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2013-02-17 09:28:05 PM  
fitsnews.com
 
2013-02-17 09:31:01 PM  
That's.... racist?
 
2013-02-17 09:31:07 PM  
That's because the Klan were too busy sewing costumes and doing laundry. They were not butch.
 
2013-02-17 09:32:01 PM  
so vote Republican? I don't get it.
 
2013-02-17 09:32:34 PM  
www.dudelol.com
 
2013-02-17 09:33:05 PM  
Yes, yes, very clever. Now see if you can spend as much time actually getting the message out as I did trying to figure out what your message actually was.
 
2013-02-17 09:34:04 PM  

ultraholland: so vote Republican? I don't get it.


Why must it be Republican vs Democrat?  Why can't it just be a journalist making a statement on crime and violence without reference to political party?
 
2013-02-17 09:34:11 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-17 09:34:22 PM  

ultraholland: so vote Republican? I don't get it.


That comment shows that you never will.
 
2013-02-17 09:36:22 PM  
dholway: That comment shows that you never will.

awww shucks
 
2013-02-17 09:36:25 PM  
How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?
 
2013-02-17 09:37:05 PM  
We get it, they're black.
 
2013-02-17 09:37:30 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the

to keep other blacks fearful for their lives?

FTFM
 
2013-02-17 09:37:30 PM  
What the... how doe's that help?
 
2013-02-17 09:37:59 PM  
I see this message.  The call for the ending of black-black shootings needs to end.

That said, the biggest part of this problem is that when there is little opportunity for legitimate employment, people resort to illegitimate employment.

Illegitimate employment means that there's an added business expense that involves lawyers, guns and money.   Which means guns get shot a lot.
 
2013-02-17 09:38:06 PM  
The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.
 
2013-02-17 09:38:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 09:39:31 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Damn self haters be hatin'.
 
2013-02-17 09:39:38 PM  
By "end" I mean "Because black-black shootings are rare now".
 
2013-02-17 09:39:43 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


Probably not to the victims and their families as you might imagine.
 
2013-02-17 09:40:33 PM  
It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.
 
2013-02-17 09:40:34 PM  

GilRuiz1: ultraholland: so vote Republican? I don't get it.

Why must it be Republican vs Democrat?  Why can't it just be a journalist making a statement on crime and violence without reference to political party?


Because reasons.
 
2013-02-17 09:41:27 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Seven.
 
2013-02-17 09:43:45 PM  
img20.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-17 09:44:19 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


You think black people today, in general, are afraid of being strung up by a Klansman?
 
2013-02-17 09:44:30 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: the biggest part of this problem is that when there is little opportunity for legitimate employment, people resort to illegitimate employment.


Because it's all about getting a good job, right. That's all they want, is to go to work. It's just like the union labor struggles.
 
2013-02-17 09:45:09 PM  
Can you put together a whole history, or it is already whole?
 
2013-02-17 09:47:21 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


There are not alot of trees in da ghetto.
 
2013-02-17 09:49:09 PM  
Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?
 
2013-02-17 09:49:55 PM  
How much black-on-black violence is related the anti-drug laws enacted by Klansmen in the 1920's and 30's?
 
2013-02-17 09:53:22 PM  

Shirley Ujest: TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?

There are not alot of trees in da ghetto.


It's called the hood (well it was when I lived there) thank you. Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.
 
2013-02-17 09:54:19 PM  

Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.


I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.
 
2013-02-17 09:56:07 PM  
Black on black violence is a subject Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don't spend enough time addressing. And I understand poverty brings on a lot of crime, but there's no excuse for so many murders.
 
2013-02-17 09:56:13 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.


Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.
 
2013-02-17 09:56:41 PM  
ZeroCorpse


The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


Either way they are just as dead. And the real difference is the KKK isn't doing today.
 
2013-02-17 09:57:01 PM  

skinink: Black on black violence is a subject Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don't spend enough time addressing. And I understand poverty brings on a lot of crime, but there's no excuse for so many murders.


Jesse Jackson Jr. charged with misusing $750,000 in campaign funds
 
2013-02-17 09:58:34 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: What the... how doe's that help?


Well, if folks don't get the point he was trying to make I guess it won't
 
2013-02-17 09:59:34 PM  
Documentary filmmaker Sixx King is black and he's tired of black-on-black violence so he wanted to do something proactive to make a statement an attention whore.

Fixt.
 
2013-02-17 10:00:25 PM  

GilRuiz1: ultraholland: so vote Republican? I don't get it.

Why must it be Republican vs Democrat?  Why can't it just be a journalist making a statement on crime and violence without reference to political party?


Farkers frown upon your confusing shenanigans. It is ALWAYS Democrats vs Republicans. Even in pie contests at State fairs.
 
2013-02-17 10:02:16 PM  
Damn.  If the crime rate in black ghettos weren't so terrifying, I'd say he's the greatest troll ever.
 
2013-02-17 10:02:59 PM  
What planet does that clown in the Kluxer outfit live on?

When I lived near Chicago, there would be at least two marches/rallies/demonstrations against black-on-black violence in Chicago every month and at least one photo-op weekly of the mayor or police chief with some group of bereaved, angry African-Americans fulminating against black-on-black crime.  The outrage is there in plain sight, but it does not fit the MSM narrative so out it goes.
 
2013-02-17 10:03:27 PM  
 I have a black friend so I feel justified to comment. I don't trust my black friend because black friends can be so violent and uppity.
 
2013-02-17 10:04:20 PM  

wildcardjack: How much black-on-black violence is related the anti-drug laws enacted by Klansmen in the 1920's and 30's?


none.
 
2013-02-17 10:06:49 PM  
They would have killed more but they always had trouble seeing out of those hoods

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 10:06:52 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?



It almost happened in Fresno a couple weeks ago, but there was a hatched wielding hitchhiker in the passenger seat that took action.
 
2013-02-17 10:07:05 PM  
History and reality are politically incorrect and his point is spot on. His biggest threats will be from fellow blacks. Sad but there is nothing that you can safely say on this.
 
2013-02-17 10:09:25 PM  
Jaime Foxx did say blacks were more talented.  I guess that covers murdering too.
 
2013-02-17 10:11:03 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


I'm not sure getting shot "because racism" is any worse than getting shot "because drug dealing."  You're still getting shot.

And the Klan isn't creating the fear anymore - neighbors are.  That's arguably worse.
 
2013-02-17 10:12:14 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.


I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:18 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Well there was this cat named Dorner who used similar tactics
 
2013-02-17 10:17:43 PM  
To those who want to compare the threat of lynching done decades ago in order to strike fear into the hearts of black people to todays black on black violence I'd think that there are plenty more black people in the slums, ghettos, hoods or whatever you want to call them that are in fear of their lives from black on black crime than there ever were from the KKK.

The hood thugs of today ARE the comparative equal to the KKK of yesteryear and are far more deadly and pervasive than the KKK ever was. That is this guys message.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:49 PM  

Lsherm: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

I'm not sure getting shot "because racism" is any worse than getting shot "because drug dealing."  You're still getting shot.

Nah, for the left it is about feelings and "thought crimes".  So someone getting shot because of druges (hey, nothing personal, bang) is a lot better off than someone getting shot due to racism (hey, bang).

And the Klan isn't creating the fear anymore - neighbors are.  That's arguably worse.


No argument there. it is a lot worse. It robs you of any sense of security and builds up paranoia big time.
 
2013-02-17 10:18:09 PM  
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And now for my next impression....Jesse Owens
 
2013-02-17 10:18:36 PM  
Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.
 
2013-02-17 10:20:42 PM  

GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?


Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?
 
2013-02-17 10:22:04 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.


why was your white uncle afraid of the klan?

were they his wifes sheets or his girlfriends or were they both.  I don't understand why you wrote "wifes/girlfriends"

what is a "choths line"?

are you drunk?
 
2013-02-17 10:23:13 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.


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2013-02-17 10:23:16 PM  
Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:29 PM  

MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?


No.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:39 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.


Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?
 
2013-02-17 10:25:07 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.


are you for real?
you blame the war on drugs for the high level of black on black violence?
seriously?
 
2013-02-17 10:25:41 PM  

ScreamingHangover: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

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I don't think there was the extent of random bloodbaths then than there are now. The Mob used violence to maintain their control in the territories they controlled, they didn't gun down kids randomly on the street to preserve power, they seemed to have targeted their terror over directed individuals under their control.
 
2013-02-17 10:25:56 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.


Go on...
 
2013-02-17 10:26:04 PM  
Eh, as long as they're keeping it in their own 'hood.
 
2013-02-17 10:26:08 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.


I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.
 
2013-02-17 10:27:52 PM  

MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?


I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.
 
2013-02-17 10:29:19 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.


I had to, apologies to the thread:

img13.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-17 10:29:38 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Lynching?  Few to none.  Killing their "fellow" blacks and keeping other blacks fearful for their lives?  A lot given the black on black crime rate.
 
