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2013-02-18 03:00:28 AM  

Twist-42: only a few posts about the scars/tattoo's on Daryl's back but i have a different comment about it.

Did anyone else notice when the tattoos are first shown, they are on the right side of his back, but as he walks away they are on the left?
I don't know if they were ever shown before so not sure where they belong.


Yeah, they were switched.  Pretty huge continuity goof.  They often mirror different scenes in post because they like the composition better that way.  I hope that's how that happened.

... Just now watching the scene again, the arrows switch sides on the backpack so I'd say it's a safe bet they mirrored one of the shots.
 
2013-02-18 03:06:29 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Max Awesome:

And now Maggie is an unsympathetic mood-swinging irrational biatch-harpy. Yay Lori 2.0.

Maggie's pregnant?


Are you saying you didn't watch the baby feeding scene?  My god, her sister practically winked at her during that exchange.
 
2013-02-18 03:19:46 AM  

lewismarktwo: Pretty huge continuity goof.


Speaking of: I just noticed in the slo-mo "In Memoriam" segment that Rick's Colt Python, despite being used to viciously bash the brains out of several walkers has absolutely not a drop of blood or gore on it when seen in close-up when the walkers pin him to the fence.
 
2013-02-18 03:21:59 AM  

fusillade762: lewismarktwo: Pretty huge continuity goof.

Speaking of: I just noticed in the slo-mo "In Memoriam" segment that Rick's Colt Python, despite being used to viciously bash the brains out of several walkers has absolutely not a drop of blood or gore on it when seen in close-up when the walkers pin him to the fence.


I swear he was stabbing walkers with the barrel of it somehow.
 
2013-02-18 03:28:59 AM  

MagSeven: fusillade762: lewismarktwo: Pretty huge continuity goof.

Speaking of: I just noticed in the slo-mo "In Memoriam" segment that Rick's Colt Python, despite being used to viciously bash the brains out of several walkers has absolutely not a drop of blood or gore on it when seen in close-up when the walkers pin him to the fence.

I swear he was stabbing walkers with the barrel of it somehow.


Yup. And still clean as a whistle. Or rather a whistle that hasn't been used to kill a bunch of zombies.
 
2013-02-18 03:32:53 AM  

fusillade762: MagSeven: fusillade762: lewismarktwo: Pretty huge continuity goof.

Speaking of: I just noticed in the slo-mo "In Memoriam" segment that Rick's Colt Python, despite being used to viciously bash the brains out of several walkers has absolutely not a drop of blood or gore on it when seen in close-up when the walkers pin him to the fence.

I swear he was stabbing walkers with the barrel of it somehow.

Yup. And still clean as a whistle. Or rather a whistle that hasn't been used to kill a bunch of zombies.


It's teflon!
 
2013-02-18 04:28:16 AM  
Ha! Re-watching again. I love how both the good guys and bad guys all stop and stare in awe as the zombie delivery truck casually unloads. It's like a load screen. Round Two......BEGIN!
 
2013-02-18 05:02:16 AM  

jeffjo52: Breaking Mad SUCKS, it is almost as bad a Breaking Bad!


Breaking Mad is farking awesome!  How can you not love a show about an ad exec with polio who cooks meth in his Madison Ave office?

/I think I might have some things conflated
 
2013-02-18 05:26:53 AM  
Even more ludicrousness is the fact that in spite of nearly every conflict quickly turning into hand to hand combat (and in spite of each one of them having an unlimited ammo weapon) not a single character carries so much as a spatula to ward off zombies. Remember two seasons ago when the kid found what he described as an "arsenal" of  bladed weapons?  And each member of the cast carried one?

I guess the Fiskars Cutlery Company only paid for one season of product placement. But they sure got their money's worth. The scene where the machetes and axes were handed out one by one was particularly amusing. Those weapons seemed so important at the time.
 
2013-02-18 05:37:39 AM  
Ugh. The whole Rick going crazy thing was annoying, but I figured I could power through it. But then the end... I haven't figured out if in this universe, people have some sort of bullet forcefield, or if walkers have some sort of magnet in their heads that draws bullets, but damn. The same people who could run around headshotting zombies across large distances can't hit regular people standing out in the open. Not even moving, or taking cover. Hell, even when they aren't even looking your direction. Absolute suspension of disbelief killer.

I'll give it another show, but if they are going to continue to completely change how the physics of the world works based on what they need for that particular episode, I'm going to be done. Just too frustrating to watch.
 
