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2013-02-18 12:25:24 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Even looks like a prison:


Dude, every school looks like a prison and/or is set up near a prison for tax reasons. Welcome to America.

/we used to wave to Amy Fisher's cell block from science class
//seriously
 
2013-02-18 12:29:17 AM  

hubiestubert: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the ch ...


Titty sprinkles.
 
2013-02-18 12:30:15 AM  

hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.


Is it sad that I read this in the voice of Francis Underwood?
 
2013-02-18 12:30:57 AM  
And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.
 
2013-02-18 12:32:49 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.



Clearly from your post, racism is dead in the great state of Mississippi. Thank you for clearing that up.
 
2013-02-18 12:35:45 AM  

ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.


If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)
 
2013-02-18 12:36:47 AM  

hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.


"Fascinating" isn't the right word either. I should have said "beautiful". Your post has made me want to visit the South. And I feel a bit bad about the Morgan Freeman joke, but once he's on it's hard to shut him off.
 
2013-02-18 12:41:06 AM  
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.

And therein lies all the details needed to round out this story.
 
2013-02-18 12:44:51 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


"You gotta run out of Mississippi, 'cause walkin' is most too slow"
 
2013-02-18 12:46:18 AM  
hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.
 
2013-02-18 12:46:42 AM  

megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit


Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.
 
2013-02-18 12:48:10 AM  

ruta: hubiestubert: Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

"Fascinating" isn't the right word either. I should have said "beautiful". Your post has made me want to visit the South. And I feel a bit bad about the Morgan Freeman joke, but once he's on it's hard to shut him off.


Beautiful is right. I wouldn't mind visiting either, and not just for the Everglades.

/Just visit, though.
//Pretty sure the climate would kill me, otherwise.
 
2013-02-18 12:49:21 AM  
Hey, Mississippi, the reason it took until now to ratify the amendment isn't because you are "deliberate" it is because you are as backwards as all fark. There are still a host of other issues where you are firmly on the wrong side of history, and on those you also will not come around until long after the whole rest of the world gets it.
 
2013-02-18 12:50:08 AM  

DarkLancelot: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.


Oh, you mean like President Lincoln strongly supported it? And like those living in border states who were loyal to the Union government (even if their state had seceded) were bound by it until it was finally repealed nearly 3 months after the war's end, clearly indicating that plenty of Union government officials also supported it? Because, you know, only Southerners who had seceded just because they wanted to commit the reprehensible act of owning another human being would support such a thing, right?

Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin, which are the states which passed laws against the FSA and declined to enforce it, instead extending habeas corpus, jury trial, and civil due process rights to all, regardless of color or charges and punishing those who lied--even white men who claimed black men and women were slaves when they were not. Wisconsin declared the FSA unConstitutional and the Federal Gov't told them it superceded their state laws. That alone would have been enough to turn me secessionist because it's farking tyranny. But Lincoln himself said that if he could preserve the Union by outlawing slavery he would and if he could preserve the Union by keeping slavery legal, he would. So no, the Civil War was not 100% about slavery. Had it been, Lincoln could have prevented it with a word--a fact which he himself was very well aware of.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:20 AM  
Yeah, sure, Mississippi ratified it in 1995 so they could get people off their backs, but the good old boy network made sure that it wasn't really official, and people conveniently forgot about it....

I was being facetious when I wrote that, but now I really wonder who was the Secretary of State of Mississippi in 1995, and why/how he "forgot" to do something so important and so simple.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:20 AM  

Jument: megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit

Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.


Yep. Pretty much. But Biloxi was pretty sweet. I like crawdads and oysters.
 
2013-02-18 12:52:28 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.


Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...
 
2013-02-18 12:53:07 AM  
I've been to Mississippi twice, and it was notable how freely white and blacks worked around and live with eachother vs what one would expect with the states's stereotypes.  As with most things, folks perception from afar differ than what is really going on in any given situation.

