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2013-02-17 09:26:31 PM
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.

Mississippi? Learning?

Well, *that* makes a nice change.

But there was an asterisk beside Mississippi

Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?
 
2013-02-17 09:32:49 PM
I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.
 
2013-02-17 09:38:30 PM
They're just ahead of the curve for the time when it's revoked and people are auctioned off to cover their debts.
 
2013-02-17 09:59:43 PM
Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.
 
2013-02-17 10:12:35 PM
I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:56 PM

DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.


They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.
 
2013-02-17 10:21:17 PM
DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

yea, no shiat. Juneteenth exists because Texas decided to keep the abolition of slavery under wraps.
 
2013-02-17 10:28:41 PM
Another pointless piece of legislative grandstanding.
 
2013-02-17 10:32:32 PM
Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...
 
2013-02-17 10:50:44 PM

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.
 
2013-02-17 11:19:49 PM
So, it was a symbolic ratification (obviously), and Mississippi is slow. Which is not news. On the other hand, progress in Mississippi? Credit where credit is due.
 
2013-02-17 11:20:15 PM

quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?


That would make a good movie title.
 
2013-02-17 11:23:45 PM
From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?
 
2013-02-17 11:24:46 PM

ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?


Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?
 
2013-02-17 11:26:11 PM

hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...


It's pretty amazing how the attitude towards slavery expressed by those Mississippians seem pretty much in line with modern America. Maybe it was because they were turned off by a black man owning white slaves, but almost to a man the people were unapologetically against slavery.

There was one guy who wasn't totally against it. There's always one.
 
2013-02-17 11:26:18 PM
So Georgia ratified it in 1864 but it wasn't even proposed until 1865. I call that forward thinking on Georgia's part or shiatty writing and editing.
 
2013-02-17 11:26:29 PM

ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?


I thought the same thing.
 
2013-02-17 11:27:04 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


Reading wasn't fundamental back then.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:30 PM

Generation_D: // But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


Yes. States Rights to legally to own slaves.
These morons act as if these are different subjects.

/Kudzu-covers up most of the shiat in Mississippi. But you can still smell it.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:04 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


That's the nicest way I've ever seen someone allude to an illiterate state.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:19 PM

DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.


There weren't enough Northern States to ratify it alone.  Remember, it was the North's position that the South never left the Union.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:20 PM
Sorry, but you can't put the   toothpasteslaves back in the tube.
 
2013-02-17 11:42:01 PM
Now, hold your horses...When we are talking about "Mississippi" which is special kind of retarded, I mean special.
 
2013-02-17 11:45:04 PM
Too bad it doesn't matter.

Supremacy clause and all that...
 
2013-02-17 11:45:35 PM

Bastard Toadflax: quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?

That would make a good movie title.


www.dbcovers.com

If I had any PS skillz...
 
2013-02-17 11:46:17 PM

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

There weren't enough Northern States to ratify it alone.  Remember, it was the North's position that the South never left the Union.


I actually thought it was required to rejoin the Union
 
2013-02-17 11:47:15 PM
I downloaded Lincoln about six weeks ago but can't seem to find the right time to watch. Every time I start it and get settled in I wind up falling asleep. Maybe it's the pork rinds?
 
2013-02-17 11:47:48 PM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


It's OK. It's OK. We promise Mississippi really isn't a backwards, shiathole. Why, I hear Mississippi is the crown jewel of the U.S. A shining beacon of enlightenment and not at all a backwards, awful place largely composed of trailer parks and meth addicts.
 
2013-02-17 11:47:53 PM
I remember a bit on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update.
Dennis Miller read this story about Mississippi finally ratifying the 13th amendment.

"sources say they would have gotten around to it sooner but they had this big cotton crop that had to be brought in"
 
2013-02-17 11:51:32 PM

quatchi: Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?


Neither of those players is in the Hall of Fame.
 
2013-02-17 11:52:14 PM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


Of course not, most Mississippi stupid is black stupid. The white stupid can barely be heard.
 
2013-02-17 11:52:19 PM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


The Supremacy clause has nothing (or little) to do with whether or not states can quarter troops in your home.  The Bill of Rights did not apply to the states until sometime after the 13th and 14th Amendments were ratified and the various rights covered by the Bill of Rights were 'incorporated' against the stated under the post civil war amendments.  Technically the 3rd Amendment has never been held to apply to the states by the Supreme Court, mostly because it doesn't come up very often.  There was one case where the 2nd Circuit held that the 3rd Amendment applied to states attempting to quarter National Guard troops in prison housing during a prison guard strike.  That's the only case I can find that suggested the 3rd Amendment applies to the states and it held that it was because of the 14th Amendment.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:00 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


Well, I don't know about anyone else but that post totes convinced me that Mississippi no longer has a problem with race relations.

/Totes.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:31 PM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


yes but... slavery had a state's rights flavor to it and I'm serious, some people still think it would be good or right to have slavery. So it makes a nice 'were with the program' statement.

and on a side note:
I get pretty torqued when I'm in West Virgina and see all the rebel flag crap and hear about 'our heritage'.  FFS WV split from Virginia as WV opposed slavery and VA did not.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:41 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


Of course it wasn't.
*pats head*
 
2013-02-17 11:55:11 PM

red5ish: quatchi: Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?

Neither of those players is in the Hall of Fame.


Yeah, I was referring to Hank Aaron's suggestion that if they do get in that it be with asterisks beside their name.

It was either that or try to work an Obelix and Getafix joke in there and it wasn't happening.
 
2013-02-17 11:56:21 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


www.diabetesmine.com
 
2013-02-17 11:56:22 PM

Corvus: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

I thought the same thing.


It says "some didn't vote", that's NOT the same as abstaining.  It could simply mean they were not present for the vote, which is pretty common.  It's not at all unusual for even the US Senate or House to have members not present for a vote, even on big things.
 
2013-02-17 11:57:21 PM

Person: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

It's OK. It's OK. We promise Mississippi really isn't a backwards, shiathole. Why, I hear Mississippi is the crown jewel of the U.S. A shining beacon of enlightenment and not at all a backwards, awful place largely composed of trailer parks and meth addicts.


think your confusing Mississippi with Kentucky...

but anyways, as some who is from Mississippi and lived everywhere else. Mississippi is no worse then any where else in country once you get out side of there "Cultural center"

People kinda of forget about the Gulf Coast that is basically New Orleans on the beach
 
2013-02-17 11:57:42 PM
Well since I'm in Alabama all I can say is thank you Mississippi ; )
 
2013-02-18 12:00:14 AM

hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...