2013-02-18 05:58:56 AM  

timujin: God I hate that trope so much, the one where only the bad guys can shoot straight.


Yeah, Star Wars could have really gone places if it wasn't only 7 minutes long.
 
2013-02-18 06:14:09 AM  

Bhruic: Ugh. The whole Rick going crazy thing was annoying, but I figured I could power through it. But then the end... I haven't figured out if in this universe, people have some sort of bullet forcefield, or if walkers have some sort of magnet in their heads that draws bullets, but damn. The same people who could run around headshotting zombies across large distances can't hit regular people standing out in the open. Not even moving, or taking cover. Hell, even when they aren't even looking your direction. Absolute suspension of disbelief killer.

I'll give it another show, but if they are going to continue to completely change how the physics of the world works based on what they need for that particular episode, I'm going to be done. Just too frustrating to watch.


I'll give you the "drive-by headshot masters with unlimited ammo" episode was completely ridiculous, but I really wasn't bothered by this gun fight at all. They were being shot at and Rick's group has almost zero experience shooting at people who shoot back. Hell, in his first appearance, Rick lost a gun battle. I can see them shooting well at zombies, they have time to aim or are close enough to not really have to. In this, they were pinned down and scared to death. Rick, the best shot there, ran out of ammo. Carl was pretty badass, but how accurate is a pistol or whatever he had at that range anyway. The only time they could set up a good shot was when zombie fedex came crashing through and everyone on both sides inexplicably froze, well that and the Governor's first shot. The Governor was really the only baddie out in the open as well. Martinez had wood cover, Afroman had the truck for cover and the guy in the tower had the high ground, pinning Carl and the ladies down. I think they left the Governor all cavalier and unprotected just to up his bad ass cred and delusions of grandeur like they did when Gus marched towards his attempted assassination in Breaking Bad. This was probably unrealistic (I have zero gunfighting experience so I cannot attest), but it's not a deal breaker or even a real problem for me on any level.
 
2013-02-18 06:15:13 AM  

T.M.S.: And Rick is wandering around as a homeless person seeing Stand like visions and confirming the show is a first person narrative.


You saw Daryl's hallucinations and that didn't permanently alter the pov.  I hate to stifle your heartbreak, but expository dream sequences are fairly common on television too.
 
2013-02-18 06:17:25 AM  

log_jammin: 5. (should have been one) the trope is that only the bad guys CAN'T shot straight. see every a-team episode ever made.


Maybe timujin's a union delegate for henchmen.
 
2013-02-18 10:05:18 AM  
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2013-02-18 11:02:40 AM  
Rick is nuttier than a jar of Skippy. But he's still a better leader than Glenn.
 
2013-02-18 11:09:20 AM  

MagSeven: I'll give you the "drive-by headshot masters with unlimited ammo" episode was completely ridiculous, but I really wasn't bothered by this gun fight at all. They were being shot at and Rick's group has almost zero experience shooting at people who shoot back. Hell, in his first appearance, Rick lost a gun battle. I can see them shooting well at zombies, they have time to aim or are close enough to not really have to. In this, they were pinned down and scared to death. Rick, the best shot there, ran out of ammo. Carl was pretty badass, but how accurate is a pistol or whatever he had at that range anyway. The only time they could set up a good shot was when zombie fedex came crashing through and everyone on both sides inexplicably froze, well that and the Governor's first shot. The Governor was really the only baddie out in the open as well. Martinez had wood cover, Afroman had the truck for cover and the guy in the tower had the high ground, pinning Carl and the ladies down. I think they left the Governor all cavalier and unprotected just to up his bad ass cred and delusions of grandeur like they did when Gus marched towards his attempted assassination in Breaking Bad. This was probably unrealistic (I have zero gunfighting experience so I cannot attest), but it's not a deal breaker or even a real problem for me on any level.


That's all fine and good, but it doesn't change the fact that the writers are assigning the characters situational skills.  The protagonists are dead-eye shots, nailing moving walkers in the head from a moving car with a shotgun, but they can't hit humans because the humans are shooting back?  There are much better ways to present that than what happened in this episode.  But I still can't get past that this season established the group as an efficient killing machine that suddenly forgets everything about survival in a moment when they know they are going to be under attack.  A few plot tweaks were all that was necessary to offer essentially the same battle but in a more realistic way.  Instead of Rick going crazy train, he and Glenn could have been in the tombs trying to find the breach when the Governor attacked.  As someone said earlier, the walker attack could have been launched first to distract the group while the Governor's men followed behind.  Same result, more easily digestible.  Instead, the writers went for cheap drama.  Maybe it's a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things, but it was big enough to annoy me and I usually don't get annoyed at this show.
 
