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(Telegraph)   Emperor Dronebama unveils the honorable order of the Cheeto to the best members of the 101 Chairborne   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 147
    More: Followup, Cheetos, Chairborne, Veterans of Foreign Wars, sanchez, Purple Heart, veterans, RAF, front lines  
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2013-02-17 01:11:29 PM  
I'd rank it with the Army Achievement Medal, or maybe slightly above, but no way in hell does it deserve to rank above the Purple Heart.
 
2013-02-17 01:21:06 PM  
A headline chock full of stupid for a story that went green last week

/great job, derpmeister van winkle
 
2013-02-17 01:57:35 PM  
Aww come on you cranks, that one last week was pretty nasty. This one actually made me laugh - twice once I realized the reference. You can respect their work and the magnitude of the decisions they have to make, and still have a good chuckle at the idea of the Order of the Cheeto.
 
2013-02-17 02:35:07 PM  
the plain truth is that the guy in the chair gets more done than some simple gun fodder on the front line. whether it's keeping data safe ,or taking out a group of entrenched bad guys from 4 thousand miles away . They contribute more.
 
2013-02-17 02:50:38 PM  
I thought you have to display courage and or sacrifice. Chair army does neither
 
2013-02-17 02:59:33 PM  

ClavellBCMI: I'd rank it with the Army Achievement Medal, or maybe slightly above, but no way in hell does it deserve to rank above the Purple Heart.

Enemy Sharpshooter Medal


Fixed
 
2013-02-17 03:08:52 PM  
i8.gamerz.be
blogoehlert.typepad.com
 
2013-02-17 03:48:55 PM  
once the civil war starts up around this country, there won't be anything to complain about anymore.  we'll ALL be living in a war zone.
 
2013-02-17 03:52:08 PM  

Weaver95: once the civil war WAR OF LIBERAL AGGRESSION starts up around this country, there won't be anything to complain about anymore.  we'll ALL be living in a war zone.


Fixed
 
2013-02-17 05:03:36 PM  
My original take on this story when it was greened last week was that it seemed counter-intuitive to give a medal to some desk jockey who didn't have anything but virtual skin in the game. But then someone pointed out the attrition and burnout rate among these guys and the fact that they are actually killing people albeit by proxy and they do deserve recognition for their work. Whether these medals should rank higher than those given to front line troops became the sticking point after that if I recall correctly.

That all laboriously pointed out, I *did* kinda get a cheap chuckle out of "Order of the Cheeto".

I'm low brow. Sue me.
 
2013-02-17 05:17:25 PM  

quatchi: the fact that they are actually killing people albeit by proxy and they do deserve recognition for their work


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2013-02-17 05:21:20 PM  

quatchi: My original take on this story when it was greened last week was that it seemed counter-intuitive to give a medal to some desk jockey who didn't have anything but virtual skin in the game. But then someone pointed out the attrition and burnout rate among these guys and the fact that they are actually killing people albeit by proxy and they do deserve recognition for their work. Whether these medals should rank higher than those given to front line troops became the sticking point after that if I recall correctly.

That all laboriously pointed out, I *did* kinda get a cheap chuckle out of "Order of the Cheeto".

I'm low brow. Sue me.


Yes, we should definitely celebrate murderers. Yay war!
 
2013-02-17 05:24:02 PM  

quatchi: killing people albeit by proxy


No they're just plain killing people. Doesn't matter if the signal from the button runs through 12 feet of copper to the missile on your wing or through some satellite up-links and assorted electronics wizardry.  Launching a missile is launching a missile.  Same as any other aircraft pilot. They may not face the same particular dangers as a bomber pilot but killing is killing.
 