2013-02-17 10:29:45 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


You don't know much about how gangs work, do you?
 
2013-02-17 10:30:02 PM  
Should have earned the HERO tag.

Blacks killing blacks have been the major source of death in the black community for decades, yet any attempt to rectify it is immediately dubbed "racist!"

People who offer common sense solutions like Star Parker and the Rev. Jesse Petersen preach to their own choirs, while people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton get rich peddling hate.

Go figure.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:36 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.


You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:49 PM  

onyxruby: History and reality are politically incorrect and his point is spot on. His biggest threats will be from fellow blacks. Sad but there is nothing that you can safely say on this.


How about 'what the fark is that first part of your first sentence supposed to mean?'. He's not saying the Klan were  good, he's saying maybe his culture should stop trying to kill each other, which doesn't have anything to do with history, and I fail to see what it has to do with 'reality being politically incorrect'.
 
2013-02-17 10:37:53 PM  

lohphat: ScreamingHangover: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

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???

I don't think there was the extent of random bloodbaths then than there are now. The Mob used violence to maintain their control in the territories they controlled, they didn't gun down kids randomly on the street to preserve power, they seemed to have targeted their terror over directed individuals under their control.


Yeah: that's my point: here they were: persecuted minorities during a depression running massive drug rings (alcohol). Yet with a trivial amount of violence compared to what's going down today.
 
2013-02-17 10:38:04 PM  
 i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 10:38:05 PM  

Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.


bullshiat. my parents grew up in the days when the bulk of the country was dirt poor and hungry. people did what they had to do to put food on the table and it didn't include robbing stores, slinging dope on the street corner, shooting each other in bulk quantities and parenting six children with four babbys mommas. there is a huge difference between being poor and being a hoodlum.
 
2013-02-17 10:40:39 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.


i do think it's education and the importance of education. I mean I learned to read from my parents making me sit down and read everyday. when I was young.
But yea the war on drugs, yea we had neighbors in east Nashville that were running their house like a McDonald's for crack, I was so glad when they got busted because I was really afraid I was gonna wake up to gang style firefight next door one night.
 
2013-02-17 10:40:45 PM  

lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.


A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.
 
2013-02-17 10:41:21 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.


THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.
 
2013-02-17 10:42:01 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: I see this message.  The call for the ending of black-black shootings needs to end.

That said, the biggest part of this problem is that when there is little opportunity for legitimate employment, people resort to illegitimate employment.

Illegitimate employment means that there's an added business expense that involves lawyers, guns and money.   Which means guns get shot a lot.


Which decades of spending trillions of dollars in social welfare spending along with racial quotas and "affirmative action" have done nothing to correct.  It may have made it worse by replacing the traditional family sturcuture with government social programs.  Welfare went from being temporary assistance to a mutli-generational entitlement and career choice

It is a cultural problem that will not change until the culture is changed from one is which academic achievement is "acting white", the culture of thuggism is no longer celebrated by things like rap "music" and single motherhood is no longer the norm .
 
2013-02-17 10:42:35 PM  
Uhm, Klan violence against blacks was/is inspired purely by race. Black on black violence is typically inspired by something else. It's like claiming that I killed a man because he was white, not because he was screwing my wife.
 
2013-02-17 10:43:08 PM  
Most dangerous place for a black baby in the US? in utero.
 
2013-02-17 10:43:25 PM  

GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.


Not true.
I remember way back one of my friends made the mistake of wearing the SAME color sweater as Rodgers had on that day.
Never saw him after that day.
No one ever made that mistake again.
 
2013-02-17 10:47:52 PM  

ScreamingHangover: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.

THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.



You're missing the point: Becuse some black people don't like white people, that means no one should care about racism in general.
 
2013-02-17 10:48:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.

Not true.
I remember way back one of my friends made the mistake of wearing the SAME color sweater as Rodgers had on that day.
Never saw him after that day.
No one ever made that mistake again.


See, white people kill you for wearing the same colors. Black people kill you for wearing different colors. Separate but equal.
 
2013-02-17 10:50:02 PM  
A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.
 
2013-02-17 10:50:56 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Gangs often use intimidation against other gangs merely by the color of their clothes.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:04 PM  
I have to say...this is one of the dumbest threads in the history of Fark.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:15 PM  
 
2013-02-17 10:52:04 PM  
Z-clipped:
A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.
www.troll.me
 
2013-02-17 10:52:10 PM  

Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.


Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?
 
2013-02-17 10:52:18 PM  

GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.


Do you mean Stan Rogers? Meh. Should I listen to any 80s cock rock album or a high school locker room to see how all of white America views women? Pigeon hole all Muslims because some extremists still stone women? Watch primetime CSI type shows and think every inch of America is crawling with attempted criminal masterminds? Is that how this is supposed to work?

I'm just saying well before and since Rome, lots of cultures celebrate violence, whether it's through fighting, war, sport or celluloid entertainment now. And most cultures still make objects out of women. It is prevalent in poor/poor black communities, but it isn't exclusive by any means.
 
2013-02-17 10:53:21 PM  

Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.


The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.
 
2013-02-17 10:54:36 PM  

Lsherm: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.


I've read in Texas the klan would go after any social undesirables, black, white, jewish, even catholics at times.
 
2013-02-17 10:54:46 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Uh, why every black slave from Africa that was ever sold by other African blacks to whites, of course!

/whew! that was a close one!
 
2013-02-17 10:56:35 PM  

KrispyKritter: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

bullshiat. my parents grew up in the days when the bulk of the country was dirt poor and hungry. people did what they had to do to put food on the table and it didn't include robbing stores, slinging dope on the street corner, shooting each other in bulk quantities and parenting six children with four babbys mommas. there is a huge difference between being poor and being a hoodlum.


Please don't tell me you're talking about the '30s.
 
2013-02-17 10:57:30 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.

Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?


It was years ago and I'm not that interested in trying to dig it up.
 
2013-02-17 10:58:28 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.


Now I'm trying to figure out if you don't like black-on-woman violence or black-on-woman cooperative violence followed by babies.
 
2013-02-17 10:58:43 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Lsherm: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.

I've read in Texas the klan would go after any social undesirables, black, white, jewish, even catholics at times.


Meh.  White Catholic living in the south.  The Klan isn't on my concern list.  Neither are black people.  Mice are.

People try to convert me all the time, but it's easy to shut them down.  No one is trying to kill me because I'm Catholic.  If anything, they just avoid me, which works out for all of us.
 
2013-02-17 10:59:28 PM  

Radioactive Ass: To those who want to compare the threat of lynching done decades ago in order to strike fear into the hearts of black people to todays black on black violence I'd think that there are plenty more black people in the slums, ghettos, hoods or whatever you want to call them that are in fear of their lives from black on black crime than there ever were from the KKK.

The hood thugs of today ARE the comparative equal to the KKK of yesteryear and are far more deadly and pervasive than the KKK ever was. That is this guys message.


There is, however, an issue of the type of deaths that were inflicted. Go to Wikipedia and type "lynching". Then read the entire page and be prepared to lose sleep.

Castrating blacks, shoving burning pokers into their eye sockets, amputating body parts, etc. I'd rather be shot.
 
2013-02-17 11:02:14 PM  

Wayne 985: Radioactive Ass: To those who want to compare the threat of lynching done decades ago in order to strike fear into the hearts of black people to todays black on black violence I'd think that there are plenty more black people in the slums, ghettos, hoods or whatever you want to call them that are in fear of their lives from black on black crime than there ever were from the KKK.

The hood thugs of today ARE the comparative equal to the KKK of yesteryear and are far more deadly and pervasive than the KKK ever was. That is this guys message.

There is, however, an issue of the type of deaths that were inflicted. Go to Wikipedia and type "lynching". Then read the entire page and be prepared to lose sleep.

Castrating blacks, shoving burning pokers into their eye sockets, amputating body parts, etc. I'd rather be shot.


Well if you want to thrown down about horrifying Wikipedia articles then go read up about the Rape of Nanking.
 
2013-02-17 11:03:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.

Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?


I recently read something very similar in the Toronto Star, by a BLACK woman.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gt a/2013/02/13/qa_donna_harrow_discusses_t he_crisis_in_the_black_community.html
 
2013-02-17 11:09:42 PM  

Wayne 985: There is, however, an issue of the type of deaths that were inflicted. Go to Wikipedia and type "lynching". Then read the entire page and be prepared to lose sleep.

Castrating blacks, shoving burning pokers into their eye sockets, amputating body parts, etc. I'd rather be shot.


There is not going to be a perfect American comparison however that is the message that he's trying to send and I think that he has a point.
 
2013-02-17 11:10:30 PM  

Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

That is an all-time high for stupidity.
If "black people kill black people because no one cares" - then they must care less about black people than others do.

This argument says they are killing for the heck of it but chose to kill blacks because they will get in less trouble.

