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2013-02-18 07:22:26 PM  

Matt Foley: Personally, I tune into these threads every week to read the reviews of armchair West Point graduates.


I may not have graduated West Point, but I know you don't let the enemy take the high ground.
 
2013-02-18 07:35:11 PM  

T.M.S.: Mind of the North Star:
My post used "you" in the general sense.

It is impossible to take "you" seriously.


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2013-02-18 08:39:41 PM  
It wouldn't make a very dramatic show, but by now shouldn't everybody have figured out to carry around an 8 foot long staff with a pointed end? Seems like that would be a pretty effective walker killer that doesn't run out of ammo
 
2013-02-18 08:40:02 PM  
You said you didn't read the thread. You should.
 
2013-02-18 08:45:24 PM  

Bhruic: Ugh. The whole Rick going crazy thing was annoying, but I figured I could power through it. But then the end... I haven't figured out if in this universe, people have some sort of bullet forcefield, or if walkers have some sort of magnet in their heads that draws bullets, but damn. The same people who could run around headshotting zombies across large distances can't hit regular people standing out in the open. Not even moving, or taking cover. Hell, even when they aren't even looking your direction. Absolute suspension of disbelief killer.

I'll give it another show, but if they are going to continue to completely change how the physics of the world works based on what they need for that particular episode, I'm going to be done. Just too frustrating to watch.


And yet the fact that there are zombies doesn't even begin to bother you. It's instead that they don't seem to shoot consistently that ruins your suspension of disbelief.
 
2013-02-18 09:08:10 PM  

unregenerate: And yet the fact that there are zombies doesn't even begin to bother you. It's instead that they don't seem to shoot consistently that ruins your suspension of disbelief.


Fine, if you want to be picky about it, it ruined my secondary belief, as Tolkien would put it.  If you are going to craft a good show (or any other medium, but show for this example), you want it to be internally logically consistent.  So yes, it's easy to accept zombies because that's the setting of the world.  But what breaks the secondary belief is when activities occur that are not logically consistent.  If a group of people are crack shots at one point in time, and then extremely crappy shots at another, that's going to break secondary belief.
 
2013-02-18 09:25:03 PM  

T.M.S.: You said you didn't read the thread. You should.


Any maybe you should stop watching the G.D. show if you hate it so much.  Unless you're a masochist, in which case hey that's cool man... but seriously, if you hate the show and only have negative things to say, why bother?  I know you've said on previous occasions its your duty as a zombie fiction fan or whatever... but you really just start coming across as the Simpsons Comic Book Guy after a certain point of the same schtick every thread, every week.

/to caveat, I respect you as a Hollywood effects insider and great source of insight in many other threads T.M.S.
//but on this particular subject, maybe its time to stop?
 
2013-02-18 09:31:21 PM  

MagSeven: They were being shot at and Rick's group has almost zero experience shooting at people who shoot back.


People were shooting back during the Woodbury raid and Rick's people did OK. Killed six or so and only lost one.


unregenerate: Bhruic: Ugh. The whole Rick going crazy thing was annoying, but I figured I could power through it. But then the end... I haven't figured out if in this universe, people have some sort of bullet forcefield, or if walkers have some sort of magnet in their heads that draws bullets, but damn. The same people who could run around headshotting zombies across large distances can't hit regular people standing out in the open. Not even moving, or taking cover. Hell, even when they aren't even looking your direction. Absolute suspension of disbelief killer.

I'll give it another show, but if they are going to continue to completely change how the physics of the world works based on what they need for that particular episode, I'm going to be done. Just too frustrating to watch.

And yet the fact that there are zombies doesn't even begin to bother you. It's instead that they don't seem to shoot consistently that ruins your suspension of disbelief.


It's about internal consistency. I'm able to accept zombies because it's part of the premise.
 
2013-02-18 09:36:04 PM  

T.M.S.: jrodr018: This is it? For three season all I have heard is "this show is terrible". Ten episodes into season 3, I still watch the show so that I can show Farkers how superior I am (my narrative and show exposition have even started to sound repetitive).
The shows biggest crime (other that the cliche "this show is a cliche") is me criticizing yet still watching the show.
Now I am wondering as a homeless person seeking to prove how superior I am for disliking yet watching this show, confirming how much of an a-hole I am.

