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(Sun Sentinel)   Driving recklessly at 100mph, crashing into a Mitsubishi Galant, killing one woman, injuring another, and sending a child through a windshield? You better believe that's a prison sentence--wait, you're a state trooper? Charges dismissed   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 83
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2013-02-17 11:42:20 AM  
10 votes:

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,


Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?
2013-02-17 12:42:49 PM  
6 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.


Oh, I'm so sorry I insulted your poor sensitive little head.  You're absolutely right.  Police should be able to do anything at all that they want and behave in as reckless manner as they feel like while doing as much collateral damage to the rest of us as possible because they "are just doing their jobs".
Let me ask you something...how many cops do you know?  How many have you worked with on a personal level?  That's an honest question.
I've worked on a 1 to 1 level with over 50 in my previous career and I can tell you as a matter of fact over 90% of them have said "I can do anything I want, I'm a cop.  They will always take my word over anyone else in court." to me at least once, so you just go ahead and keep licking those boots nice and clean there buddy.  You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
2013-02-17 12:16:30 PM  
6 votes:

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The point is you are blaming the victims and being called out on it.
2013-02-17 12:22:06 PM  
5 votes:

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.


He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.
2013-02-17 12:16:08 PM  
5 votes:
"They knew he was wrong. I think it's just because he was a trooper, and they look out for each other."

Ya think?

He could have raped, killed, and eaten a baby, and his fellow officers would still be lining up behind him.
2013-02-17 12:12:40 PM  
5 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Yes, the dead woman and the child are obviously at fault, and not the asshole speeding around a corner without emergency lights.  Her family should pay emotional distress damages to the officer.
2013-02-17 12:14:36 PM  
4 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.
2013-02-17 12:13:24 PM  
4 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Yes, the child should have been in a seat belt.  That being said, her lack of restraint didn't affect what the trooper did that day.
2013-02-17 12:08:23 PM  
4 votes:

propasaurus: Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?

But he was trying to save a life! Someone was throwing rocks!


Yeah, there shoulda been some criminal negligence here... I hope the dead woman's family sues the state big...
2013-02-17 12:06:40 PM  
4 votes:
I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."


Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!
2013-02-17 12:05:51 PM  
4 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


She was 12.
2013-02-17 02:25:56 PM  
3 votes:

Aigoo: Evilhippie: Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, more than half of our countrymen are too farking stupid to realize it or worse, are complicit. Visions of the late 1700s and the Tories dance through my nightmares regularly as I try to figure out if this is 2013 or 1933 Germany... But I'm the one who doesn't know history and is just "paranoid" about what's going on in my country.


History is a long and broad map of every stupid idea and every good idea, ever.  It encompasses scope and scale that are not usually in view in common matters of daily living.  All there in glorious black and white and in some cases, technicolor.  It is the feather in the cap of what we have managed to offer as eduction, because inasmuch as the mechanics are necessary - language, math, science - history is the user's manual.

Here is how fascist states are installed, and this is from people who have installed some whoppers, not me.  You create an event that instills the populace with fear and point to some nebulous enemy as the perpetrator, and call anybody who doesn't foam at the mouth on cue a traitor.  You hold forth great amounts of propaganda that is designed to make the populous divided amongst themselves in factions, all rabidly barking at each other and trying to wave whatever flag you sold them higher than the next person's.  You give broad and sweeping powers to all factions of the bureaucracy and remove and dismantle any protective infrastructure that prevents those powers from being abused or prohibits laws from being unjust, and you do this in the name of security.  Next, you dismantle it's economy from within, and redistribute all the wealth into the hands of the ruling class you are creating and make the rabble dependent upon it for sustenance.  You blame the collapse on the "ignorance and laziness" of the commoners.

Once absolute power and wealth and autonomy is established, you then  - should your new herd of sheep have anything resembling weaponry - create events that urge them to willingly surrender them as a moral imperative.  At this point, you own their lands, their labor, the clothes on their backs and they can't wipe their ass, eat lunch or have any viable income stream without you knowing about it, where they went, what they ate, and how much they have.  You own them like cattle and you can do as you please and live like kings with no effort on your part, and they'll be kept busy waiting for the next urgent message about how the other poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road, who hasn't got a pot to piss in either, is responsible for their plight - thusly unable to form a cohesive response to your shenanigans.