2013-02-17 05:26:55 PM  

One Bad Apple: ClavellBCMI: I'd rank it with the Army Achievement Medal, or maybe slightly above, but no way in hell does it deserve to rank above the Purple Heart. Enemy Sharpshooter Medal


Fixed


My usual variant of that title is "Forgot To Use Cover" Medal
 
2013-02-17 05:31:00 PM  
www.wildsoundmovies.com
 
2013-02-17 05:32:05 PM  

sithon: the plain truth is that the guy in the chair gets more done than some simple gun fodder on the front line. whether it's keeping data safe ,or taking out a group of entrenched bad guys from 4 thousand miles away . They contribute more.


Medals of honor for the IT department

Yay participation!
 
2013-02-17 05:35:33 PM  
that headline gave me cancer. thanks, subby.
 
2013-02-17 05:35:43 PM  
Why not just award them with XBox live points or PSN Trophys?
 
2013-02-17 05:39:20 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Yes, we should definitely celebrate murderers. Yay war!


[tommyleejones]

You're free to call these guys that to their face anytime, ya know.

You are, of course, also perfectly free to petition your representatives to disband the entire US Military but it's probably not gonna happen. In the meantime the complexities of 21st century warfare have led the US to a point where drone strikes are considered the most efficient way of discouraging and defeating Al Qaeda and they have been authorized by Congress to do so. The people piloting those drones remotely belong to an organization that advances or stalls careers based on a number of factors, medals being a very longstanding factor. Therefore from a commonsense POV the military needs to reward the work or they will have a harder time filling the ranks.

Nobody is happy with the drone strikes but they are the option that exists between doing nothing and all out invasion/occupation.

Do you have a better idea?

Doktor_Zhivago: killing is killing.


Agreed. I do differentiate between "killing" and "murder" though.
 
2013-02-17 05:39:22 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: I thought you have to display courage and or sacrifice. Chair army does neither


...yet they suffer PTSD at the same rate as combat troops, so maybe you're... wrong?
 
2013-02-17 05:41:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 05:41:17 PM  
quatchi:
Agreed. I do differentiate between "killing" and "murder" though.

I don't see it as any different than pilots being ordered to bomb things.  The onus of legitimacy is on the administration not the guys doing what they're told.
 
2013-02-17 05:42:54 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: ourbigdumbmouth: I thought you have to display courage and or sacrifice. Chair army does neither

...yet they suffer PTSD at the same rate as combat troops, so maybe you're... wrong?


Or ptsd is the military version of SS disability or an easy way to un-re-up.
 
2013-02-17 05:45:10 PM  
quatchi: You're free to call these guys that to their face anytime, ya know.

Travel cost prove your statement to be false.
 
2013-02-17 05:46:43 PM  

quatchi: But then someone pointed out the attrition and burnout rate among these guys and the fact that they are actually killing people albeit by proxy and they do deserve recognition for their work.


they do. this isn't it.

last time this came up it was pointed out the supply and finance folks in afganistan were getting bronze stars. at least they were in theater, as they say. this article goes on to point out how bad medal creep has become and the huge disparity between the number of officers awarded medals and the enlisted ranks. not that it would surprise anyone.
 
2013-02-17 05:49:28 PM  

quatchi: someone pointed out the attrition and burnout rate among these guys


Yeah - give them a medal because their feelings might be hurt. Can you get a purple heart for hurt feelings?
 
2013-02-17 05:51:26 PM  

Curious: quatchi: But then someone pointed out the attrition and burnout rate among these guys and the fact that they are actually killing people albeit by proxy and they do deserve recognition for their work.

they do. this isn't it.

last time this came up it was pointed out the supply and finance folks in afganistan were getting bronze stars. at least they were in theater, as they say. this article goes on to point out how bad medal creep has become and the huge disparity between the number of officers awarded medals and the enlisted ranks. not that it would surprise anyone.


This has happened in every American war since the beginning of forever...  Some jackass decides to hand out medals to boost moral and before long they're all worthless.  It happened early in Vietnam and towards the end of WWII. The support services are vital for keeping the military running but there's always some dude who wants to act like it's the same thing as actual combat and so he starts this bullshiat up.,,, Eventually none of the medals have any meaning.
 