Sorry I just noticed this post. It would be rude not to agnowlege.
I just wish it had a bit more wit considering how much work you put into it.  Its been up for hours now. Was it worth all the effort? Or are you now feeling sort of stupid for having gone to so much trouble whining about another persons opinion on a television show about zombies.

I truly am curious.


Yes, just as worthy as you posting critiques on shows you don't like. Is that worthy to you? I mean, you put so much effort into posting and now responding, must be cool being you.
 
2013-02-18 09:36:06 PM  

fusillade762: MagSeven: They were being shot at and Rick's group has almost zero experience shooting at people who shoot back.

People were shooting back during the Woodbury raid and Rick's people did OK. Killed six or so and only lost one.


unregenerate: Bhruic: Ugh. The whole Rick going crazy thing was annoying, but I figured I could power through it. But then the end... I haven't figured out if in this universe, people have some sort of bullet forcefield, or if walkers have some sort of magnet in their heads that draws bullets, but damn. The same people who could run around headshotting zombies across large distances can't hit regular people standing out in the open. Not even moving, or taking cover. Hell, even when they aren't even looking your direction. Absolute suspension of disbelief killer.

I'll give it another show, but if they are going to continue to completely change how the physics of the world works based on what they need for that particular episode, I'm going to be done. Just too frustrating to watch.

And yet the fact that there are zombies doesn't even begin to bother you. It's instead that they don't seem to shoot consistently that ruins your suspension of disbelief.

It's about internal consistency. I'm able to accept zombies because it's part of the premise.


Barely shooting back if I remember correctly. I don't think the Gov's men started shooting back until well after the smokescreen. Also last time, Rick's group had the surprise element.
 
2013-02-18 09:44:31 PM  

T.M.S.: Secondly, we were promised the Governor and Ninja chick were characters who were going to bring the show into an exciting new direction and help erase the stain of the endless and plodding season on the farm. Instead we got a girl with a sword who seems transported to this place from an entirely different comic book universe and a Governor and his men who are about as dangerous as a particularly overzealous community watch group. (But like I said their combined assault of endless terror did manage to kill ONE guy. So there is hope)


In all fairness, according to the rules of the show that's probably what they are, or at least should be.  That would also preclude them taking down a National Guard unit at the beginning of the season, but I suppose we could chalk that up to luck.

Besides farkers who read the comics, was there anyone else promising The Governor or Ninja chick were going to bring the show in an exciting new direction?  I haven't been following the press.

About the only good thing that's happened this season is that Lori is dead and Carl isn't a goddamn whiny baby anymore, but that's not a lot to carry a show.  And I completely agree that psycho Rick is just a way to fill time with false dramatics.  It's almost as annoying as the cliched gibbering woman in a stressful situation.  All you want to do is slap the person, and if they don't shape up, kill them.  I don't like wanting Rick dead, so they better have him get his shiat together soon.

My only real objection to the prison so far is that it's an easily fortified position to hold, but they didn't bother to do any work on it until right before mustache guy got shot in the head.  The writers easily could have worked out the dynamics of being trapped in a prison over the course of the season, but instead they're treating it like "Farm House II - Chain Link Fence Boogaloo."
 
2013-02-18 09:55:07 PM  

Twist-42: Did anyone else notice when the tattoos are first shown, they are on the right side of his back, but as he walks away they are on the left?
I don't know if they were ever shown before so not sure where they belong.


Those are real tattoos, I'm pretty sure they didn't move.
 
2013-02-18 09:56:05 PM  

Lsherm: The writers easily could have worked out the dynamics of being trapped in a prison over the course of the season, but instead they're treating it like "Farm House II - Chain Link Fence Boogaloo."


Lulz.
 
2013-02-18 10:19:44 PM  
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2013-02-18 10:30:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Twist-42: Did anyone else notice when the tattoos are first shown, they are on the right side of his back, but as he walks away they are on the left?
I don't know if they were ever shown before so not sure where they belong.

Those are real tattoos, I'm pretty sure they didn't move.


Yeah. They reversed the shot when he was walking away by accident.
 
2013-02-18 10:43:47 PM  

MagSeven: It's about internal consistency. I'm able to accept zombies because it's part of the premise.

Barely shooting back if I remember correctly. I don't think the Gov's men started shooting back until well after the smokescreen. Also last time, Rick's group had the surprise element.