Any of this sound familiar?  That's the play book.   That's the 101.  It doesn't involve people twirling their handlebar moustaches or clandestine meetings in robes or chanting.  It's pure business and as plain as the balls on a tall dog.  And it works every time because the people getting shook down are all certain that it "can't happen here".
2013-02-17 01:00:45 PM  
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.

Since when is the rule that a crime has taken place whenever somebody dies? I guess there's no such thing as accidents in your world, right? Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Also stop calling people trolls just because you don't agree with them, it's really immature.


As part of their job they need to put their damn lights on when driving at high rates of speed.  As far as I'm concerned failure to do so should be regarded as criminally negligent.  Also, if the officer in question is too stupid to figure out that there is no way he's going to make a corner with an advised speed of 35mph at 100mph he's too fricking stupid to have a job that can involve operating a car at a high rate of speed.
2013-02-17 12:27:45 PM  
3 votes:

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.


How the fark doesn't he deserve prison. The asshole was driving ridiculously unsafe (102 in a 35? fark that!) and he killed people.

I say he needs to go to jail just like anyone else.

The cops that clearly conspired to get him off... They need to be shot in the forehead. And no, I'm not kidding. I mean it. They are corrupt cops and they're clearly conspiring to pervert the law. I say death penalty for them is the just punishment.
2013-02-17 12:26:41 PM  
3 votes:

Medic Zero: MythDragon: Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.

Pretty much this.

When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?



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2013-02-17 12:20:36 PM  
3 votes:
McClellan walked out with no consequences, and even got handshakes from his fellow law enforcement officers.

Yet people wonder why they're so maligned. Fark em.
2013-02-17 12:16:41 PM  
3 votes:
I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.  Blowing through intersections IN TOWN at 100mph around "drunk thirty"
at night, speeding with no lights or siren.  Pulling up to an intersection, tossing on the lights/siren
just to get through the intersection because they don't want to wait on the light (I have a scanner
so I know if they are on a call or not).  It just enforces the public's perception of "bad cops" when they
do crap like this, but, considering the moral decay of society, it's not surprising that police do it also.
2013-02-17 05:20:43 PM  
2 votes:
I should now to like to proffer the entire crux of this thread in a simple flip switch.

"Whoa, dude, some guy was doing like, 102, man, and plowed into a cop car and the cop was f*cking killed, dude!  And his partner was thrown from the car!"

"Wow, that guy's life is so over.  Like over, man.  They're gonna throw away the key, take everything he owns and run his whole family out of the county!"

"No, sh*t, man.  Huge f*ckup, dude!"

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"Some cop was doing 102 and wiped out a car, head on dude.  Killed some poor chick and threw her kid through the windshield."

"Whoa, must have been important, though.  Plus he's a cop, so, he'll get off."

"Yeah, it's a perk of the gig, man."


If the gaping hole in the very fabric of decency that this scenario presents, and the simple truth of what it says about how we actually live doesn't make your skin crawl, I confess that I probably cannot bring myself to give a William nor Nilliam, polly wolly doo dah f*ck what you think about anything.  At all.

Enjoy your day.
2013-02-17 02:33:39 PM  
2 votes:
you'll never get these LEOs to behave until you make their personal property, including pensions, available for seizure to satisfy judgment in civil suits.
we need to hold them to the standard required by everyone else in society: behave a reasonable person would, or expect to lose your house and everything you own when you kill someone. \
2013-02-17 01:50:59 PM  
2 votes:

give me doughnuts: Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.

Yes, he was doing his job, but in such a wantonly reckless fashion that he killed people.
There is no practical difference between this and cops kicking in the door of the wrong house and shooting the occupant because the suspect was described as armed and dangerous.


