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2013-02-17 09:26:31 PM
That night, Batra - a native of India who became a U.S. citizen in 2008 - went on the usconstitution.net website, learning the rest of the story.

Mississippi? Learning?

Well, *that* makes a nice change.

But there was an asterisk beside Mississippi

Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?
 
2013-02-17 09:32:49 PM
I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.
 
2013-02-17 09:38:30 PM
They're just ahead of the curve for the time when it's revoked and people are auctioned off to cover their debts.
 
2013-02-17 09:59:43 PM
Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.
 
2013-02-17 10:12:35 PM
I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:56 PM

DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.


They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.
 
2013-02-17 10:21:17 PM
DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

yea, no shiat. Juneteenth exists because Texas decided to keep the abolition of slavery under wraps.
 
2013-02-17 10:28:41 PM
Another pointless piece of legislative grandstanding.
 
2013-02-17 10:32:32 PM
Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...
 
2013-02-17 10:50:44 PM

Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.
 
2013-02-17 11:19:49 PM
So, it was a symbolic ratification (obviously), and Mississippi is slow. Which is not news. On the other hand, progress in Mississippi? Credit where credit is due.
 
2013-02-17 11:20:15 PM

quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?


That would make a good movie title.
 
2013-02-17 11:23:45 PM
From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?
 
2013-02-17 11:24:46 PM

ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?


Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?
 
2013-02-17 11:26:11 PM

hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...


It's pretty amazing how the attitude towards slavery expressed by those Mississippians seem pretty much in line with modern America. Maybe it was because they were turned off by a black man owning white slaves, but almost to a man the people were unapologetically against slavery.

There was one guy who wasn't totally against it. There's always one.
 
2013-02-17 11:26:18 PM
So Georgia ratified it in 1864 but it wasn't even proposed until 1865. I call that forward thinking on Georgia's part or shiatty writing and editing.
 
2013-02-17 11:26:29 PM

ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?


I thought the same thing.
 
2013-02-17 11:27:04 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


Reading wasn't fundamental back then.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:30 PM

Generation_D: // But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.


Yes. States Rights to legally to own slaves.
These morons act as if these are different subjects.

/Kudzu-covers up most of the shiat in Mississippi. But you can still smell it.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:04 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

They went back and had ratification votes later.  Mississippi didn't manage to do it in 1995 because paperwork is confusing and shiat.


That's the nicest way I've ever seen someone allude to an illiterate state.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:19 PM

DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.


There weren't enough Northern States to ratify it alone.  Remember, it was the North's position that the South never left the Union.
 
2013-02-17 11:35:20 PM
Sorry, but you can't put the   toothpasteslaves back in the tube.
 
2013-02-17 11:42:01 PM
Now, hold your horses...When we are talking about "Mississippi" which is special kind of retarded, I mean special.
 
2013-02-17 11:45:04 PM
Too bad it doesn't matter.

Supremacy clause and all that...
 
2013-02-17 11:45:35 PM

Bastard Toadflax: quatchi: Mississippi? Learning?

That would make a good movie title.


www.dbcovers.com

If I had any PS skillz...
 
2013-02-17 11:46:17 PM

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: I didn't think any Southern state ratified the 13th amendment, as it was passed without them.

There weren't enough Northern States to ratify it alone.  Remember, it was the North's position that the South never left the Union.


I actually thought it was required to rejoin the Union
 
2013-02-17 11:47:15 PM
I downloaded Lincoln about six weeks ago but can't seem to find the right time to watch. Every time I start it and get settled in I wind up falling asleep. Maybe it's the pork rinds?
 
2013-02-17 11:47:48 PM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


It's OK. It's OK. We promise Mississippi really isn't a backwards, shiathole. Why, I hear Mississippi is the crown jewel of the U.S. A shining beacon of enlightenment and not at all a backwards, awful place largely composed of trailer parks and meth addicts.
 
2013-02-17 11:47:53 PM
I remember a bit on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update.
Dennis Miller read this story about Mississippi finally ratifying the 13th amendment.

"sources say they would have gotten around to it sooner but they had this big cotton crop that had to be brought in"
 
2013-02-17 11:51:32 PM

quatchi: Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?


Neither of those players is in the Hall of Fame.
 
2013-02-17 11:52:14 PM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


Of course not, most Mississippi stupid is black stupid. The white stupid can barely be heard.
 
2013-02-17 11:52:19 PM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


The Supremacy clause has nothing (or little) to do with whether or not states can quarter troops in your home.  The Bill of Rights did not apply to the states until sometime after the 13th and 14th Amendments were ratified and the various rights covered by the Bill of Rights were 'incorporated' against the stated under the post civil war amendments.  Technically the 3rd Amendment has never been held to apply to the states by the Supreme Court, mostly because it doesn't come up very often.  There was one case where the 2nd Circuit held that the 3rd Amendment applied to states attempting to quarter National Guard troops in prison housing during a prison guard strike.  That's the only case I can find that suggested the 3rd Amendment applies to the states and it held that it was because of the 14th Amendment.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:00 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


Well, I don't know about anyone else but that post totes convinced me that Mississippi no longer has a problem with race relations.