2013-02-18 11:11:22 AM  
Trocadero: Character building = death. It's why Michonne is such a great survivor.


 Character building? The Govenor has been our onscreen antagonist for EIGHT HOURS of television and we know next to nothing about him other than he is a colossal farkup and completely ineffective as a leader. We were promised a sadistic bastard and we got sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane.


Ninja chick is a great survivor because the writers don't have the slightest idea what to do with her. We were promised a badass and we got a girl who endlessly wanders between the prison and Mayberry.

I will give that governor a tiny bit of credit. When he brought down the full and awesome wrath of his forces they did manage to shoot one guy who was just standing there i
 
2013-02-18 11:37:25 AM  

Mentat: Deacon Blue: Late to the thread, but I'd like to weigh in saying that The Walking Dead is an awesome show. Is is perfect? No. But it beats the hell out of CSI and all that other crap that's so popular. And as for the characters doing stupid things, well they would do stupid things. They were just regular people thrust into the worst kind of apocalypse, and the mistakes they make, and the dumb crap they get up to, make them seem like real people. As for Rick going batshiat, well, look at the pressure he's been under since day one, and it's been what, about a year since day one?

The problem is that the first episode of the third season established the group as an efficient killing machine that trusted each other implicitly.  That's all fallen apart since they entered the prison.  I would understand it if this were the camp or the farm, but at this point in their development, they shouldn't be making these kinds of mistakes.  They aren't regular people anymore.  That's supposed to be the difference between the prison group and Woodbury.  I think they could have achieved the same end in this episode without all of the characters going emo and wandering off when they knew an enemy was coming.


They're also very, very tired.  And the group dynamic that kept them going has been shattered with the loss of T-Dog and Lori, as well as Hershel's crippling injury.  Rick got them through the winter, and now he's gone insane.  They're simply falling apart.
 
2013-02-18 11:41:42 AM  
It's a lot harder to accurately fire a weapon when you're also being shot at.
 
2013-02-18 12:05:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: It's a lot harder to accurately fire a weapon when you're also being shot at.


Again:

Head shots to multiple moving walkers from a moving vehicle with a shotgun - yes
Any shot to a prone target out of cover who is firing back - no

I get what you're saying and I agree, but there are better ways to convey that than situational incompetence.
 
2013-02-18 12:23:15 PM  
And lest it look like I'm just mindlessly biatching, this is how I would have constructed the battle:

Dispense with the Ghost Lori and Maggie = Lori 2.0 subplots.  If you need to establish that Rick is going crazy, have him talk into the Lori Phone.  Bring Tyreese's group into the fold.  Have Glenn step up as a leader in the absence of Darryl.  Have the group revert to their killing machine mode and begin preparing the prison for an assault.  And I don't mean putting up a few tables and pallets, but actually assessing defenses, drilling, etc.  Play on the conceptions of the group that were established in the first episode of Season 3.  Let the group and the audience believe that the group is ready for anything and then rip that foundation out from under them during the actual attack.  Lead off with the van full of walkers.  While the group is distracted, have the Governor attack and kill Axel and some of Tyreese's red shirts.  Suddenly the group is in disarray.  Their cohesion breaks.  They know they're beaten, the Governor knows they're beaten, the audience knows they're beaten.

Same story, same result, no Reverse Stormtrooper Effect, no situational stupidity.
 
2013-02-18 12:31:44 PM  

Ennuipoet: I have my problems with the show, but damn am I glad I never read the comic.

/I have to read them now don't I?


I made that mistake. After getting into the show, I started reading the comics, I hate them. The show is much better when you're not burdened with fanboy expectations.
 
2013-02-18 12:35:53 PM  

sirbissel: NeoCortex42: Tencolin: NeoCortex42: Kentucky Fried Children: Axel just revealed he was gonna be a serial killer rapist in early drafts of his TV character... kinda glad they changed it up, less cartooney.  And it was fun with him still being a creeper around the ladies, minus the whole RAPE RAPE RAPE thing

There was a lot of internal group strife during the prison arc of the comic that was completely dropped for the TV series. Some of it was good, but I do enjoy that the TV series is really its own thing since it keeps me surprised regularly.