It's as if they aren't dwelling on things that just aren't very important any more.  Strange, i know.
 
2013-02-18 12:54:39 AM  

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


Not quite. The reason they didn't ratify it before 1995 is because the racist farksticks those guys like to elect probably would have voted it down before that. The reason it took an additional 18 years and a Steven Spielberg movie before they made it official is because paperwork is confusing and shiat.
 
2013-02-18 01:03:12 AM  
hubiestubert: your words remind me of the area of NJ I grew up in. it wasn't until i was older and away from there that i realized it was a mostly Christian lily white community because that's the way Realtors used to treat people. very heavy on the 'birds of a feather flock together' mind set. i don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing; many folks are most comfortable among their own people. some may see that as racist but those same people never think twice about fully closed 'Chinatowns' and other tightly knit ethnic communities where only their own are welcome (unless you come to spend money and leave).

i've been South many times and I love it. good food, good folks, air is good to breathe. can't say i'll ever go back to Atlanta though. i've been to all sorts of neighborhoods but folks in Atlanta were the angriest i ever been around. but i'd live down South in a minute, no problem.
 
2013-02-18 01:05:09 AM  

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


So now we see what propels these "tenthers" to get up in the morning: override the 13th Amendment and bring back slavery.

Something that the Koch Brothers would furiously fap off to I'm sure.
 
2013-02-18 01:12:40 AM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...


You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.
 
2013-02-18 01:14:30 AM  

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


The states "rights" to own humans as cattle, apparently.

questgarden.com
 
2013-02-18 01:16:44 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.


More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.
 
2013-02-18 01:19:02 AM  

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


This is what neoconfederates actually believe.
 
2013-02-18 01:20:35 AM  

hubiestubert: The worst critics of the South, they aren't the folks who have never been, but those who have lived and breathed in these lands, who have red clay baked into their souls, and who understand her; her waters, her forests, her rivers and streams, and loving her, want her to rise above the years and come out better. Freer. Who understand her potential, the depth of her people, and still recognize that there is a long way to go to making her live up to that potential.

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.


[audienceclapping.gif]

Seriously, well done.

/Dammit, now I want a Mint julep, southern fried steak and grits.
//And I don't even know what grits are.
///They might be illegal in Canada or something, never seen 'em on a menu.
 
2013-02-18 01:26:50 AM  

hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.

More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.


Check out Sometimes after Sunset and Tales of the flat Earth if you get a chance.
 
2013-02-18 01:31:08 AM  

hubiestubert: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the ch ...


I dont know what any of that means to mississippi so here are two mew bear cub faces from Minnesota

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2013-02-18 01:31:31 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert: tinfoil-hat maggie: hubiestubert:

I almost cried and if you're not writing a book you should.

Written two, looking for a publisher and agent right now. My profile has a link the Lake of the Dead, which has a short from a while back. Of course, the novels are a blue collar science fiction romp, and the other is a hard boiled fantasy tale about a bounty hunter looking to put down his own shadow before his apprentice can kill him for his own good, so they are perhaps less prosaic...

You almost sound like you were influenced by Tanith Lee.

More Heinlein, John D. MacDonald and Pat Conroy. My Dad did throw some Anne McCaffrey my way, but I don't know if it took.

Check out Sometimes after Sunset and Tales of the flat Earth if you get a chance.


I have been known to take the advice of smart gals on occasion where reading material goes. I'll see if my local shop has her stuff--which they should.
 
2013-02-18 01:37:49 AM  

Aigoo: Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin


Wow, New Hampshire has been the weird libertarian bastard of New England for some time, apparently.
 
2013-02-18 01:40:08 AM  

austerity101: Aigoo: Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin

Wow, New Hampshire has been the weird libertarian bastard of New England for some time, apparently.


New Hampshire still has votes to leave the Union from time to time. It is kinda how they roll.
 