Taking that stupid argument further, let's say that whites didn't control the judiciary and blacks are now killing whites as well as blacks.  It must be no ones fault since blacks weren't to blame when they were only killing blacks.

 
2013-02-17 11:12:52 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Bastard Toadflax: ScreamingHangover: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.

THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.


You're missing the point: Becuse some black people don't like white people, that means no one should care about racism in general.

Yeah, you're probably right.

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 360x235]


Are you having trouble just saying what I think you're saying? Be brave. Say it.
 
2013-02-17 11:13:05 PM  

Rufus Lee King: You know, this is one of the problems I have with FARK.

Every day, there is at least one race-baiting thread which proclaims white people are evil incarnate.

Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.

Carry on, though.


You don't have to be racist personally (though you probably are in unconscious ways, just like almost all of us) for society to be racist. Our society is still fraught with racist policies despite our efforts to change or mitigate them. 1 in 4 black men spends time in prison, often for crimes that would net a white guy a slap on the wrist. That one factor alone is enough to cause a cycle of crime, violence, and oppressive atmosphere that is self-sustaining. When you add the economic policies, drug laws, public assistance imbalances, and the idea that "hitting the lottery" of pro sports or pop stardom is the only way out on top of it, you end up with a large portion of black kids that have practically no chance to be anything but criminals.

"You're either slingin' crack rock, or you got a wicked jump shot"

You don't just get to label yourself "not racist" and conclude that it's all good. The only way to really combat this problem is to attack it economically. College needs to be free to anyone who can't afford it. Poor families need to be able to make enough money at unskilled labor that their kids can make it through high school without having to sell drugs.

Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run. We have plenty of people at the top of our economy getting obscenely rich off the misfortunes of others, that could easily afford to pitch in some higher taxes to take care of this problem.
 
2013-02-17 11:16:04 PM  

KrispyKritter: my grandparents grew up in the days when the bulk of the country was dirt poor and hungry. people did what they had to do to put food on the table and it didn't include robbing neighbors' stores, slinging dope on the street cornerrunning moonshine, shooting each other in bulk quantities and parenting six children with four babbys mommas. there is was not a huge difference between being poor and being a hoodlum.


FTFM, maybe not FTFY but FTFM
 
2013-02-17 11:17:32 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.


Not true.  Eventually those groups climbed out of extreme poverty and ignorance, but during their respective "big waves" of immigration, they were a pretty sorry lot.  The Irish came over in big bunches first, giving them a head start on the Italians (who came later).  Both were actually explicitly compared to American blacks (they were each called, albeit at different periods, "inside-out [people who annoy you]."

Racial propaganda of the time even used the exact same terms to denigrate the Irish and African-Americans (brutish, ape-like, low intelligence, etc.  Check out How the Irish Became White).  In general, immigrants who came in large waves without much by way of education or wealth were racialized as being non-white, even if they "fit" phenotypically.  The difference, of course, is that after some accumulated wealth and education, those immigrant groups could easily leave behind their stigma because they could blend.  African-Americans, however, have always been saddled with their skin color, which remains a marker of social class in America.
 
2013-02-17 11:18:40 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Wayne 985: There is, however, an issue of the type of deaths that were inflicted. Go to Wikipedia and type "lynching". Then read the entire page and be prepared to lose sleep.

Castrating blacks, shoving burning pokers into their eye sockets, amputating body parts, etc. I'd rather be shot.

There is not going to be a perfect American comparison however that is the message that he's trying to send and I think that he has a point.


I think the point is that the current culture of black on black violence is a far bigger problem than the KKK right now
 
2013-02-17 11:20:42 PM  

Z-clipped: Rufus Lee King: You know, this is one of the problems I have with FARK.

Every day, there is at least one race-baiting thread which proclaims white people are evil incarnate.

Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.

Carry on, though.

You don't have to be racist personally (though you probably are in unconscious ways, just like almost all of us) for society to be racist. Our society is still fraught with racist policies despite our efforts to change or mitigate them. 1 in 4 black men spends time in prison, often for crimes that would net a white guy a slap on the wrist. That one factor alone is enough to cause a cycle of crime, violence, and oppressive atmosphere that is self-sustaining. When you add the economic policies, drug laws, public assistance imbalances, and the idea that "hitting the lottery" of pro sports or pop stardom is the only way out on top of it, you end up with a large portion of black kids that have practically no chance to be anything but criminals.

"You're either slingin' crack rock, or you got a wicked jump shot"

You don't just get to label yourself "not racist" and conclude that it's all good. The only way to really combat this problem is to attack it economically. College needs to be free to anyone who can't afford it. Poor families need to be able to make enough money at unskilled labor that their kids can make it through high school without having to sell drugs.

Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run. We have plenty of people at the top of our economy getting obscenely rich off the misfortunes of others, that could easily afford to pitch in some higher taxes to take care of this problem.


"Wahh! White people should feel guilty! fark rich people!"
 
2013-02-17 11:23:54 PM  
By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

That's a pretty popular myth but...

dickinabox.net
 
2013-02-17 11:27:36 PM  

Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.


Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.
 
2013-02-17 11:28:09 PM  

ScreamingHangover: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.

THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.


Nope. Cops don't care about tweekers either. One of my night drivers witnessed a white dude get blown away by black drug dealers on Tacoma's hilltop. Took the cops 30 mins to show up.
 
2013-02-17 11:29:53 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.


That's a good story.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:48 PM  

Rufus Lee King: You know, this is one of the problems I have with FARK.

Every day, there is at least one race-baiting thread which proclaims white people are evil incarnate.

Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.

Carry on, though.


You sound like you have a lot of rage and anger to release. Please tell me the injustice of it all that time a black person called you a cracker and how outraged you were that you couldn't called him a nergro.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:42 PM  

calbert: [fitsnews.com image 713x468]


Now that's the way to do it.  Bam - right off the bat.  Impressive Farkers, impressive.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:54 PM  

lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.



Yeah, in Rio the government sanctions death squads to outright kill the poorest of the poor.  I can see how that's VERY similar to what happens amongst the US' poor.
 
2013-02-17 11:36:41 PM  

lamecomedian: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Not true.  Eventually those groups climbed out of extreme poverty and ignorance, but during their respective "big waves" of immigration, they were a pretty sorry lot.  The Irish came over in big bunches first, giving them a head start on the Italians (who came later).  Both were actually explicitly compared to American blacks (they were each called, albeit at different periods, "inside-out [people who annoy you]."

Racial propaganda of the time even used the exact same terms to denigrate the Irish and African-Americans (brutish, ape-like, low intelligence, etc.  Check out How the Irish Became White).  In general, immigrants who came in large waves without much by way of education or wealth were racialized as being non-white, even if they "fit" phenotypically.  The difference, of course, is that after some accumulated wealth and education, those immigrant groups could easily leave behind their stigma because they could blend.  African-Americans, however, have always been saddled with their skin color, which remains a marker of social class in America.


Okay he said 20th century not the 19th and when a lot of the Irish and Germans came then there happened to be a big war and well. The Irish Brigade maybe how did that happen?
 
2013-02-17 11:38:18 PM  

pete1729: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

That's a good story.


Thanks :D
/Family history is weird.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:24 PM  
Whatever.

Anything that shortens my time waiting in line a KFC is okay by me.


/jk!
 
2013-02-17 11:38:54 PM  

wildcardjack: How much black-on-black violence is related the anti-drug laws enacted by Klansmen in the 1920's and 30's?


Most black-on-black violence is related to proximity, in much the same reason that white-on-white violence seems to be most prevalent in the suburbs, and hispanic-on-hispanic violence is common in the barrio.

You beat, rob and murder the people nearest to you. There's no reason to start blaming it on anything else.
 
2013-02-17 11:39:13 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.


Free? It's funny how we can spend more money per child than any other country on Earth to provide them a free education. And by "funny", I mean "it's not free".
 
2013-02-17 11:40:26 PM  

lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.


You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.   Have you ever actually  been to Rio, or did you just pull this out of your ass?  Yes, the rate there dropped recently, but it's on its way back up again.  This is just an idiotic example.

India has a slightly lower homicide rate than we do, but they also have a MUCH lower Gini coefficient.  Calcutta happens to have an unusually low crime rate, even for India, but the fact that outlying data exists doesn't make what I said wrong.  Poverty (especially relative poverty) is generally the largest factor in crime rates.  Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.
 
2013-02-17 11:41:39 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Watched a doc on Netflix about how lots of black males never leave the streets they grew up on in Compton and Watts because they were fearful they would be stopped by gang members and asked where they were from and be shot for it. So in a sort of way Yes!
 
2013-02-17 11:42:05 PM  
Sad but true. They kill the shiat out of one another more than any klan killing ever did,

lamecomedian: By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

That's a pretty popular myth but...