I agree. It's nice being surprised by both the little and large differences. It's cool that he could play such a nice guy who was still creepy. I have to admit that I was always squeamish when he was in a potential position to be near the ladies (and especially Beth).

This is one case where I think knowing how twisted his comic character was made me appreciate the TV version even more.

I don't remember Axel's comic character being particularly twisted.  I mean, a little pervy, but not much worse than what I imagine any other prison inmate in a zombie apocalypse being...


You don't remember him chopping up a couple little girls then being executed for it?

Interesting...

Add him to the list of characters they totally screwed up.
 
2013-02-18 12:40:27 PM  
How the prison fight was SUPPOSED to go down.

Governor gets tortured by Michone. In retaliation, he convinces the town they should attack the prison because of how sick they are and what they did to him. ~20 rag tag governor led civilians attack the prison only to find that Rick's group (and Andrea sniping from the watchtower - irony) decimate them, forcing a humiliating retreat.

THEN Rick's group decides to retaliate as the best defense is a good offense.

The concept was there, but yet again, the comic was far superior to the stupid show.
 
2013-02-18 12:54:37 PM  
I keep thinking big bearded black guy at Woodburry is going to switch sides soon.
 
2013-02-18 01:03:09 PM  

Crewmannumber6: I keep thinking big bearded black guy at Woodburry is going to switch sides soon.


Not as long as the One Black Man Rule is in effect.
 
2013-02-18 01:04:17 PM  

Mentat: Crewmannumber6: I keep thinking big bearded black guy at Woodburry is going to switch sides soon.

Not as long as the One Black Man Rule is in effect.


By now they're aware of us being onto that and will keep two around just to piss people off
 
2013-02-18 01:24:07 PM  

Mentat: And lest it look like I'm just mindlessly biatching, this is how I would have constructed the battle:

Dispense with the Ghost Lori and Maggie = Lori 2.0 subplots.  If you need to establish that Rick is going crazy, have him talk into the Lori Phone.  Bring Tyreese's group into the fold.  Have Glenn step up as a leader in the absence of Darryl.  Have the group revert to their killing machine mode and begin preparing the prison for an assault.  And I don't mean putting up a few tables and pallets, but actually assessing defenses, drilling, etc.  Play on the conceptions of the group that were established in the first episode of Season 3.  Let the group and the audience believe that the group is ready for anything and then rip that foundation out from under them during the actual attack.  Lead off with the van full of walkers.  While the group is distracted, have the Governor attack and kill Axel and some of Tyreese's red shirts.  Suddenly the group is in disarray.  Their cohesion breaks.  They know they're beaten, the Governor knows they're beaten, the audience knows they're beaten.

Same story, same result, no Reverse Stormtrooper Effect, no situational stupidity.


Mentat for... uhhh what..... the 4th! showrunner of TWD!
 
2013-02-18 01:45:18 PM  

jrodr018: This is it? For three season all I have heard is "this show is terrible". Ten episodes into season 3, I still watch the show so that I can show Farkers how superior I am (my narrative and show exposition have even started to sound repetitive).
The shows biggest crime (other that the cliche "this show is a cliche") is me criticizing yet still watching the show.
Now I am wondering as a homeless person seeking to prove how superior I am for disliking yet watching this show, confirming how much of an a-hole I am.


Sorry I just noticed this post. It would be rude not to agnowlege.
I just wish it had a bit more wit considering how much work you put into it.  Its been up for hours now. Was it worth all the effort? Or are you now feeling sort of stupid for having gone to so much trouble whining about another persons opinion on a television show about zombies.

I truly am curious.
 
2013-02-18 01:46:20 PM  
Great_Milenko:

They're also very, very tired.  And the group dynamic that kept them going has been shattered with the loss of T-Dog and Lori, as well as Hershel's crippling injury.  Rick got them through the winter, and now he's gone insane.  They're simply falling apart.


Great point made!  Now the question is, how do they react?  I say hit Woodbury at night with a few flaming arrows and be done with it.  What are they gonna put the fires out with?
 
2013-02-18 01:57:41 PM  

jt_in_ri: Great_Milenko:

They're also very, very tired.  And the group dynamic that kept them going has been shattered with the loss of T-Dog and Lori, as well as Hershel's crippling injury.  Rick got them through the winter, and now he's gone insane.  They're simply falling apart.


