" for the Army of God
 
2013-02-18 06:34:58 PM

rynthetyn: That Troy Newman fellow who's using the "Operation Rescue" name, and who's quoted in the article is quite the character. He's got ties to the Army of God domestic terrorist group, and his version of Operation Rescue broke away from the original organization because they disagreed with the original group condemning the use of force. Oh yeah, and he had at least a certain level of association with Scott Roeder, which you'd think the NY Times would have mentioned what with this being a story about reopening Tiller's clinic and all.


You'd THINK they'd pick that up, but unfortunately journalism in the mainstream press in the US has been dead, buried, and a pissed-thoroughly-on corpse since the mid-80s.

(And yes, I STILL think the Army of God needs to be formally declared a terrorist group and EVERY dominionist associated with it or who knowingly gives aid and comfort needs to be listed as a Specially Designated Person...just like we do with Al Qaeda, and just like how we do with narcoterrorist gangs.  And then seize their goddamn blood money.)
 
2013-02-18 08:19:12 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Realist29: While I am pro-choice - I'm glad my mom didn't have to go to some cave-like clinic in the middle of Kansas to have my skull cracked open, brain scrambled and then dissect my body to remove me from her fetus because she felt - it wasn't time yet. Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.

If you're pro-choice, I'm a nine-legged spider with three kinky supermodel girlfriends.


My GOD!  What do you DO with that ninth leg?!
 
2013-02-18 08:24:06 PM

cs30109: zedster: Aren't late term abortions only legal in cases were the mother's life is in danger in the US?

No.  Abortions are legal up until the moment of birth in the U.S., as long as some doctor is willing to do it.  A doctor will always be able to find a reason to justify any abortion they want to perform---for the mother's "mental health," for instance.


For those keeping score, this is not the first time cs30109 has been, shall we say, creative with the facts.  This is the third thread I've personally caught him posting a statement that could be easily disproven with a quick Google search.

He's a very, ah, creative person, and you might want to keep that in mind going forward.
 
2013-02-18 08:29:13 PM

purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!



Fair enough.

Find me a zygote  woven together in the depths of the earth, then, and I'll promise not to abort it.
 
2013-02-18 09:01:34 PM

FloydA: purplegiraffe: FloydA: purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!

I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.

Golly, ya think? But my point was more in answer to what Sudo said about the breath of life and someone's radical interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps you/(s)he believe that 'all the days ordained' for the aforementioned zygote are only for those select zygotes who make it out safely? I'm just saying of you are going to argue BIBLE you should know all the stuff that's in there.


Your quote does not make the point that you think it makes.  The quote does not suggest that the "unformed body" is alive; you are bringing that interpretation to the quote, rather than deriving it from the quote.  Nothing in the quote suggests that the "ordained days" start before parturition.

Now if you already believe that life starts at some time prior to the first breath, there are certainly passages in the Bible that you can use ...


People can always, ALWAYS find some verse in the Bible that seems to support ANY point of view they like.
 
2013-02-18 10:20:23 PM

cman: Mid_mo_mad_man: Superfreak Economics had a how chapter about the benefits of legal abortion to society. Number one was a marked decrease in crime. Basically showed how 17 years after Roe vs Wade crime fell and keeps falling. Seventeen being the start of the "prime criminal " years. Plus they explained that with less poor children born everyone's life improved. But nobody can talk of abortion benefits

Something like this is hard to gauge on its effects upon society.

There were also other changes in this time that had an effect on crime, such as locking people up for even more pettier crimes for much longer than usual. There was also an uptick in technology leading for more crimes than ever to be solved, getting murders and rapists of the street. A greater understanding of mental health has allowed for better screening of mental illnesses.

I am not saying that abortion hasnt had any effect (affect?) on crime, but there are many variables that make this kind of thing difficult to trace.




You make a valid point. I see it as what kind of people are being aborted or having abortions. This children would grow up unwanted , poor, and disadvantaged. Prime criminal candidates.
 
2013-02-19 12:10:04 AM

propasaurus: dickfreckle: propasaurus: ...and he'll make sure to go into every Politics tab thread to say so.