/Wrong, the biggest factor in violent crime is uneducated smack talking gutter trash shooting up convenient stores, drive by shootings, revenge killings, robberies...etc. In other words, inner city gangs and uneducated thugs that see a life of crime as more profitable and easier than having a real job that pays a shiatty wage. So in other other words...laziness and greed and stupidity.

 
2013-02-17 11:43:03 PM  

Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.



Anyone who says it's just "a poverty thing" has never looked at poverty statistics.

Poor "whites" outnumber poor blacks by more than 2 to 1.

/FBI counts Hispanics as "white"
//Blacks make up 13% of the US population
///Do the math
 
2013-02-17 11:44:14 PM  

Z-clipped: Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.


Shows what you know. The most efficient solution is to follow the example laid out by Baron Karza in the Micronauts fictional universe. It was a utopian society.
 
2013-02-17 11:44:35 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.


Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.
 
2013-02-17 11:46:14 PM  

Greta_VanHouten: tenpoundsofcheese: Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.

Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?

I recently read something very similar in the Toronto Star, by a BLACK woman.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gt a/2013/02/13/qa_donna_harrow_discusses_t he_crisis_in_the_black_community.html


That entire article was a plea for money and nothing else.
 
2013-02-17 11:47:04 PM  

Z-clipped: lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.

You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.   Have you ever actually  been to Rio, or did you just pull this out of your ass?  Yes, the rate there dropped recently, but it's on its way back up again.  This is just an idiotic example.

India has a slightly lower homicide rate than we do, but they also have a MUCH lower Gini coefficient.  Calcutta happens to have an unusually low crime rate, even for India, but the fact that outlying data exists doesn't make what I said wrong.  Poverty (especially relative poverty) is generally the largest factor in crime rates.  Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.


Not to mention how much more difficult it is to acquire a firearm in places like India and Brazil.
 
2013-02-17 11:55:10 PM  
Than the KKK ever killed? According to whom? Who kept accurate records of the orgy of lynchings after the Civil War? You, subby?

/I'm the real racist
 
2013-02-17 11:55:20 PM  

Fallout Boy: Z-clipped: lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.

You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.   Have you ever actually  been to Rio, or did you just pull this out of your ass?  Yes, the rate there dropped recently, but it's on its way back up again.  This is just an idiotic example.

India has a slightly lower homicide rate than we do, but they also have a MUCH lower Gini coefficient.  Calcutta happens to have an unusually low crime rate, even for India, but the fact that outlying data exists doesn't make what I said wrong.  Poverty (especially relative poverty) is generally the largest factor in crime rates.  Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.

Not to mention how much more difficult it is to acquire a firearm in places like India and Brazil.



by Giovanni Dubon

"Brazil has begun to teeter on the brink of human rights violations" as it begins to clear 1.5 million poor citizens from their neighborhoods in preparation for the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. Killings of favela residents far exceed police violence, even in the United States. "Everyone knows the police here in Rio de Janeiro... nearly all of them abuse their authority.... The shooting cases you hear about, most of them are executions...It's all premeditated-very cold-blooded and calculated"
 
2013-02-17 11:56:43 PM  

GUTSU: Z-clipped: Rufus Lee King: You know, this is one of the problems I have with FARK.

Every day, there is at least one race-baiting thread which proclaims white people are evil incarnate.

Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.

Carry on, though.

You don't have to be racist personally (though you probably are in unconscious ways, just like almost all of us) for society to be racist. Our society is still fraught with racist policies despite our efforts to change or mitigate them. 1 in 4 black men spends time in prison, often for crimes that would net a white guy a slap on the wrist. That one factor alone is enough to cause a cycle of crime, violence, and oppressive atmosphere that is self-sustaining. When you add the economic policies, drug laws, public assistance imbalances, and the idea that "hitting the lottery" of pro sports or pop stardom is the only way out on top of it, you end up with a large portion of black kids that have practically no chance to be anything but criminals.

"You're either slingin' crack rock, or you got a wicked jump shot"

You don't just get to label yourself "not racist" and conclude that it's all good. The only way to really combat this problem is to attack it economically. College needs to be free to anyone who can't afford it. Poor families need to be able to make enough money at unskilled labor that their kids can make it through high school without having to sell drugs.

Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run. We have plenty of people at the top of our economy getting obscenely rich off the misfortunes of others, that could easily afford to pitch in some higher taxes to take care of this problem.

"Wahh! White people should feel guilty! fark rich people!"


"I take credit for my country's virtues, but none of the bad stuff is my fault! America, Fark yeah!"

But "fark rich people"? Yeah, lately, pretty much.
 
2013-02-17 11:58:54 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.



Not "knowingly" oppressing black people is the WORST kind of oppression against black people.


/You bastard
 
2013-02-18 12:01:58 AM  

hasty ambush: SoxSweepAgain: I see this message.  The call for the ending of black-black shootings needs to end.

That said, the biggest part of this problem is that when there is little opportunity for legitimate employment, people resort to illegitimate employment.

Illegitimate employment means that there's an added business expense that involves lawyers, guns and money.   Which means guns get shot a lot.

Which decades of spending trillions of dollars in social welfare spending along with racial quotas and "affirmative action" have done nothing to correct.  It may have made it worse by replacing the traditional family sturcuture with government social programs.  Welfare went from being temporary assistance to a mutli-generational entitlement and career choice

It is a cultural problem that will not change until the culture is changed from one is which academic achievement is "acting white", the culture of thuggism is no longer celebrated by things like rap "music" and single motherhood is no longer the norm .



^ THIS guy gets it ^
 
2013-02-18 12:03:46 AM  

untaken_name: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Free? It's funny how we can spend more money per child than any other country on Earth to provide them a free education. And by "funny", I mean "it's not free".


duh...I never implied that the teachers weren't getting paid or the buildings were building themselves.

you don't have to pay to have your child educated.

Some people pay a lot of taxes to cover those costs and may have no kids, some people pay nothing and may have 2 kids.
 
2013-02-18 12:04:08 AM  

wildcardjack: How much black-on-black violence is related the anti-drug laws enacted by Klansmen in the 1920's and 30's?


Prohibition was the genius idea of the Progressives.

So was abortion, actually.  Progressives promoted abortion as an instrument of eugenics.

These were the same people who brought economic collectivism to America.

Progressives have done such wonderful things for black people, amiright?
 
2013-02-18 12:05:30 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Not true.
I remember way back one of my friends made the mistake of wearing the SAME color sweater as Rodgers had on that day.
Never saw him after that day.
No one ever made that mistake again.


www.rainiervalleypost.com

Farkin' Rodgers and his sweaters.


/gangsta.
 
2013-02-18 12:06:54 AM  

Z-clipped: GUTSU: Z-clipped: Rufus Lee King: You know, this is one of the problems I have with FARK.

Every day, there is at least one race-baiting thread which proclaims white people are evil incarnate.

Listen, I have never knowing "oppressed" a black person in my entire life. Seriously, I wouldn't know how to even go about it.

Carry on, though.

You don't have to be racist personally (though you probably are in unconscious ways, just like almost all of us) for society to be racist. Our society is still fraught with racist policies despite our efforts to change or mitigate them. 1 in 4 black men spends time in prison, often for crimes that would net a white guy a slap on the wrist. That one factor alone is enough to cause a cycle of crime, violence, and oppressive atmosphere that is self-sustaining. When you add the economic policies, drug laws, public assistance imbalances, and the idea that "hitting the lottery" of pro sports or pop stardom is the only way out on top of it, you end up with a large portion of black kids that have practically no chance to be anything but criminals.

"You're either slingin' crack rock, or you got a wicked jump shot"

You don't just get to label yourself "not racist" and conclude that it's all good. The only way to really combat this problem is to attack it economically. College needs to be free to anyone who can't afford it. Poor families need to be able to make enough money at unskilled labor that their kids can make it through high school without having to sell drugs.

Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run. We have plenty of people at the top of our economy getting obscenely rich off the misfortunes of others, that could easily afford to pitch in some higher taxes to take care of this problem.

"Wahh! White people should feel guilty! fark rich people!"

"I take credit for my country's virtues, but none of the bad stuff is my fault! America, Fark yeah!"

But "fark ...


My family came over in the 1920's and 40's, I don't feel any guilt because a bunch of blacks sold a different bunch of blacks to the dutch who sold them to americans. I have never once claimed any credit for american exceptionalism, and I sure as hell ain't going to feel bad about something I had no control over. Hey, you can rag on rich people all you want, but if someone threw 10 million dollars into your lap you wouldn't throw it away.
 
2013-02-18 12:09:16 AM  

Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.


oh look, some one is making stuff up again.
do you have a citation for the distribution of IQs among kids who are in jail?  No?   Figures you are lying again.

do you have a citation for how many kids sell drugs in order to eat ?  No?  Figures that you are lying again.

Any stats or citations for how many of those kids don't have access to programs for food?  No?

Stop being such a racist by stereotyping people.
 