2013-02-18 01:41:22 AM  

hubiestubert: I have been known to take the advice of smart gals on occasion where reading material goes. I'll see if my local shop has her stuff--which they should.


I think you may like she's interesting and a hell of a storyteller from my point of view.
/And blush ; )
 
2013-02-18 01:43:58 AM  

Aigoo: DarkLancelot: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.

Oh, you mean like President Lincoln strongly supported it? And like those living in border states who were loyal to the Union government (even if their state had seceded) were bound by it until it was finally repealed nearly 3 months after the war's end, clearly indicating that plenty of Union government officials also supported it? Because, you know, only Southerners who had seceded just because they wanted to commit the reprehensible act of owning another human being would support such a thing, right?

Slavery is an abomination, and so were the Fugitive Slave Laws (of both 1793 and 1850). But no one here gets to play morally superior except VT, CT, RI, Mass, Michigan, Maine, Kansas and Wisconsin, which are the states which passed laws against the FSA and declined to enforce it, instead extending habeas corpus, jury trial, and civil due process rights to all, regardless of color or charges and punishing those who lied--even white men who claimed black men and women were slaves when they were not. Wisconsin declared the FSA unConstitutional and the Federal Gov't told them it superceded their state laws. That alone would have been enough to turn me secessionist because it's farking tyranny. But Lincoln himself said that if he could preserve the Union by outlawing slavery he would and if he could preserve the Union by keeping slavery legal, he would. So no, the Civil War was ...


But you have to admit it goes against the States' Rights argument since the law clearly superseded the laws of abolitionist states and points out the hypocrisy of the States' Rights argument.
 
2013-02-18 01:44:59 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


They vote Republican, that makes them the problem.
 
2013-02-18 01:48:04 AM  
Hubie stewart, you call your daughter a critter but the south is a she...

Ridiculous :)
 
2013-02-18 01:51:12 AM  

Jument: megarian: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit

Yeah but you'd move anywhere in a heartbeat, because Detroit.


She doesn't live in Detroit. Nobody moves there. They just move near it and lie, or they are born there and haven't had a chance to leave.

I live fifteen minutes from Detroit. I do NOT live in detroit, but I live near lots of people who think they do.
 
2013-02-18 01:51:35 AM  

12349876: Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.

They vote Republican, that makes them the problem.


I suppose you have a solution to this Republican  problem?
 
2013-02-18 01:56:10 AM  

hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)


can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?
 
2013-02-18 01:59:26 AM  
hubiestubert:

Holy cow. A well-reasoned and extremely thoughtful comment on fark. All good reading, and I have to comment on one bit:

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.

I was thinking about this a couple months ago as the latest bit of TX Gov. Rick Perry's "Cancer Prevention" fund - several billion bucks of taxpayer money - is documented as being managed by people with the ethics of Ken Lay, the oversight of their auditors, and apparent outrage that anyone would actually have a problem with them simply writing checks from the treasury to their donors and friends. And this is one of the smaller scandals in TX government. Current scandals.

I grew up in the NYC area, and there were scandals all the time, it seemed there wasn't a month when some politician was being perp-walked into an arraignment hearing. But that was the point: Stealing from the government was considered bad, and if you found out someone was doing it, you had them locked up. You might find a co-conspirator, might get away with it for a few years - but sooner or later, you'd get sloppy, you'd get fired, financially ruined, and go to prison, along with all the people stupid enough to get in on your genius scheme.

Hell, a few months ago I happened to be visiting relatives up there and picked up the local paper. Some local elected official was on their way to jail for mis-using a parking permit. Total value, probably south of $500. And people were outraged, demanding the guy's head on a stake. Perfectly understandable, they *should* be angry at thieves.