Maybe the Governor's men are like reverse vampires? Their super commando powers are only active during the day.

A couple other stray thoughts:

How did the guy in the tower get into the compound? They should be looking for a hole cut in the fence. Also: I couldn't tell where he got shot but isn't he likely to Come Back?

The Governor's headshot on Axel is even more impressive now that I realize he was firing left-handed (looking back at other pics from earlier in the season it looks like he's right-handed). And he's lucky the Steyr Aug can be converted to left-handed firing or he'd be looking at a facefull of brass and probably a broken jaw from the charging handle.
 
2013-02-18 11:03:26 PM  

unregenerate: And yet the fact that there are zombies doesn't even begin to bother you. It's instead that they don't seem to shoot consistently that ruins your suspension of disbelief.


A show/film/book must follow it's own internal logic.  The rules of this universe is that it's the real world that happens to have walking dead wandering around.  Within that framework, the zombies are perfectly logical.  Now, we could get into an argument that Darabont Era walkers operated by different rules than Mazzarra Era walkers, but as far as walkers themselves, they're just the conceit of the show.  Everything else - physics, chemistry, biology - needs to operate by standard rules within narrow limits of artistic freedom.  That's why when Herschel starts firing his unlimited ammo shotgun that he swiped from the Army of Darkness set, it detracts from the show.  You can still have drama without breaking the rules of the universe, it just requires the writers to be more careful with plot devices and character development.  If the writers want to get across that the Grimes Group is so used to dealing with walkers that they aren't prepared to deal with humans, they can't simply make the group suddenly stupid.  As someone mentioned above, when this scene happened in the comics, Rick's group decimated the Governor's forces because they were prepared and battle-hardened.  That's the group that was presented in the first episode of this season.  That's not the group that was attacked at the prison.
 
2013-02-18 11:20:00 PM  

fusillade762: MagSeven: It's about internal consistency. I'm able to accept zombies because it's part of the premise.

Barely shooting back if I remember correctly. I don't think the Gov's men started shooting back until well after the smokescreen. Also last time, Rick's group had the surprise element.

Maybe the Governor's men are like reverse vampires? Their super commando powers are only active during the day.

A couple other stray thoughts:

How did the guy in the tower get into the compound? They should be looking for a hole cut in the fence. Also: I couldn't tell where he got shot but isn't he likely to Come Back?

The Governor's headshot on Axel is even more impressive now that I realize he was firing left-handed (looking back at other pics from earlier in the season it looks like he's right-handed). And he's lucky the Steyr Aug can be converted to left-handed firing or he'd be looking at a facefull of brass and probably a broken jaw from the charging handle.




That's a good question. My only theory is yours, that he cut a hole in the fence and snuck in or just climbed it. No one was really on watch and Michonne and Herschel in the yard were pretty preoccupied with watching crazy Rick. They should have had a "first person" view of him getting in though. That would clear up a potential plot hole And believe it or not, I'm pretty sure guard tower guy got conveniently hit in the head! The odds!
 
2013-02-18 11:20:37 PM  
Rick is hallucinating again.  Guess that means it's time for him to take some more phone calls.

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2013-02-18 11:31:31 PM  
Never mind my previous comment about the Steyr. Looks like it can be safely fired off-hand.
 
2013-02-19 03:12:36 AM  

log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.

The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.
 
2013-02-19 03:20:35 AM  
Farking hell, it's a show about the dead coming back to life, stop taking it so farking seriously.
 
2013-02-19 03:39:45 AM  

timujin: /dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.


Grouping? Also remember the Gov had to shoot in this awkward manner because of his missing right eye:

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/my mistake earlier saying he shot left-handed
 
2013-02-19 03:46:37 AM  

fusillade762: timujin: /dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

Grouping? Also remember the Gov had to shoot in this awkward manner because of his missing right eye:

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/my mistake earlier saying he shot left-handed


Grouping, thanks.  And it wasn't just that, though, he ended by shooting from the hip and, if I remember correctly (and I've already deleted the episode) those three or four bullets ended up striking a wall about 500' away within about 2' of each other.

As to your point... why didn't he just switch to his left shoulder?
 
2013-02-19 04:29:55 AM  

timujin: log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.
The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.


That would be poor direction and not poor writing. If your points really held up.
 
