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2013-02-17 10:17:43 PM  
To those who want to compare the threat of lynching done decades ago in order to strike fear into the hearts of black people to todays black on black violence I'd think that there are plenty more black people in the slums, ghettos, hoods or whatever you want to call them that are in fear of their lives from black on black crime than there ever were from the KKK.

The hood thugs of today ARE the comparative equal to the KKK of yesteryear and are far more deadly and pervasive than the KKK ever was. That is this guys message.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:49 PM  

Lsherm: ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.

I'm not sure getting shot "because racism" is any worse than getting shot "because drug dealing."  You're still getting shot.


Nah, for the left it is about feelings and "thought crimes".  So someone getting shot because of druges (hey, nothing personal, bang) is a lot better off than someone getting shot due to racism (hey, bang).

And the Klan isn't creating the fear anymore - neighbors are.  That's arguably worse.


No argument there. it is a lot worse. It robs you of any sense of security and builds up paranoia big time.
 
2013-02-17 10:18:09 PM  
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And now for my next impression....Jesse Owens
 
2013-02-17 10:18:36 PM  
Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.
 
2013-02-17 10:20:42 PM  

GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?


Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?
 
2013-02-17 10:22:04 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.


why was your white uncle afraid of the klan?

were they his wifes sheets or his girlfriends or were they both.  I don't understand why you wrote "wifes/girlfriends"

what is a "choths line"?

are you drunk?
 
2013-02-17 10:23:13 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.


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2013-02-17 10:23:16 PM  
Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:29 PM  

MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?


No.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:39 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.


Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.
 
2013-02-17 10:23:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: The difference is why the Klan killed Black men. And it's all the difference in the world.


So the klan killed black men because they were black and black men kill other black men because of... wait what was it again?
 
2013-02-17 10:25:07 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.


are you for real?
you blame the war on drugs for the high level of black on black violence?
seriously?
 
2013-02-17 10:25:41 PM  

ScreamingHangover: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

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I don't think there was the extent of random bloodbaths then than there are now. The Mob used violence to maintain their control in the territories they controlled, they didn't gun down kids randomly on the street to preserve power, they seemed to have targeted their terror over directed individuals under their control.
 
2013-02-17 10:25:56 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.


Go on...
 
2013-02-17 10:26:04 PM  
Eh, as long as they're keeping it in their own 'hood.
 
2013-02-17 10:26:08 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.


I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.
 
2013-02-17 10:27:52 PM  

MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?


I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.
 
2013-02-17 10:29:19 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: Black people kill more black people than do left-handed white people named Calvin.

True fact.


I had to, apologies to the thread:

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2013-02-17 10:29:38 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Lynching?  Few to none.  Killing their "fellow" blacks and keeping other blacks fearful for their lives?  A lot given the black on black crime rate.
 
2013-02-17 10:29:45 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


You don't know much about how gangs work, do you?
 
2013-02-17 10:30:02 PM  
Should have earned the HERO tag.

Blacks killing blacks have been the major source of death in the black community for decades, yet any attempt to rectify it is immediately dubbed "racist!"

People who offer common sense solutions like Star Parker and the Rev. Jesse Petersen preach to their own choirs, while people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton get rich peddling hate.

Go figure.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:36 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.


You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:49 PM  

onyxruby: History and reality are politically incorrect and his point is spot on. His biggest threats will be from fellow blacks. Sad but there is nothing that you can safely say on this.


How about 'what the fark is that first part of your first sentence supposed to mean?'. He's not saying the Klan were  good, he's saying maybe his culture should stop trying to kill each other, which doesn't have anything to do with history, and I fail to see what it has to do with 'reality being politically incorrect'.
 
2013-02-17 10:37:53 PM  

lohphat: ScreamingHangover: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

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I don't think there was the extent of random bloodbaths then than there are now. The Mob used violence to maintain their control in the territories they controlled, they didn't gun down kids randomly on the street to preserve power, they seemed to have targeted their terror over directed individuals under their control.


Yeah: that's my point: here they were: persecuted minorities during a depression running massive drug rings (alcohol). Yet with a trivial amount of violence compared to what's going down today.
 
2013-02-17 10:38:04 PM  
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2013-02-17 10:38:05 PM  

Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.


bullshiat. my parents grew up in the days when the bulk of the country was dirt poor and hungry. people did what they had to do to put food on the table and it didn't include robbing stores, slinging dope on the street corner, shooting each other in bulk quantities and parenting six children with four babbys mommas. there is a huge difference between being poor and being a hoodlum.
 