Much of the anti-government sentiment in the south can probably be traced to the face that so much of government in the south is fundamentally corrupt, in an open and brazen manner, and many voters who consider themselves republican might well be voting to re-elect Rick Perry and similar crooks on the theory that with democrats, there would simply be more crooks. If your only experience with government is with people like George Wallace, Rick Perry, and George W. Bush, and whatever the urine-sample guy in FL's name is, you'd probably assume (with some justification) that the only hope to limit the level of thievery is to limit the number of thieves.
 
2013-02-18 02:03:17 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?


After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.
 
2013-02-18 02:05:50 AM  

Bastard Toadflax: quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?

That would make a good movie title.


Backwards state longs for the good old days: Mississippi Yearning
 
2013-02-18 02:08:09 AM  

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


Except abortion. Illegal in MissHippie and Kansas but for one clinic each. At least that's balanced by medical marijuana sticking its proverbial camel's nose into the tent.
 
2013-02-18 02:10:03 AM  

hubiestubert: Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?

After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.


Makes sense. I was curious since you had mentioned that the war had changed his views on a number of things. It must have been frustrating (even if only a little) to return to the South after those changes, especially if it was one of those things you didn't talk about (I have no idea if that's true),
 
2013-02-18 02:23:35 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: Uchiha_Cycliste: hubiestubert: ruta: And it was a fascinating post but by about the third sentence my inner reader flipped to the voice of Morgan Freeman, which made the hints that the narrator is white sound very weird.

If it is any consolation, my mother is Japanese, and I was born in Okinawa. ;)

can I ask if they met before or after Vietnam?

After my Dad's last tour. He lied about his age, and went, then signed up for another. He was all of twenty when I came along, having met a pretty native girl. He was 19 when they met, and a seasoned vet. It was an odd time.

Makes sense. I was curious since you had mentioned that the war had changed his views on a number of things. It must have been frustrating (even if only a little) to return to the South after those changes, especially if it was one of those things you didn't talk about (I have no idea if that's true),


My father was from Mizzoura. Little town called Freeman just outside of KC. I was raised in the South, because that was where he got stationed, and where my Grandmother was transferred with JP while he got to travel to exotic lands, and keep young men from splashing pieces of themselves over the landscape. I was raised in the South, because that's where we got stationed. Like a lot of Army Brats, I don't really have the roots that a lot of folks have. Facebook likes to ask what my "hometown" is and that's a concept that changed so often, that it's sort of nonsensical. By the time I was 12, I had six nations on my passport, and lived in more towns than I had years. Still a bit of a nomad, and sometimes folks give me the "Aw, you poor dear" when they realize how often I've moved over the years, but then again, you get a perspective about the country when you travel it. Not just travel and play tourist, but live there for a year or two and then you find somewhere else. Heck, did the seasonal thing for several years while I was in college--lived in my college town, moved to where the work was in the summer, and then moved back to said college town, and that's been the pattern for most of my life.

I do sort of get wistful when I hear Please Come to Boston, because it would be nice to have a place to call home for more than a year or two, but then again, that's been the pattern of my life...
 
2013-02-18 02:24:10 AM  

Taylor Mental: Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.
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He said that when black on black crime is a serious issue in your area, whether or not some cracker looked at you with that "boy, what you doing in my shop?" look is eye rolling but less likely to cause physical harm.
 
2013-02-18 02:25:22 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


The Simpsons are in Mississippi? Wow, where did you develop your researching talents?
 
2013-02-18 02:27:11 AM  
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.


Craziest thing is it has to take an immigrant 150 years later to bring this to light for Mississippi to get it right..
 
2013-02-18 02:34:11 AM  

Kevin72: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

The Simpsons are in Mississippi? Wow, where did you develop your researching talents?


Mississippi?
 
2013-02-18 02:34:52 AM  
So a brown dude figures the whole thing out and a white guy and his family get all the credit?
 
2013-02-18 02:36:23 AM  
The best part of Mississippi, and also Alabama, North Florida, Louisiana is the ghosts. Way more peaceful, present, and focused than in other parts of the country.
 
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