2013-02-19 05:14:22 AM  
This thread turned into a dueling hissy fit pretty quick.
 
2013-02-19 07:03:06 AM  

timujin: fusillade762: timujin: /dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

Grouping? Also remember the Gov had to shoot in this awkward manner because of his missing right eye:

[i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

/my mistake earlier saying he shot left-handed

Grouping, thanks.  And it wasn't just that, though, he ended by shooting from the hip and, if I remember correctly (and I've already deleted the episode) those three or four bullets ended up striking a wall about 500' away within about 2' of each other.

As to your point... why didn't he just switch to his left shoulder?


I would imagine it's like trying to throw off-hand. Someone with rifle experience please correct me.
 
2013-02-19 10:32:09 AM  

T.M.S.: Mind of the North Star:
My post used "you" in the general sense.

It is impossible to take "you" seriously.


Really? After reading this thread, I feel the exact opposite. "I just have to watch it"

No. No you don't. You ujust like to biatch about this particular show. Stop watching it, for chrissakes.

I respect your knowledge of the business and all, but this is unbecoming of you.
 
2013-02-19 11:29:44 AM  

MagSeven: timujin: log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.
The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

That would be poor direction and not poor writing. If your points really held up.


Or even poor editing.  Point is, it's dumb.
 
2013-02-19 12:59:57 PM  
People who have no problem suspending their disbelief about dead people walking around who only eat living people; and not each other should not be complaining about a gun battle that is only an action sequence and a plot device.
 
2013-02-19 01:06:23 PM  

Crewmannumber6: It wouldn't make a very dramatic show, but by now shouldn't everybody have figured out to carry around an 8 foot long staff with a pointed end? Seems like that would be a pretty effective walker killer that doesn't run out of ammo


Because once they get inside the 8' reach you're hosed.  And if there are multiples, it makes it that much harder.

MagSeven: That's a good question. My only theory is yours, that he cut a hole in the fence and snuck in or just climbed it. No one was really on watch and Michonne and Herschel in the yard were pretty preoccupied with watching crazy Rick. They should have had a "first person" view of him getting in though. That would clear up a potential plot hole And believe it or not, I'm pretty sure guard tower guy got conveniently hit in the head! The odds!


If we're given a first person view of the incoming goon, then the shock of Axel taking a shot to the head is totally lost because we know the baddies are out there.  Not that we didn't expect them to show up at some point in time, but if we know that now is the time, then it's just a question of who gets the bullet.
 
2013-02-19 01:35:24 PM  

NathanAllen: People who have no problem suspending their disbelief about dead people walking around who only eat living people; and not each other should not be complaining about a gun battle that is only an action sequence and a plot device.


Consistency within the rules of the story's universe is part of fiction, there's nothing wrong with questioning when that consistency fails.  Otherwise, everything should be a documentary.
 
2013-02-19 01:37:03 PM  

BizarreMan: Crewmannumber6: It wouldn't make a very dramatic show, but by now shouldn't everybody have figured out to carry around an 8 foot long staff with a pointed end? Seems like that would be a pretty effective walker killer that doesn't run out of ammo

Because once they get inside the 8' reach you're hosed. And if there are multiples, it makes it that much harder.


True, but you'd think by this point that every single person still alive would know to carry some sort of melee weapon at all times, whether a hatchet, machete, crowbar or whatever.
 
2013-02-19 01:55:17 PM  

fusillade762: timujin: fusillade762: timujin: /dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

Grouping? Also remember the Gov had to shoot in this awkward manner because of his missing right eye:

[i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

/my mistake earlier saying he shot left-handed

Grouping, thanks.  And it wasn't just that, though, he ended by shooting from the hip and, if I remember correctly (and I've already deleted the episode) those three or four bullets ended up striking a wall about 500' away within about 2' of each other.

As to your point... why didn't he just switch to his left shoulder?

I would imagine it's like trying to throw off-hand. Someone with rifle experience please correct me.


It's awkward, but you can get used to it. Back when I was a much younger Ctrl-Alt-Del, one of my squadmates and I decided that since our spiffy new M-16A2s came with built-in brass deflectors, it would be cool to try qualifying shooting lefty. We both managed, but it is a challenge.