I've read many of his posts, and while I might not agree I can clearly see that he's not an asshole.

Dude, seriously.

Seriously. He's not a troll, we disagree sometimes, we agree from time to time. He's just on this 'take it to Kos' kick lately.


"He's not a troll, he's just really into trolling lately"

Dude, he's a troll.  And not one of the more clever ones.
 
2013-02-19 12:11:38 AM

Biological Ali: DrPainMD: Hopefully, he'll meet the same fate.

I wonder... is "Don't post hate speech" an actual rule here, or just a polite suggestion? I guess I'll find out in the morning, depending on whether this post is still around.


It would appear that I was correct. shocking huh?
 
2013-02-19 12:12:18 AM

mikaloyd: Death to all fetusses!


Can we start with you?
 
2013-02-19 12:19:42 AM

shotglasss: ThunderPelvis: "In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.

Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans. There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.


Then go back to real Americans, leave the United States to those of us who value women.
 
2013-02-19 12:21:41 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Those who are supposedly 'pro life' also tend to be the type that support the death penalty and also have a hard-on for war, Also, note most of them are MEN, who don't have a uterus anyway.

It's all about control of women's sexuality and zero to do with compassion for unborn.  Oh, and getting brownie points for the afterlife from their imaginary sky-wizard is in there, too.


And those pro-lifers who are women have either already had (safe and legal) abortions of their own that they've become convinced they regret or they have zero idea of what is actually going on with their own biology (i.e. fetus is the largest organ).
 
2013-02-19 12:23:34 AM

LesserEvil: I'm not a big fan of either side. Extremists are assholes.... but I'll throw this into the fire:

Anti-Abortion activist killed, shot multiple times in front of Owosso High School

[i.imgur.com image 453x289]

Abortion is a complicated subject. I have no issue with having the option available, but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life. Sugar-coating something like that dehumanizes the primary victim and places a bias on the decision toward abortion. Let's also stop talking about a fetus as if it is some sort of body extension, since it isn't - it's a genetically differentiated form of life, dependent on the mother. As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murders, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death. Terminally ill deserve dignity. Some children deserve to be spared a terrible life. Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.Too many people on this planet as it is... and either way, we should make informed, rational decisions without the extremist nuts trying to make those decisions for us.


I'm sorry you don't like the terminology, but any fetus that dares attempt to grow inside of me is a tumor and will be treated as such.
 
2013-02-19 12:28:12 AM

Realist29: While I am pro-choice - I'm glad my mom didn't have to go to some cave-like clinic in the middle of Kansas to have my skull cracked open, brain scrambled and then dissect my body to remove me from her fetus because she felt - it wasn't time yet. Late term abortions were provided for such cases in Wichita - more so than for "life threatening" cases to the mother which - by law - can be performed in any hospital. Its called a c-section.


If I don't want to have a child, and I wind up pregnant with one that I somehow don't find out about until eight months in, I'm still having the damn thing aborted.
 
2013-02-19 12:30:08 AM

Joe Blowme: School shootings/Gun Control: OH THE HORROR WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN

Killing unborn babies: HERO TAG?!?!? fark the children i guess right?


Protip: there are no children killed during abortions.
 
2013-02-19 12:33:10 AM

Johnnyflash: If only all these people opposed would get together and open up a place for girls/women to stay in and have their babbies for free, then give them up for adoption. And maybe instead of violence and constant harassment, focus on education, and heaven forbid the choice we all have as humans. That would be cool to see a building nearby with a big sign that said "don't abort, come here and give your baby a life and new home". Then have a picture of a happy family with a new babby.


I got into an argument with a cousin of mine about this a while ago.  Her stance was that she and her friends really do plan on adopting older and special-needs children, sometime in the future.  In her case, after her husband has retired and when she's finished squirting out her own (they're on #2 right now).

Oh, and even if their happy fantasy were the case for all adopted children, I would still abort my potential pregnancies, because I just plain don't want to deal with any of that shiat.
 
