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(Chron)   The Alamo will exhibit the historic "victory or death" letter written by Lt. Col. William Travis. The letter will be displayed in the Alamo's basement   (chron.com) divider line 74
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2013-02-17 02:57:05 PM  
In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of Leopard?
 
2013-02-17 03:05:59 PM  
I'll go check it out, after I find my bicycle.
 
2013-02-17 03:43:43 PM  
 
2013-02-17 04:02:06 PM  
farm9.staticflickr.com

/obscure?
 
2013-02-17 04:29:56 PM  

calbert: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x350]

/obscure?


It's so obscure it's directly referenced in the headline and in every comment thereafter.
 
2013-02-17 05:46:35 PM  
Right next to the plans for the hyperspace bypass...
 
2013-02-17 05:48:19 PM  
I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.
 
2013-02-17 05:50:36 PM  
SPOILER:We're not all speaking German.
 
2013-02-17 05:51:03 PM  

emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.


This is the worst post in the thread.  It is neither a H2G2 or a Peewee reference.

fark you.
 
2013-02-17 05:54:02 PM  

emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.


What are you talking about?  It's not a Taco Bell.  It's a place to watch movies and drink beer at the same time.
 
2013-02-17 05:56:06 PM  
I'm guessing that the answer was "Death", amirite?
 
2013-02-17 05:57:12 PM  
Oh, that's that must be the war where Davy Crockett was caught cowardly fleeing and abandoning his friends at the Alamo.
 
2013-02-17 06:01:37 PM  

emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.


They understood that in the future ALL restaurants are Taco Bell
 
2013-02-17 06:02:42 PM  
PW just got picked up hitchhiking by Large Marge.
 
2013-02-17 06:02:47 PM  
It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-02-17 06:04:09 PM  
www.aerojockey.com
 
2013-02-17 06:04:37 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

/ 71F and sunny today :-)
 
2013-02-17 06:08:45 PM  

calbert: /obscure?


Are you retarded?
 
2013-02-17 06:13:24 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: calbert: /obscure?

Are you retarded?


How does the hook in your mouth feel?
 
2013-02-17 06:14:51 PM  
I'll come back later once this turns into a race-baiting biatch and moan thread.

/won't take long
 
2013-02-17 06:16:01 PM  
gorillafilmmagazineblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-17 06:16:24 PM  
"There are thousands and thousands of uses for corn, all of which I will explain to you, RIGHT NOW!"

/met Jan Hooks once
//giggity
///CSB
 
2013-02-17 06:20:28 PM  

aerojockey: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: calbert: /obscure?

Are you retarded?

How does the hook in your mouth feel?


Like a garbage truck dropped off the Empire State Building.
 
2013-02-17 06:32:01 PM  

TheBigLie: It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.


Um...what?
 
2013-02-17 06:33:38 PM  
Next to the bicycle?
 
2013-02-17 06:39:26 PM  
Forgot about that place...
 
2013-02-17 06:47:49 PM  
David Crockett died of rabies after being attacked by a stampeding herd of raccoons.

img46.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-17 06:49:05 PM  

aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]


Why is Mexican in quotes?
 
2013-02-17 06:53:31 PM  

TheBigLie: It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.


Slavery was not the central reason.  There were several other Mexican states that rebeled at the same time, and slavery had been conceded prior to the revolution.   The Bexar Remonstrance outlines most of the issues which were complicated when Santa Anna centeralized the government.
 
2013-02-17 06:56:49 PM  

TheBigLie: It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.


The Texans were just demonstrating the time-honored principle that when you immigrate to another country you speak their language, adopt their customs, and above all, obey their laws.
 
2013-02-17 06:58:21 PM  

Perducci: emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.

What are you talking about?  It's not a Taco Bell.  It's a place to watch movies and drink beer at the same time.


Have you tried the cookies and ice cream?  All fresh baked and gooey.  Bonus:  no childrens.  Best movie chain evar.

/after the Alamo, hit Boudro's for some fresh guacamole and a prickly pear margarita
 
2013-02-17 06:58:25 PM  
What's surprising to learn is that those who took a stand at the Alamo didn't last very long at all.  Once the Mexican Army decided to attack they lasted something like 90 minutes.  Small surprise, really, given how enormously outnumbered they were.
 
