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2013-02-17 04:38:30 PM
Wow, that's really insightful. It's almost as if time moves on or something...never thought of it that way.
 
2013-02-17 04:42:06 PM
Let me re-state the headline for you:

Time passes.

I think that goes beyond the 'Obvious' tag into some kind of "no shiat?" tag.
 
2013-02-17 04:44:29 PM
Granted as someone who can honestly say that in terms of the NBA I believe the Magic/Bird era did more for the sport compared to Jordan's era the simple fact is that Jordan was a friggin human highlight reel.
 
2013-02-17 04:44:29 PM
cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2013-02-17 04:48:48 PM
Like those who grew up watching Chamberlain and Russell were replaced by Jordan.  And the kids who grew up watching Kobe and Lebron will be replaced by somebody else.

I guess he'll just have to go home and cry in a bowl of $80 million.
 
2013-02-17 04:50:00 PM
still miss the mugsy bogues generation :(
 
2013-02-17 04:50:24 PM
Yes time passes, but I feel that the premise is wrong.  "when the kobe, lebron, and possibly durant viewers are the dominant voices on the internet......"

Yeah well what about the two year old who went viral recently dunking.  If that's your premise, then none of those guys are ever going to be considered the best ever, or if they are, it will be very brief and fleeting.
 
2013-02-17 04:51:06 PM

LegacyDL: Granted as someone who can honestly say that in terms of the NBA I believe the Magic/Bird era did more for the sport compared to Jordan's era the simple fact is that Jordan was a friggin human highlight reel.


Each "generation", if you will, indubitably builds upon the one before (except for maybe in a broader macroeconomic sense, but let's not go there).

What might sports evolve into in the next fifty, hundred, or even thousand years? Realistically, they might not be around for all that much longer (in relative terms), but let's say the year is 2246 and it's the week of Super Bowl CCLVII (they had to cancel a bunch of them due to World War V). Do you think they're gonna still be talking about Joe Montana?
 
2013-02-17 04:54:38 PM
Connie Hawkins or GTFO!
 
2013-02-17 04:59:55 PM
I grew up watching Jordan.  I'm 27.  Sure, marketingwise, I'm no longer the youth target, but it's not like those who grew up watching Jordan are now fossils.  We're many decades (I hope) away from my generation no longer being around.

Dumb article is dumb.
 
2013-02-17 05:00:31 PM

LegacyDL: Granted as someone who can honestly say that in terms of the NBA I believe the Magic/Bird era did more for the sport compared to Jordan's era the simple fact is that Jordan was a friggin human highlight reel.


This. Before Magic/Bird I remember the NBA finals being shown on tape-delay, late at night after primetime.
 
2013-02-17 05:04:59 PM
All I know is the dunk contest is plain  dumb now. Maybe it's just because I was a kid, but I remember enjoying the heck out of the Wilkins, Harold Miner, etc. Now it just seems dumb.
 
2013-02-17 05:28:26 PM
I've said it before in these threads, and I'll say it again. Bill Russell.
 
2013-02-17 05:28:33 PM
I lost all fascination with the NBA the day Manute Bol left.
 
2013-02-17 05:34:01 PM
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-17 05:45:53 PM
Eventually.
 
2013-02-17 06:04:06 PM
I see the word Jordan, first thing I think of is that Buckethead tune.

/NBA, it's egotastic.
//looking at you, Michael
 
2013-02-17 06:13:38 PM
Michael Jordan is the "Babe Ruth" of basketball. He is also still the marketing standard thanks to the Air Jordan branding...no bacon neck undershirts...
 
2013-02-17 06:20:44 PM
Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.
 
2013-02-17 06:35:45 PM
Jordan was the guy when I was a teenager. Hell, I had a pair of the original shoes. Lebron is the far superior athlete. I don't think we've seen anything like him before and likely never will again.
 
2013-02-17 06:37:16 PM

Dafatone: I grew up watching Jordan.  I'm 27.  Sure, marketingwise, I'm no longer the youth target, but it's not like those who grew up watching Jordan are now fossils.  We're many decades (I hope) away from my generation no longer being around.

Dumb article is dumb.



Didn't read the article but the article is probably not that dumb.