2013-02-19 12:34:48 AM

purplegiraffe: FloydA: purplegiraffe: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SkunkWerks: When people say "killing a life", honestly what they're talking about is "killing a soul", and really, unless you're the sort of person that believes in such things, this is well out of bounds.

I don't even get how Christians arrived at the point where they consider fetuses to have a soul. The Bible is pretty clear that your soul enters you through the breath of life. Until you start breathing, you're just dust. Even under the most radical interpretation of the Bible, a zygote isn't a person.

Umm..... Have you read the thing?   "I praise you beause I am ferafully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.  My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.  When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, yoru eyes saw my unformed body.  All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." I believe an unformed body is a pretty good definition for a zygote!

I'm having a hard time thinking of my mom's "secret place" as "the depths of the earth."
It could be that we're dealing with a metaphor here.

Golly, ya think? But my point was more in answer to what Sudo said about the breath of life and someone's radical interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps you/(s)he believe that 'all the days ordained' for the aforementioned zygote are only for those select zygotes who make it out safely? I'm just saying of you are going to argue BIBLE you should know all the stuff that's in there.


Being able to see something does not inherently make it alive.  I can look outside and see rocks.  That does not mean that rocks are living beings.
 
2013-02-19 12:37:00 AM

radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.


You have no idea what Satanism actually is.
 
2013-02-19 12:40:25 AM
"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director for Kansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

No, they'd rather be known as the community where anyone who is unbeliever of their little inbred whites-only death cult is killed, instead.

www.rainfallsite.com
 
2013-02-19 01:02:36 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.

You have no idea what Satanism actually is.


Ooh, spooky- do tell.
 
2013-02-19 09:44:53 AM

radarlove: The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.

You have no idea what Satanism actually is.

Ooh, spooky- do tell.


Satanism = Q
 
2013-02-19 11:05:55 AM

jedikinkoid: Wow, you're so clever! You've completely convinced everyone that you're actually on the pro-choice side, myself included, and that the pro-choice side is as repulsively stupid as you're acting!

Someone get this man an Oscar! Bravo, bravo!


sorry i couldn't respond sooner, i got a 24-hr TIMEOUT because the modmins said that posting pics of our Hero's handiwork is considered "Graphic image content" and  would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable. which is a bit confusing since they are the same modmins that greenlighted a thread heralding these people as HEROs  :\

so apparently we are supposed to worship and praise these people but not actually review the fruit of their labor (because THAT would make some people uncomfortable)

now i'm extra confused, cause if we aren't allowed to post images of scrambled eggs, dead parasites, etc..

then how come other people can post that stuff and not get timeouts?!?

can anyone help me out here? what is a farker to do?

i guess we are only allowed to just post "i'm ok you're ok" and pics of how stupid christians are? i guess that is the actual intent of the posting rules...

sounds good to me :D
 
2013-02-19 11:14:17 AM

Matthew Keene: ck1938: My Hero!!!

[www.priestsforlife.org image 396x288]

There be a bannin' on the breeze this mornin'!


whatever you do, don't post any pictures of cell clumps unless you can prove that they are alive and well, and that no one will get ill from it :D

what a clump of cells may look like

0ooOOOo0000OOoO
0ooOOOoOo00OOOooo

/ i hope no one gets uncomfortable viewing this post
 
2013-02-19 11:46:00 AM
If "pro lifers" want the fetus, give it to them.

It's not to government's place to tell a woman she has to allow something to grow inside her against her will, whether it's a fetus or potatoes.

Take the fetus out, give to whoever wants it.

And when a man becomes pregnant his opinion will be more relevant.
 
2013-02-19 11:57:58 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: And when a man becomes pregnant his opinion performance in a quirky (and seemingly mis-cast) lighthearted comedy will be more relevant.

 
2013-02-19 12:29:02 PM

radarlove: The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.

You have no idea what Satanism actually is.

Ooh, spooky- do tell.


It's an absense of God.  That's it.  No devil, no naked rituals under the moonlight, just Christianity minus the drama-queen at the center of it.
 