/Totes.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:31 PM

Shaggy_C: I bet most states haven't passed a law banning the quartering of troops in peacetime, either. The supremacy clause kind of got that federal versus state question pretty well settled.


yes but... slavery had a state's rights flavor to it and I'm serious, some people still think it would be good or right to have slavery. So it makes a nice 'were with the program' statement.

and on a side note:
I get pretty torqued when I'm in West Virgina and see all the rebel flag crap and hear about 'our heritage'.  FFS WV split from Virginia as WV opposed slavery and VA did not.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:41 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


Of course it wasn't.
*pats head*
 
2013-02-17 11:55:11 PM

red5ish: quatchi: Like with Bonds and McGuire in the Hall of Fame?

Neither of those players is in the Hall of Fame.


Yeah, I was referring to Hank Aaron's suggestion that if they do get in that it be with asterisks beside their name.

It was either that or try to work an Obelix and Getafix joke in there and it wasn't happening.
 
2013-02-17 11:56:21 PM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.


www.diabetesmine.com
 
2013-02-17 11:56:22 PM

Corvus: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

I thought the same thing.


It says "some didn't vote", that's NOT the same as abstaining.  It could simply mean they were not present for the vote, which is pretty common.  It's not at all unusual for even the US Senate or House to have members not present for a vote, even on big things.
 
2013-02-17 11:57:21 PM

Person: Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.

It's OK. It's OK. We promise Mississippi really isn't a backwards, shiathole. Why, I hear Mississippi is the crown jewel of the U.S. A shining beacon of enlightenment and not at all a backwards, awful place largely composed of trailer parks and meth addicts.


think your confusing Mississippi with Kentucky...

but anyways, as some who is from Mississippi and lived everywhere else. Mississippi is no worse then any where else in country once you get out side of there "Cultural center"

People kinda of forget about the Gulf Coast that is basically New Orleans on the beach
 
2013-02-17 11:57:42 PM
Well since I'm in Alabama all I can say is thank you Mississippi ; )
 
2013-02-18 12:00:14 AM

hubiestubert: Rusty Cundieff did a bit about this on TV Nation, and he bought the last legal slaves...


Mr Moore looks like he lost weight since I saw him on South Park.
 
2013-02-18 12:01:50 AM

Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.


Someone of a like mind I see.  I love asking how the States' Rights people can try and support the FSA, like all of the states that rebelled surely did.
 
2013-02-18 12:03:03 AM

Lsherm: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?


Anyone know a way to fact check that. My guess is most of them were absent, however, the way it is worded in the article about "some didn't vote" makes me believe that yes, some people honestly abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995. I could be reading more into it, but it would be fascinating to see if any of the abstains were in person.
 
2013-02-18 12:03:55 AM

Rufus Lee King: Let me reiterate: I grew up in Mississippi and the white population was NOT the problem.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-18 12:07:44 AM

TheManofPA: Lsherm: ansius: From the article:
'The resolution passed both the Mississippi Senate and House.
"It was unanimous," Frazier recalled. "Some didn't vote, but we didn't receive a 'nay' vote."'

Who the Fark abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995?

Maybe people who weren't there for the vote?

Anyone know a way to fact check that. My guess is most of them were absent, however, the way it is worded in the article about "some didn't vote" makes me believe that yes, some people honestly abstained from voting on an anti-slavery bill in 1995. I could be reading more into it, but it would be fascinating to see if any of the abstains were in person.


Meh, I'm sure there is.  Not doing the work, though.
 
2013-02-18 12:08:15 AM

Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.


I like to mention 3/5 a person in response.
 
2013-02-18 12:09:36 AM
the lincoln movie is pure history, and in no way propaganda. historical inaccuracies were not intentional. that's why it's being sent to school children for historical purposes.
 
2013-02-18 12:14:30 AM

Born2Fart: Aar1012: Generation_D: Why repeal a law that was imposed by Northern Carpetbaggers during the Great War of Northern Aggression. The South will Rise again, and once it does these laws will be needed to still be in place.

// But the Civil War was not about slavery, but rather States Rights.

I know that you were being facetious, but I always like to ask about the Fugitive Slave Act when someone does mention the States' Rights thing.

I like to mention 3/5 a person in response.


So if 5 ni-bongs managed to vote how exactly would they divvy up the 3 votes?

/just wondering
 
2013-02-18 12:19:14 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


I grew up in Mississippi. On the coast. I would move back in a heartbeat.