Magic/Bird inspired a lot of kids to play the sport.  They were replaced.  Jordan inspired a lot of kids to play the sport (buy the shoes).  I am of a comparable age to you, Jordan was who you wanted to be if you played basketball.  You ask a kid who is 5-10 years old sure they will know who Jordan is, they have probably seen some of his dunks maybe they have his shoes too, but Jordan is not the person that they want to play like anymore.  It is not like the Magic/Bird generation are gone yet either.


It is not the Magic/Bird generation continuing basketball now, it is not the Jordan generation, the popularity of basketball for now and in the future is on the Lebron/Kobe generation.  Time moves whether we like it or not.
 
2013-02-17 06:45:48 PM
Even as a Lakers fan, I always find it amusing that that Tim Duncan gets left out of these conversations as being one of the greats of all time. He has more finals and regular season MVP's than Kobe and is probably a better overall player when you look at both sides of the ball and the overall effect he's had on his franchise. I know Tony Parker and Ginobili will both end up in the hall of fame (when you consider their overseas accomplishments as well since it's the basketball hall of fame), but they weren't the players Kobe or Jordan had around them during their first couple title runs with Duncan. It was really only their third one (and Duncan's fourth) when they became the huge factors.

Anyways just wanted to give Duncan some love here. By the way, if Kyrie Irving can ever get a real team around him, we could be bringing up his name in 8-10 years as one of the best of his era.
 
2013-02-17 06:50:25 PM
You can argue Kobe/Lebron are better players (with plenty of quality debate both ways) but you can't argue that Jordan changed how the game is played, plus all the marketing stuff.
 
2013-02-17 06:58:21 PM

balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.


wat ... I don't even ... did he just ... *head asplodes*
 
2013-02-17 06:59:16 PM
God, I can't wait until Jordan Birthday Week finally ends.
 
2013-02-17 07:00:29 PM
This just in.  Winter is cold in Buffalo.
 
2013-02-17 07:05:31 PM

qsblues: balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.

wat ... I don't even ... did he just ... *head asplodes*


don't even bring up to him that Jordan was getting physically mugged when he drove and no fouls were called, yet if somebody accidentally looks at Lebron sideways a flagrant foul is gonna be called...
 
2013-02-17 07:09:10 PM
I see Craig Ehlo around town occasionally.  Super nice guy.  For a fascinating read, check this out....

http://deadspin.com/5984767/im-gonna-tell-you-what-im-gonna-do-what- it -was-like-to-guard-michael-jordan-according-to-craig-ehlo

One thing people always forget is that it was Ehlo that put them up in that game with 3 seconds left.  Probably because he never mentions that fact when he's talking about The Shot.
 
2013-02-17 07:16:42 PM

Tarl3k: qsblues: balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.

wat ... I don't even ... did he just ... *head asplodes*

don't even bring up to him that Jordan was getting physically mugged when he drove and no fouls were called, yet if somebody accidentally looks at Lebron sideways a flagrant foul is gonna be called...


He's right though.  Jordan only did one thing.  I mean, if you define "one thing" as member of the Basketball Hall of Fame, 2 Olympic gold medals, 6 NBA Championships, 6 NBA Finals MVP awards, 5 NBA MVP awards, 10 NBA Scoring Titles, 3-time steals leader, 3-time minutes leader, 14 NBA All-Star Selections, 3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP, 11 All-NBA Selections, 9 All-Defensive First Team Selections, 2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA Defensive Player of the Year, NCAA National Championship, ACC Freshman of the Year, 2-time Consensus NCAA All-American First Team, ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year, USBWA College Player of the Year, Naismith College Player of the Year, John R. Wooden Award and Adolph Rupp Trophy.  Then yeah, he did just one thing.
 
2013-02-17 07:18:50 PM

Tarl3k: qsblues: balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.

wat ... I don't even ... did he just ... *head asplodes*

don't even bring up to him that Jordan was getting physically mugged when he drove and no fouls were called, yet if somebody accidentally looks at Lebron sideways a flagrant foul is gonna be called...


NBA officiating and points of emphasis have changed to improve the flow of the game and reduce injuries. Players are more to put their bodies out there on acrobatic moves because they are less likely to be intentionally injured.
 
2013-02-17 07:21:18 PM
LeBron can take his talents to South Hell for all I care.
 
2013-02-17 07:22:24 PM

ShamWowofDamocles: Tarl3k: qsblues: balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.

wat ... I don't even ... did he just ... *head asplodes*

don't even bring up to him that Jordan was getting physically mugged when he drove and no fouls were called, yet if somebody accidentally looks at Lebron sideways a flagrant foul is gonna be called...