Mr Moore looks like he lost weight since I saw him on South Park.
 
2013-02-18 12:01:50 AM

Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.


Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.
 
2013-02-18 12:03:03 AM

Lsherm: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?


Anyone know a way to fact check that. My guess is most of them were absent, however, the way it is worded in the article about "some didn't vote" makes me believe that yes, some people honestly abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995. I could be reading more into it, but it would be fascinating to see if any of the abstains were in person.
 
2013-02-18 12:03:55 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-18 12:07:44 AM

TheManofPA: Lsherm: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?

Anyone know a way to fact check that. My guess is most of them were absent, however, the way it is worded in the article about "some didn't vote" makes me believe that yes, some people honestly abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995. I could be reading more into it, but it would be fascinating to see if any of the abstains were in person.


Meh, I'm sure there is.  Not doing the work, though.
 
2013-02-18 12:08:15 AM

Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.


I like to mention 3/5 a person in response.
 
2013-02-18 12:09:36 AM
the lincoln movie is pure history, and in no way propaganda. historical inaccuracies were not intentional. that's why it's being sent to school children for historical purposes.
 
2013-02-18 12:14:30 AM

Born2Fart: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

I like to mention 3/5 a person in response.


So if 5 ni-bongs managed to vote how exactly would they divvy up the 3 votes?

/just wondering
 
2013-02-18 12:19:14 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit
 
2013-02-18 12:22:59 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the church when there were interfaith events, but not in our very pleasant Methodist church. Plenty of black faces at the plant, and certainly near, but not in town. These warm and gentle people very kindly excluded a certain element in their town, and it wasn't with hate or sign carrying, just a sort of benign shrug when it came to where folks lived, and that is only part of that dichotomy. I loved that town, I had some of my favorite teachers in those years, but let's not get it f*cked up that there was something going on.

In Louisiana, in DeRidder, and in Monroe, things were a bit more mixed. There was tension at times, but as an Army Brat, I didn't really take notice. I didn't really care, because my father didn't, and while my Grandmother had a few racist bones in her, she warmed over the years as I brought friends home, and she realized that maybe she was wrong. My father, a deadly violent man, was many things: an alcoholic, abusive at times, angry with the world, bitter at times, but he wasn't a racist. Too many things happened to him in Vietnam for him to worry about who pulled him up and out of a mess to worry about what color they were. Too many of the troops he trained and worked with relied on one another for him to promote that sort of thinking. That doesn't mean that I didn't notice the tension, or why.

The South is a melange of forces and influences, and even by the waters, things are often murky with how folks relate to one another. You can't love a place, without acknowledging all its quirks and influences, and ignorance and blinding hate often go hand in hand with culture of gentility and grace, hate mixed with love of place, love of neighbor, and to ignore it, is to allow it to fester. Better to get it in the open, deal with it--like we did with my Grandmother, and then ease the worst parts out by acknowledging where things have gone wrong. The South, it can claim that it was the War of Northern Aggression, and carpetbaggers, that consigned it to years of stagnation and hate, but that is to ignore the real and underlying rot that infected the South for longer. A slave system fostered a lot of ignorance. A political system that promoted hate over peace, that looked to demonize others, as opposed to dealing with its own issues, and an economic system that took advantage of a lot of folks, and allowed their schools to stagnate as much as their economy, while taking the best and brightest, and keeping them walled up.

Despite this, the South is an amazing place. Full of people who are warm and kind, generous and God fearing, and filled with wonders and pride of place. It also goes with that, a lot of blind and ancient hatreds that go back to that very code of honor that doesn't let sleeping dogs lay, and the holding onto that history, also keeps the same hatreds in play all these years later, and looking for scapegoats, and plenty of folks who managed to make a killing on the backs of the ignorant like to keep them exactly there, and keep their eyes pointed away from those who are responsible for their plight, and who are looking to rape the very lands that they love so dear.

The worst critics of the South, they aren't the folks who have never been, but those who have lived and breathed in these lands, who have red clay baked into their souls, and who understand her; her waters, her forests, her rivers and streams, and loving her, want her to rise above the years and come out better. Freer. Who understand her potential, the depth of her people, and still recognize that there is a long way to go to making her live up to that potential.

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.
 
2013-02-18 12:25:24 AM

Rufus Lee King: Even looks like a prison:


Dude, every school looks like a prison and/or is set up near a prison for tax reasons. Welcome to America.

/we used to wave to Amy Fisher's cell block from science class
//seriously
 
2013-02-18 12:29:17 AM

hubiestubert: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the ch ...


Titty sprinkles.
 
2013-02-18 12:30:15 AM

hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.


Is it sad that I read this in the voice of Francis Underwood?
 
2013-02-18 12:30:57 AM
And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.
 
2013-02-18 12:32:49 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.



Clearly from your post, racism is dead in the great state of Mississippi. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
2013-02-18 12:35:45 AM

ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.


If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)
 
2013-02-18 12:36:47 AM

hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.


"Fascinating" isn't the right word either. I should have said "beautiful". Your post has made me want to visit the South. And I feel a bit bad about the Morgan Freeman joke, but once he's on it's hard to shut him off.
 
2013-02-18 12:41:06 AM
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.

And therein lies all the details needed to round out this story.
 
2013-02-18 12:44:51 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


"You gotta run out of Mississippi, 'cause walkin' is most too slow"
 
2013-02-18 12:46:18 AM
hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.
 
2013-02-18 12:46:42 AM

megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit


Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.
 
2013-02-18 12:48:10 AM

ruta: hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

"Fascinating" isn't the right word either. I should have said "beautiful". Your post has made me want to visit the South. And I feel a bit bad about the Morgan Freeman joke, but once he's on it's hard to shut him off.


Beautiful is right. I wouldn't mind visiting either, and not just for the Everglades.

/Just visit, though.
//Pretty sure the climate would kill me, otherwise.
 