Great point made!  Now the question is, how do they react?  I say hit Woodbury at night with a few flaming arrows and be done with it.  What are they gonna put the fires out with?


The LAPD approves of your tactics
 
2013-02-18 02:15:13 PM  
You guys are letting hollywood and video games color your opinions on how a firefight should or should not look. Yes. There is a HUGE difference between shooting at zombies, and shooting at someone who is shooting back. Yes even if you are both stationary. I dont know the exact number but ive seen statistics where in current and past wars that soldiers would fire tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds for every one kill made. And that is among men who are highly trained to handle those situations with those weapons. When you got bulkets whizzing by your head, shiat gets real messy real fast.

So sure, by season 3 ep. 1, they were zombie killing machines. They had a lot of experience with it. Guess what they had almost zero experience with? Being shot AT. Worrying about cover. Or vantage points. Or flanking maneuvers. Or anything associated with an actual firefight. The few guys who DID have experience either werebt there or cut off from the rest and left highly exposed.

So, you know, stop biatching.
 
2013-02-18 02:25:34 PM  

T.M.S.: jrodr018: This is it? For three season all I have heard is "this show is terrible". Ten episodes into season 3, I still watch the show so that I can show Farkers how superior I am (my narrative and show exposition have even started to sound repetitive).
The shows biggest crime (other that the cliche "this show is a cliche") is me criticizing yet still watching the show.
Now I am wondering as a homeless person seeking to prove how superior I am for disliking yet watching this show, confirming how much of an a-hole I am.

Sorry I just noticed this post. It would be rude not to agnowlege.
I just wish it had a bit more wit considering how much work you put into it.  Its been up for hours now. Was it worth all the effort? Or are you now feeling sort of stupid for having gone to so much trouble whining about another persons opinion on a television show about zombies.

I truly am curious.


I don't know...  jrodr018  is making sense. Its certainly not about "people who have an opinion". Its more about how lame it is to get your jollies out of ONLY sharing negative opinions and making huge deals about small details.

You shouldn't watch the show just to have material to cry about on threads. For instance, how does making the action sequence at the end more realistic advance the plot? Why are people complaining about the physics of situations while zombies themselves are impossible due to thermodynamics? Should the cancel the show because of that? Why does the obvious danger of having a van full of zombies plowed into the base while also engaging in a gun battle have to be explained?
 
2013-02-18 03:20:17 PM  

Crewmannumber6: After getting into the show, I started reading the comics, I hate them. The show is much better when you're not burdened with fanboy expectations you don't know how good it could have been.


There, FTFY.  The comics have problems but the actual story told in them beats the living shiat out of what has aired on AMC.  Period.
 
2013-02-18 03:21:00 PM  

chewy milk: You guys are letting hollywood and video games color your opinions on how a firefight should or should not look. Yes. There is a HUGE difference between shooting at zombies, and shooting at someone who is shooting back. Yes even if you are both stationary. I dont know the exact number but ive seen statistics where in current and past wars that soldiers would fire tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds for every one kill made. And that is among men who are highly trained to handle those situations with those weapons. When you got bulkets whizzing by your head, shiat gets real messy real fast.

So sure, by season 3 ep. 1, they were zombie killing machines. They had a lot of experience with it. Guess what they had almost zero experience with? Being shot AT. Worrying about cover. Or vantage points. Or flanking maneuvers. Or anything associated with an actual firefight. The few guys who DID have experience either werebt there or cut off from the rest and left highly exposed.

So, you know, stop biatching.


No one is arguing that point.  What we're arguing is the situational stupidity of the characters which is reflective of weak writing.  The battle itself was not the issue.  The issue is that a group that were using aimbots for the entire season suddenly decided to send half their group out on walkabout and ignore the bad guys who drove up, occupied the high ground and started shooting.  All of this when the group knew the bad guys were coming.  All it would have taken were a few minor changes to the script and you could have had the same fight.

As for the "shooting back" argument, all it took for me was one round of paintball to learn the value of cover.  I peeked out from behind a tree for one second and immediately took a shot in the face.  Yet the Governor just stood there out in the open.  How many times did Axel get shot once he was on the ground?  How many times did the file cabinet behind Maggie get hit?  How many times did the car door next to the Governor get hit?  And yet the Governor was never in danger?  No, sorry, that was just sloppy.