2013-02-17 05:52:42 PM  

ClavellBCMI:


My usual variant of that title is "Forgot To Use Cover" Medal


Low Crawl Failure award
 
2013-02-17 05:53:02 PM  
Oh god, it's the war of hardcore versus the casuals again, isn't it?
 
2013-02-17 05:53:51 PM  

HairBolus: Can you get a purple heart for hurt feelings?


I don't know.  Are you retarded?
 
2013-02-17 05:57:46 PM  
Doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. Odds are that the F-22 and F-35 will be among the last military planes designed to physically carry the pilot inside the aircraft. By the time they are retired from service in 40-60 years, I expect that 90% of extant military aircraft will be replaced with drones... with a couple of B52s sticking around for good measure, of course. :)

Whether the medals need to be of a higher rank than a Purple Heart is debatable. Whether medals for drone pilots are needed at all isn't debatable, because eventually, drone pilots will be the only kind of pilots there are.
 
2013-02-17 06:03:32 PM  
Boneheaded.
 
2013-02-17 06:08:35 PM  

ClavellBCMI: I'd rank it with the Army Achievement Medal, or maybe slightly above, but no way in hell does it deserve to rank above the Purple Heart.


i.imgur.com  i.imgur.com

Veterans need to shut up and pay attention. According to Fox and the Republican Party the "Purple Heart" means nothing anymore ever since the new Secretary of Ketchupstan got a couple of 'em. And he was UNFIT FOR COMMAND!" Better not be any upset Bush voters in that bunch--they helped this happen.
 
2013-02-17 06:09:21 PM  
Breaking news: Times change. Some people don't like it.
 
2013-02-17 06:09:54 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Eventually none of the medals have any meaning.


participation awards. great.

all this no score keeping, participation awards bullshiat has seriously farked us up.
 
2013-02-17 06:11:41 PM  
www.deborahhalverson.com
 
2013-02-17 06:14:00 PM  

quatchi: Nobody is happy with the drone strikes but they are the option that exists between doing nothing and all out invasion/occupation.

Do you have a better idea?


Are you farking insane, or just retarded? Drone strikes are a spit in the face of everything that's previously kept warfare from being waged for the hell of it. If there's no cost to a country in terms of lives, what stops it from turning into a farking video game? We walked our ass into a gurilla war, but we did not actually invent it and there  are prior military campaigns to study and learn from. The fallacy of false dilemma is still a farking fallacy.
 
2013-02-17 06:14:24 PM  
It seems that there should be some recognition of excellence for the drone pilots... maybe a high-score list?

/high score-list
 
2013-02-17 06:15:26 PM  
Are the 101 Chairborne the ones that have the "teabagger tricycles"?
 
2013-02-17 06:15:57 PM  

PsiChick: quatchi: Nobody is happy with the drone strikes but they are the option that exists between doing nothing and all out invasion/occupation.

Do you have a better idea?

Are you farking insane, or just retarded? Drone strikes are a spit in the face of everything that's previously kept warfare from being waged for the hell of it. If there's no cost to a country in terms of lives, what stops it from turning into a farking video game? We walked our ass into a gurilla war, but we did not actually invent it and there  are prior military campaigns to study and learn from. The fallacy of false dilemma is still a farking fallacy.


uh.. missles? I seem to recall them being used in past warfare...
 
2013-02-17 06:16:28 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: HairBolus: Can you get a purple heart for hurt feelings?

I don't know.  Are you retarded?


I had a much older relative who in the Korean war one day left his howitzer post to get some more ammo. On his way back he saw the guy he left there get blowed up by an incoming round. The experience scarred him for the rest of his life but I don't think he got a medal for it.
 