He's right though.  Jordan only did one thing.  I mean, if you define "one thing" as member of the Basketball Hall of Fame, 2 Olympic gold medals, 6 NBA Championships, 6 NBA Finals MVP awards, 5 NBA MVP awards, 10 NBA Scoring Titles, 3-time steals leader, 3-time minutes leader, 14 NBA All-Star Selections, 3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP, 11 All-NBA Selections, 9 All-Defensive First Team Selections, 2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest Champion, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA Defensive Player of the Year, NCAA National Championship, ACC Freshman of the Year, 2-time Consensus NCAA All-American First Team, ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year, USBWA College Player of the Year, Naismith College Player of the Year, John R. Wooden Award and Adolph Rupp Trophy.  Then yeah, he did just one thing.


You bit.
 
2013-02-17 07:24:06 PM
Can somebody tell me what Jordan's career achievements were? I think I missed it the last 100 times it was mentioned.
 
2013-02-17 07:27:16 PM

skinink: LeBron can take his talents to South Hell for all I care.


It's okay. Just get Kyrie Irving some help and he won't rabbit the first chance he gets. Probably. Maybe?

/I know, I know, You're not a Cavs fan
 
2013-02-17 07:36:38 PM

coolio mack: Even as a Lakers fan, I always find it amusing that that Tim Duncan gets left out of these conversations as being one of the greats of all time. He has more finals and regular season MVP's than Kobe and is probably a better overall player when you look at both sides of the ball and the overall effect he's had on his franchise. I know Tony Parker and Ginobili will both end up in the hall of fame (when you consider their overseas accomplishments as well since it's the basketball hall of fame), but they weren't the players Kobe or Jordan had around them during their first couple title runs with Duncan. It was really only their third one (and Duncan's fourth) when they became the huge factors.

Anyways just wanted to give Duncan some love here. By the way, if Kyrie Irving can ever get a real team around him, we could be bringing up his name in 8-10 years as one of the best of his era.


Irving still in Cleveland? We won't be bringing his name up in 8-10 years, unless it is in comic sans.

Duncan is great though. He just doesn't have sizzle, which is why he doesn't get the attention he probably deserves.
 
2013-02-17 08:03:56 PM

oMaJoJ: Can somebody tell me what Jordan's career achievements were? I think I missed it the last 100 times it was mentioned.


He's the only man alive who could cuckold Charles Oakley and not die in a bath of his own entrails? I'm sure ESPN left that one out.
 
2013-02-17 08:06:35 PM

TheManofPA: oMaJoJ: Can somebody tell me what Jordan's career achievements were? I think I missed it the last 100 times it was mentioned.

He's the only man alive who could cuckold Charles Oakley and not die in a bath of his own entrails? I'm sure ESPN left that one out.


Okay, you got that one.
 
2013-02-17 08:08:09 PM

balfourk: Watched Jordan and watching Lebron right now. Lebron wins hands down. He can do more than one thing while Jordan just did one. I don't care how many titles he has there is more to it than rings. Lebron is a better overall player.


Apparently, you did not watch Jordan play that much.
 
2013-02-17 08:15:32 PM

iron_city_ap: You can argue Kobe/Lebron are better players (with plenty of quality debate both ways) but you can't argue that Jordan changed how the game is played, plus all the marketing stuff.


This.  Bird & Magic started the modern NBA, MJ just blew it right the fark up.  Plus his style of play was closer to the inner city style at the time (despite his coming from Wilmington, just about the least "inner city" place I can think of).
 
2013-02-17 08:17:44 PM

majestic: Lebron is the far superior athlete. I don't think we've seen anything like him before and likely never will again.


That's because he was born 22 years after Jordan. I don't think there is a single sport in the world where the athletes of 20-25 years ago can compare with the athletes of today. Training opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved. I'd bet every dollar I have that 22 years from now there will be athletes that can crush Lebron without an overly excessive amount of effort. Because progress.
 
2013-02-17 08:21:17 PM

VTGremlin: raining opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved.


Genetic changes in humans is a slow process, unless we start selectively breeding more aggressively for specific traits.
 
2013-02-17 08:26:04 PM
I grew up watching this guy.

www.gq.com

It's like, how much more badass could this be? and the answer is none. None more badass.