Actually, Johnny, it's a third-degree felony in Florida if a reckless driving offense results in the serious bodily injury to another person. Penalties include 5 years in prison and $5000 in fines. 102 in a 35 is, by any definition, reckless driving. The fact that he was a policeman is the only reason he was not charged with reckless driving. Any civilian under any circumstances--even under threat of mortal danger--would have been charged and sanctioned appropriately, regardless of the circumstances.

Cruiser twelve even believes there was room for more serious action to be taken. Yes, firing him, his commander, and demoting the sergeant are all good steps. But under the law in Florida, what happened was an actual felony. (http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/30000/30100/30132/810826.pdf page 52, footnote 106) But you just go on and lick those boots clean while living in your fantasy bubble. The rest of us live in the real world, with real laws... that apply to everyone but the FSP.
2013-02-17 01:41:10 PM  
2 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: p51d007: I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.

Have you reported their behavior? No?  Then you're the problem.  You are equally complicit.  Any officer who allows any fellow officer to get away with committing crimes is an accomplice.The thin blue line, that implicit acknowledgement that you'll cover for your fellow officers so that they do get in trouble is why things like this happen.


I've been in a situation like this, while walking my then 2 year old daughter on the sidewalk. An officer took a corner hard enough to lose control of his back tires, subsequently spraying rocks to the point of leaving welts on my back as I sheltered my daughter. No lights, no sirens. Just excessive speed and asshat driving.

I was 2 blocks from the police station, and walked over to file  a formal complaint. After talking to the dispatcher I was sent away with "Sargent isn't here, maybe you should be more careful and keep your daughter off the street."

It took 3 days to file that complaint, and I'm sure it went from my hands to the circular filing cabinet.


Not all cops are evil basts, but correcting the ones that are is NOT a task that can, or should, be done by the general populace.
2013-02-17 12:59:52 PM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.


Police officers can take curves rated for 35mph at 120 because they're above the laws of physics. Amirite? They'll just get that extra momentum thrown out of court.
2013-02-17 12:40:15 PM  
2 votes:
I'm just stunned that so many people think cops are above being held accountable for taking a life. He didn't even have charges filed against him so that a judge or jury could at least hear the case and pass judgment.

Even if they fired all the cops involved, the culture they were in remains in place. The news cops hired to replace them would just learn the bad habits.
2013-02-17 12:37:38 PM  
2 votes:
Where Chris Dorner when we need him.
2013-02-17 12:37:24 PM  
2 votes:
Popcorn Johnny: The officer was doing his farking job

So were the Nazis. Welp, you saw it here first: ol' Popcorn Johnny is a Nazi supporter.
2013-02-17 12:33:27 PM  
2 votes:

Kiwimann: I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the officer.

What he did was criminally negligent.  He deserves some amount of jail time (and the cops covering up for him deserve a LOT of jail time).


Except that nothing will change and we all know that. Short of an American "Bastille Day" or some equivalent large-scale rioting, nothing short of the bankers, cops, politicians, etc swinging from overpasses and lamp posts would change anything.
2013-02-17 12:26:42 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."

Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!


This.  The police need to choose when responding to a call, either put your damn lights on if it is necessary to violate traffic laws to get there quickly, or keep your lights off to remain covert and follow the damn traffic laws.  If you are going to be driving at excessive speed, on the wrong side of the road, or against traffic laws the rest of us deserve some warning so we can try to avoid you.

Some of the stupid shiat I've seen police officers do without their lights on is terrifying.
2013-02-17 12:23:37 PM  
2 votes:

MythDragon: Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.


Pretty much this.

When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?
2013-02-17 12:23:16 PM  
2 votes:

Farkage: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.

He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.


Yup. If you're a wealthy, famous, politically-connected, or a cop -- the law doesn't apply to you.
2013-02-17 12:21:39 PM  
2 votes:

nekulor: ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.

Actually, it was execute 10% of the involved forces. It sent a message. I could get behind that method of punishment again.


This. The police have no accountability. As if to underscore this vast division between LEOs and the proletariat target practice, filming the police doing unaccountable things can only end badly.

They've gone too far.
2013-02-17 12:19:47 PM  
2 votes:

Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


Well, he didn't. If a civilian is speeding for something important and kills someone -- vehicular f*cking manslaughter and you know it.