2013-02-19 12:47:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You have no idea what Satanism actually is.


The My Little Pony Killer: No devil


hmm, something tells me that you are a member of the IB, welcome aboard :D

death to christians, and abortions for all !

vote democrat

SkunkWerks: jedikinkoid: You've completely convinced everyone that you're actually on the pro-choice side

IDW takes no sides.  IDW likes to talk about himself in the third person.


you must have me confused with someone else, i speak 1st person and am 110% IB, i take the side of logic, reason and SCIENCE!

it's the only rational choice, to hate god and christians

vote democrat

so as you can see, i clearly take the side of:

Anti-theism (or "atheism" if you will, wink wink)
Anti-Christianity
Science
Liberal Democratic Party
Nanny-State Mind Control, Big Brother Govt. Thought Police
Fark.com
Communism
Pro-Choice
Gun-banning
LGBT
ACLU (as long as they agree with LGBT)
PETA
Logic, Reason, Rational
FREE THINKING
...etc...

AKA "Intelligence Brigade", why else do you think i'm getting free TF? :D

i hope this helps

but don't worry about that that other guy "the drunk one" we censored-booted his arse a long time ago, just blissful echo chamber here :D

i do wish people would stop accusing me of being a troll simply because I always agree with my brothers in the IB, i think it is offensive and very trollish behavior, they need to grow up
 
2013-02-19 01:22:09 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.

You have no idea what Satanism actually is.

Ooh, spooky- do tell.

It's an absense of God.  That's it.  No devil, no naked rituals under the moonlight, just Christianity minus the drama-queen at the center of it.


Precisely.  Satanism, and I am speaking of LaVeyan Satanism here, not Luciferianism, is at its core The Religion of The Self.  The Self reigns supreme to the Satanist.  It is literally and proudly the religion of selfishness.

Now I ask you- who is more selfish than the Dominionist and/or Fundamentalist right-wing Christian?

Feed the poor?  Not with MY money.
Provide welfare and medical care to the needy?  Keep MY taxes out of it.
Care for our wounded soldiers?  What have they done for ME?
Society helped build your business?  No, I built it by MYSELF, with help from nobody.
Pay a fair wage to your workers? Then what about MY bonuses?
Regulate firearms? Keep your stinking paws off MY damn dirty AR-15.
Let a woman get a life-saving abortion? Not while I'M around!
Why even bother going to church on Sundays?  Because I don't want to miss MY shot at heaven, and MY wife had damn well better come with ME because the Kingdom of Heaven is ALL MINE, GODDAMNIT!  I am THE MASTER!  I have DOMINION OVER ALL I SURVEY!

MY family.  MY God.  MY views and opinions.  All reign superior over yours.  Me, me, me.  Modern-day Christianity- the True Religion of the Self.  These people don't believe in God, they believe in themselves and themselves alone.  If they believed in any sort of loving God they'd actually be out there on the streets helping people out, giving of themselves, and living as they were commanded to in a spirit of love and grace to all, without thought of reward or punishment or The Self.  Instead they spew hate, revel in anger, and sow discord wherever they go.  They've become, in the name of their God, everything they swore to stand against, and they did all of this because they are Self-ish.

They are LaVeyan Satanists, they simply do not realize it or are unwilling to confront that truth.

That being said, I only made that post because each of the first letters spells out "last post."
 
2013-02-19 01:42:34 PM

I drunk what: sorry i couldn't respond sooner, i got a 24-hr TIMEOUT because the modmins said that posting pics of our Hero's handiwork is considered "Graphic image content" and would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable.


Interesting.  I say "interesting" because it was ck1938 who got banned for posting that image, not IDW.  Oopsie.
 
2013-02-19 02:26:15 PM

The Envoy: I drunk what: sorry i couldn't respond sooner, i got a 24-hr TIMEOUT because the modmins said that posting pics of our Hero's handiwork is considered "Graphic image content" and would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable.