2013-02-17 07:04:37 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of Leopard?


DONE IN ONE.

/ Came here to say this.

// Fists, shaking.  And it's not because I just had sugar.
 
2013-02-17 07:16:48 PM  

revrendjim: TheBigLie: It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.

The Texans were just demonstrating the time-honored principle that when you immigrate to another country you speak their language, adopt their customs, and above all, obey their laws.


Sorry, I'm not going to support Santa Anna on this one. It's thanks to him that northern Mexico is an impoverished wasteland today: The revolution actually started there, not in Texas.
 
2013-02-17 07:21:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: revrendjim: TheBigLie: It seems typical of American rhetoric that "Liberty or Death" is their battle cry when one of their grievances was the fact they couldn't keep slaves.  Did no one back then even notice this?  It's almost like the First Amendment should have been the right to cognitive dissonance.

The Texans were just demonstrating the time-honored principle that when you immigrate to another country you speak their language, adopt their customs, and above all, obey their laws.

Sorry, I'm not going to support Santa Anna on this one. It's thanks to him that northern Mexico is an impoverished wasteland today: The revolution actually started there, not in Texas.


I actually know this, I was just throwing down some snark.
 
2013-02-17 07:22:34 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/I can paste images into the comment editor now?
 
2013-02-17 07:23:10 PM  

LordOfThePings: [gorillafilmmagazineblog.files.wordpress.com image 430x306]


Victory cake, please.
 
2013-02-17 07:28:04 PM  
They got shag carpet down there?
 
2013-02-17 07:32:41 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: calbert: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x350]

/obscure?

It's so obscure it's directly referenced in the headline and in every comment thereafter.


You seem tense.
www.i-mockery.com
Let's dance.
 
2013-02-17 07:34:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: What's surprising to learn is that those who took a stand at the Alamo didn't last very long at all.  Once the Mexican Army decided to attack they lasted something like 90 minutes.  Small surprise, really, given how enormously outnumbered they were.



    and even more surprising is 5,000 Mexican troops were transported to San Antonio in six wagons....
 
2013-02-17 07:35:04 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of Leopard?


I see I'm not needed here.
 
2013-02-17 07:40:25 PM  

jaytkay: aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]

Why is Mexican in quotes?


Much of the troops attacking the Alamo were fellow Texans, who, for whatever reason thought that "Mexican" rule worked for them.

/And it was between seasons and the farmers could make some extra money...
//Anna had to charge 'cause it was gettin' on to plantin' time.
 
2013-02-17 07:43:49 PM  
Ya.  The general idea I had on the Texas revolution was a bunch of Americans moved there, Santa Anna turned it into a craphole, so they said we wanna be part of America now.  They may have had a very valid point, but still.  They were rebelling against the government of the country they voluntarily moved to.  If this happened in modern times most people here on fark would tell em to move back to their own country and quit whining.

FTA it makes me think of medication ads   Zit-be-gone.  removes acne.  side effects may include headache, nausea, death, rash
Liberty for Texas!!  Santa Anna's a dick, treats us like crap, several legitimate gripes, wont let us keep slaves, turned this country into a slum.  LIBERTY
 
2013-02-17 07:51:57 PM  

Mikeyworld: jaytkay: aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]

Why is Mexican in quotes?

Much of the troops attacking the Alamo were fellow Texans, who, for whatever reason thought that "Mexican" rule worked for them.

/And it was between seasons and the farmers could make some extra money...
//Anna had to charge 'cause it was gettin' on to plantin' time.


While there may have been a few levies involved that Santa Ana picked up along the way, I suggest you find a better source for your history.
 
2013-02-17 07:53:19 PM  
Any 26 year old soldier in 2013 would be ridiculed and tossed aside based solely on age, much less lead an army or small force. It's hard for me to understand why we venerate young people in the past and constantly defecate on them in the present.
 
2013-02-17 07:59:29 PM  

Avenger: Any 26 year old soldier in 2013 would be ridiculed and tossed aside based solely on age, much less lead an army or small force. It's hard for me to understand why we venerate young people in the past and constantly defecate on them in the present.