They should be held to a higher standard; instead, they're allowed to get away with murder (in the real and metaphorical sense).
2013-02-17 12:19:35 PM  
2 votes:

ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.


Actually, it was execute 10% of the involved forces. It sent a message. I could get behind that method of punishment again.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 12:17:06 PM  
2 votes:
that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!

Police cars should be designed to automatically put on lights when they go over the speed limit for the area. The system could use the state maximum limit if local speed limits are too confusing to program, but I want the lights to go on every time a cop approaches a 25 mph zone at any speed over 24.

A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Belted passengers can be ejected from high speed wrecks. I remember reading about a wreck where the belted driver went out the back window. Race car drivers get better belts than passenger car drivers.
2013-02-17 12:13:58 PM  
2 votes:
Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.
2013-02-17 12:04:34 PM  
2 votes:
indefensible
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 11:52:26 AM  
2 votes:
When the case came up, seven troopers were in the courtroom, although the reason is unclear. FHP wouldn't say, and McClellan's lawyer said they may have been present for other cases being heard that day. The judge asked if any of them was able to represent FHP against McClellan, and none said they could.

This reminds me of one of the highlights (lowlights) of the investigation into FBI involvement with organized crime in Boston. Government lawyer said he had tried really hard to find the two law enforcement officials who were being asked to testify to facts that might be favorable to the defense, but they could not be located. Defense attorney walked out of the courtroom and found the missing witnesses in the hallway.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 11:49:19 AM  
2 votes:
We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.
2013-02-17 11:06:08 AM  
2 votes:
How is this any different than any other state in America?
2013-02-17 09:32:23 AM  
2 votes:
Looks like FHP has license to kill.  The tag has never been more appropriate.
2013-02-18 04:05:49 AM  
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Honest question:  How much pressure does executive leadership put on law enforcement leadership to ensure that situations like this don't get prosecuted in order to minimize civil liabilities?


It appears in this case that the investigation was presented to the DA for filing of charges, but the DA declined. My guess is that the DA recognized that it's very hard to prove criminal charges against on-duty cops. For some reason juries tend to give a wide benefit of the doubt to cops.

In my worthless opinion, police agencies that want to protect themselves from civil liability would aggressively pursue criminal charges. Juries get pissed if they see that something bad went unpunished, and they award even more money to the victim to make up for the perceived injustice.  I'm sure there are police adminstrators that think the filing of criminal charges is an admission of wrongdoing so they avoid it though.
2013-02-17 05:05:28 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: All jobs have their perks, and I'm sure yours does as well.


Oddly, criminally negligent homicide with impunity isn't one of them.  Then again, you're just tossing out bait and cop smooching, so it's not really worthwhile to point out the cheap, cold arrogance of your assertion, because that was the point.   :  )
2013-02-17 04:40:42 PM  
1 votes:
just noticed that popcorn is also an anagram for cop porn
2013-02-17 03:41:49 PM  
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: He had a legitimate reason for going that fast. A civilian doesn't.


Know what else a civilian doesn't have? Lights and sirens.
2013-02-17 03:41:13 PM  
1 votes:
If you interface with any aspect of the "justice" system, you are in danger of becoming collateral damage on a whim.  And nobody will do anything about it.  At all.  That is the lesson these stories convey, over and over.  And we just wipe our brow and say "as long as it ain't me."  They sort of count on that.
2013-02-17 03:28:44 PM  
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: It's evident from you responding to other people's comments that you are indeed capable of blowing a cop and typing at the same time, so I can only assume that you are, by default, admitting defeat by not responding to my comment after 2 requests on my part.  Interesting.

I'm not going to waste my time with an obviously immature kid such as yourself.


Translation:  "You have worked with many many Police officers on a first hand basis, and have much more direct knowledge of what they think and do than I do, so responding to you would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I know nothing about this topic.  Therefore I will not respond to you since it would make me look foolish and would undermine my point."  Gotcha.  Thanks for clarifying that!
It's the same argument that the gun ban people use when faced with pesky things like "facts".  I hope that works out well for you in life.

