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(JSOnline)   Black journalist dresses as Klansman to denounce black-on-black violence, which kills more black men every 6 months than the KKK ever killed in its whole history put together   (jsonline.com) divider line 211
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2013-02-18 01:36:54 PM  

brantgoose: [wmbriggs.com image 600x450]

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.


Hypothesis:  variance looks large when the numbers are really small and you zoom the graph way in.
 
2013-02-18 01:42:06 PM  
Funny. If I had mentioned the facts in that article I'd have been called racist, ignorant and told how facts and figures are easily manipulated concerning Blacks by the White Man.

Since the author is Black, everything he said is just fine.

Heck, I noticed all of that stuff years back and pretty well stopped mentioning it after repeatedly getting slammed with heated denials, outrage and accusations of being a rabid racist.

What the guy said is true though. As a courier I used to deliver in a high crime Black community and noticed that they preyed on each other. I'd deliver to a residential, section where most homes looked like crap -- but when the door opened, they were spic and span inside. I asked a Black lady I delivered to about it and she informed me that thieves tended not to target homes that looked like they didn't have anything of value inside.

The incidents of neighbor stealing from neighbor were high.

Then came the Bold Black Woman movement, where essentially, a simple question or statement could trigger a fight anywhere.

When I worked in a psychiatric clinic, I quickly noticed racial bias directed by the Black attendants towards the White patients and the supervisory staff did little about it. Each time they tried, it nearly started a race riot.

I used to see Black attendants walking off with clinic supplies, like reams of copy paper, packs of light bulbs, stacks of TP and other Black employees never said a word. Bring up the subject and you faced instant hostility, got classified as a racist and faced many arguments justifying their actions.

It became easier just to STFU and ignore it to avoid conflict that could last days.

I figured that at least 50% of their poor attitude came from treating each other like s**t.

I used to deliver to these Mom and Pop little stores that popped up in converted homes in the Black residential communities. I recall one run by this old Black lady who seemed about 80 and frail, to whom I kept delivering packages from high end clothing stores -- not for her store either.

She kept a .44 mag hand cannon under the register. Every window had burglar bars on it. She would get real alert when Black kids came into the store.

When I delivered to low rent projects, I'd find rap music blaring loudly from all over, neighbors shouting conversations to each other from different floors, graffiti on the walls and elevators heavily vandalized. Living in those places, I decided, must have been hell.

By the time I was getting ready to change jobs, the owners had shut down one big project and were getting ready to tear it down. Too much crime. Too much damage. Too much hostility.

They all biatched about it, but no one seemed willing to work hard enough to make any real changes.
It was also the only area where I found a chain grocery store, with one set of entrance doors bolted shut, meaning everyone had to enter and leave though the other set. There were armed guards inside and a life guard-like tower set up out front -- where a security guard watched the parking lot.

The place was Black owned, Black managed and right in the middle of the Black community.

When I've commented on this, I'm usually called racist. So, go right ahead, but the observations are real. BTW. I was all for equal rights and desegregation back in the day and I got called similar things for my observations, on my own race.
 
2013-02-18 01:44:21 PM  

stirfrybry: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Yeah, killing someone because of the colors they wear is so much more understandable


maggoo: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Is it? Is it really?  Because there is a whole lot of hate in those crimes as well, and in both cases the victims do stay dead.


likeahawk: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?


Etc.

Yes, it is different.

I'm sorry to bring such ugliness to the thread, but here's how the Klan and those like them killed innocent Black people-- Not gangbangers, or people who lived a violent life, but innocent folks just trying to live their life:

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The difference is that these people weren't just shot in the street, dying right there and having a relatively merciful end. These people were kidnapped, bound, gagged, tortured, beaten, hanged, stabbed, mutilated, dragged, and finally burned.

And they weren't dead for most of that.

So YES! HELL YES it's a world of difference! The people killed by the Klan were terrorized not because of the gang they joined or someone stealing their stuff, but simply because they committed the "crime" of being Black in the wrong place. Most of them weren't simply shot in the head. Oh no. Most of them suffered for hours or even  days before being killed in the most horrific manner possible.

Most of the Black-on-Black murder we're discussing today takes place between people who are BOTH armed and in conflict with each other. Yes, some innocent victims and bystanders are killed, but they are not targeted simply for the color of their skin. They are not tortured to death.

Even if you don't take into account the hatred of the KKK or racist mobs, and the utter powerlessness of the victims as they witness the local police taking part in their slow execution, you can't possibly say that being the victim of gun violence on the streets is even  remotely  the same as being captured, tortured, and slowly killed with fire or being hanged until dead.
 
2013-02-18 01:58:41 PM  

onyxruby: PsiChick: How about 'what the fark is that first part of your first sentence supposed to mean?'. He's not saying the Klan were good, he's saying maybe his culture should stop trying to kill each other, which doesn't have anything to do with history, and I fail to see what it has to do with 'reality being politically incorrect'.

Let me try to spell out what I said so that you can think on it more ~ "History and reality are politically incorrect".

The KKK is very politically incorrect, in fact they are considered one of the great boogy man's of history (they were a terrorist organization). The journalist risked their professional career, personal safety and standing in their community to make a point about adding perspective about this (I give the journalist a lot of credit).

The politically incorrect fact is that the blacks threaten, inflict violence upon, and kill far more blacks, and do so on a far more routine basis than the KKK ever did. Saying that fact is something that can end many peoples careers, yet until people address this source of violence it will remain. The journalist wanted to reduce to black on black on violent crime and risked everything in attempt to do so and they deserve credit accordingly.

