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(The Atlantic)   The worst cities for single, college-educated women to find a decent man. The worst place? Sarasota, Florida, though you'd think anyone with an advanced degree would know well to stay well away from that state   (theatlantic.com) divider line 15
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2013-02-17 11:45:07 PM
3 votes:
So, many women "find themselves marrying down the educational ladder." Welcome (sincerely) to success, ladies! And welcome to the same dynamics your opposite gender has dealt with for generations. So quit whining. And if you're so educated (which doesn't equal smart) realize that just because a guy doesn't have the same degree as you, doesn't mean they're unsuccessful, or a knuckle-dragging, non-conversational loser.

I suspect that either some sisters need to get over themselves, or they need to fess up to the fact that they're really just shopping for a mommy-hood sponsor.
2013-02-17 11:44:54 PM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: TuteTibiImperes: I'm surprised at this:
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I would have assumed that at least over 50% of the population would have a bachelor's degree before 30.

Why does that surprise you? You saw the results of the last election, right?


True, I suppose in a more highly educated country Obama would have won in even more of a landslide.

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2013-02-17 11:20:11 PM
2 votes:

rugman11: This is mostly small(ish) cities with large universities


Yep. The point is, if you think half the population has a college degree, you're living in a bubble of all highly-educated folks.  It's 20-35% in major cities, and 15-25% in most smaller areas.  It's also not going to get to get to 50% of the population without demeaning any meaning left in the term "college degree".  It's not 50% in Germany, Japan, or anywhere else in the world.
2013-02-17 10:33:59 PM
2 votes:
Remember Ladies: if you don't marry "up", you've failed as a woman.
2013-02-17 09:46:21 PM
2 votes:
I'm a gal with a degree, happily paired with high school-educated guy.

Plenty off morons manage to get that piece of paper, and learning is something that smart, curious people pursue regardless of institutional setting.
2013-02-17 09:35:09 PM
2 votes:
On the flip side, as a male this list serves as a "best places to get laid" showcase.
2013-02-17 09:29:29 PM
2 votes:
"Are you a young, college-educated woman? Are you looking to settle down one day with a young, college-educated man? A word of advice: Stay away from Sarasota, Florida."

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2013-02-18 01:33:23 AM
1 votes:
rugman11:
I don't know if you could BE an electrician, but bringing Vo-Tech/Auto back to our high schools would probably be a good idea.  The problem is that most students are being told that it's college or bust and so many would ignore that possible route as being beneath them or not worth their time.

It's not the students that are being told "college or bust" by their schools, they're being told this by potential employers. One of the temp jobs I worked in the past year was converting 2d films to 3d using proprietary and off the shelf software (I'm a graphic artist with two degrees - graphic design and new media). A trained ape could handle the job after about 4 weeks, and be on the production floor in 6. Yet the only people this place hired were... college graduates with bachelor's degrees. For temp jobs. Temp contract jobs with no benefits and no paid days off (like christmas or new years).

They did this not because these college grads could handle these relatively simple jobs better, but because they were greedy. Those diplomas made this employer think they were actually getting a better deal for the measly pay they were offering these desperate people with thousands of dollars in student debt, satisfying their innate greed impulse like a "20% more!!" label on a box of corn flakes in the supermarket. And there were many degreed people lined up to take those jobs because of that debt.

You want to prevent the indoctrination of these kids into a "college at all costs" mindset? Start with the idiot employers who insist that front desk receptionists, clerks and personal assistants have bachelors' degrees.
2013-02-18 12:44:39 AM
1 votes:

rugman11: cptjeff: TuteTibiImperes: Perhaps we as a society could benefit from an increased emphasis on vo-tech/trade-school options for high-school aged students instead of trying to funnel everyone into a program designed to terminate in a college degree.

What we need to do that is fold that stuff back into high school, rather than forcing people to pay for it later. As I understand it, most high schools in the nation used to offer a pretty decent amount of vocational training. You could graduate high school and actually have the skills to work as something like an electrician. Now, we've taken that out of high schools, and forced people to to go to a community college- and pay money- if they want that training.

I don't know if you could BE an electrician, but bringing Vo-Tech/Auto back to our high schools would probably be a good idea.  The problem is that most students are being told that it's college or bust and so many would ignore that possible route as being beneath them or not worth their time.


I know the school district which I went through had a vocational high school, along with three general-purpose mainstream high schools.  Inside of my own high school there were three tracks - honors, college prep, and general-ed.  I didn't have a lot of interaction with the general-ed students, honors and college-prep shared some classes, but general-ed was sectioned off in a completely different area of the building.  The view amongst my peers at the time was the the vo-tech school was for those who weren't smart enough to handle real HS classes, but that was probably nothing more than silly HS student elitism stemming from ignorance about how things actually work.