I'm not someone who comes here every week to bitach about the show.  I generally love it and am willing to overlook a lot.  But this episode was sloppy.  Not sloppy enough to ruin the season or the plotline, but sloppy enough to pull me out of the moment.
 
2013-02-18 03:49:31 PM  

Mind of the North Star:


I don't know...  jrodr018  is making sense. Its certainly not about "people who have an opinion". Its more about how lame it is to get your jollies out of ONLY sharing negative opinions and making huge deals about small details.

You shouldn't watch the show just to have material to cry about on threads. For instance, how does making the action sequence at the end more realistic advance the plot? Why are people complaining about the physics of situations while zombies themselves are impossible due to thermodynamics? Should the cancel the show because of that? Why does the obvious danger of having a van full of zombies plowed into the base while also engaging in a gun battle have to be explained?


You don't have the slightest idea why I watch the show. You may have found creating your own reasons amusing but you are wrong and it makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Secondly, we were promised the Governor and Ninja chick were characters who were going to bring the show into an exciting new direction and help erase the stain of the endless and plodding season on the farm. Instead we got a girl with a sword who seems transported to this place from an entirely different comic book universe and a Governor and his men who are about as dangerous as a particularly overzealous community watch group. (But like I said their combined assault of endless terror did manage to kill ONE guy. So there is hope)

Those are not "small details" and thinking they are makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Lastly, you do realize its just a tv show? You are allowed to like it in spite of other people's opinions. Fretting about what other people say makes it impossible to take you seriously.
 
2013-02-18 04:15:59 PM  
I say stop focusing on how sloppy the final gunfight was and start discussing how Daryl is a 1 man zombie killing army, hell bent on saving every baby on the planet!
 
2013-02-18 04:33:16 PM  

T.M.S.: Mind of the North Star:


I don't know...  jrodr018  is making sense. Its certainly not about "people who have an opinion". Its more about how lame it is to get your jollies out of ONLY sharing negative opinions and making huge deals about small details.

You shouldn't watch the show just to have material to cry about on threads. For instance, how does making the action sequence at the end more realistic advance the plot? Why are people complaining about the physics of situations while zombies themselves are impossible due to thermodynamics? Should the cancel the show because of that? Why does the obvious danger of having a van full of zombies plowed into the base while also engaging in a gun battle have to be explained?

You don't have the slightest idea why I watch the show. You may have found creating your own reasons amusing but you are wrong and it makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Secondly, we were promised the Governor and Ninja chick were characters who were going to bring the show into an exciting new direction and help erase the stain of the endless and plodding season on the farm. Instead we got a girl with a sword who seems transported to this place from an entirely different comic book universe and a Governor and his men who are about as dangerous as a particularly overzealous community watch group. (But like I said their combined assault of endless terror did manage to kill ONE guy. So there is hope)

Those are not "small details" and thinking they are makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Lastly, you do realize its just a tv show? You are allowed to like it in spite of other people's opinions. Fretting about what other people say makes it impossible to take you seriously.


It's just that you seem to make it your mission to hate the show. It's weird. You never seem to have a single good thing to say about the show, yet you apparently tune in every week and then drop in to tell us where it failed you. I'd think by now you'd have given up if you hate it so much.

As for Michonne's sword, again we must point out that undead heads and internals are mushy and weak. That's why it's fairly easy to smash them in, decapitate them, and make short work of them with garden tools. This is not just a Walking Dead trope, but a standard guideline in most Romero-based ghoul stories, which TWD most certainly is.

The alternative is O'Bannon-based stories, in which the undead are sturdier and smarter, a shot to the head doesn't put them down (nor does the lack of muscles or skin), and the only things that end them are fire and electrocution.

I'd love to see how much people would biatch if they'd used O'Bannon zombies.
 
2013-02-18 04:35:35 PM  

Mentat: chewy milk: You guys are letting hollywood and video games color your opinions on how a firefight should or should not look. Yes. There is a HUGE difference between shooting at zombies, and shooting at someone who is shooting back. Yes even if you are both stationary. I dont know the exact number but ive seen statistics where in current and past wars that soldiers would fire tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds for every one kill made. And that is among men who are highly trained to handle those situations with those weapons. When you got bulkets whizzing by your head, shiat gets real messy real fast.

So sure, by season 3 ep. 1, they were zombie killing machines. They had a lot of experience with it. Guess what they had almost zero experience with? Being shot AT. Worrying about cover. Or vantage points. Or flanking maneuvers. Or anything associated with an actual firefight. The few guys who DID have experience either werebt there or cut off from the rest and left highly exposed.