Interesting.  I say "interesting" because it was ck1938 who got banned for posting that image, not IDW.  Oopsie.


well my post was similar to the other one, i posted an image to add to the discussion for the topic of this thread like in this link below:

!!WARNING!!  NSFW, the content at this link may be disturbing and too graphic for most people, or cause them to feel ill, uncomfortable and disturbed.

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF THE TOPIC OF ABORTION OFFENDS YOU  ---> link <---- NSFW

but as i stated above posting information like this on fark is a punishable offense, and you may get a timeout if you pull these kind of shenanigans so carefully consider what you post.

but for those who are ok with the contents of the link, i'll just add "MY HERO" :D

*high five* subby!
 
2013-02-19 05:34:34 PM

I drunk what: The Envoy: I drunk what: sorry i couldn't respond sooner, i got a 24-hr TIMEOUT because the modmins said that posting pics of our Hero's handiwork is considered "Graphic image content" and would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable.

Interesting.  I say "interesting" because it was ck1938 who got banned for posting that image, not IDW.  Oopsie.

well my post was similar to the other one, i posted an image to add to the discussion for the topic of this thread like in this link below:

!!WARNING!!  NSFW, the content at this link may be disturbing and too graphic for most people, or cause them to feel ill, uncomfortable and disturbed.

DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK IF THE TOPIC OF ABORTION OFFENDS YOU  ---> link <---- NSFW

but as i stated above posting information like this on fark is a punishable offense, and you may get a timeout if you pull these kind of shenanigans so carefully consider what you post.

but for those who are ok with the contents of the link, i'll just add "MY HERO" :D

*high five* subby!


Of course it was sweetheart.  Jog on.
 
2013-02-19 05:42:01 PM

The Envoy: Of course it was sweetheart.  Jog on.


it wasn't similar? i don't follow

my post was exactly like the illustration in that article except the quick GIS i did to get an illustration like that produced an image that had a photograph (of the end result to a real clump of cells) tacked onto the end of some illustrations, which i guess triggered the timeout?

nice day for a jog, honey bunny
 
2013-02-19 05:50:49 PM

The Envoy: Of course it was sweetheart.  Jog on.


but hey if you want to see for yourself just GIS "late abortion" and click the first pic

or GIS "partial birth abortion" and click the 4th one, it's the same pic

just don't post it on fark, you'll get in trouble for showing what actually happens

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-19 05:51:53 PM

radarlove: The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: The My Little Pony Killer: radarlove: Satanism has become the dominant religion in this country.

You have no idea what Satanism actually is.

Ooh, spooky- do tell.

It's an absense of God.  That's it.  No devil, no naked rituals under the moonlight, just Christianity minus the drama-queen at the center of it.

Precisely.  Satanism, and I am speaking of LaVeyan Satanism here, not Luciferianism, is at its core The Religion of The Self.  The Self reigns supreme to the Satanist.  It is literally and proudly the religion of selfishness.

Now I ask you- who is more selfish than the Dominionist and/or Fundamentalist right-wing Christian?

Feed the poor?  Not with MY money.
Provide welfare and medical care to the needy?  Keep MY taxes out of it.
Care for our wounded soldiers?  What have they done for ME?
Society helped build your business?  No, I built it by MYSELF, with help from nobody.
Pay a fair wage to your workers? Then what about MY bonuses?
Regulate firearms? Keep your stinking paws off MY damn dirty AR-15.
Let a woman get a life-saving abortion? Not while I'M around!
Why even bother going to church on Sundays?  Because I don't want to miss MY shot at heaven, and MY wife had damn well better come with ME because the Kingdom of Heaven is ALL MINE, GODDAMNIT!  I am THE MASTER!  I have DOMINION OVER ALL I SURVEY!

MY family.  MY God.  MY views and opinions.  All reign superior over yours.  Me, me, me.  Modern-day Christianity- the True Religion of the Self.  These people don't believe in God, they believe in themselves and themselves alone.  If they believed in any sort of loving God they'd actually be out there on the streets helping people out, giving of themselves, and living as they were commanded to in a spirit of love and grace to all, without thought of reward or punishment or The Self.  Instead they spew hate, revel in anger, and sow discord wherever they go.  They've become, in the name of their God, everything they swore ...