It's nowhere near as bad as throwing off hand
 
2013-02-19 02:07:10 PM  

fusillade762: How did the guy in the tower get into the compound? They should be looking for a hole cut in the fence. Also: I couldn't tell where he got shot but isn't he likely to Come Back?


Looked like a forehead shot to me...
 
2013-02-19 02:19:33 PM  

timujin: MagSeven: timujin: log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.
The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

That would be poor direction and not poor writing. If your points really held up.

Or even poor editing.  Point is, it's dumb.


You aren't actually required to watch it. When you have to stretch to criticize a movie or show it's typically time you either relax and enjoy it or find something else that you can enjoy. Complaining about the staging of a gunfight in a TV show is almost as bad as getting upset about the Tyrannosaur paddock scene geography in Jurassic Park.

/That goes for all the wheelie-chair critics out there
 
2013-02-19 02:38:23 PM  
NathanAllen: People who have no problem suspending their disbelief about dead people walking around who only eat living people; and not each other should not be complaining about a gun battle that is only an action sequence and a plot device.

Your understanding of the concepts willing suspension of disbelief and internal consistency seems on par with . Except for the idea that a filing cabinet was going to stop rifle rounds - which I'm willing to chalk up to simple ignorance and overlook -- I didn't have as much of a problem with this episodes "discrepancies" as some others here. But that doesn't change the fact that internal consistency is absolutely vital for a story, regardless of how fantastic that story may be. To quote a better writer than I:

"Readers are able and willing to accept stories in which the fantastical becomes real. Ghosts, magic, vampires, minotaurs, dragons, hobbits, elves, Wookiees - bring it on. But what we cannot abide are stories in which the real becomes unreal.

When young Lucy Pevensie stumbles through a magical wardrobe into an enchanted world of fauns and talking beasts, we readers gladly follow along on her journey. Those fantastic elements of the story don't throw us off. But if, at any point, Lucy Pevensie were to start acting in a way that no young English girl from the 1940s would act, that would cause us as readers to revoke our willing suspension of disbelief. Human readers require human characters to behave in a way that is recognizably human. Readers are not startled at the sight of Tumnus the faun and readers are not shocked when Mrs. Beaver starts to talk. But if Lucy herself had not been startled and shocked by those things, we would have stopped reading right there."


The same is true for physics. We can accept that in a story where physics works differently, anything might be possible - the ability to jump from the top of a building, or to dodge bullets in slow-time are part of what make the Matrix a great movie. But in a story that is set in what is ostensibly the "real" world, we expect things to work in the the way they actually do work in real life.

I disagree with Mentat, but unlike you, I'm at least able to understand what he's saying. With the exception of the zombification -- which is the whole damned premise of the show -- TWD is ostensibly set in the real world. As a result, things that are not directly related to the fantasy premise should work the way they actually do work in the real world - objects fall when they are dropped, people act like actual people, and a team of battle hardened expert shots don't suddenly turn into a bunch of Can't Shoot Losers when it's convenient for the writers.

If Carol has suddenly grown wings and flown up to kill that guy in the tower, would you be here giving us a condescending post about how "People who have no problem suspending their disbelief about dead people walking around who only eat living people; and not each other should not be complaining about characters growing wings and flying" ?
 
2013-02-19 03:34:13 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: timujin: MagSeven: timujin: log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.
The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

That would be poor direction and not poor writing. If your points really held up.

Or even poor editing.  Point is, it's dumb.

You aren't actually required to watch it. When you have to stretch to criticize a movie or show it's typically time you either relax and enjoy it or find something else that you can ...


So... in your world the only way someone can do something is to either sit back and accept everything at face value, good or bad, or not do it at all? You must be a lot of fun at parties.
 
2013-02-19 03:57:41 PM  

timujin: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: timujin: MagSeven: timujin: log_jammin: timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.  How is it four people with as much experience shooting as these folks have by now couldn't knock off one guy standing out in the open in a tower?  Why couldn't Rick hit dude when he was using a scope?  How were four guys keeping six people in three different locations covered?

1. because they were also being shot at.
The bad guys were being shot at as well, and from more directions

2. while it's just a tv show, it's still slightly more realistic than call of duty.
In what way?

3. his scope isn't exactly a sniper scope. It's not made for long distance accuracy like a regular scope on a hunting rifle is. also see 1 and 2.
He was shooting at a target that was what, 300' away?