And as I said earlier, the second your "Cops are awesome" attitude backfires by one of them pulling the same crap on you, I'm sure the rest of us will be able to see the tailspin you go into from miles and miles away.
2013-02-17 03:23:03 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


As a former paramedic who has worked accident scenes were properly restrained people have been "sent through the windshield" let me tell you how farking stupid and uninformed you sound. Not only are you an asshole, but you're a wrong asshole, FYI.
2013-02-17 03:11:16 PM  
1 votes:

craig328: That's the problem.


To the best of my perceptions, the problem was some "judge" giggling and saying "So you wants to dismiss this?", and then telling everybody to go home.  If that was a legal proceeding, then hockey games are knitting circles.  Tee hee.  I think it's time to start reviewing the records of these bargain basement, chuckle headed cows and autocratic, vestpocket weasels we keep giving judicial authority to.
2013-02-17 03:02:15 PM  
1 votes:

peasants_are_revolting: Repo Man: Any properly trained police officer will have taken driving classes that result in their being safer than 98% of the other drivers on the road. I really doubt that was the case here.

[citation need]




Here's an example of CHP EVOC training. They teach them how to ride a controlled drift, precision driving, basically all of the good stuff that just about everyone should be taught, but only a tiny fraction of the driving public ever are. All LEOs should have a training program this rigorous, but not all do. More.
2013-02-17 02:27:41 PM  
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History is a long and broad map of every stupid idea and every good idea, ever. It encompasses scope and scale that are not usually in view in common matters of daily living. All there in glorious black and white and in some cases, technicolor. It is the feather in the cap of what we have managed to offer as eduction, because inasmuch as the mechanics are necessary - language, math, science - history is the user's manual.

Here is how fascist states are installed, and this is from people who have installed some whoppers, not me. You create an event that instills the populace with fear and point to some nebulous enemy as the perpetrator, and call anybody who doesn't foam at the mouth on cue a traitor. You hold forth great amounts of propaganda that is designed to make the populous divided amongst themselves in factions, all rabidly barking at each other and trying to wave whatever flag you sold them higher than the next person's. You give broad and sweeping powers to all factions of the bureaucracy and remove and dismantle any protective infrastructure that prevents those powers from being abused or prohibits laws from being unjust, and you do this in the name of security. Next, you dismantle it's economy from within, and redistribute all the wealth into the hands of the ruling class you are creating and make the rabble dependent upon it for sustenance. You blame the collapse on the "ignorance and laziness" of the commoners.

Once absolute power and wealth and autonomy is established, you then - should your new herd of sheep have anything resembling weaponry - create events that urge them to willingly surrender them as a moral imperative. At this point, you own their lands, their labor, the clothes on their backs and they can't wipe their ass, eat lunch or have any viable income stream without you knowing about it, where they went, what they ate, and how much they have. You own them like cattle and you can do as you please and live like kings with no effort on your part, and they'll be kept busy waiting for the next urgent message about how the other poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road, who hasn't got a pot to piss in either, is responsible for their plight - thusly unable to form a cohesive response to your shenanigans.

Any of this sound familiar? That's the play book. That's the 101. It doesn't involve people twirling their handlebar moustaches or clandestine meetings in robes or chanting. It's pure business and as plain as the balls on a tall dog. And it works every time because the people getting shook down are all certain that it "can't happen here".
2013-02-17 02:08:47 PM  
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FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."


/Seriously? As a leo, I"m usually on the side of law enforcement, but this is bullshiat. Someone throwing rocks is not an "emergency" of any sort, and even if it was, you don't hit a 35 Mph curve at over 100 mph. And from TFA, he didn't have his emergency lights on. No emergency, just bored and driving like a jackass and killed a woman. Anyone else that drove at those speeds would have been charged and found guilty of vehicular homicide. Hands down. There is no excuse, none, except not doing your job right, and putting everyone in danger for no legitimate reason. This guy should have lost his job, gone to jail, had everything he owned sold and the money given to the surviving family. It's this kind of bullshiat that makes people hate cops, and as a honest Leo, it really pisses me off.
2013-02-17 02:07:59 PM  
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These days I hate to admit I'm a cop defender.  For every cop that punched a woman there's a shiatbag black woman that couldn't keep her mouth shut when asked questions.  Whenever some hippie douchebag gets pepper sprayed, it's because 30 seconds earlier they were throwing bricks through the NIKE store.  Liberals love to break out the "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE" argument whenever the charge in question interferes with their "right" to my taxpayer money....Red Light Cameras, for instance.  But when you feel entitled to other people's things in the name of fairness, anything goes because you're right and I'm wrong.