So, you know, stop biatching.

No one is arguing that point.  What we're arguing is the situational stupidity of the characters which is reflective of weak writing.  The battle itself was not the issue.  The issue is that a group that were using aimbots for the entire season suddenly decided to send half their group out on walkabout and ignore the bad guys who drove up, occupied the high ground and started shooting.  All of this when the group knew the bad guys were coming.  All it would have taken were a few minor changes to the script and you could have had the same fight.

As for the "shooting back" argument, all it took for me was one round of paintball to learn the value of cover.  I peeked out from behind a tree for one second and immediately took a shot in the face.  Yet the Governor just stood there out in the open.  How many times did Axel get shot once he was on the ground?  How many times did the file cabinet behind Maggie get hit?  How many times did the car door next to the ...


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2013-02-18 04:43:13 PM  
This show has really gone...i dunno.
Season 1 was fantastic then AMC cut the budget like cheap asses and forced Darabont out.
In comes Mazzara and season 2 turned into a bad soap opera.
Season 3 has been so so though. There are episodes where I think I am watching one of those made for syfy channel movies ( bad acting and visuals ), then there are some legit good episodes.

Majority of it has looked like shoddy production. Last episode was pretty bad in that sense. The mirrored scene with Daryl and his tattoo/scars. To that long shot of the passenger door of the zombie van for 10 seconds before someone finally decide to come out of it. Its like, oh look, we are setting up some type of plot...here it comes..wait....wait some more...wait..ok a body armored person that has the shape of a women ( like they were trying to make us think it was Andrea ).

Or the fact the guy in the tower was standing IN THE OPEN AREA OF THE TOWER. How Maggie was hiding behind...filing cabinets in the middle of the yard for protection against bullets from an AR....

Personally I am glad Mazzara got shiat canned. I am sure this is not what Kirkman wanted out of the past two seasons.
 
2013-02-18 04:50:39 PM  
Personally, I tune into these threads every week to read the reviews of armchair West Point graduates.
 
2013-02-18 04:59:21 PM  

Twist-42: only a few posts about the scars/tattoo's on Daryl's back but i have a different comment about it.

Did anyone else notice when the tattoos are first shown, they are on the right side of his back, but as he walks away they are on the left?
I don't know if they were ever shown before so not sure where they belong.



Aren't those Norman Reedus's real tattoos? I thought he had them in Boondock Saints. Or did I misremember that?
 
2013-02-18 05:06:26 PM  

CapnPlaty: Aren't those Norman Reedus's real tattoos?


Yes, the back tattoos are real.

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2013-02-18 05:31:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I am wondering where the Governor found the Aug.


They are pretty rare. There can't be many floating around Georgia.
 
2013-02-18 05:38:19 PM  

ZeroCorpse: T.M.S.: Mind of the North Star:


I don't know...  jrodr018  is making sense. Its certainly not about "people who have an opinion". Its more about how lame it is to get your jollies out of ONLY sharing negative opinions and making huge deals about small details.

You shouldn't watch the show just to have material to cry about on threads. For instance, how does making the action sequence at the end more realistic advance the plot? Why are people complaining about the physics of situations while zombies themselves are impossible due to thermodynamics? Should the cancel the show because of that? Why does the obvious danger of having a van full of zombies plowed into the base while also engaging in a gun battle have to be explained?

You don't have the slightest idea why I watch the show. You may have found creating your own reasons amusing but you are wrong and it makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Secondly, we were promised the Governor and Ninja chick were characters who were going to bring the show into an exciting new direction and help erase the stain of the endless and plodding season on the farm. Instead we got a girl with a sword who seems transported to this place from an entirely different comic book universe and a Governor and his men who are about as dangerous as a particularly overzealous community watch group. (But like I said their combined assault of endless terror did manage to kill ONE guy. So there is hope)

Those are not "small details" and thinking they are makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Lastly, you do realize its just a tv show? You are allowed to like it in spite of other people's opinions. Fretting about what other people say makes it impossible to take you seriously.

It's just that you seem to make it your mission to hate the show. It's weird. You never seem to have a single good thing to say about the show, yet you apparently tune in every week and then drop in to tell us where it failed you. I'd think by now you'd have ...


I put a fair amount of effort into digesting the first season dramaturgically. But when it immediately fell into regurgitating pre-digested zombie movie plot lines and characters I quickly found the show to be distasteful. And the seasons after that have been even harder to swallow.