Honey, they still throw a supposed belief in God around whatever they do.  They're not Satanists in any sense of the word.
 
2013-02-19 06:06:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Honey, they still throw a supposed belief in God around whatever they do.  They're not Satanists in any sense of the word.


duh, cuz all real satanists don't believe in God, they believe in the physically scientific real Satan, and the magic powers he bestows to his followers

believing in God would make one retarded, worshiping Satan is the only logical rational choice

FOR SCIENCE!

vote democrat
 
2013-02-19 06:13:41 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Honey, they still throw a supposed belief in God around whatever they do. They're not Satanists in any sense of the word.


<i>Supposed</i>, sure- but you must admit that what they portray themselves to be and who they truly are are frequently vastly divergent.
 
2013-02-19 06:55:23 PM

I drunk what: The Envoy: Of course it was sweetheart.  Jog on.

but hey if you want to see for yourself just GIS "late abortion" and click the first pic

or GIS "partial birth abortion" and click the 4th one, it's the same pic

just don't post it on fark, you'll get in trouble for showing what actually happens

[t2.gstatic.com image 497x101]


Yawn.  Old schtick is old.  Get some new material, you've worn this one out.  Do one.  Nighty night clown shoes.
 
2013-02-19 07:35:19 PM

I drunk what: jedikinkoid: Wow, you're so clever! You've completely convinced everyone that you're actually on the pro-choice side, myself included, and that the pro-choice side is as repulsively stupid as you're acting!

Someone get this man an Oscar! Bravo, bravo!

sorry i couldn't respond sooner, i got a 24-hr TIMEOUT because the modmins said that posting pics of our Hero's handiwork is considered "Graphic image content" and  would make most viewers feel ill, upset, or uncomfortable. which is a bit confusing since they are the same modmins that greenlighted a thread heralding these people as HEROs  :\

so apparently we are supposed to worship and praise these people but not actually review the fruit of their labor (because THAT would make some people uncomfortable)

now i'm extra confused, cause if we aren't allowed to post images of scrambled eggs, dead parasites, etc..

then how come other people can post that stuff and not get timeouts?!?

can anyone help me out here? what is a farker to do?

i guess we are only allowed to just post "i'm ok you're ok" and pics of how stupid christians are? i guess that is the actual intent of the posting rules...

sounds good to me :D


You have serious apples and oranges problem, crybaby. The image may be germane to the conversation, but if it's graphic it violates the TOS and you get tossed. Man up and post a link instead. If not getting to post graphic content inline weakens your argument, then you don't have much of an argument to begin with. If it doesn't weaken your argument, the STFU about your bannination and get back on topic. Nobody cares about your persecution complex.
 
2013-02-19 08:33:41 PM
One of the other survivors of that office practices on the block across from me*.  Some things about the group tracking him ("pray to end abortion"):

he gets death threats... big surprise there.
his landlord gets death threats
his landlord's kids get death threats (bless your children going to Northwestern High School at 7:30am)
his landlord's kids get protested in front of their school (will no one beat up these troublesome kids?) [FAILED.  didn't last long]
his landlord's inlaws get death threats (fairly new tactic)

If you ever wondered why some think Christianity is a dangerous superstition, just drive by his office and see the people there.

/* three murders on that block since I moved here (it's a fairly big block).  We don't need a fourth+.
 
2013-02-20 08:37:59 AM

100 Watt Walrus: You have serious apples and oranges problem, crybaby. The image may be germane to the conversation, but if it's graphic it violates the TOS and you get tossed. Man up and post a link instead. If not getting to post graphic content inline weakens your argument, then you don't have much of an argument to begin with. If it doesn't weaken your argument, the STFU about your bannination and get back on topic. Nobody cares about your persecution complex.


well thats the point doofus

if posting pics of scrambled eggs (with some bacon to sweeten the deal so it doesn't get censored)

www.finecooking.com

is considered "graphic image content" and gets people a timeout then the problem is not on the poster needing to man up, rather it requires some clearly defined rules that everyone can follow