2013-02-18 12:10:02 AM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

Now I'm trying to figure out if you don't like black-on-woman violence or black-on-woman cooperative violence followed by babies.


ihateyousomuch.jpg
 
2013-02-18 12:10:23 AM  

GilRuiz1: ultraholland: so vote Republican? I don't get it.

Why must it be Republican vs Democrat?  Why can't it just be a journalist making a statement on crime and violence without reference to political party?


Because a Liberal can't make a mindless derp statement without using a pointless jab to make it seem like their IQ is above 60.
 
2013-02-18 12:10:44 AM  
if i recall correctly from the bureau of justice statistics ,  about 50% of all murder victims and murders are black, but blacks are 13% of the overall population.
 
2013-02-18 12:12:19 AM  
It is a cultural problem that will not change until the culture is changed from one is which academic achievement is "acting white", the culture of thuggism is no longer celebrated by things like rap "music" and single motherhood is no longer the norm .

(Let me fix that for you)


After white people decide to stop twisting children's minds to make a buck using obvious misdirected emotional appeals  we'll keep having generations of children who, in the absence of a strong male role models, due to insanely biased incarceration statistics and economic outlook suck up as much thuggery as old white men can sell to them, all before they have a chance to learn the Tooth Fairy isn't real. Things won't change until that changes.
 
2013-02-18 12:12:26 AM  

Z-clipped: lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.

You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.   Have you ever actually  been to Rio, or did you just pull this out of your ass?  Yes, the rate there dropped recently, but it's on its way back up again.  This is just an idiotic example.

India has a slightly lower homicide rate than we do, but they also have a MUCH lower Gini coefficient.  Calcutta happens to have an unusually low crime rate, even for India, but the fact that outlying data exists doesn't make what I said wrong.  Poverty (especially relative poverty) is generally the largest factor in crime rates.  Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.


The Gini coefficient is not a measure of poverty, it's a measure of wealth inequality.  Two countries can have the same GCo, but have very different standards of living.

Once again: poverty is not the main factor driving crime rates.
 
2013-02-18 12:15:56 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: untaken_name: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Free? It's funny how we can spend more money per child than any other country on Earth to provide them a free education. And by "funny", I mean "it's not free".

duh...I never implied that the teachers weren't getting paid or the buildings were building themselves.

you don't have to pay to have your child educated.

Some people pay a lot of taxes to cover those costs and may have no kids, some people pay nothing and may have 2 kids.


College motherfarker, did you go to it?

/why am I replying to this troll?
 
2013-02-18 12:16:49 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: if i recall correctly from the bureau of justice statistics ,  about 50% of all murder victims and murders are black, but blacks are 13% of the overall population.


And yet it's the racist court systems fault that there are so many blacks in prison... The willful disconnect that some people show is amazing to me.
 
2013-02-18 12:19:26 AM  
images.topix.com
 
2013-02-18 12:19:50 AM  
This was twenty-five years ago.  And pretty much the only thing that's changed since then is that kids are jacking iPhones from each other now instead of gold chains.
 
2013-02-18 12:20:17 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Stop being such a racist by stereotyping people.

  no one is buying that, here's another sherm telling us it's all not real... let me tell you, racism is real, disaffection is real, and there is nothing about our capitalist system that is interested in raising educated minorities. Ahem,too educatedminorities.  I'm not for changing capitalism, i'm for using government to change the equation of capitalism and make dark-side psychology less profitable.. you know, taxing entertainment more, education less, all the good stuff we should be doing while repubs. scream for lower taxes, period, just to illustrate how misguided their understanding of the value of government actually is. Someone tells you disadvantageous situations aren't really happening, you can feel free to ignore them; they dont have knowledge, they've onlygiven up.

This is an old story 10lb, not a new one. Tune in.
 
2013-02-18 12:28:46 AM  

LookForTheArrow: tenpoundsofcheese: Stop being such a racist by stereotyping people.
  no one is buying that, here's another sherm telling us it's all not real... let me tell you, racism is real, disaffection is real, and there is nothing about our capitalist system that is interested in raising educated minorities. Ahem,too educatedminorities.  I'm not for changing capitalism, i'm for using government to change the equation of capitalism and make dark-side psychology less profitable.. you know, taxing entertainment more, education less, all the good stuff we should be doing while repubs. scream for lower taxes, period, just to illustrate how misguided their understanding of the value of government actually is. Someone tells you disadvantageous situations aren't really happening, you can feel free to ignore them; they dont have knowledge, they've onlygiven up.

This is an old story 10lb, not a new one. Tune in.


I believe that the government should be smaller rather than larger. The Government farks up far more than it actually helps.
 
2013-02-18 12:29:54 AM  

Radioactive Ass: GF named my left testicle thundercles: if i recall correctly from the bureau of justice statistics ,  about 50% of all murder victims and murders are black, but blacks are 13% of the overall population.

And yet it's the racist court systems fault that there are so many blacks in prison... The willful disconnect that some people show is amazing to me.


i dont know the answers or the reasons. i honestly dont. but certainly there are communities that need alot of help.
 
2013-02-18 12:31:22 AM  
If I had to put a FACE on the root cause of the CULTURE that drives criminality in the black community...

upload.wikimedia.org

THIS would be that face.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:15 AM  

lamecomedian: Z-clipped: lohphat: Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.

You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.   Have you ever actually  been to Rio, or did you just pull this out of your ass?  Yes, the rate there dropped recently, but it's on its way back up again.  This is just an idiotic example.

India has a slightly lower homicide rate than we do, but they also have a MUCH lower Gini coefficient.  Calcutta happens to have an unusually low crime rate, even for India, but the fact that outlying data exists doesn't make what I said wrong.  Poverty (especially relative poverty) is generally the largest factor in crime rates.  Combating poverty is the most efficient solution to the problem.

The Gini coefficient is not a measure of poverty, it's a measure of wealth inequality.  Two countries can have the same GCo, but have very different standards of living.

Once again: poverty is not the main factor driving crime rates.


Yes, I know what Gini represents. Wealth disparity is germane to the topic.

Also, news articles that say "it's cold today, so global warning is a myth" are no substitute for peer-reviewed studies. I'd link, but I'm on my mobile and it's a pain. A quick search on google scholar for "poverty crime rates" will show a preponderance of data to support what I'm saying.

Poverty is certainly not the only factor in crime rates, but the two are too strongly correlated to ignore. (Unless of course you have an axe to grind, and don't care about reality.) Your flat denial that they are related is intellectually dubious at best.
 
2013-02-18 12:36:13 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: i dont know the answers or the reasons. i honestly dont. but certainly there are communities that need alot of help.


There needs to be an internal cultural shift within those communities. Until that happens nothing of significance will ever change. Throwing money and resources at the problem won't work until that cultural shift happens.Guys like the one in TFA know this and are having to resort to shock tactics in order to try and get people to listen to the message.
 
2013-02-18 12:42:47 AM  

olddinosaur: Should have earned the HERO tag.

Blacks killing blacks have been the major source of death in the black community for decades, yet any attempt to rectify it is immediately dubbed "racist!"

People who offer common sense solutions like Star Parker and the Rev. Jesse Petersen preach to their own choirs, while people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton get rich peddling hate.

Go figure.


Mentioning the elephant in the room is totally unacceptable.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:17 AM  
I'm going to dress as a whigga Crip to denounce white on white crime. White victims of white murderers are the largest murder victim group in America. Notify the media!

lesterhein.com
 
2013-02-18 12:56:46 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: pete1729: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

That's a good story.

Thanks :D
/Family history is weird. Awesome.


Who wants to be related to a bunch of boring people.
 
2013-02-18 12:58:01 AM  

GUTSU: I believe that the government should be smaller rather than larger. The Government farks up far more than it actually helps.


It's nice that you believe it, but can you prove it?

Germany has a very strong government; Kosovo, a very weak one.  In which land do people have a better quality of life?
 
2013-02-18 01:16:05 AM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-18 01:23:46 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you don't have to pay to have your child educated.


No, you're right. I can't pay to have my child educated, because I don't have one. However, I can (and do) pay to "educate" the children of others. It may be free to you, if you're a scum-sucking drain on society, but it isn't free to me, even though I can't use it. It isn't so much that I'm forced to pay at gunpoint; it's that the kids are not being educated even though we spend the most money per child in the world. That's what really burns me up. It's all being soaked away by administrators and, in some places, half or more of the "graduates" can't even read the discussion we're having.
 
2013-02-18 01:27:04 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Most dangerous place for a black baby in the US? in utero.


1) Ban birth control.
2) Ban abortion.
3) Abstinence-only edumakashun.
4) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.

Amos Quito: If I had to put a FACE on the root cause of the CULTURE that drives criminality in the black community...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x293]

THIS would be that face.


5) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
6) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.

tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.