4. two of teh locations were in the same direction, one was just further away.
there was still fire coming from three different places, regardless of relative distance

5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.
Both are tropes.  And the A-Team couldn't shoot straight either, apparently, they never actually hit anyone, just made their cars explode or lose control in some way guaranteed to make them flip over.

The Governor was firing from the hip and hitting a target about 500' away within a 2' cluster.  At the same time, people are shooting at him with scoped rifles and he's not even bothering to hide behind something and they don't even get close to him.  It's just poor writing.

/dammit, "cluster" isn't the word I'm looking for... the pattern of bullets in a target area... shiat.

That would be poor direction and not poor writing. If your points really held up.

Or even poor editing.  Point is, it's dumb.

You aren't actually required to watch it. When you have to stretch to criticize a movie or show it's typically time you either relax and enjoy it ...


Actually, he probably is, because the instant he finds anything worth criticizing, he finds something else to do
 
2013-02-19 04:17:45 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: timujin: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: timujin: MagSeven: timujin: log_jammin: timujin: blah blah blah


Actually, he probably is, because the instant he finds anything worth criticizing, he finds something else to do

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/leaves to a different thread
 
2013-02-19 07:57:00 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Popcorn Johnny: Why is the dude from True Blood on here?

Because he is awesome.

/No, I don't have a mancrush on him AT ALL.


I totally have a hetero man crush on Alcide.
 
2013-02-19 09:04:12 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: If Carol has suddenly grown wings and flown up to kill that guy in the tower, would you be here giving us a condescending post about how "People who have no problem suspending their disbelief about dead people walking around who only eat living people; and not each other should not be complaining about characters growing wings and flying" ?


When I first read that I thought you were talking about Carl, and I was going to point out it's awfully hard to fly while you're in the house.
 
2013-02-20 12:00:30 AM  
So, to talk about something other than the debate over the shoot-out - who things Rick is gonna go ape shiat on the Governor next week?
 
2013-02-20 12:34:37 AM  

Kentucky Fried Children: So, to talk about something other than the debate over the shoot-out - who things Rick is gonna go ape shiat on the Governor next week?


Dunno, do you think what happened has knocked him back at least close to reality?  I wouldn't be surprised if the Governor showed and Rick just walked off stage left, mumbling about Lori.  Now Glenn, on the other hand, I could see him getting a bit crazy.  Bit I'm really hoping it's Maggie that sticks a gun up the Governor's ass and pulls the farking trigger until it goes *click*.  Anything to get her out of that funk she's in.
 
2013-02-20 04:55:37 AM  

timujin: Kentucky Fried Children: So, to talk about something other than the debate over the shoot-out - who things Rick is gonna go ape shiat on the Governor next week?

Dunno, do you think what happened has knocked him back at least close to reality?  I wouldn't be surprised if the Governor showed and Rick just walked off stage left, mumbling about Lori.  Now Glenn, on the other hand, I could see him getting a bit crazy.  Bit I'm really hoping it's Maggie that sticks a gun up the Governor's ass and pulls the farking trigger until it goes *click*.  Anything to get her out of that funk she's in.


Yea, I know way late but I watch the show on dvr etc, but I think this last episode is the reconstituting of the group, it fragmented likes Ricks mind and now it's pulling together. I think the final showdown is gonna take a while but it should be awesome and this is just my guess as Ricks mind heal look for the Governor to get crazier.
 
2013-02-20 05:36:15 AM  

Kentucky Fried Children: So, to talk about something other than the debate over the shoot-out - who things Rick is gonna go ape shiat on the Governor next week?


I think crazy Rick is just a plot device to delay the final confrontation between the two groups. What does Woodbury have? Maybe 20 people (episode before this one, Milton said everyone is in the middle of town demanding to see you, I remember maybe 20 being there). Now most of these people have been lazy and safe and sound. Our guys have been out in the shiat and between Daryl, Merle, Michonne, Glenn, Rick and Carl "fark you son, you stay in the motherfarkin house" Grimes ( also Tyreese's group if that ever happens as well) I think our guys can take them pretty easy if they abandoned their humanity and waged a full assault with the element of surprise against Woodbury. That won't happen of course because they are still the "good guys", but the Woodbury threat doesn't seem as dire and overwhelming as it did in the comics. Hopefully the show amps it up a bit more....
 
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