But man....with this kinda shiat going down, and the Dorner thing obviously the result of corruption coverup...I'm slowly, slowly....eroding my respect for the blue shield.

/I still say Yes ma'am, Yes sir at a traffic stop.
//4 tickets in 3 years, all 4 dropped.
///Don't let a cop "remember" you by being a douche.  It's the difference between him showing up to your hearing, or forgetting you.
2013-02-17 01:59:34 PM  
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clane: untaken_name: Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

[www.mcculloughsite.net image 381x502]


Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study
2013-02-17 01:56:20 PM  
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Evilhippie: Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.


Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, more than half of our countrymen are too farking stupid to realize it or worse, are complicit. Visions of the late 1700s and the Tories dance through my nightmares regularly as I try to figure out if this is 2013 or 1933 Germany... But I'm the one who doesn't know history and is just "paranoid" about what's going on in my country.
2013-02-17 01:46:03 PM  
1 votes:
Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.
2013-02-17 01:23:48 PM  
1 votes:
Any properly trained police officer will have taken driving classes that result in their being safer than 98% of the other drivers on the road. I really doubt that was the case here.
2013-02-17 01:19:50 PM  
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p51d007: I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.


Have you reported their behavior? No?  Then you're the problem.  You are equally complicit.  Any officer who allows any fellow officer to get away with committing crimes is an accomplice.The thin blue line, that implicit acknowledgement that you'll cover for your fellow officers so that they do get in trouble is why things like this happen.
2013-02-17 01:13:06 PM  
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ucfknightryan: As part of their job they need to put their damn lights on when driving at high rates of speed.  As far as I'm concerned failure to do so should be regarded as criminally negligent.  Also, if the officer in question is too stupid to figure out that there is no way he's going to make a corner with an advised speed of 35mph at 100mph he's too fricking stupid to have a job that can involve operating a car at a high rate of speed.


With this I agree. I don't understand why the prosecutor wouldn't accept charges of vehicular homicide in this case. His driving behavior was clearly a willful and wanton disregard for the safety of others, and he caused a death. The investigating trooper was left with the ability to only file a few misdemeanor charges.

At least the agency is taking the proper actions. The trooper that caused the wreck was fired, the troop commander was fired, and it looks like the sergeant that failed to send a replacement to court will be demoted.
2013-02-17 01:00:55 PM  
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Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.

Since when is the rule that a crime has taken place whenever somebody dies? I guess there's no such thing as accidents in your world, right? Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Also stop calling people trolls just because you don't agree with them, it's really immature.


Are you going to answer my question or are you just going to keep on being stupid?
2013-02-17 12:53:52 PM  
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Koodz: Koodz: Mrtraveler01: Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.

Killing people while driving fast or firing weapons is an occupational risk food have that you don't. Oversimplifying this as "murder" is just incorrect.

Cops. Not "food."

Bloody phone.


Oh, I'm pretty sure you've had plenty of cops in your mouth.
2013-02-17 12:50:13 PM  
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2013-02-17 12:49:14 PM  
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Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.



Yeah.... obviously the perfect solution was to drive at unsafe speeds and kill someone... the county is so much safer.  Because the way to deal with an emergency, is to proceed in the most unprofessional, reckless and dangerous way possible, amirite?  If the guy had slowed down and driven like a human being, an INNOCENT woman would still be alive.