2013-02-18 12:49:21 AM
Hey, Mississippi, the reason it took until now to ratify the amendment isn't because you are "deliberate" it is because you are as backwards as all fark. There are still a host of other issues where you are firmly on the wrong side of history, and on those you also will not come around until long after the whole rest of the world gets it.
 
2013-02-18 12:50:08 AM

DarkLancelot: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.


Oh, you mean like President Lincoln strongly supported it? And like those living in border states who were loyal to the Union government (even if their state had seceded) were bound by it until it was finally repealed nearly 3 months after the war's end, clearly indicating that plenty of Union government officials also supported it? Because, you know, only Southerners who had seceded just because they wanted to commit the reprehensible act of owning another human being would support such a thing, right?

Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin, which are the states which passed laws against the FSA and declined to enforce it, instead extending habeas corpus, jury trial, and civil due process rights to all, regardless of color or charges and punishing those who lied--even white men who claimed black men and women were slaves when they were not. Wisconsin declared the FSA unConstitutional and the Federal Gov't told them it superceded their state laws. That alone would have been enough to turn me secessionist because it's farking tyranny. But Lincoln himself said that if he could preserve the Union by outlawing slavery he would and if he could preserve the Union by keeping slavery legal, he would. So no, the Civil War was not 100% about slavery. Had it been, Lincoln could have prevented it with a word--a fact which he himself was very well aware of.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:20 AM
Yeah, sure, Mississippi ratified it in 1995 so they could get people off their backs, but the good old boy network made sure that it wasn't really official, and people conveniently forgot about it....

I was being facetious when I wrote that, but now I really wonder who was the Secretary of State of Mississippi in 1995, and why/how he "forgot" to do something so important and so simple.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:20 AM

Jument: megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit

Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.


Yep. Pretty much. But Biloxi was pretty sweet. I like crawdads and oysters.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:28 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.


Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...
 
2013-02-18 12:53:07 AM
I've been to Mississippi twice, and it was notable how freely white and blacks worked around and live with eachother vs what one would expect with the states's stereotypes.  As with most things, folks perception from afar differ than what is really going on in any given situation.

It's as if they aren't dwelling on things that just aren't very important any more.  Strange, i know.
 
2013-02-18 12:54:39 AM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


Not quite. The reason they didn't ratify it before 1995 is because the racist farksticks those guys like to elect probably would have voted it down before that. The reason it took an additional 18 years and a Steven Spielberg movie before they made it official is because paperwork is confusing and shiat.
 
2013-02-18 01:03:12 AM
hubiestubert: your words remind me of the area of NJ I grew up in. it wasn't until i was older and away from there that i realized it was a mostly Christian lily white community because that's the way Realtors used to treat people. very heavy on the 'birds of a feather flock together' mind set. i don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing; many folks are most comfortable among their own people. some may see that as racist but those same people never think twice about fully closed 'Chinatowns' and other tightly knit ethnic communities where only their own are welcome (unless you come to spend money and leave).

i've been South many times and I love it. good food, good folks, air is good to breathe. can't say i'll ever go back to Atlanta though. i've been to all sorts of neighborhoods but folks in Atlanta were the angriest i ever been around. but i'd live down South in a minute, no problem.
 
2013-02-18 01:05:09 AM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


So now we see what propels these "tenthers" to get up in the morning: override the 13th Amendment and bring back slavery.

Something that the Koch Brothers would furiously fap off to I'm sure.
 
2013-02-18 01:12:40 AM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...


You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.
 
2013-02-18 01:14:30 AM

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


The states "rights" to own humans as cattle, apparently.

questgarden.com
 
2013-02-18 01:16:44 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.


More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.
 
2013-02-18 01:19:02 AM

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


This is what neoconfederates actually believe.
 
2013-02-18 01:20:35 AM

hubiestubert: The worst critics of the South, they aren't the folks who have never been, but those who have lived and breathed in these lands, who have red clay baked into their souls, and who understand her; her waters, her forests, her rivers and streams, and loving her, want her to rise above the years and come out better. Freer. Who understand her potential, the depth of her people, and still recognize that there is a long way to go to making her live up to that potential.

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.


[audienceclapping.gif]

Seriously, well done.

/Dammit, now I want a Mint julep, southern fried steak and grits.
//And I don't even know what grits are.
///They might be illegal in Canada or something, never seen 'em on a menu.
 
2013-02-18 01:26:50 AM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.

More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.


Check out Sometimes after Sunset and Tales of the flat Earth if you get a chance.
 
2013-02-18 01:31:08 AM

hubiestubert: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the ch ...


I dont know what any of that means to mississippi so here are two mew bear cub faces from Minnesota

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2013-02-18 01:31:31 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.

More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.

Check out Sometimes after Sunset and Tales of the flat Earth if you get a chance.


I have been known to take the advice of smart gals on occasion where reading material goes. I'll see if my local shop has her stuff--which they should.
 
2013-02-18 01:37:49 AM

Aigoo: Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin


Wow, New Hampshire has been the weird libertarian bastard of New England for some time, apparently.
 
2013-02-18 01:40:08 AM

austerity101: Aigoo: Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin

Wow, New Hampshire has been the weird libertarian bastard of New England for some time, apparently.


New Hampshire still has votes to leave the Union from time to time. It is kinda how they roll.
 
2013-02-18 01:41:22 AM

hubiestubert: I have been known to take the advice of smart gals on occasion where reading material goes. I'll see if my local shop has her stuff--which they should.


I think you may like she's interesting and a hell of a storyteller from my point of view.
/And blush ; )
 
2013-02-18 01:43:58 AM

Aigoo: DarkLancelot: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.

Oh, you mean like President Lincoln strongly supported it? And like those living in border states who were loyal to the Union government (even if their state had seceded) were bound by it until it was finally repealed nearly 3 months after the war's end, clearly indicating that plenty of Union government officials also supported it? Because, you know, only Southerners who had seceded just because they wanted to commit the reprehensible act of owning another human being would support such a thing, right?

Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin, which are the states which passed laws against the FSA and declined to enforce it, instead extending habeas corpus, jury trial, and civil due process rights to all, regardless of color or charges and punishing those who lied--even white men who claimed black men and women were slaves when they were not. Wisconsin declared the FSA unConstitutional and the Federal Gov't told them it superceded their state laws. That alone would have been enough to turn me secessionist because it's farking tyranny. But Lincoln himself said that if he could preserve the Union by outlawing slavery he would and if he could preserve the Union by keeping slavery legal, he would. So no, the Civil War was ...


But you have to admit it goes against the States' Rights argument since the law clearly superseded the laws of abolitionist states and points out the hypocrisy of the States' Rights argument.
 
2013-02-18 01:44:59 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


They vote Republican, that makes them the problem.
 
2013-02-18 01:48:04 AM
Hubie stewart, you call your daughter a critter but the south is a she...

Ridiculous :)
 
2013-02-18 01:51:12 AM

Jument: megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit

Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.


She doesn't live in Detroit. Nobody moves there. They just move near it and lie, or they are born there and haven't had a chance to leave.

I live fifteen minutes from Detroit. I do NOT live in detroit, but I live near lots of people who think they do.
 
2013-02-18 01:51:35 AM

12349876: Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.

They vote Republican, that makes them the problem.


I suppose you have a solution to this Republican  problem?
 
2013-02-18 01:56:10 AM

hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)


can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?
 
2013-02-18 01:59:26 AM
hubiestubert:

Holy cow. A well-reasoned and extremely thoughtful comment on fark. All good reading, and I have to comment on one bit:

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.

I was thinking about this a couple months ago as the latest bit of TX Gov. Rick Perry's "Cancer Prevention" fund - several billion bucks of taxpayer money - is documented as being managed by people with the ethics of Ken Lay, the oversight of their auditors, and apparent outrage that anyone would actually have a problem with them simply writing checks from the treasury to their donors and friends. And this is one of the smaller scandals in TX government. Current scandals.

I grew up in the NYC area, and there were scandals all the time, it seemed there wasn't a month when some politician was being perp-walked into an arraignment hearing. But that was the point: Stealing from the government was considered bad, and if you found out someone was doing it, you had them locked up. You might find a co-conspirator, might get away with it for a few years - but sooner or later, you'd get sloppy, you'd get fired, financially ruined, and go to prison, along with all the people stupid enough to get in on your genius scheme.

Hell, a few months ago I happened to be visiting relatives up there and picked up the local paper. Some local elected official was on their way to jail for mis-using a parking permit. Total value, probably south of $500. And people were outraged, demanding the guy's head on a stake. Perfectly understandable, they *should* be angry at thieves.

Much of the anti-government sentiment in the south can probably be traced to the face that so much of government in the south is fundamentally corrupt, in an open and brazen manner, and many voters who consider themselves republican might well be voting to re-elect Rick Perry and similar crooks on the theory that with democrats, there would simply be more crooks. If your only experience with government is with people like George Wallace, Rick Perry, and George W. Bush, and whatever the urine-sample guy in FL's name is, you'd probably assume (with some justification) that the only hope to limit the level of thievery is to limit the number of thieves.
 
2013-02-18 02:03:17 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?


After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.
 
2013-02-18 02:05:50 AM

Bastard Toadflax: quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?

That would make a good movie title.


Backwards state longs for the good old days: Mississippi Yearning
 
2013-02-18 02:08:09 AM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


Except abortion. Illegal in MissHippie and Kansas but for one clinic each. At least that's balanced by medical marijuana sticking its proverbial camel's nose into the tent.
 
2013-02-18 02:10:03 AM

hubiestubert: Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?

After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.


Makes sense. I was curious since you had mentioned that the war had changed his views on a number of things. It must have been frustrating (even if only a little) to return to the South after those changes, especially if it was one of those things you didn't talk about (I have no idea if that's true),
 
2013-02-18 02:23:35 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?

After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.

Makes sense. I was curious since you had mentioned that the war had changed his views on a number of things. It must have been frustrating (even if only a little) to return to the South after those changes, especially if it was one of those things you didn't talk about (I have no idea if that's true),


My father was from Mizzoura. Little town called Freeman just outside of KC. I was raised in the South, because that was where he got stationed, and where my Grandmother was transferred with JP while he got to travel to exotic lands, and keep young men from splashing pieces of themselves over the landscape. I was raised in the South, because that's where we got stationed. Like a lot of Army Brats, I don't really have the roots that a lot of folks have. Facebook likes to ask what my "hometown" is and that's a concept that changed so often, that it's sort of nonsensical. By the time I was 12, I had six nations on my passport, and lived in more towns than I had years. Still a bit of a nomad, and sometimes folks give me the "Aw, you poor dear" when they realize how often I've moved over the years, but then again, you get a perspective about the country when you travel it. Not just travel and play tourist, but live there for a year or two and then you find somewhere else. Heck, did the seasonal thing for several years while I was in college--lived in my college town, moved to where the work was in the summer, and then moved back to said college town, and that's been the pattern for most of my life.

I do sort of get wistful when I hear Please Come to Boston, because it would be nice to have a place to call home for more than a year or two, but then again, that's been the pattern of my life...
 
2013-02-18 02:24:10 AM

Taylor Mental: Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.
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He said that when black on black crime is a serious issue in your area, whether or not some cracker looked at you with that "boy, what you doing in my shop?" look is eye rolling but less likely to cause physical harm.
 
2013-02-18 02:25:22 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


The Simpsons are in Mississippi? Wow, where did you develop your researching talents?
 
2013-02-18 02:27:11 AM
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.


Craziest thing is it has to take an immigrant 150 years later to bring this to light for Mississippi to get it right..
 
2013-02-18 02:34:11 AM

Kevin72: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

The Simpsons are in Mississippi? Wow, where did you develop your researching talents?


Mississippi?
 
2013-02-18 02:34:52 AM
So a brown dude figures the whole thing out and a white guy and his family get all the credit?
 
2013-02-18 02:36:23 AM
The best part of Mississippi, and also Alabama, North Florida, Louisiana is the ghosts. Way more peaceful, present, and focused than in other parts of the country.
 
2013-02-18 02:39:36 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

 
2013-02-18 02:39:46 AM

hubiestubert: r" when they realize how often I've moved over the years, but then again, you get a perspective about the country when you travel it. Not just travel and play tourist, but live there for a year or two and then you find somewhere else. Heck, did the seasonal thing for several years while I was in college--lived in my college town, moved to where the work was in the summer, and then moved back to said college town, and that's been the pattern for most of my life.