1.  The modmins clearly accepted this thread as a heroic tribute to some noble and honorable members of our society, and i totally agree.

however

2. They then censor harmless pics of the scrambled eggs  (and punish posters), WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE HERO's DO FOR A LIVING???

so then are you actually suggesting that the reason why they consider the images "GRAPHIC" and cause people to become ill, upset, uncomfortable is because those meaningless clumps of cells are actually a little person?!?!?!  LOLZ you are so dense!!! you sound just like those idiotic christians who go around crying about baby "murder" blah blah blah LULZ

i don't think so,

i think pics like the example above should be censored because meat is murder and images posted of ANY dead organisms should be a bannable offense, and i totally agree if that is what the posting rules meant

vote democrat
 
2013-02-20 08:41:26 AM

The Envoy: Yawn.  Old schtick is old.  Get some new material, you've worn this one out.  Do one.  Nighty night clown shoes.


ah, so you don't understand Science or believe in Evolution? look just because you get your instructions from a 2,000 year old tome written by invisible sky wizards, does not mean that the rest of us are as dumb as you

careful with this one^ guys, he is obviously one of those fundy creationist teatards republicans

nice try buddy

2/10

just leave the important rational discussions to us adults who don't believe in angels :D

isn't it your bedtime?
 
2013-02-20 01:05:22 PM

I drunk what: ah, so you don't understand Science or believe in Evolution? look just because you get your instructions from a 2,000 year old tome written by invisible sky wizards, does not mean that the rest of us are as dumb as you

careful with this one^ guys, he is obviously one of those fundy creationist teatards republicans

nice try buddy

2/10

just leave the important rational discussions to us adults who don't believe in angels :D

isn't it your bedtime?


Purposefully misconstruing my opinions and beliefs as the opposite of those held is extremely weak and less than effective.  Try again.

0/10.  You're not trying hard enough.
 
2013-02-20 01:12:30 PM

The Envoy: You're not trying hard enough.


trolling is a art

Yawn.  noobs always have to get the last word in.

-1/10
 
2013-02-21 02:55:39 AM

I drunk what: 100 Watt Walrus: You have serious apples and oranges problem, crybaby. The image may be germane to the conversation, but if it's graphic it violates the TOS and you get tossed. Man up and post a link instead. If not getting to post graphic content inline weakens your argument, then you don't have much of an argument to begin with. If it doesn't weaken your argument, the STFU about your bannination and get back on topic. Nobody cares about your persecution complex.

well thats the point doofus

if posting pics of scrambled eggs (with some bacon to sweeten the deal so it doesn't get censored)

[www.finecooking.com image 430x285]

is considered "graphic image content" and gets people a timeout then the problem is not on the poster needing to man up, rather it requires some clearly defined rules that everyone can follow

1.  The modmins clearly accepted this thread as a heroic tribute to some noble and honorable members of our society, and i totally agree.

however

2. They then censor harmless pics of the scrambled eggs  (and punish posters), WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE HERO's DO FOR A LIVING???

so then are you actually suggesting that the reason why they consider the images "GRAPHIC" and cause people to become ill, upset, uncomfortable is because those meaningless clumps of cells are actually a little person?!?!?!  LOLZ you are so dense!!! you sound just like those idiotic christians who go around crying about baby "murder" blah blah blah LULZ

i don't think so,

i think pics like the example above should be censored because meat is murder and images posted of ANY dead organisms should be a bannable offense, and i totally agree if that is what the posting rules meant

vote democrat


The picture in question you posted purely for shock value. As such, if you're genuinely ignorant enough to think that picture wouldn't get you banned, then it's hard to take seriously anything you have to say.

What does voting democrat or republican have to do with posting graphic images on Fark?

/I get it now, you're just being a dick
 
2013-02-21 04:29:01 AM

I drunk what: The Envoy: You're not trying hard enough.

trolling is a art

Yawn.  noobs always have to get the last word in.

-1/10


-2/10.  Weaker and weaker.
 
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