A cop here did the same thing when he  ran a red light with no emergency sights or siren, and he took the leg off of a friend of mine when the cop t-boned my friend's motorcycle.  He, and this useless bit of trash, should both be looking at the inside of a cell for a long time, but they're POLICE OFFICERS, so they walk.  Now, ask me why I don't trust the police.  It's because the police have become untrustworthy- nothing more than government-sanctioned organized crime families.  Then there are your fine, upstanding judges... be sure to kiss their ring.
2013-02-17 12:48:33 PM  
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AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.


Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...
2013-02-17 12:46:25 PM  
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skinink: I'm just stunned that so many people think cops are above being held accountable for taking a life. He didn't even have charges filed against him so that a judge or jury could at least hear the case and pass judgment.

Even if they fired all the cops involved, the culture they were in remains in place. The news cops hired to replace them would just learn the bad habits.


People don't. But when everyone in power just sweeps this under the rug and there is no hope if justice, then people just stop caring.

Let's say this gets taken to civil trial, I guarantee the judge will throw it out and commend the police for their swift actions.
2013-02-17 12:45:21 PM  
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ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

you hadn't read any of pop0corn johnny's replies in the dorner threads.  dude has superglued himself to cop nutsack so tightly,  cruiser twelve would tell him to stand down.


Cruiser twelve at least seems to have some rational sense from the few posts of his I've read.  I'd be interested in his thoughts on this.
2013-02-17 12:44:01 PM  
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"If you're not cop, you're little people"
Climates getting farked up.
Can't get sushi without being hassled by the staff.

Welcome to Blade Runner.

/One Zora please
//Dorner was the first, there will be others.
///Not saying that's a good thing, just a prediction.
2013-02-17 12:43:00 PM  
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Koodz: Well, goddamn, kid. May I comment on other threads or should I get you to sign my permission slip?


Maybe Fark does need a posting buddy system like that.  I'll have someone to keep me out of tipping threads, and they can assign me a cyclist or something.
2013-02-17 12:39:44 PM  
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zabadu: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

Oh please. Not designed for an average 12 year old.  Poor argument.

Cop is at fault for accident.  Parents at fault for unrestrained kid.


People just can't comprehend that point.
2013-02-17 12:37:46 PM  
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Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".


you hadn't read any of pop0corn johnny's replies in the dorner threads.  dude has superglued himself to cop nutsack so tightly,  cruiser twelve would tell him to stand down.
2013-02-17 12:31:20 PM  
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I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the officer.

What he did was criminally negligent.  He deserves some amount of jail time (and the cops covering up for him deserve a LOT of jail time).
2013-02-17 12:28:00 PM  
1 votes:
Ah, the police. Bravely risking your life to stomp on petty crime.
2013-02-17 12:27:08 PM  
1 votes:

Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


You're aware that he killed someone, right?
2013-02-17 12:26:15 PM  
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I've never been part of the Fark Police Haters Brigade, but wow. This is cronyism at its finest.
2013-02-17 12:21:36 PM  
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At least some people have been sacked, which is more that I expected.
But did I read right? You have the right to face your accuser in court. But since the accuser wasn't in court, the judge asked seven other troopers if they would stand in? Was she asking if they were witnesses? Or does the Florida court see the FHP as a single entity? No sir, I don't like it.
2013-02-17 12:21:11 PM  
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Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


What you think is irrelevant. Firing him is not enough- it's not up for debate. He caused the death of a person while not executing his duties as has been determined the best way. Jail is enough. You won't be arguing against that further.
2013-02-17 12:18:54 PM  
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The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.
2013-02-17 12:17:23 PM  
1 votes:
Wait until they find the guy throwing rocks and charge him with careless driving, speeding, failure to use his emergency lights, and vehicular homicide.
2013-02-17 12:17:05 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.


But he won't. I stopped believing in justice.
2013-02-17 12:15:29 PM  
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I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.
2013-02-17 12:10:15 PM  
1 votes:
and you know who else had this problem?
2013-02-17 12:09:40 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.


My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.
2013-02-17 11:46:52 AM  
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A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.
2013-02-17 11:36:43 AM  
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King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?


Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.
NFA
2013-02-17 09:58:51 AM  
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Spanky McStupid: " Looks like FHP has most police have a license to kill."


Fixed that for ya!
 
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