I do sort of get wistful when I hear Please Come to Boston, because it would be nice to have a place to call home for more than a year or two, but then again, that's been the pattern of my life...


That sounds just crazy to me. From a purely selfish perspective I have technical career goals which should take at least a solid 20 years at my company to accomplish. But I also have a lot of friends and family near(ish) and want to start a family too someday. I guess there's a trade off though from not being able to see and experience as much. Ironically it's hard to say which is better since few have exp both since the two scenarios are rather mutually exclusive.  Do you think you;ve gained more through all your travels and residencies than you could have gained by being less nomadic? Is it even an answerable question?
 
2013-02-18 02:44:28 AM

Aigoo: DarkLancelot: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.

Oh, you mean like President Lincoln strongly supported it? And like those living in border states who were loyal to the Union government (even if their state had seceded) were bound by it until it was finally repealed nearly 3 months after the war's end, clearly indicating that plenty of Union government officials also supported it? Because, you know, only Southerners who had seceded just because they wanted to commit the reprehensible act of owning another human being would support such a thing, right?

Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin, which are the states which passed laws against the FSA and declined to enforce it, instead extending habeas corpus, jury trial, and civil due process rights to all, regardless of color or charges and punishing those who lied--even white men who claimed black men and women were slaves when they were not. Wisconsin declared the FSA unConstitutional and the Federal Gov't told them it superceded their state laws. That alone would have been enough to turn me secessionist because it's farking tyranny. But Lincoln himself said that if he could preserve the Union by outlawing slavery he would and if he could preserve the Union by keeping slavery legal, he would. So no, the Civil War was ...


The south succeeded entirely due to slavery, they even said so. And Lincoln was lying- he was playing to a union populace that was still rather divided on the question of slavery, especially in border states where slavery was still legal. He knew that if he explicitly laid out the war as an anti-slavery crusade at the beginning, he would lose the border states, and the Union would fall.

Besides, Lincoln could not have

Aigoo: So no, the Civil War was not 100% about slavery. Had it been, Lincoln could have prevented it with a word--a fact which he himself was very well aware of.


As for this, what word? You're talking nonsense. He did not have the power to ban slavery, nor did he have the power to wholly legalize it. And southerners didn't believe him when he said in the campaign he wouldn't try to alter the status quo, why would they believe him as President?
 
2013-02-18 02:45:15 AM

remus: Corvus: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

I thought the same thing.

It says "some didn't vote", that's NOT the same as abstaining.  It could simply mean they were not present for the vote, which is pretty common.  It's not at all unusual for even the US Senate or House to have members not present for a vote, even on big things.


It is not clear. "Some didn't vote" includes both absences and refusals to vote. So there very well may have been abstentions. His phrasing it that way is probably intentionally covering up the fact that some legislators indeed abstained rather than vote "yes".
 
2013-02-18 02:49:39 AM

Kevin72: The best part of Mississippi, and also Alabama, North Florida, Louisiana is the ghosts. Way more peaceful, present, and focused than in other parts of the country.


Well there are ghost here, but in my little corner of north Alabama it's not so bad and well the country is beautiful. I also love the mountains and woods the people well there are good ones out their even though we have plenty that vote for our stupid politicians.
 
2013-02-18 02:53:41 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: r" when they realize how often I've moved over the years, but then again, you get a perspective about the country when you travel it. Not just travel and play tourist, but live there for a year or two and then you find somewhere else. Heck, did the seasonal thing for several years while I was in college--lived in my college town, moved to where the work was in the summer, and then moved back to said college town, and that's been the pattern for most of my life.

I do sort of get wistful when I hear Please Come to Boston, because it would be nice to have a place to call home for more than a year or two, but then again, that's been the pattern of my life...

That sounds just crazy to me. From a purely selfish perspective I have technical career goals which should take at least a solid 20 years at my company to accomplish. But I also have a lot of friends and family near(ish) and want to start a family too someday. I guess there's a trade off though from not being able to see and experience as much. Ironically it's hard to say which is better since few have exp both since the two scenarios are rather mutually exclusive.  Do you think you;ve gained more through all your travels and residencies than you could have gained by being less nomadic? Is it even an answerable question?


I'm a chef. For me, this is professional development. You work with great chefs, you learn from every gig you have. Worked for some greats, worked with some nationally known names, worked with the NHL, and worked with local greats. Learning regional cuisines isn't about just reading, but in the sampling, of seeing the differences in styles up close. It also helps to see differences in operations from varied perspectives. From smaller joints, large venues, banquet houses, and corporate gigs. Every job adds experience, and gives you a deeper understanding of the business. Even Mom and Pop operations. The last five years, I've seen haute cuisine, sports entertainment with the Phoenix Coyotes, a failed attempt to franchise by a Denver sports bar--failures are instructive--as well as fine cuisine with the Deerfield Inn, and the Mom and Pop place that I'm at now. Mind you, Christopher's was only about four months, and it was enough. FuNuGyz only lasted three months before the management folded, and I spent two and a half years with Aramark with the Arena. The Inn got asploded thanks to Irene, and that has led me to the gig I'm at now. All of them are instructional, and all of them build a resume with varied experience. For chefs, that is important. Some like to specialize, but that's for insects in my book. I can do BBQ, I can do fine dining, I can ethnic, I can do New American, and more. That gives a breadth of knowledge that is necessary to run kitchens, and run them efficiently.
 
2013-02-18 02:59:10 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_State s _Constitution

New Jersey (January 23, 1866, after having rejected it on March 16, 1865)
Delaware (February 12, 1901, after having rejected it on February 8, 1865)

Those progressives up north.
 