Nobody replaces Clyde.
 
2013-02-17 08:29:10 PM
 
2013-02-17 08:29:50 PM
Where's the NBA all-star game thread?
 
2013-02-17 08:31:17 PM

Harry_Seldon: VTGremlin: raining opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved.

Genetic changes in humans is a slow process, unless we start selectively breeding more aggressively for specific traits.


Look at a high school football/basketball teams in the 80s/90s and compare them with the kids getting D-1 scholarships today. It can't all be strength and conditioning and nutrition. I guess genetics was a poor choice of words, but they sure are growing 'em bigger nowadays.
 
2013-02-17 08:34:08 PM

VTGremlin: Harry_Seldon: VTGremlin: raining opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved.

Genetic changes in humans is a slow process, unless we start selectively breeding more aggressively for specific traits.

Look at a high school football/basketball teams in the 80s/90s and compare them with the kids getting D-1 scholarships today. It can't all be strength and conditioning and nutrition. I guess genetics was a poor choice of words, but they sure are growing 'em bigger nowadays.


Something like hormones in the food?
 
2013-02-17 08:46:55 PM

VTGremlin: majestic: Lebron is the far superior athlete. I don't think we've seen anything like him before and likely never will again.

That's because he was born 22 years after Jordan. I don't think there is a single sport in the world where the athletes of 20-25 years ago can compare with the athletes of today. Training opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved. I'd bet every dollar I have that 22 years from now there will be athletes that can crush Lebron without an overly excessive amount of effort. Because progress.


Perhaps. But the advances in technology, nutrition and training can only contribute so much. Look at track and field. Only a freak can break records that were set 20 or 30 years ago. And that's WITH roids, hgh, etc. (I'm looking at you Bolt)

Lebron, IMHO, is a once in a generation athlete. You don't have to like him, but you should admit that his is like nothing else we've seen for a long, long time.  I love me some MJ from the old(ish) days, but I think James is far superior.

/Dan Marino is the best QB ever
//And Jim Brown is the best RB, too
 
2013-02-17 08:52:32 PM

Gulper Eel: I grew up watching this guy.



It's like, how much more badass could this be? and the answer is none. None more badass.

Nobody replaces Clyde.


A legendary personality, that's what Clyde is. Of course, there's no replacing him.
 
2013-02-17 08:54:35 PM

VTGremlin: majestic: Lebron is the far superior athlete. I don't think we've seen anything like him before and likely never will again.

That's because he was born 22 years after Jordan. I don't think there is a single sport in the world where the athletes of 20-25 years ago can compare with the athletes of today. Training opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved. I'd bet every dollar I have that 22 years from now there will be athletes that can crush Lebron without an overly excessive amount of effort. Because progress.


Then why aren't there more guys like LeBron in today's NBA? He's perfect prototypical size for the position you need to dominate and a physical freak. 6'8' and about 260 solid pounds. Other guys that rival him as an athlete are either too tall (Dwight Howard) or too small (Russell Westbrook). And the guys around his height are either too skinny or too big and nonathletic to guard him. He's extremely fast with great strength and leaping ability.

I do agree with you though in 22 years we'll have other freak athletes that will surpass him. Partly because I believe there will be a lot more openness with what is and isn't considered a PED.
 
2013-02-17 09:09:54 PM

majestic: VTGremlin: majestic: Lebron is the far superior athlete. I don't think we've seen anything like him before and likely never will again.

That's because he was born 22 years after Jordan. I don't think there is a single sport in the world where the athletes of 20-25 years ago can compare with the athletes of today. Training opportunities, nutrition, even genetics have all almost certainly improved. I'd bet every dollar I have that 22 years from now there will be athletes that can crush Lebron without an overly excessive amount of effort. Because progress.

Perhaps. But the advances in technology, nutrition and training can only contribute so much. Look at track and field. Only a freak can break records that were set 20 or 30 years ago. And that's WITH roids, hgh, etc. (I'm looking at you Bolt)

Lebron, IMHO, is a once in a generation athlete. You don't have to like him, but you should admit that his is like nothing else we've seen for a long, long time.  I love me some MJ from the old(ish) days, but I think James is far superior.

/Dan Marino  Joe Montana is the best QB ever
//And Jim Brown is the best RB, too

 
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