7) Gut the public schools. You don't need an education to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
8) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
9) Abolish the minimum wage.
10) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
11) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
12) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
13) No ??? here, baby.
14) Profit!
 
2013-02-18 01:27:34 AM  

poot_rootbeer: GUTSU


is full of shiat.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans has the government ever done for us?

/ always look on the bright side of life, etc.
 
2013-02-18 01:28:06 AM  

poot_rootbeer: GUTSU: I believe that the government should be smaller rather than larger. The Government farks up far more than it actually helps.

It's nice that you believe it, but can you prove it?

Germany has a very strong government; Kosovo, a very weak one.  In which land do people have a better quality of life?


Cambodia under Pol Pot had a very strong government. Ancient Greece had a very weak one. In which setting would YOU rather live?
 
2013-02-18 01:31:17 AM  

fat boy: [i.imgur.com image 481x270]


Nah, that's a few seconds too late.

i1211.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-18 01:47:35 AM  

lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.


But enough about the Republican Party.
 
2013-02-18 01:51:15 AM  

untaken_name: Cambodia under Pol Pot had a very strong government. Ancient Greece had a very weak one. In which setting would YOU rather live?


Don't mistake a forceful government for a strong one.  Strong governments don't kill off 1/4 of their population and get ousted after three years.

/and weak governments don't conquer the Persian Empire.
 
2013-02-18 02:15:17 AM  

Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.


Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...
 
2013-02-18 02:45:23 AM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


Is it? Is it really?  Because there is a whole lot of hate in those crimes as well, and in both cases the victims do stay dead.
 
2013-02-18 02:51:02 AM  

seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...


A paper route. Right. Why don't you just say "I've never set foot in a real city in my pampered suburban life"?

Jesus farking christ.

When you're 10 years old and your mother doesn't buy groceries because she's too busy getting high, and the dealer down the street will pay you $50 a day to run errands, you're going to turn that money down so you can deliver non-existent papers to non-existent customers for $15 bucks a week? You have no idea what these kids' lives are like. No farking concept. By the time they can get legally hired at McDonalds, most inner city kids already know that that shiat's a scam, and that the deck is stacked against them.
 
2013-02-18 03:03:10 AM  

Snapper Carr: They would have killed more but they always had trouble seeing out of those hoods

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I know the movie was trying to be silly in parts, but it was set in 1858-9 and the damned klan wasn't even started then. Ans what's with them being in the Rockies and then the next day or so being in Tennessee and then right after being in the Rockies again? Silly.
 
2013-02-18 03:05:43 AM  

lohphat: Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny?


20th? Not as much. 19th? hell yes.
 
2013-02-18 03:37:03 AM  

Lsherm: I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.


You will enjoy this, trust me
 
2013-02-18 03:44:35 AM  

Z-clipped: By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.


You know who else grew up dirt poor in a shack? Abraham Lincoln.
 
2013-02-18 03:53:53 AM  

WeenerGord: Z-clipped: By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

You know who else grew up dirt poor in a shack? Abraham Lincoln.


Bill Clinton and Brack Obama didn't exactly start off with a silver spoon either, just to keep some modern relevance. Poverty isn't a reason, it's an excuse and a bad one at that.
 
2013-02-18 04:05:28 AM  

Z-clipped: You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.  They also happen to be one of the few developed countries in the world with a higher Gini coefficient than the US.



Black population becomes the majority in Brazil
 
2013-02-18 04:10:30 AM  

Lsherm: Bastard Toadflax: Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.

I had to, apologies to the thread:

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Lsherm got his Kids in the hall reference wrong, and it's a fact.

/I gotta dig up the show and watch it again now, that's also a fact.
 
2013-02-18 04:33:05 AM  

Z-clipped: You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.


www.reactiongifs.com

Z-clipped: When you're 10 years old and your mother doesn't buy groceries because she's too busy getting high, and the dealer down the street will pay you $50 a day to run errands, you're going to turn that money down so you can deliver non-existent papers to non-existent customers for $15 bucks a week? You have no idea what these kids' lives are like


And how the fark is yo momma gettin stoned, the white man's fault? Know what it's gonna take to change? Y'all have to stop blamin the white man for every damn thing that the black man does, and take responsibility fo ya own shiat, and start actin right.

Do you understand the words that are comin out of my mouth?
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2013-02-18 04:35:21 AM  
The entire article in 34 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
 
2013-02-18 04:50:43 AM  

WeenerGord: Z-clipped: By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.

You know who else grew up dirt poor in a shack? Abraham Lincoln.


Yeah, that's a myth.  Lincoln's dad Thomas was actually a pretty wealthy man when he (Abe) was born.  He just had some financial difficulties during Abe's childhood.  Lincoln's mom got sick and died when he was a kid, and he certainly didn't come from a wealthy family, but he wasn't ever "dirt poor".
 
2013-02-18 05:06:12 AM  

WeenerGord: And how the fark is yo momma gettin stoned, the white man's fault?


You idiots really need to let this shiat go.  Nobody's blaming you personally for anything, or asking your well-fed ass to "feel guilty" .  Get off the cross.  I'm talking about lowering crime and strengthening the American economy by making education available to everyone who has something to contribute.

You see this?:

assets.motherjones.com

Yeah.  Fark those people.   It's time they paid their fair share.

Lee Jackson Beauregard: 7) Gut the public schools. You don't need an education to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
8) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
9) Abolish the minimum wage.
10) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
11) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
12) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
13) No ??? here, baby.
14) Profit!


15)

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2013-02-18 06:23:56 AM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


Yeah, killing someone because of the colors they wear is so much more understandable
 
2013-02-18 06:42:51 AM  

GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?


I imagine the racism still endemic in hiring practises is part of it (see repeated academic studies that show just putting a "black" or "hispanic" name on exactly the same resume causes it to be half as likely to be called to interview).
 
2013-02-18 07:37:22 AM  

PsiChick: How about 'what the fark is that first part of your first sentence supposed to mean?'. He's not saying the Klan were good, he's saying maybe his culture should stop trying to kill each other, which doesn't have anything to do with history, and I fail to see what it has to do with 'reality being politically incorrect'.


Let me try to spell out what I said so that you can think on it more ~ "History and reality are politically incorrect".

The KKK is very politically incorrect, in fact they are considered one of the great boogy man's of history (they were a terrorist organization). The journalist risked their professional career, personal safety and standing in their community to make a point about adding perspective about this (I give the journalist a lot of credit).

The politically incorrect fact is that the blacks threaten, inflict violence upon, and kill far more blacks, and do so on a far more routine basis than the KKK ever did. Saying that fact is something that can end many peoples careers, yet until people address this source of violence it will remain. The journalist wanted to reduce to black on black on violent crime and risked everything in attempt to do so and they deserve credit accordingly.

I've spelled this out as much as I can for you and I stand behind my statement. "History and reality are politically incorrect".
 
2013-02-18 08:35:47 AM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.


Lead?  Maybe it's a combination of some of the most crushing poverty in the first world and the fact that, being first world, we've been pretty continuously poisoning ourselves, particularly in the cities, for about 75 years now.
 
2013-02-18 08:48:07 AM  

wildcardjack: anti-drug laws enacted by Klansmen in the 1920's and 30's


Just a second here, Sparky.  I just heard a story about this on NPR.

It's the Rockefeller Drug Laws that are the worst, signed into law in 1973.  It's the "let's get tough on crime" attitude...madatory 15yr (to life) sentencing, even on the first offense.  These laws have put a lotta people in jail serving disproportionate sentences, and thus a whole lotta families have suffered.  Oh, and statistically speaking...the two demographics that seem to have a lot more convictions than others are...?  If you guessed Black and Hispanic, you win the prize.

And last time I checked, Nelson Rockefeller was not associated with the KKK.
 
2013-02-18 09:19:33 AM  

poot_rootbeer: untaken_name: Cambodia under Pol Pot had a very strong government. Ancient Greece had a very weak one. In which setting would YOU rather live?

Don't mistake a forceful government for a strong one.  Strong governments don't kill off 1/4 of their population and get ousted after three years.

/and weak governments don't conquer the Persian Empire.


Oh, so your personal definition of "strong" involves longevity and is the one everyone else should use. Well, ok. See how well that works out for you in life, son.
 
2013-02-18 09:20:33 AM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: Lsherm: Bastard Toadflax: Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.

I had to, apologies to the thread:

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Lsherm got his Kids in the hall reference wrong, and it's a fact.

/I gotta dig up the show and watch it again now, that's also a fact.


Meh, I got it a little out of order:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDTZcj8Xink
 
2013-02-18 09:56:39 AM  

seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...


Clueless farkhead is clueless
 
2013-02-18 10:34:25 AM  

Z-clipped: seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...

A paper route. Right. Why don't you just say "I've never set foot in a real city in my pampered suburban life"?

Jesus farking christ.