2013-02-18 03:06:44 AM

hubiestubert: I'm a chef. For me, this is professional development. You work with great chefs, you learn from every gig you have. Worked for some greats, worked with some nationally known names, worked with the NHL, and worked with local greats. Learning regional cuisines isn't about just reading, but in the sampling, of seeing the differences in styles up close. It also helps to see differences in operations from varied perspectives. From smaller joints, large venues, banquet houses, and corporate gigs. Every job adds experience, and gives you a deeper understanding of the business. Even Mom and Pop operations. The last five years, I've seen haute cuisine, sports entertainment with the Phoenix Coyotes, a failed attempt to franchise by a Denver sports bar--failures are instructive--as well as fine cuisine with the Deerfield Inn, and the Mom and Pop place that I'm at now. Mind you, Christopher's was only about four months, and it was enough. FuNuGyz only lasted three months before the management folded, and I spent two and a half years with Aramark with the Arena. The Inn got asploded thanks to Irene, and that has led me to the gig I'm at now. All of them are instructional, and all of them build a resume with varied experience. For chefs, that is important. Some like to specialize, but that's for insects in my book. I can do BBQ, I can do fine dining, I can ethnic, I can do New American, and more. That gives a breadth of knowledge that is necessary to run kitchens, and run them efficiently.


That sounds pretty awesome (professionally). I hadn't considered a possibility like that, So, you had many experiences and adventures all around and about. Let's imagine that you could have had all the same cooking and restaurant experiences but all in the same region. How do you think your experiences and outlooks been shaped by the fact these jobs *were* all over and not in a single area.
 
2013-02-18 03:07:43 AM

Born2Fart: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

I like to mention 3/5 a person in response.



You do understand that that's probably the best that could have occurred, given the time, right?

The slave states wanted representation based on a count of all of their slaves, basically 5/5 of a person.  Assuming the free states went along with it, the slave states would have had even more power.  Only an idiot would think that making the slaves states stronger would be a good thing for slaves or the larger cause of human rights.

Had the slave states dug their heels in and refused to compromise, the free states could have decided to form a separate union, meaning a 'free' United States and a 'slave' United States.  I can't imagine a scenario where that's good for slavery or human rights.

Has the free states dug their heels in and insisted on ZERO representation (0/5 of a person), the slave states would have been weaker.  I see this as a good thing and the best outcome IF it worked.  It most likely would not have worked as the slave states probably wouldn't have gone for it, so we're back to two countries again.

In retrospect, 3/5 is probably the best thing in the long term for the cause of human rights and slavery.

The 3/5 thing did not comment on or define the personhood of slaves, it only described how slaves would be counted for the purpose of determining representation.  Saying that we're counting 60% of a group for census purposes is not the same thing as saying "they're only partially people".  When you're enslaving people, you're not really taking their humanity into consideration.
 
2013-02-18 03:23:07 AM
The 3/5 thing did not comment on or define the personhood of slaves, it only described how slaves would be counted for the purpose of determining representation.  Saying that we're counting 60% of a group for census purposes is not the same thing as saying "they're only partially people".

While it may not be your intention to reduce the personhood of a group, by creating laws that treats them as lesser beings, you automatically create a system that keeps them under the thumb of the "real" citizens.

See what  Surat Al-Baqarah 2:282 has done to women in Islamic countries.
 
2013-02-18 03:23:54 AM

hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...


img805.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-18 03:29:03 AM

jigger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_State s _Constitution

New Jersey (January 23, 1866, after having rejected it on March 16, 1865)
Delaware (February 12, 1901, after having rejected it on February 8, 1865)

Those progressives up north.


I think you should read up on Delaware and slavery. You'll get a surprise.
 
2013-02-18 03:31:49 AM

ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]


Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )
 
2013-02-18 03:37:37 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: I'm a chef. For me, this is professional development. You work with great chefs, you learn from every gig you have. Worked for some greats, worked with some nationally known names, worked with the NHL, and worked with local greats. Learning regional cuisines isn't about just reading, but in the sampling, of seeing the differences in styles up close. It also helps to see differences in operations from varied perspectives. From smaller joints, large venues, banquet houses, and corporate gigs. Every job adds experience, and gives you a deeper understanding of the business. Even Mom and Pop operations. The last five years, I've seen haute cuisine, sports entertainment with the Phoenix Coyotes, a failed attempt to franchise by a Denver sports bar--failures are instructive--as well as fine cuisine with the Deerfield Inn, and the Mom and Pop place that I'm at now. Mind you, Christopher's was only about four months, and it was enough. FuNuGyz only lasted three months before the management folded, and I spent two and a half years with Aramark with the Arena. The Inn got asploded thanks to Irene, and that has led me to the gig I'm at now. All of them are instructional, and all of them build a resume with varied experience. For chefs, that is important. Some like to specialize, but that's for insects in my book. I can do BBQ, I can do fine dining, I can ethnic, I can do New American, and more. That gives a breadth of knowledge that is necessary to run kitchens, and run them efficiently.

That sounds pretty awesome (professionally). I hadn't considered a possibility like that, So, you had many experiences and adventures all around and about. Let's imagine that you could have had all the same cooking and restaurant experiences but all in the same region. How do you think your experiences and outlooks been shaped by the fact these jobs *were* all over and not in a single area.


I've been in and around Western Mass for some time. I know chefs and distributors in the area pretty well. And that comes in handy. The business is practically driven by gossip, and you trade cooks and waitstaff around a fair bit, so there is some diffusion with staff that you work with for a time, and then they wander off, but put in a good word elsewhere, or you keep tabs of elsewhere and you bring them back into the fold after some time, and you both learn something from it.

I left Western Mass, and returned. I left Maine and returned. Each time you do, you have more experience under your belt, and that means that the gigs all influence on another.
 
2013-02-18 03:54:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]

Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )


I do like the fact that he wished his boys well, after they had to be let go. "There goes one happy white boy..."

/If you want to hit up holidays, there's always The Dollyrots...
 
2013-02-18 03:58:52 AM
FTFA: "It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."

Someone needs to learn the difference between "unanimous" and "nem. con."
 