Still, you are right in that there is certainly a stigma attached to going into a trade right out of school vs going to college, and it would probably be a tough sell for both parents and the students themselves to push for a technical/trade school education over a college-bound track coming right out of middle school.
2013-02-17 11:55:28 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: So if less than half of all HS graduates are going to go to college (or maybe just less than half graduate from college) it does make you wonder a bit about the structure of our current education system.  Perhaps we as a society could benefit from an increased emphasis on vo-tech/trade-school options for high-school aged students instead of trying to funnel everyone into a program designed to terminate in a college degree.


Reasonable.  Germany and Japan, among others, do substantially more of that than we do.

The biggest issue, from what I can tell, is that proper trade education, done right anyway, is actually decidedly more expensive per-pupil than "butt-in-desk" college-preparatory education.  The latter can be done very, very cheaply.  In Germany (and Japan pre-2003 or so... a lot has fallen off with the long stagnation), a lot of that training was in co-operation with major companies.  US companies don't want to train adults, let alone 16-year-olds. Particularly for jobs the next McKinsey cokehead might outsource tomorrow.  Where job training isn't directly in co-ops, it is often through trade guilds (unions).  Which are also basically dead in the US.

So, we don't have the business structure to offload it on industry.  And it's substantially cheaper to say, "we sat you in a desk for four years, you had the chance to go to college, if you messed it up too bad" than to actually fund job-centered education. So that's what we do.
2013-02-17 11:07:44 PM
1 votes:
Los Alamos, NM Micro Area63.9
Boulder, CO Metro Area57.7
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area51
Ithaca, NY Metro Area49.8
Silverthorne, CO Micro Area49.2
Lawrence, KS Metro Area48.8
Pullman, WA Micro Area48.1
Laramie, WY Micro Area48
Ames, IA Metro Area47.7
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area47.5
Corvallis, OR Metro Area47.4
Jackson, WY-ID Micro Area47
Iowa City, IA Metro Area45.4
Bozeman, MT Micro Area45.1
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area44.8
Columbia, MO Metro Area44.4
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area44
Edwards, CO Micro Area43.9
Moscow, ID Micro Area43.7
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area43.7
Durham-Chapel Hill, NC Metro Area43.3
Fort Collins-Loveland, CO Metro Area43.1
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area42.6
Charlottesville, VA Metro Area42.6
Raleigh-Cary, NC Metro Area41.9
Madison, WI Metro Area41.7
Starkville, MS Micro Area41.7
Vermillion, SD Micro Area41.7
Bloomington-Normal, IL Metro Area41.1
Durango, CO Micro Area41
Barnstable Town, MA Metro Area40.5

The bolded are all college towns or cities that house one or more major universities.  I just assumed that the US overall, and especially this generation, was more educated than it is.
2013-02-17 10:51:45 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I would have assumed that at least over 50% of the population would have a bachelor's degree before 30.


Out of 942 Census-recognized Metropolitan/Micropolitan areas in the US (-Puerto Rico), there are only 31 places where more than 40% of the population over the age of 25 has at least a Bachelor's degree.  For those keeping track at home, they are:

Los Alamos, NM Micro Area63.9
Boulder, CO Metro Area57.7
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area51
Ithaca, NY Metro Area49.8
Silverthorne, CO Micro Area49.2
Lawrence, KS Metro Area48.8
Pullman, WA Micro Area48.1
Laramie, WY Micro Area48
Ames, IA Metro Area47.7
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area47.5
Corvallis, OR Metro Area47.4
Jackson, WY-ID Micro Area47
Iowa City, IA Metro Area45.4
Bozeman, MT Micro Area45.1
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area44.8
Columbia, MO Metro Area44.4
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area44
Edwards, CO Micro Area43.9
Moscow, ID Micro Area43.7
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area43.7
Durham-Chapel Hill, NC Metro Area43.3
Fort Collins-Loveland, CO Metro Area43.1
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area42.6
Charlottesville, VA Metro Area42.6
Raleigh-Cary, NC Metro Area41.9
Madison, WI Metro Area41.7
Starkville, MS Micro Area41.7
Vermillion, SD Micro Area41.7
Bloomington-Normal, IL Metro Area41.1
Durango, CO Micro Area41
Barnstable Town, MA Metro Area40.5
2013-02-17 10:40:23 PM
1 votes:
most college girls are smart enough to spread their legs for a college boy and get a ring on that finger. the girls in this article are the stupid ones.
2013-02-17 10:25:27 PM
1 votes:
I call shenanigans. Simple stats like this one have a poor connection to the actual dating reality of a location. Raw numbers of age appropriate men and women need to be considered. I have lived in at least three regions that are "worse for woman" than Silicon Valley (San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Man Gap 8.93% rank 2nd best for women)  and never did I see so many guys dating mingers as I did in Silicon Valley. A couple of them were absolute trolls (mean and ugly). I will admit that Durham-Chapel Hill had some lookers though.
2013-02-17 10:23:45 PM
1 votes:
As a Sarasotan, and a reasonably attractive college-educated professional male, I can safely say that the single women in Sarasota are mainly interested wanna-be yuppie douchebags and elderly widowers.

Which is why I like to go down to Bradenton to pick up gash, they're easily impressed down there, not like snooty Sarasota women.
 
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