When you're 10 years old and your mother doesn't buy groceries because she's too busy getting high, and the dealer down the street will pay you $50 a day to run errands, you're going to turn that money down so you can deliver non-existent papers to non-existent customers for $15 bucks a week? You have no idea what these kids' lives are like. No farking concept. By the time they can get legally hired at McDonalds, most inner city kids already know that that shiat's a scam, and that the deck is stacked against them.


I delivered The Plain Dealer in inner-city Cleveland, not the suburbs... had three apartment buildings my brother and I used to do every morning and totaled about 85 subscribers.  What?? Don't you think people in the city get a newspaper? Jesus farking Christ are you dense ...
 
2013-02-18 11:06:16 AM  

lohphat: ihateyousomuch.jpg


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2013-02-18 12:14:00 PM  

Z-clipped: You idiots really need to let this shiat go.  Nobody's blaming you personally for anything, or asking your well-fed ass to "feel guilty" .  Get off the cross.  I'm talking about lowering crime and strengthening the American economy by making education available to everyone who has something to contribute.

You see this?:Yeah.  Fark those people.   It's time they paid their fair share.



Yes you did blame whites, you s.o.b. And then you continue to blame whites, and furthermore, attempt to guilt and extort even more money from the people who have it. Again, it aint the white man's faults, if, as you claim, yo momma was too stoned to adequately parent you. And it aint because you had no money  either, if yo momma was spending enough money on drugs to be passed out on the couch all day, and if you was gettin 50 dollas per "errand" that you local drug dealer sent you on.

It aint the white mans fault, its you.

It's YOU
 
2013-02-18 12:28:49 PM  
wmbriggs.com

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:13 PM  
Or would you prefer to blame Presidents?

If so, note the massive rise in murders under LBJ and RMN, with the corresponded massive fall under the Reefer Man, Bill Clinton.

Clearly Republicans cause people to use illegal drugs.

Democrats, conversely, mellow people out, like Carter and Clinton did.

As for Reagan-Bush, my response to that objection is that Reagan was, is and always will be a Hollywood liberal, at least compared to any Republicans before or after him. Bush, of course, is still a wimp.
 
2013-02-18 12:33:22 PM  
But isn't "black on black" violence just regular old "people who live near each other" violence? If two rednecks fight over a girl/meth lab/whatever and shoot each other, it's not "white on white" violence. It's neighborhood stuff...two low-rent "gangs" fight for a 5-block radius, and it stays that way. Blacks kill each other in black neighborhoods, Latins kill each other in Latin neighborhoods, and whites kill each other in white neighborhoods. That doesn't make them racially motivated.

The Klan was racially motivated. What this guy's fighting against is...population density?

It just seems like a weird angle. Lower the percentage of young black males that commit crimes? Awesome. Get their staggering correctional system rates down? Awesome. Graduate more from high school and college? Awesome. Increase rates of two-parent homes in black families? Wonderful. All of those things would be great. We should fight for those things. But a false equivocation with racist dicks from 100 years ago isn't going to do it.
 
2013-02-18 12:34:05 PM  
Anyone consider that blacks as a race may tend to be more violent/criminal than other races?

If that happens to be the case, than it is easier to understand "racism" of the past. "Racism" can then be defined at respondsible people trying different methods to protect their communities. That is, until they had the means to move to the suburbs.

Naw. That's too simplistic.
Whitey is the evil.
 
2013-02-18 12:48:19 PM  
Ice T and Public Enemy made the same "black on black crime kills more than the KKK" point in the mid 90s.
 
2013-02-18 12:55:01 PM  
Personally I'm not going to listen to this malarky about responsibility until some good white person sits me down and explains, preferably with lots of references to the Black community so that I know he means me.
 
2013-02-18 01:07:09 PM  
Thesis:  There is a vast array of genetic, cultural and environmental factors involved in the genesis of violence and homicide.

Despite the great disparity between murder rates among young black males and old white females, genetics is the lest compelling and powerful of these numerous factors in explaining and preventing violence.

Ask yourself: how does a gene pick up a knife? how does it steal a gun? Can you point to a gene that does this? can you prove it is in the criminally violent, but not in those who go through blameless lives or work as soldiers and cops?

Although 96% or more of the violent crimes of murder and rape are committed by men, it is unlikely that there is a gene for murder on the Y chromosome. Instead, there is an interplay between genes that control hormones like testosterone (which is found in women as well as men), and environment and culture.

I was not joking when I proposed hypothesis one (drugs). Drugs play an immense role in all crimes, and  more probably, in all fark and stupidity. Also, demographics are clearly important factors which we can, fortunately, control for when considering crime. Most crimes are committed by men, most violent crimes more so, most violent crimes are specifically committed by young men between the ages of 16 and 25 or 35, if you'd rather.

Blacks don't live as long in America as they do in Cuba. It's not surprising that the crime rate in America is massively higher than the crime rate in Cuba. Culture, environment, and genes (or epi-genetic factors).

The genes of African Cubans are pretty much the same as the genes of African Americans. In fact, there's a considerable over lap. But the crime rates are statistically different and quite significantly so.

As for the CIA and FBI, it may sound like a conspiracy theory, but it is a conspiracy theory with an unusual amount of evidence behind it. The CIA and FBI are the agencies that are charged with fighting the international and domestic illegal drug trades. Where would you expect corruption and double-dealing and the targeting of the weakest links? Where would you expect the CIA and FBI to set up their massive collection of dummy corporations--only to find crime so profitable that they cease to direct it against the bad guys and become self-financing crypto-governments in their own right?

But even leaving out this kind of evidence for quasi-genocidal prejudice, the big factors are age and sex.

Black people are not response for 96% of the violent crime. Men are. Any argument that you can bring to bear on the problem in terms of race is several orders of magnitude more relevant to the Male Problem.

Black people are not the key demographic. Young men are. It just happens that the white race is overwhelming past breeding age, as well as more bourgeois, rich and healthy.

The effects of stress on a population are not limited to their present situation. A lot of scientific evidence has been accumulated that shows that stress not only affects the upbringing of children, but their formation in the womb, and the formation of their life-chances even before conception.

I used the word epigenetic. Genes are not the full story. There are several important mechanisms that extend the power of genes across an individuals life and even across generations. For example, genes can be switched off and on by methylation, which is the addition of a methyl group to a bit of genetic code to tell the machinery that transcribes it to ignore the code. It is like a note that says "EMBARGOED FOR PUBLICATION".

A study of Swedes found that those who had grandmothers who experience famine during their childhood suffered consequences even after the elimination of other factors. Some how the stress of famine affected the women, their children, and even their grandchildren. Most likely this was epigenetic.

Fathers who drink or smoke have children who have worse health outcomes, even if they aren't smoking in the presence of the children.

And so forth.

There are thousands of things which influence the lives of people for generations. Like slavery, for example.

Even when the stress stops, the ways the stress has altered the bodies and minds of living organism can have effects generations later.

And let's face it. The black experience in America is pure stress, from the trauma of being enslaved to the trauma of living in a bad neighborhood.

Drugs explain a really big chunk of human stupidity and suffering. The biology of the young male explains another big chunk. And a variety of genetic, epigenetic, historical, environmental and cultural factors, would, if we could sort them out in individual cases or even statistically, explain the rest.

Everything which is, is that way because it became that way.

And so it is with violent crime. You can see from the graph I posted above when the homicide rates became that way. And the timing points a finger at drugs, at law enforcement (and politics), and at demographics. These are the big factors in what seems to be a temporary spike in violent crime from say, 1965 to 1995.

That's history now, but still people insist on looking at the problem through non-historical filters without asking how it became that way.

I can tell you one thing:  it did not become the same way in Havana as in Miami. It did not happen quite as badly in Canada as in America.

What puts a gun into the hands of a young man? I'm pretty damn sure it isn't genes, and thus isn't race. A holistic approach to the problem would almost certainly confirm the interplay of genetics, epigenetics, environment and culture, and we have the power to control all of those in ways to eliminate not only the crime, but the discrimination and tomfoolery that persists in willfully misunderstanding how the world works.

Since a holistic approach is probably a non-starter, the accumulation of evidence for the various factors will have to do. With age and sex, you have already half answered the question of what causes some to kill. Alcohol, drugs and other pollutants of body and soul are most of what is left.

We all know that the vast majority of accidents and crimes involved alcohol or drug abuse. Why can't we all retain that knowledge when race and crime are discussed?
 
2013-02-18 01:08:14 PM  

brantgoose: [wmbriggs.com image 600x450]

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.


I am reminded of Bart Simpson- "We need another Vietnam; that would out their ranks a little."
 
2013-02-18 01:36:54 PM  

brantgoose: [wmbriggs.com image 600x450]

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.


Hypothesis:  variance looks large when the numbers are really small and you zoom the graph way in.
 
2013-02-18 01:42:06 PM  
Funny. If I had mentioned the facts in that article I'd have been called racist, ignorant and told how facts and figures are easily manipulated concerning Blacks by the White Man.