2013-02-18 04:10:21 AM

hubiestubert: Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: I'm a chef. For me, this is professional development. You work with great chefs, you learn from every gig you have. Worked for some greats, worked with some nationally known names, worked with the NHL, and worked with local greats. Learning regional cuisines isn't about just reading, but in the sampling, of seeing the differences in styles up close. It also helps to see differences in operations from varied perspectives. From smaller joints, large venues, banquet houses, and corporate gigs. Every job adds experience, and gives you a deeper understanding of the business. Even Mom and Pop operations. The last five years, I've seen haute cuisine, sports entertainment with the Phoenix Coyotes, a failed attempt to franchise by a Denver sports bar--failures are instructive--as well as fine cuisine with the Deerfield Inn, and the Mom and Pop place that I'm at now. Mind you, Christopher's was only about four months, and it was enough. FuNuGyz only lasted three months before the management folded, and I spent two and a half years with Aramark with the Arena. The Inn got asploded thanks to Irene, and that has led me to the gig I'm at now. All of them are instructional, and all of them build a resume with varied experience. For chefs, that is important. Some like to specialize, but that's for insects in my book. I can do BBQ, I can do fine dining, I can ethnic, I can do New American, and more. That gives a breadth of knowledge that is necessary to run kitchens, and run them efficiently.

That sounds pretty awesome (professionally). I hadn't considered a possibility like that, So, you had many experiences and adventures all around and about. Let's imagine that you could have had all the same cooking and restaurant experiences but all in the same region. How do you think your experiences and outlooks been shaped by the fact these jobs *were* all over and not in a single area.

I've been in and around Western Mass for some time. I know chefs and dis ...


sounds like a lot of fun
 
2013-02-18 04:21:56 AM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]

Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )

I do like the fact that he wished his boys well, after they had to be let go. "There goes one happy white boy..."

/If you want to hit up holidays, there's always The Dollyrots...


LoL, I'm just drinking but I liked that song here's another ; )
 
2013-02-18 04:27:19 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]

Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )

I do like the fact that he wished his boys well, after they had to be let go. "There goes one happy white boy..."

/If you want to hit up holidays, there's always The Dollyrots...

LoL, I'm just drinking but I liked that song here's another ; )


Maybe this will work sorry about the other well maybe ; ) Oh yea and all songs may have NSFW language.
 
2013-02-18 04:47:55 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


My mother was born and raised in Ebeneezer, and I spent more than a few summers there. I know backwoo--ahem, "rural" Mississippi isn't nearly as bad as it is portrayed, but Louisiana isn't either. Everybody thinks New Orleans is nothing but gumbo-drinking illiterate idiots who celebrate Mardi Gras all year long. Not even close to the truth: it's only about half of us.

But jebus the portrayals of Mississippi are accurate for some of the population. When it was revealed my great-uncle had an extramarital affair and a child with a black woman, you could hear the shotguns getting racked...
 
2013-02-18 04:54:24 AM
MisterTweak:

Much of the anti-government sentiment in the south can probably be traced to the face that so much of government in the south is fundamentally corrupt, in an open and brazen manner, and many voters who consider themselves republican might well be voting to re-elect Rick Perry and similar crooks on the theory that with democrats, there would simply be more crooks. If your only experience with government is with people like George Wallace, Rick Perry, and George W. Bush, and whatever the urine-sample guy in FL's name is, you'd probably assume (with some justification) that the only hope to limit the level of thievery is to limit the number of thieves.

I have never thought about this! This is very insightful. Thanks for this comment.
 
2013-02-18 04:57:08 AM

quatchi: hubiestubert: The worst critics of the South, they aren't the folks who have never been, but those who have lived and breathed in these lands, who have red clay baked into their souls, and who understand her; her waters, her forests, her rivers and streams, and loving her, want her to rise above the years and come out better. Freer. Who understand her potential, the depth of her people, and still recognize that there is a long way to go to making her live up to that potential.

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.

[audienceclapping.gif]

Seriously, well done.

/Dammit, now I want a Mint julep, southern fried steak and grits.
//And I don't even know what grits are.
///They might be illegal in Canada or something, never seen 'em on a menu.


1. It's chicken-fried steak, and it is biggest in Texas. Still goddamned awesome though, just needs the right gravy.

2. Grits--holy god. It's essentially ground-up corn (cornmeal). I've heard it compared to polenta, but real grits, in my humble opinion, need butter (REAL butter, thanks) and cheddar cheese.
 
fdr
2013-02-18 05:40:34 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


Rufus Lee King (if that is your real name), your's is the dumbest post I've ever read in my life. You really are from Mississippi.
 
2013-02-18 05:53:27 AM

maram500: 1. It's chicken-fried steak, and it is biggest in Texas. Still goddamned awesome though, just needs the right gravy.


Yum!

2. Grits--holy god. It's essentially ground-up corn (cornmeal). I've heard it compared to polenta, but real grits, in my humble opinion, need butter (REAL butter, thanks) and cheddar cheese.

Margarine is an abomination and it's use in cooking makes Baby Jesus cry.
 
2013-02-18 07:14:29 AM

quatchi: maram500: 1. It's chicken-fried steak, and it is biggest in Texas. Still goddamned awesome though, just needs the right gravy.

Yum!

2. Grits--holy god. It's essentially ground-up corn (cornmeal). I've heard it compared to polenta, but real grits, in my humble opinion, need butter (REAL butter, thanks) and cheddar cheese.

Margarine is an abomination and it's use in cooking makes Baby Jesus cry.


Scallions also make the Baby Jesus cry.

/Why ruin something as divine as shrimp and grits with a garnish of scallions?
//Sometimes Food Network goes too far...
 
2013-02-18 08:25:11 AM

Bastard Toadflax: quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?

That would make a good movie title.


Fiction.
 
2013-02-18 08:31:14 AM
So, how about the 17th, 21st, 23rd, 24th, 26th, and 27th?
 
2013-02-18 09:29:33 AM
I find it interesting that no one thought to ask this until now.

What could possibly have happened in recent history to inspire people to go over the ratification of the 13th amendment with a fine tooth comb?

Things that make you go hmmmm...
 
2013-02-18 09:34:46 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]

Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )

I do like the fact that he wished his boys well, after they had to be let go. "There goes one happy white boy..."

/If you want to hit up holidays, there's always The Dollyrots...

LoL, I'm just drinking but I liked that song here's another ; )

Maybe this will work sorry about the other well maybe ; ) Oh yea and all songs may have NSFW language.


Heh. Maybe a bit more towards the Appalachias, and certainly more Old Skool, but I am sucker for the classics, and the dangers of strong drink.

And a hope that a gal didn't wake up in this condition...
 
2013-02-18 09:42:42 AM

hubiestubert: Some like to specialize, but that's for insects in my book.


Heinlein fan...
 