Because to too many people their children are precious snow flakes that must be nursed until they turn 30, then they can't get them out of the house fast enough.
 
2013-02-17 08:06:41 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Come on Simone, let's talk about your big but.
 
2013-02-17 08:11:43 PM  
Keep it away from Ozzy on his next visit!
 
hej
2013-02-17 08:15:34 PM  
This thread makes me sad that PWH isn't available for streaming on Netflix :(
 
2013-02-17 08:20:17 PM  
A British guy, a French dude ,a Mexican,and a Texan are on a plane.The captain comes on the radio and says,"We have lost Engine 1 ,please throw all the luggage and any unused seats out of the airplane to lighten the load." So they do. Then he comes back on the radio and says,"We have lost Engine 2,would anyone please jump out of the plane to lighten the load." The British guy volunteers to and as he jumps out he screams"God save the Queen!" Then the pilot comes back on the radio and says,"We have lost Engine 3,would someone else volunteer to jump out of plane to lighten the load." So the french guy jumps out of the plane and screams,"Viva La France!"Then before the pilot can say anything else the Texan grabs the Mexican, throws him out, and  screams ....."REMEMBER THE ALAMO!
 
2013-02-17 08:20:51 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of Leopard?


Don't be silly.  That's where we keep the bypass plans.
 
2013-02-17 08:26:31 PM  
Isn't it nice that these Progs hate everything that even smacks of honor and pride in the American Ideal? They are absolutely compelled to attack and mock the slightest hint of legendary American myth.

The beauty of it all, tho, is that they have long since reduced themselves to subhuman status. Their hatred of non-socialists has resulted in a reaction that they will find to be historic, and massive...

By all means, keep it up. No one would dream of building new gas tight showers and crematoriums, and processing units based on Leftist voter rolls and union memberships lists...
 
2013-02-17 08:29:48 PM  

EggSniper: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 829x407]

/I can paste images into the comment editor now?


Thank you for that.
 
2013-02-17 08:35:20 PM  

TheBigLie: They may have had a very valid point, but still. They were rebelling against the government of the country they voluntarily moved to.


They were rebelling against a dictator who took over the government of the country they moved to.  Santa Anna disolved congress and established a dictatorship. American immigrant Texans were not the ony ones who rebelled. Mamy Mexicans in Texas , as well as several other Mexican states also rebelled, among them:  Coahuila y Tejas, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and Zacatecas.

 Texas was the only one that succeeded.  Had they failed the people of the US Southwest would now be enjoying the same high standard of living now enjoyed by the people of Mexico.

The rebellion started out as an effort to restore the Constitution of 1824 not gain independence.


/The more you know.
 
2013-02-17 08:37:04 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.

They understood that in the future ALL restaurants are Taco Bell


Taco Bell in San Antonio can suck it.  Taco Cabana is the only place to go for "Mexican" fast food.  And most, if not all, are open 24/7.
 
2013-02-17 08:39:55 PM  
postcardsfromsanantonio.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-17 08:44:05 PM  
daxxenos, at least have the decency to confine your obvious threadshiatting to the Politics sewer tab, plzkthx.
 
2013-02-17 08:49:23 PM  
Lok'tar Ogar?
 
2013-02-17 08:54:11 PM  

DarthBart: Representative of the unwashed masses: emersonbiggins: I'll never fully understand why the first Taco Bell meant so much to Texas settlers, but here we are.

They understood that in the future ALL restaurants are Taco Bell

Taco Bell in San Antonio can suck it.  Taco Cabana is the only place to go for "Mexican" fast food.  And most, if not all, are open 24/7.



Plus they serve beer and margaritas.  The quality of their food as declined in recent years but still better than Taco Bell.
 
2013-02-17 09:06:11 PM  
Don't go there!
 
2013-02-17 09:08:05 PM  

hasty ambush: They were rebelling against a dictator who took over the government of the country they moved to. Santa Anna disolved congress and established a dictatorship. American immigrant Texans were not the ony ones who rebelled. Mamy Mexicans in Texas , as well as several other Mexican states also rebelled, among them: Coahuila y Tejas, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and Zacatecas.