2013-02-17 10:40:39 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.

I think a big difference is education, I mean, those communities were already established and with a lot of European middle class. Also there was no war on drugs which really brings up the violence.

Exactly -- that's why I don't it's poverty as the root cause per se as there are many cultures stuck in poverty who don't have the level of violence at the level the US black culture does -- honor killings of females notwithstanding. The War on Some Drugs has a lot to do with it: The risk/reward of big money when traditional paths to success aren't readily available has a huge impact.


i do think it's education and the importance of education. I mean I learned to read from my parents making me sit down and read everyday. when I was young.
But yea the war on drugs, yea we had neighbors in east Nashville that were running their house like a McDonald's for crack, I was so glad when they got busted because I was really afraid I was gonna wake up to gang style firefight next door one night.
 
2013-02-17 10:40:45 PM  

lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.


A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.
 
2013-02-17 10:41:21 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.


THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.
 
2013-02-17 10:42:01 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: I see this message.  The call for the ending of black-black shootings needs to end.

That said, the biggest part of this problem is that when there is little opportunity for legitimate employment, people resort to illegitimate employment.

Illegitimate employment means that there's an added business expense that involves lawyers, guns and money.   Which means guns get shot a lot.


Which decades of spending trillions of dollars in social welfare spending along with racial quotas and "affirmative action" have done nothing to correct.  It may have made it worse by replacing the traditional family sturcuture with government social programs.  Welfare went from being temporary assistance to a mutli-generational entitlement and career choice

It is a cultural problem that will not change until the culture is changed from one is which academic achievement is "acting white", the culture of thuggism is no longer celebrated by things like rap "music" and single motherhood is no longer the norm .
 
2013-02-17 10:42:35 PM  
Uhm, Klan violence against blacks was/is inspired purely by race. Black on black violence is typically inspired by something else. It's like claiming that I killed a man because he was white, not because he was screwing my wife.
 
2013-02-17 10:43:08 PM  
Most dangerous place for a black baby in the US? in utero.
 
2013-02-17 10:43:25 PM  

GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.


Not true.
I remember way back one of my friends made the mistake of wearing the SAME color sweater as Rodgers had on that day.
Never saw him after that day.
No one ever made that mistake again.
 
2013-02-17 10:47:52 PM  

ScreamingHangover: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Rufus Lee King: Well, I'e said it before, and I'll say it again:

If any of you "peace and love" white folks really want to take care of the racial problem, why don't you go to the nearest ghetto and tell the dudes on the street corners how much you love them, and share their concern for racial harmony.

Before you do this, however, be sure to stop and sign one of those "pre-need" things at your local funeral parlor.

You're exaggerating, they'll just get scammed for a few dollars and laughed at.

THIS

The dudes on the corner know they can safely rip off a white kid from the burbs, and the cops won't do much. However, kill a white kid, and the police will swarm that neighborhood like Bin Laden was back.



You're missing the point: Becuse some black people don't like white people, that means no one should care about racism in general.
 
2013-02-17 10:48:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.

Not true.
I remember way back one of my friends made the mistake of wearing the SAME color sweater as Rodgers had on that day.
Never saw him after that day.
No one ever made that mistake again.


See, white people kill you for wearing the same colors. Black people kill you for wearing different colors. Separate but equal.
 
2013-02-17 10:50:02 PM  
A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.
 
2013-02-17 10:50:56 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Gangs often use intimidation against other gangs merely by the color of their clothes.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:04 PM  
I have to say...this is one of the dumbest threads in the history of Fark.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:15 PM  
 
2013-02-17 10:52:04 PM  
Z-clipped:
A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.
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2013-02-17 10:52:10 PM  

Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.


Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?
 
2013-02-17 10:52:18 PM  

GUTSU: MagSeven: GUTSU: Now isn't this a touchy subject? Why are there a disproportionate number of homicides in the black community? Is it The Man keeping them down? A culture that objectifies women and praises violence? shiatty living conditions? Single mothers? Fluoride in the water?

Don't most cultures objectify women and praise violence?

I may have missed it when I was growing up, but Stan Rodgers never spoke of the virtues of "slappin' a ho ass biatch" or how wonderful dealing drugs and shooting people on your turf is.


Do you mean Stan Rogers? Meh. Should I listen to any 80s cock rock album or a high school locker room to see how all of white America views women? Pigeon hole all Muslims because some extremists still stone women? Watch primetime CSI type shows and think every inch of America is crawling with attempted criminal masterminds? Is that how this is supposed to work?