2013-02-18 09:54:41 AM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


All thirteen original states ratified the ban on quartering of troops in peacetime. Every state to join the union since has joined knowing of its existence. Mississippi's refusal to ratify the 13th Amendment is shameful.
 
2013-02-18 10:47:37 AM

DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.


According to the article the amendment only received the three-fourths majority it needed to pass when Georgia ratified it in 1865. Unless you want to argue that Georgia is not a Southern state?
 
2013-02-18 10:52:29 AM

thenumber5: but anyways, as some who is from Mississippi and lived everywhere else. Mississippi is no worse then any where else in country once you get out side of there "Cultural center"

People kinda of forget about the Gulf Coast that is basically New Orleans on the beach


One of the more memorable posts I remember from a while back was someone claiming Urban Cowboy was basically a documentary of 70's Pasadena. Given the way my dad and his family grew up, I could believe it.
 
2013-02-18 01:21:57 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The 3/5 thing did not comment on or define the personhood of slaves, it only described how slaves would be counted for the purpose of determining representation.  Saying that we're counting 60% of a group for census purposes is not the same thing as saying "they're only partially people".

While it may not be your intention to reduce the personhood of a group, by creating laws that treats them as lesser beings, you automatically create a system that keeps them under the thumb of the "real" citizens.

See what  Surat Al-Baqarah 2:282 has done to women in Islamic countries.


The nice thing is that 'reducing the personhood' (I still disagree with that characterization of the 3/5 thing) actually weakened the slave states.  If we consider full representation as "fully honoring their personhood", it was the slave states that wanted this, and they definitely didn't want this for the benefit of the slaves.  Surely we don't think that the slave states were the good guys in terms of human rights vis-a-vis slavery because they wanted all their slaves counted, do we?  Counting 100% of the slaves would have only served to strenghten the slave states.

It was the free states, which are largely viewed as the good guys in terms of slavery and human rights that DID NOT want the slaves counted all.

If we assume that the 3/5 compromise="slaves were 3/5 of a person", then this means the free states were terrible because they wanted 0/5 of the slave counted ie., slaves weren't people, while the slave states were nice humanitarians because they wanted all slaves 'treated as whole persons' (5/5 of a person)

When you look at it like this, any kind of complaining or lamenting about the 3/5 compromise is misguided and woefully uninformed.
 
2013-02-18 04:52:12 PM
Or you could look at it in a more reasonable way:

The south wanted slaves. The north did not. The south is the clear loser on morality here.

The north wanted to limit the amount of additional power the south could grab as a result of their slave population. The south wanted to exploit them further and gain representation as a result of having slaves. Once again the south is the clear loser.

The less slaves counted for here, the less power the southern slaveowners had, and therefore it would be in the slaves' best interests to be counted as 0.

Beyond that, blacks in the south SHOULD have been counted as full people, because they SHOULD have been free, so the 3/5s compromise is still the fault of the south for having slaves in the first place. There is still plenty of room to lament that they could not be given full representation as human beings in the country, and the fault still lies with the supporters of slavery.
 
2013-02-18 08:21:52 PM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...

[img805.imageshack.us image 560x371]

Well sure if you have a dollar to spare ; )
Just a song ; )

I do like the fact that he wished his boys well, after they had to be let go. "There goes one happy white boy..."

/If you want to hit up holidays, there's always The Dollyrots...


You people are weird.
 
2013-02-18 08:59:01 PM
 
2013-02-18 09:37:07 PM

ciberido: You people are weird.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

/I was just enjoying libations ; )
 
2013-02-18 10:00:35 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I was just enjoying libations ; )


Carry on then.

I'd have added "my wayward son" but this is Mississippi not Kansas, we're talking about.  Plus the whole "son vs daughter" thing.
 
2013-02-18 10:10:06 PM

ciberido: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was just enjoying libations ; )

Carry on then.

I'd have added "my wayward son" but this is Mississippi not Kansas, we're talking about.  Plus the whole "son vs daughter" thing.


I see what what you mean and will there be peace when I'm done??
 
2013-02-18 10:38:59 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was just enjoying libations ; )

Carry on then.

I'd have added "my wayward son" but this is Mississippi not Kansas, we're talking about.  Plus the whole "son vs daughter" thing.

I see what what you mean and will there be peace when I'm done??


Sadly, my Grandma's home state just can't quite compete... not in the same scale at least...
 
2013-02-18 11:39:02 PM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was just enjoying libations ; )

Carry on then.

I'd have added "my wayward son" but this is Mississippi not Kansas, we're talking about.  Plus the whole "son vs daughter" thing.

I see what what you mean and will there be peace when I'm done??

Sadly, my Grandma's home state just can't quite compete... not in the same scale at least...


Nice though, something from my adopted home state : )
 
2013-02-18 11:46:04 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: tinfoil-hat maggie: I was just enjoying libations ; )

Carry on then.

I'd have added "my wayward son" but this is Mississippi not Kansas, we're talking about.  Plus the whole "son vs daughter" thing.

I see what what you mean and will there be peace when I'm done??

Sadly, my Grandma's home state just can't quite compete... not in the same scale at least...

Nice though, something from my adopted home state : )


Robbie Fulks gives a shout out to the state, not the band, in his ode to North Carolina...
 
2013-02-18 11:59:08 PM
LoL : ) Now I want a smoke : P
 
2013-02-19 12:04:26 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: LoL : ) Now I want a smoke : P


Sadly, so do I. Gave it up a while back, but every now and then, I get reminded that I do like the stuff. Worked a tobacco farm in college for a couple of seasons even. Fine shade tobacco for cigar roller leaf. It was odd to be transported back to that sort of agricultural base up here, but the curing barns are awful similar to those back South...
 
2013-02-19 01:11:26 AM

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: LoL : ) Now I want a smoke : P

Sadly, so do I. Gave it up a while back, but every now and then, I get reminded that I do like the stuff. Worked a tobacco farm in college for a couple of seasons even. Fine shade tobacco for cigar roller leaf. It was odd to be transported back to that sort of agricultural base up here, but the curing barns are awful similar to those back South...


Good for you I'm back and forth right now and mostly back. Quitting seems to get harder the more times you do it.
Oh and csb on the tobacco farming : )
 
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