2013-02-17 06:16:35 PM  
i.imgur.com i.imgur.com

As per the Lamestream MSM media, we would also have accepted Dronebama Maximus or President Strangelove...but shouldn't it be "President TJ Dronebama Kong" in the second one, since the reference is to Slim Pickens's role??
 
2013-02-17 06:17:48 PM  

Somacandra: ClavellBCMI: I'd rank it with the Army Achievement Medal, or maybe slightly above, but no way in hell does it deserve to rank above the Purple Heart.

[i.imgur.com image 300x365]  [i.imgur.com image 250x188]

Veterans need to shut up and pay attention. According to Fox and the Republican Party the "Purple Heart" means nothing anymore ever since the new Secretary of Ketchupstan got a couple of 'em. And he was UNFIT FOR COMMAND!" Better not be any upset Bush voters in that bunch--they helped this happen.


I'm not a jingoistic pro-military, kill everything that moves, kinda guy. I've never been in combat, probably never will be (because I'm so farking blind no one has time for me to lose a contact in a firefight and shoot my own foot off by mistake).  No one has ever threatened my life or fired a weapon at me in anger.  And even so I wonder what kind of person can wear something like that knowing that quite a bit more than a few purple hearts are awarded posthumously.  Even if you disagree with someone's political positions or rhetoric, the idea of taking a massive shiat like that on horrors and sacrifices of an American soldier during a war has always amazed me with it's total and complete lack of respect for everything this country stands for.  Those pictures make me physically ill every time I see them.

/needs a shower
 
2013-02-17 06:20:34 PM  
I know a lot of the protest about this is coming from righties who just can't stand the idea of a Dem president doing something nice for The Troops (Republicans being the exclusive party of patriotism and all), but I'm sorry, this is a dumb idea and whoever came up with the idea should feel really bad about this dumb idea.  The only danger these drone pilots face is carpal tunnel syndrome.  Yes, flying these things is a skill, no question. Maybe rename it as a "merit badge", but it should not be a medal.
 
2013-02-17 06:20:35 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: It seems that there should be some recognition of excellence for the drone pilots... maybe a high-score list?

/high score-list


AAA
 
2013-02-17 06:20:55 PM  

Weaver95: once the civil war starts up around this country, there won't be anything to complain about anymore.  we'll ALL be living in a war zone.


not that I'd wish living in a warzone on anyone, but Americans as a whole might have a more responsible view on starting wars if they had hosted one in living memory.
 
2013-02-17 06:20:58 PM  

PsiChick: Drone strikes are a spit in the face of everything that's previously kept warfare from being waged for the hell of it. If there's no cost to a country in terms of lives, what stops it from turning into a farking video game?


i.imgur.com

Our studies indicate this type of weapon is totally useless in warfare.
 
2013-02-17 06:25:03 PM  
What?  You want us to award medals to the drones themselves?  Because that's a stupid idea, Larry.
 
2013-02-17 06:28:42 PM  

Somacandra: PsiChick: Drone strikes are a spit in the face of everything that's previously kept warfare from being waged for the hell of it. If there's no cost to a country in terms of lives, what stops it from turning into a farking video game?

[i.imgur.com image 400x400]

Our studies indicate this type of weapon is totally useless in warfare.


LookForTheArrow: uh.. missles? I seem to recall them being used in past warfare...


I'm not arguing that drones aren't  useful, they're a bloody godsend to someone commanding troops. They also make it too damn easy to go to war. Missiles had the same risk, but have been entrenched in human warfare long enough to have failsafes for that, too. Bottom line: War should hurt like hell. It should make both sides think twice before starting shiat, for everyone's safety.
 
2013-02-17 06:30:57 PM  

PsiChick: Are you farking insane, or just retarded? Drone strikes are a spit in the face of everything that's previously kept warfare from being waged for the hell of it.


Uh, as our country has proved a number of times in the last century plus, those in charge are happy to send us to war for any reason they can with no regards to loss of life or the overall effect these conflicts have on the rest of the world.
 
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