I'm just saying well before and since Rome, lots of cultures celebrate violence, whether it's through fighting, war, sport or celluloid entertainment now. And most cultures still make objects out of women. It is prevalent in poor/poor black communities, but it isn't exclusive by any means.
 
2013-02-17 10:53:21 PM  

Z-clipped: lohphat: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

I would say it's more of a culture problem. If you embrace violence and misogyny and reject education you're not going the break the cycle of poverty that encourages.

A culture of misogyny and violence? If this nonsense were true, there would be an epidemic of Republican-on-Republican murder.

By far, the biggest factor in violent crime rates is poverty.


The slums of Rio and Calcutta contain the poorest of the poor. Yes, there's violence, but not at the same scale as in the US's poor population.
 
2013-02-17 10:54:36 PM  

Lsherm: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.


I've read in Texas the klan would go after any social undesirables, black, white, jewish, even catholics at times.
 
2013-02-17 10:54:46 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: How many black men lynch other black men because they're black and the keep other blacks fearful for their lives?


Uh, why every black slave from Africa that was ever sold by other African blacks to whites, of course!

/whew! that was a close one!
 
2013-02-17 10:56:35 PM  

KrispyKritter: Shaggy_C: It's not a skin colour thing it is a poverty thing. Anyone who puts race at the forefront of the issue is missing the point.

bullshiat. my parents grew up in the days when the bulk of the country was dirt poor and hungry. people did what they had to do to put food on the table and it didn't include robbing stores, slinging dope on the street corner, shooting each other in bulk quantities and parenting six children with four babbys mommas. there is a huge difference between being poor and being a hoodlum.


Please don't tell me you're talking about the '30s.
 
2013-02-17 10:57:30 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Gergesa: A while ago I was interested in reading up on this (years ago, forget why) anyway an article or two I came across said it was white people's fault.  And by white people they meant everyone that wasn't black.

The argument ran something like this: black people kill black people because no one cares.  Black people can't kill members of another race because that brings police reprisal.  White people control the judiciary and will punish black people for killing anyone that isn't black.  Therefore white people are to blame for black on black violence.

Obviously it has been years since I read the article but that was pretty much the argument they were making.

Do you remember the source?  Was it "Idiots Guide to Idiotic Thoughts" ?


It was years ago and I'm not that interested in trying to dig it up.
 
2013-02-17 10:58:28 PM  

lohphat: tinfoil-hat maggie: Violence in poverty stricken areas imagine that, who would have thought.

Did the poor Irish, Italian, and Jewish ghettos of NY in the early 20th century have this level of violence and misogeny? Yeah there was the Mob but it even they had their standards of behavior.


Now I'm trying to figure out if you don't like black-on-woman violence or black-on-woman cooperative violence followed by babies.
 
2013-02-17 10:58:43 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Lsherm: tinfoil-hat maggie: Also I would just like to leave the story of a white great uncle in Texas here. He was a gambler and a drunk from all accounts and one night he hears a noise outside and wakes up in his booze soaked haze. He peers out the window and sees white sheets outside, and just knows the Klan has come to get him so he loads his shotgun, opens the door and fires into his wifes/girlfriends sheets that were on the cloths line drying.

I've been hella drunk before, but never once have I been so drunk I thought the Klan was coming to get me.  I usually got paranoid about house mice.  I hate mice.

I've read in Texas the klan would go after any social undesirables, black, white, jewish, even catholics at times.


Meh.  White Catholic living in the south.  The Klan isn't on my concern list.  Neither are black people.  Mice are.

People try to convert me all the time, but it's easy to shut them down.  No one is trying to kill me because I'm Catholic.  If anything, they just avoid me, which works out for all of us.
 
2013-02-17 10:59:28 PM  

Radioactive Ass: To those who want to compare the threat of lynching done decades ago in order to strike fear into the hearts of black people to todays black on black violence I'd think that there are plenty more black people in the slums, ghettos, hoods or whatever you want to call them that are in fear of their lives from black on black crime than there ever were from the KKK.

The hood thugs of today ARE the comparative equal to the KKK of yesteryear and are far more deadly and pervasive than the KKK ever was. That is this guys message.


There is, however, an issue of the type of deaths that were inflicted. Go to Wikipedia and type "lynching". Then read the entire page and be prepared to lose sleep.

Castrating blacks, shoving burning pokers into their eye sockets, amputating body parts, etc. I'd rather be shot.
 
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