It's is a very poorly written show. That's sad because it started with so much potential. But all that has been squandered.

I watch simply because I have to. Zombie fiction has been a huge interest of mine since the mid 70s. It would be unthinkable or me to miss even a poorly conceived, written and produced show such as this.


About the sword, again I must point out my concerns have nothing to do with the suspension of disbelief or picking apart the "reality" of the situation. It's the simple fact that the writers have added a character to the show they have no idea what to do with. And the promise that she would improve things has not materialized.
 
2013-02-18 06:04:53 PM  

justtray: sirbissel: NeoCortex42: Tencolin: NeoCortex42: Kentucky Fried Children: Axel just revealed he was gonna be a serial killer rapist in early drafts of his TV character... kinda glad they changed it up, less cartooney.  And it was fun with him still being a creeper around the ladies, minus the whole RAPE RAPE RAPE thing

There was a lot of internal group strife during the prison arc of the comic that was completely dropped for the TV series. Some of it was good, but I do enjoy that the TV series is really its own thing since it keeps me surprised regularly.

I agree. It's nice being surprised by both the little and large differences. It's cool that he could play such a nice guy who was still creepy. I have to admit that I was always squeamish when he was in a potential position to be near the ladies (and especially Beth).

This is one case where I think knowing how twisted his comic character was made me appreciate the TV version even more.

I don't remember Axel's comic character being particularly twisted.  I mean, a little pervy, but not much worse than what I imagine any other prison inmate in a zombie apocalypse being...

You don't remember him chopping up a couple little girls then being executed for it?

Interesting...

Add him to the list of characters they totally screwed up.


That wasn't Axel in the comics who killed the little girls. That was a different character Click for comic spoiler from prison arc The most pervy thing Axel did in the comic was "accidentally" walk in on Carol and Lori in the shower. After that he was harmless.
 
2013-02-18 06:16:25 PM  
 Mind of the North Star:


I don't know...  jrodr018  is making sense. Its certainly not about "people who have an opinion". Its more about how lame it is to get your jollies out of ONLY sharing negative opinions and making huge deals about small details.

You shouldn't watch the show just to have material to cry about on threads. For instance, how does making the action sequence at the end more realistic advance the plot? Why are people complaining about the physics of situations while zombies themselves are impossible due to thermodynamics? Should the cancel the show because of that? Why does the obvious danger of having a van full of zombies plowed into the base while also engaging in a gun battle have to be explained?

You don't have the slightest idea why I watch the show. You may have found creating your own reasons amusing but you are wrong and it makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Secondly, we were promised the Governor and Ninja chick were characters who were going to bring the show into an exciting new direction and help erase the stain of the endless and plodding season on the farm. Instead we got a girl with a sword who seems transported to this place from an entirely different comic book universe and a Governor and his men who are about as dangerous as a particularly overzealous community watch group. (But like I said their combined assault of endless terror did manage to kill ONE guy. So there is hope)

Those are not "small details" and thinking they are makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Lastly, you do realize its just a tv show? You are allowed to like it in spite of other people's opinions. Fretting about what other people say makes it impossible to take you seriously.



My post used "you" in the general sense. You are correct that I have no idea why you watch the show because I never really cared to think about it. I didn't read the whole thread so if I jumped in to some internet fight, it was unknown to me.  My intent was not to single you out. However, if you are guilty of what I outlined then... oh well you'll get over it and I'll stand by it .


I am mature enough to like something despite the opinions of other. I like what I like. Anyone else can hate it with a passion and I'd still be okay. I don't know how I can explain that any easier. I was just purely commenting on how lame it is to continually go into discussion threads on about anything you(in the general sense) don't enjoy and put so much effort into crapping all over the fact that its not perfect for whatever reason in their mind.

If you aren't going to take me seriously, at least not do it for the actual "small details" I listed in my post. I said nothing about the Governor and "Ninja Chick's" character development
 
2013-02-18 06:24:54 PM  

jaybeezey: Popcorn Johnny: I am wondering where the Governor found the Aug.

They are pretty rare. There can't be many floating around Georgia.


Wiki lists it as the weapon of choice for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, so maybe he raided one of their armories.
 
2013-02-18 06:39:38 PM  

Mind of the North Star:
My post used "you" in the general sense.


It is impossible to take "you" seriously.
 
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