Texas was the only one that succeeded. Had they failed the people of the US Southwest would now be enjoying the same high standard of living now enjoyed by the people of Mexico.

The rebellion started out as an effort to restore the Constitution of 1824 not gain independence.


/The more you know.


That makes more sense. I'll have to find a history of Mexico, post spanish colony through the Mexican American war. Sounds like it'd be an interesting bit of history.

Just once though, I'd like to see an American battle cry of "We're going to attack you to contain communism" or "You're threatening our oil supply!" or "In 30 years they might have the ability to actually hurt a small section of our country" rather than "Freedom"
 
2013-02-17 09:14:58 PM  
On that fateful day, Davy Crockett woke up and walked from his bunk on the floor of the Alamo up to the observation post on the west wall.

William B. Travis and Jim Bowie were up there already. The three gazed at the hordes of Mexicans moving steadily towards them.

Davy turned to Bowie with a puzzled look on his face and said, "Jim, are we landscaping today?"
 
2013-02-17 09:30:06 PM  
in 1982, Ozzy Osbourne was busted for urinating on the Cenotaph in front of the Alamo, he was banned from the city for almost 20 years. He has since been allowed to perform there.
 
2013-02-17 09:31:11 PM  

jaytkay: aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]

Why is Mexican in quotes?


You've got to be kidding me.
 
2013-02-17 09:44:14 PM  
Growing up in 1960s San Antonio us school kids were treated to several field trips to the Alamo every year where we were indoctrinated to the myth that the evil, arch villain Santa Ana and Mexicans had unfairly slaughtered our freedom loving heroes in an epic battle of monumental proportions. As we all know now it was just a little squabble, the real battle for Texas Independence happened in San Jacinto.

Turns out those freedom fighters had all immigrated to the country of Mexico from Europe and agreed by law to become Catholics in exchange for free land and protection from the savage Comanches marauding the land at the time. Then, when the government of Mexico got tired of the settlers subverting society by worshiping a pagan deity (imagine that) and started enforcing the law, they decided they'd rather be part of the United States. Yea, I know, everyone thinks Texas was an independent country and that's what it wanted. But that's wrong. The whole idea was to get statehood. But the government of the US at the time didn't want their stinking asses.

It warms my heart that The Alamo is such a great internet meme/joke involving Ozzy Osbourne and Pee Wee Herman. Because for so many years those old biatches who guarded the place wouldn't even let a picture be taken inside its walls. It wasn't until around 2004 they allowed the Today Show and Jane Pauley to do a sit down interview inside. I mean, it's pretty damn obvious what they've been doing to maintain the charade all these years.

As a historic battle site the Alamo has enjoyed a level of sacredness few other houses of worship enjoy. And they let you know it with the plaque on the front door
farm8.staticflickr.com
They act like you're visiting the Vatican or something.
 
2013-02-17 09:58:51 PM  
Approves.

/obscure?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-17 09:59:10 PM  

Taylor Mental: Growing up in 1960s San Antonio us school kids were treated to several field trips to the Alamo every year where we were indoctrinated to the myth that the evil, arch villain Santa Ana and Mexicans had unfairly slaughtered our freedom loving heroes in an epic battle of monumental proportions. As we all know now it was just a little squabble, the real battle for Texas Independence happened in San Jacinto.

Turns out those freedom fighters had all immigrated to the country of Mexico from Europe and agreed by law to become Catholics in exchange for free land and protection from the savage Comanches marauding the land at the time. Then, when the government of Mexico got tired of the settlers subverting society by worshiping a pagan deity (imagine that) and started enforcing the law, they decided they'd rather be part of the United States. Yea, I know, everyone thinks Texas was an independent country and that's what it wanted. But that's wrong. The whole idea was to get statehood. But the government of the US at the time didn't want their stinking asses.

It warms my heart that The Alamo is such a great internet meme/joke involving Ozzy Osbourne and Pee Wee Herman. Because for so many years those old biatches who guarded the place wouldn't even let a picture be taken inside its walls. It wasn't until around 2004 they allowed the Today Show and Jane Pauley to do a sit down interview inside. I mean, it's pretty damn obvious what they've been doing to maintain the charade all these years.