I've spelled this out as much as I can for you and I stand behind my statement. "History and reality are politically incorrect".


The second bit I get--although I would disagree with your premise, people don't discuss African-American violence specifically because the root cause is poverty, and bringing African-Americans into it is sort of pointless when the same thing happens with almost any other ethnic group that happens to make up the majority of the poor people in a given area--but the first bit? 'Put in perspective'? We don't demonize the KKK because they have a high death toll, we demonize them because of what they stood for--and, worse, because America  supported that kind of thinking. It's not exactly nuanced, but it's America's way of remembering not to do that shiat again.

/I don't think the journalist will have major problems, though. Controversial statements make for great careers.
 
2013-02-18 02:40:19 PM  
It's cool, they got N word privledges so it's all good.
 
2013-02-18 03:30:03 PM  

ZeroCorpse: stirfrybry: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Yeah, killing someone because of the colors they wear is so much more understandable

maggoo: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

Is it? Is it really?  Because there is a whole lot of hate in those crimes as well, and in both cases the victims do stay dead.

likeahawk: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?

Etc.

Yes, it is different.

I'm sorry to bring such ugliness to the thread, but here's how the Klan and those like them killed innocent Black people-- Not gangbangers, or people who lived a violent life, but innocent folks just trying to live their life:

[arthuride.files.wordpress.com image 500x368]
[worldsfamousphotos.com image 500x383]
[i39.tinypic.com image 580x431]

The difference is that these people weren't just shot in the street, dying right there and having a relatively merciful end. These people were kidnapped, bound, gagged, tortured, beaten, hanged, stabbed, mutilated, dragged, and finally burned.

And they weren't dead for most of that.

So YES! HELL YES it's a world of difference! The people killed by the Klan were terrorized not because of the gang they joined or someone stealing their stuff, but simply because they committed the "crime" of being Black in the wrong place. Most of them weren't simply shot in the head. Oh no. Most of them suffered for hours or even  days before being killed in the most horrific manner possible.

Most of the Black-on-Black murder we're discussing today takes place between people who are BOTH armed and in conflict with each other. Yes, some innocent victims and bystanders are killed, but they are not targeted simply for the color of their skin. The ...


/disagree.  black on black is much worse than white on black.  GL with your crusade though.
 
2013-02-18 07:46:44 PM  

brantgoose: [wmbriggs.com image 600x450]

Hypothesis: It's the drugs.
Hypothesis: It's the demographics
Hypothesis: The CIA and FBI really did fund their covert operations by funneling illegal drugs such as coke, heroin and meth to the urban ghetos of America.


The latest hypothesis (and quite a good one) is that lead in gasoline led ot the alarming rise in homicidal violence.
 
2013-02-18 08:33:03 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...

Clueless farkhead is clueless


He is also 100% correct.

You knew, of course, that white and black families, with the same family income, will have a large gap in scholastic performance for instance, right? Guess which family tends to do better in school? Has nothing to do with money, everything to do with culture.
 
2013-02-18 09:11:53 PM  

Z-clipped: You've got to be kidding with this shiat.  Brazil is one of the top 20 countries in the world in homicide rate.  They have about 8 times the number of homicides per capita that the US has, much of it gang-related.


You're moving the goalposts.

You're comparing per capita and since the country is in general poorer than the US their per capita will be higher.

Just compare racially segregated poor populations. The US has different rates by race/culture group of the poor. e.g compare poor black vs hispanic vs asian poor populations in the US and you'll get very different numbers.
 
2013-02-19 10:04:03 AM  
farking incredible the mental gymnastics some people will do to avoid any thought or conclusion that could be labeled as "racist".
 
2013-02-19 07:45:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: Reverend Monkeypants: seadoo2006: Z-clipped: tenpoundsofcheese: Z-clipped: Assistance and education for poor and disadvantaged people (of all colours) would benefit everyone in the long run.

Yeah, maybe we should have a law that says that everyone gets a free K-12 education.

Yeah, because clearly that's sufficient.

You don't know fark all about what kids have to deal with to get through  K-12 in low income areas, so shut your trolling piehole.  The number of poor black kids with twice your IQ that end up in jail because they had to sell drugs to eat would blow your tiny, stupid mind.

Yes, they had to sell drugs ... because you know, running a paper route or doing household chores for neighbors is never an option in the inner city.  What ignorant piece of the US did you pop out of?

Nobody "has" to sell drugs ... they sell drugs because working for $4.95/hour at the local Mickey Ds isn't an option for the weak and the lazy.  However, give those same lazy assholes a .40ACP and some smack and they become kings of the streets.

Hood rats, the whole lot of them ... it's just pure laziness and greed and lack of strong family ties and work ethic.  At least the Irish and the Italians eventually realized they had to WORK themselves out of the ghettos ...

Clueless farkhead is clueless

He is also 100% correct.

You knew, of course, that white and black families, with the same family income, will have a large gap in scholastic performance for instance, right? Guess which family tends to do better in school? Has nothing to do with money, everything to do with culture.


If by "culture" you mean location and surroundings then sure.  Those italians and irish didn't dig themselves out of the ghetto by working their asses off legally.  They left the ghettos first THEN worked their asses off.  Grandpa couldn't afford a house on Long Island until he left the city and got a job building fighter planes.  Before that it was inner-city work.  Hell, he literally ran whiskey during prohibition.

Also, let's talk about poor trailer park edumacations.......
 
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