Since the author is Black, everything he said is just fine.

Heck, I noticed all of that stuff years back and pretty well stopped mentioning it after repeatedly getting slammed with heated denials, outrage and accusations of being a rabid racist.

What the guy said is true though. As a courier I used to deliver in a high crime Black community and noticed that they preyed on each other. I'd deliver to a residential, section where most homes looked like crap -- but when the door opened, they were spic and span inside. I asked a Black lady I delivered to about it and she informed me that thieves tended not to target homes that looked like they didn't have anything of value inside.

The incidents of neighbor stealing from neighbor were high.

Then came the Bold Black Woman movement, where essentially, a simple question or statement could trigger a fight anywhere.

When I worked in a psychiatric clinic, I quickly noticed racial bias directed by the Black attendants towards the White patients and the supervisory staff did little about it. Each time they tried, it nearly started a race riot.

I used to see Black attendants walking off with clinic supplies, like reams of copy paper, packs of light bulbs, stacks of TP and other Black employees never said a word. Bring up the subject and you faced instant hostility, got classified as a racist and faced many arguments justifying their actions.

It became easier just to STFU and ignore it to avoid conflict that could last days.

I figured that at least 50% of their poor attitude came from treating each other like s**t.

I used to deliver to these Mom and Pop little stores that popped up in converted homes in the Black residential communities. I recall one run by this old Black lady who seemed about 80 and frail, to whom I kept delivering packages from high end clothing stores -- not for her store either.

She kept a .44 mag hand cannon under the register. Every window had burglar bars on it. She would get real alert when Black kids came into the store.

When I delivered to low rent projects, I'd find rap music blaring loudly from all over, neighbors shouting conversations to each other from different floors, graffiti on the walls and elevators heavily vandalized. Living in those places, I decided, must have been hell.

By the time I was getting ready to change jobs, the owners had shut down one big project and were getting ready to tear it down. Too much crime. Too much damage. Too much hostility.

They all biatched about it, but no one seemed willing to work hard enough to make any real changes.
It was also the only area where I found a chain grocery store, with one set of entrance doors bolted shut, meaning everyone had to enter and leave though the other set. There were armed guards inside and a life guard-like tower set up out front -- where a security guard watched the parking lot.

The place was Black owned, Black managed and right in the middle of the Black community.

When I've commented on this, I'm usually called racist. So, go right ahead, but the observations are real. BTW. I was all for equal rights and desegregation back in the day and I got called similar things for my observations, on my own race.
 
2013-02-18 01:44:21 PM  

stirfrybry: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Yeah, killing someone because of the colors they wear is so much more understandable


maggoo: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Is it? Is it really?  Because there is a whole lot of hate in those crimes as well, and in both cases the victims do stay dead.


likeahawk: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?


Etc.

Yes, it is different.

I'm sorry to bring such ugliness to the thread, but here's how the Klan and those like them killed innocent Black people-- Not gangbangers, or people who lived a violent life, but innocent folks just trying to live their life:

arthuride.files.wordpress.com
worldsfamousphotos.com
i39.tinypic.com

The difference is that these people weren't just shot in the street, dying right there and having a relatively merciful end. These people were kidnapped, bound, gagged, tortured, beaten, hanged, stabbed, mutilated, dragged, and finally burned.

And they weren't dead for most of that.

So YES! HELL YES it's a world of difference! The people killed by the Klan were terrorized not because of the gang they joined or someone stealing their stuff, but simply because they committed the "crime" of being Black in the wrong place. Most of them weren't simply shot in the head. Oh no. Most of them suffered for hours or even  days before being killed in the most horrific manner possible.

Most of the Black-on-Black murder we're discussing today takes place between people who are BOTH armed and in conflict with each other. Yes, some innocent victims and bystanders are killed, but they are not targeted simply for the color of their skin. They are not tortured to death.

Even if you don't take into account the hatred of the KKK or racist mobs, and the utter powerlessness of the victims as they witness the local police taking part in their slow execution, you can't possibly say that being the victim of gun violence on the streets is even  remotely  the same as being captured, tortured, and slowly killed with fire or being hanged until dead.
 
2013-02-18 01:58:41 PM  

onyxruby: PsiChick: How about 'what the fark is that first part of your first sentence supposed to mean?'. He's not saying the Klan were good, he's saying maybe his culture should stop trying to kill each other, which doesn't have anything to do with history, and I fail to see what it has to do with 'reality being politically incorrect'.

Let me try to spell out what I said so that you can think on it more ~ "History and reality are politically incorrect".

The KKK is very politically incorrect, in fact they are considered one of the great boogy man's of history (they were a terrorist organization). The journalist risked their professional career, personal safety and standing in their community to make a point about adding perspective about this (I give the journalist a lot of credit).

The politically incorrect fact is that the blacks threaten, inflict violence upon, and kill far more blacks, and do so on a far more routine basis than the KKK ever did. Saying that fact is something that can end many peoples careers, yet until people address this source of violence it will remain. The journalist wanted to reduce to black on black on violent crime and risked everything in attempt to do so and they deserve credit accordingly.

I've spelled this out as much as I can for you and I stand behind my statement. "History and reality are politically incorrect".


The second bit I get--although I would disagree with your premise, people don't discuss African-American violence specifically because the root cause is poverty, and bringing African-Americans into it is sort of pointless when the same thing happens with almost any other ethnic group that happens to make up the majority of the poor people in a given area--but the first bit? 'Put in perspective'? We don't demonize the KKK because they have a high death toll, we demonize them because of what they stood for--and, worse, because America  supported that kind of thinking. It's not exactly nuanced, but it's America's way of remembering not to do that shiat again.

/I don't think the journalist will have major problems, though. Controversial statements make for great careers.
 
2013-02-18 02:40:19 PM  
It's cool, they got N word privledges so it's all good.
 
2013-02-18 03:30:03 PM  

ZeroCorpse: stirfrybry: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Yeah, killing someone because of the colors they wear is so much more understandable

maggoo: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Is it? Is it really?  Because there is a whole lot of hate in those crimes as well, and in both cases the victims do stay dead.

likeahawk: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?

Etc.

Yes, it is different.

I'm sorry to bring such ugliness to the thread, but here's how the Klan and those like them killed innocent Black people-- Not gangbangers, or people who lived a violent life, but innocent folks just trying to live their life:

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The difference is that these people weren't just shot in the street, dying right there and having a relatively merciful end. These people were kidnapped, bound, gagged, tortured, beaten, hanged, stabbed, mutilated, dragged, and finally burned.

And they weren't dead for most of that.

So YES! HELL YES it's a world of difference! The people killed by the Klan were terrorized not because of the gang they joined or someone stealing their stuff, but simply because they committed the "crime" of being Black in the wrong place. Most of them weren't simply shot in the head. Oh no. Most of them suffered for hours or even  days before being killed in the most horrific manner possible.

Most of the Black-on-Black murder we're discussing today takes place between people who are BOTH armed and in conflict with each other. Yes, some innocent victims and bystanders are killed, but they are not targeted simply for the color of their skin. The ...


/disagree.  black on black is much worse than white on black.  GL with your crusade though.
 
2013-02-18 07:46:44 PM  

brantgoose: [wmbriggs.com image 600x450]

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.


The latest hypothesis (and quite a good one) is that lead in gasoline led ot the alarming rise in homicidal violence.
 
2013-02-18 08:33:03 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...

Clueless farkhead is clueless


He is also 100% correct.

You knew, of course, that white and black families, with the same family income, will have a large gap in scholastic performance for instance, right? Guess which family tends to do better in school? Has nothing to do with money, everything to do with culture.
 
2013-02-18 09:11:53 PM  

Z-clipped: You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.


You're moving the goalposts.

You're comparing per capita and since the country is in general poorer than the US their per capita will be higher.

Just compare racially segregated poor populations. The US has different rates by race/culture group of the poor. e.g compare poor black vs hispanic vs asian poor populations in the US and you'll get very different numbers.
 
2013-02-19 10:04:03 AM  
farking incredible the mental gymnastics some people will do to avoid any thought or conclusion that could be labeled as "racist".
 
2013-02-19 07:45:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: Reverend Monkeypants: seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...

Clueless farkhead is clueless

He is also 100% correct.

You knew, of course, that white and black families, with the same family income, will have a large gap in scholastic performance for instance, right? Guess which family tends to do better in school? Has nothing to do with money, everything to do with culture.


If by "culture" you mean location and surroundings then sure.  Those italians and irish didn't dig themselves out of the ghetto by working their asses off legally.  They left the ghettos first THEN worked their asses off.  Grandpa couldn't afford a house on Long Island until he left the city and got a job building fighter planes.  Before that it was inner-city work.  Hell, he literally ran whiskey during prohibition.

Also, let's talk about poor trailer park edumacations.......
 
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