/lives in Detroit
//would move back either way
///yeah, Detroit
 
2013-02-18 12:22:59 AM

Rufus Lee King: Good Lord, yet another race-baiting, white-people-are-evil thread on FARK? Amazing

P.S. I grew up in Mississippi. Did any of you? It's not like it's portrayed on "The Simpsons", or whatever. Goddamned racists.Seriously.


Old Son, I grew up in the South. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana. Few times in each and I love the South. I love the people, I love the culture, the food, and the history, the pride of place, the fishing, the hunting, even the snakes and critters.

But the South if a dichotomy of both pride and gentility laid over a background that has virulent hate and ignorance. It's not just the poor white trash, in Atlanta there are gated communities for primarily black families, and for a reason. One cannot grow up in the South without an appreciation for that history, and some of that history is less than kindly.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was in a place called Whitmire, South Carolina. Logging country, and smack dab in some of the finest timber country in the whole state, owned primarily by my neighbors, who rented their parent's old home to my Grandmother. Not even near at a fair price, they happened to like her because she was upper management at the JP Regal plant down the road. They wanted someone nice to look after the old place. The thing that struck me, and I didn't realize this really until a few years later, despite being in the heart of the South, I don't recall a single black face in the town of Whitmire itself. In the plant, certainly. In the surrounding towns. Not in my school. These were generous, church going folk. Kind, warm, gentle, with always a good word. I walked the streets, and learned to ride my bike there. I went to the drug store to get a cherry phosphate or ice cream. It wasn't until years later that I realized that the town was very much segregated, and not by anything so blatant as "Whites Only" signs, but houses simply didn't go to rent or for sale often. There were certainly black faces at the church when there were interfaith events, but not in our very pleasant Methodist church. Plenty of black faces at the plant, and certainly near, but not in town. These warm and gentle people very kindly excluded a certain element in their town, and it wasn't with hate or sign carrying, just a sort of benign shrug when it came to where folks lived, and that is only part of that dichotomy. I loved that town, I had some of my favorite teachers in those years, but let's not get it f*cked up that there was something going on.

In Louisiana, in DeRidder, and in Monroe, things were a bit more mixed. There was tension at times, but as an Army Brat, I didn't really take notice. I didn't really care, because my father didn't, and while my Grandmother had a few racist bones in her, she warmed over the years as I brought friends home, and she realized that maybe she was wrong. My father, a deadly violent man, was many things: an alcoholic, abusive at times, angry with the world, bitter at times, but he wasn't a racist. Too many things happened to him in Vietnam for him to worry about who pulled him up and out of a mess to worry about what color they were. Too many of the troops he trained and worked with relied on one another for him to promote that sort of thinking. That doesn't mean that I didn't notice the tension, or why.

The South is a melange of forces and influences, and even by the waters, things are often murky with how folks relate to one another. You can't love a place, without acknowledging all its quirks and influences, and ignorance and blinding hate often go hand in hand with culture of gentility and grace, hate mixed with love of place, love of neighbor, and to ignore it, is to allow it to fester. Better to get it in the open, deal with it--like we did with my Grandmother, and then ease the worst parts out by acknowledging where things have gone wrong. The South, it can claim that it was the War of Northern Aggression, and carpetbaggers, that consigned it to years of stagnation and hate, but that is to ignore the real and underlying rot that infected the South for longer. A slave system fostered a lot of ignorance. A political system that promoted hate over peace, that looked to demonize others, as opposed to dealing with its own issues, and an economic system that took advantage of a lot of folks, and allowed their schools to stagnate as much as their economy, while taking the best and brightest, and keeping them walled up.

Despite this, the South is an amazing place. Full of people who are warm and kind, generous and God fearing, and filled with wonders and pride of place. It also goes with that, a lot of blind and ancient hatreds that go back to that very code of honor that doesn't let sleeping dogs lay, and the holding onto that history, also keeps the same hatreds in play all these years later, and looking for scapegoats, and plenty of folks who managed to make a killing on the backs of the ignorant like to keep them exactly there, and keep their eyes pointed away from those who are responsible for their plight, and who are looking to rape the very lands that they love so dear.

The worst critics of the South, they aren't the folks who have never been, but those who have lived and breathed in these lands, who have red clay baked into their souls, and who understand her; her waters, her forests, her rivers and streams, and loving her, want her to rise above the years and come out better. Freer. Who understand her potential, the depth of her people, and still recognize that there is a long way to go to making her live up to that potential.

Racism isn't alone responsible for the conditions in the South, it is a symptom of a rot deep in the halls of power, and exploited and nursed along, to give folks something to point to as a reason. You can love the South and acknowledge that. You can love a place, and a people, and still have eyes open on her faults and her challenges.
 
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