As a historic battle site the Alamo has enjoyed a level of sacredness few other houses of worship enjoy. And they let you know it with the plaque on the front door
[farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x426]
They act like you're visiting the Vatican or something.


   I'm not very political but that was very well said...I think everyone,by now,realizes that Crockett,Travis,Bowie and probably most of those guys were not there for any freedom cause...Rather they were thinking about coin...
 
2013-02-17 10:31:20 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: calbert: /obscure?

Are you retarded?


I know you are but what am I?
 
2013-02-17 10:37:14 PM  

hdhale: Mikeyworld: jaytkay: aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]

Why is Mexican in quotes?

Much of the troops attacking the Alamo were fellow Texans, who, for whatever reason thought that "Mexican" rule worked for them.

/And it was between seasons and the farmers could make some extra money...
//Anna had to charge 'cause it was gettin' on to plantin' time.

While there may have been a few levies involved that Santa Ana picked up along the way, I suggest you find a better source for your history.


My story...

Whaddya think this is? News?
 
2013-02-17 10:41:23 PM  

hasty ambush: TheBigLie: They may have had a very valid point, but still. They were rebelling against the government of the country they voluntarily moved to.

They were rebelling against a dictator who took over the government of the country they moved to.  Santa Anna disolved congress and established a dictatorship. American immigrant Texans were not the ony ones who rebelled. Mamy Mexicans in Texas , as well as several other Mexican states also rebelled, among them:  Coahuila y Tejas, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and Zacatecas.

 Texas was the only one that succeeded.  Had they failed the people of the US Southwest would now be enjoying the same high standard of living now enjoyed by the people of Mexico.

The rebellion started out as an effort to restore the Constitution of 1824 not gain independence.


/The more you know.


You forgot the slavery part.
 
2013-02-17 10:51:40 PM  
AcesFull: I'm not very political but that was very well said...I think everyone,by now,realizes that Crockett,Travis,Bowie and probably most of those guys were not there for any freedom cause...Rather they were thinking about coin...

Everything west of St. Louis in the early 1800s was wide open frontier where dozens of Indian tribes as well as bandits ruled everything. You were either seeking coin, desperate to survive, or just an outlaw if you went west in those days. The Mexican and US governments both gave land grants to settlers to encourage civilization on a vast frontier. That's about the only time you could say we truly lived in a free country, because if you could haul all your farming gear, your livestock, and your brood of 12 children laborers out to some remote plot in the middle of nowhere and start growing food you'd make a profit. Even if you had to fight Indians to get it done.
 
2013-02-18 07:54:15 AM  

Rufus Lee King: You people only think that there's no basement in the Alamo. They just want to keep the good stuff for themselves when it finally hits the fan.

[bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 760x481]


is there Dexedrine in that survival kit??
 
2013-02-18 10:46:04 AM  

Mikeyworld: jaytkay: aerojockey: [www.aerojockey.com image 640x677]

Why is Mexican in quotes?

Much of the troops attacking the Alamo were fellow Texans, indigenous conscripts who didn't even speak Spanish, for whatever reason thought that "Mexican" rule worked for them.

/And it was between seasons and the farmers could make some extra money...
//Anna had to charge 'cause it was gettin' on to plantin' time.


FTFM
 
2013-02-18 10:57:35 AM  

jaytkay: hasty ambush: TheBigLie: They may have had a very valid point, but still. They were rebelling against the government of the country they voluntarily moved to.

They were rebelling against a dictator who took over the government of the country they moved to.  Santa Anna disolved congress and established a dictatorship. American immigrant Texans were not the ony ones who rebelled. Mamy Mexicans in Texas , as well as several other Mexican states also rebelled, among them:  Coahuila y Tejas, San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, and Zacatecas.

 Texas was the only one that succeeded.  Had they failed the people of the US Southwest would now be enjoying the same high standard of living now enjoyed by the people of Mexico.

The rebellion started out as an effort to restore the Constitution of 1824 not gain independence.


/The more you know.

You forgot the slavery part.


The Texans rebelled because Mexico closed Texas for further immigration, imposed property taxes and outlawed slavery.
 
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