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(Sun Sentinel)   Driving recklessly at 100mph, crashing into a Mitsubishi Galant, killing one woman, injuring another, and sending a child through a windshield? You better believe that's a prison sentence--wait, you're a state trooper? Charges dismissed   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 298
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2013-02-17 09:32:23 AM
Looks like FHP has license to kill.  The tag has never been more appropriate.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 09:58:51 AM
Spanky McStupid: " Looks like FHP has most police have a license to kill."


Fixed that for ya!
 
2013-02-17 11:06:08 AM
How is this any different than any other state in America?
 
2013-02-17 11:36:43 AM

King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?


Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.
 
2013-02-17 11:42:20 AM

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,


Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?
 
2013-02-17 11:46:52 AM
A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 11:49:19 AM
We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 11:52:26 AM
When the case came up, seven troopers were in the courtroom, although the reason is unclear. FHP wouldn't say, and McClellan's lawyer said they may have been present for other cases being heard that day. The judge asked if any of them was able to represent FHP against McClellan, and none said they could.

This reminds me of one of the highlights (lowlights) of the investigation into FBI involvement with organized crime in Boston. Government lawyer said he had tried really hard to find the two law enforcement officials who were being asked to testify to facts that might be favorable to the defense, but they could not be located. Defense attorney walked out of the courtroom and found the missing witnesses in the hallway.
 
2013-02-17 11:58:58 AM

Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?


But he was trying to save a life! Someone was throwing rocks!
 
2013-02-17 12:02:40 PM

propasaurus: Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?

But he was trying to save a life! Someone was throwing rocks!


Next time send a predator drone after the rock thrower.
 
2013-02-17 12:04:34 PM
indefensible
 
2013-02-17 12:05:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


She was 12.
 
2013-02-17 12:06:40 PM
I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."


Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!
 
2013-02-17 12:08:23 PM

propasaurus: Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?

But he was trying to save a life! Someone was throwing rocks!


Yeah, there shoulda been some criminal negligence here... I hope the dead woman's family sues the state big...
 
2013-02-17 12:09:40 PM

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.


My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.
 
2013-02-17 12:10:15 PM
and you know who else had this problem?
 
2013-02-17 12:12:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Yes, the dead woman and the child are obviously at fault, and not the asshole speeding around a corner without emergency lights.  Her family should pay emotional distress damages to the officer.
 
2013-02-17 12:13:24 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Yes, the child should have been in a seat belt.  That being said, her lack of restraint didn't affect what the trooper did that day.
 
2013-02-17 12:13:58 PM
Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.
 
2013-02-17 12:14:29 PM
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2013-02-17 12:14:36 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.
 
2013-02-17 12:15:15 PM
Good thing the cop wasn't responding to a wrist-rocket complaint.

I heard they just nuke the whole county to keep something like THAT from taking a life.

(It's the only way to be sure....)
 
2013-02-17 12:15:29 PM
I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.
 
2013-02-17 12:16:08 PM
"They knew he was wrong. I think it's just because he was a trooper, and they look out for each other."

Ya think?

He could have raped, killed, and eaten a baby, and his fellow officers would still be lining up behind him.
 
2013-02-17 12:16:30 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: The point.
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The point is you are blaming the victims and being called out on it.
 
2013-02-17 12:16:41 PM
I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.  Blowing through intersections IN TOWN at 100mph around "drunk thirty"
at night, speeding with no lights or siren.  Pulling up to an intersection, tossing on the lights/siren
just to get through the intersection because they don't want to wait on the light (I have a scanner
so I know if they are on a call or not).  It just enforces the public's perception of "bad cops" when they
do crap like this, but, considering the moral decay of society, it's not surprising that police do it also.
 
2013-02-17 12:17:05 PM

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.


But he won't. I stopped believing in justice.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 12:17:06 PM
that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!

Police cars should be designed to automatically put on lights when they go over the speed limit for the area. The system could use the state maximum limit if local speed limits are too confusing to program, but I want the lights to go on every time a cop approaches a 25 mph zone at any speed over 24.

A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Belted passengers can be ejected from high speed wrecks. I remember reading about a wreck where the belted driver went out the back window. Race car drivers get better belts than passenger car drivers.
 
2013-02-17 12:17:23 PM
Wait until they find the guy throwing rocks and charge him with careless driving, speeding, failure to use his emergency lights, and vehicular homicide.
 
2013-02-17 12:18:54 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.
 
2013-02-17 12:19:35 PM

ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.


Actually, it was execute 10% of the involved forces. It sent a message. I could get behind that method of punishment again.
 
2013-02-17 12:19:47 PM

Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


Well, he didn't. If a civilian is speeding for something important and kills someone -- vehicular f*cking manslaughter and you know it.

They should be held to a higher standard; instead, they're allowed to get away with murder (in the real and metaphorical sense).
 
2013-02-17 12:20:36 PM
McClellan walked out with no consequences, and even got handshakes from his fellow law enforcement officers.

Yet people wonder why they're so maligned. Fark em.
 
2013-02-17 12:21:11 PM

Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


What you think is irrelevant. Firing him is not enough- it's not up for debate. He caused the death of a person while not executing his duties as has been determined the best way. Jail is enough. You won't be arguing against that further.
 
2013-02-17 12:21:36 PM
At least some people have been sacked, which is more that I expected.
But did I read right? You have the right to face your accuser in court. But since the accuser wasn't in court, the judge asked seven other troopers if they would stand in? Was she asking if they were witnesses? Or does the Florida court see the FHP as a single entity? No sir, I don't like it.
 
2013-02-17 12:21:39 PM

nekulor: ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.

Actually, it was execute 10% of the involved forces. It sent a message. I could get behind that method of punishment again.


This. The police have no accountability. As if to underscore this vast division between LEOs and the proletariat target practice, filming the police doing unaccountable things can only end badly.

They've gone too far.
 
2013-02-17 12:22:06 PM

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.


He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


Good for you, now go away.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:16 PM

Farkage: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.

He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.


Yup. If you're a wealthy, famous, politically-connected, or a cop -- the law doesn't apply to you.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:37 PM

MythDragon: Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.


Pretty much this.

When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?
 
2013-02-17 12:25:14 PM
Not a Mitsubishi Galant! Those are awesome!!
 
2013-02-17 12:26:15 PM
I've never been part of the Fark Police Haters Brigade, but wow. This is cronyism at its finest.
 
2013-02-17 12:26:27 PM
Medic Zero: When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?

you're obviously not a Steven Seagal fan.
 
2013-02-17 12:26:41 PM

Medic Zero: MythDragon: Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.

Pretty much this.

When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?



static.guim.co.uk
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2013-02-17 12:26:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."

Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!


This.  The police need to choose when responding to a call, either put your damn lights on if it is necessary to violate traffic laws to get there quickly, or keep your lights off to remain covert and follow the damn traffic laws.  If you are going to be driving at excessive speed, on the wrong side of the road, or against traffic laws the rest of us deserve some warning so we can try to avoid you.

Some of the stupid shiat I've seen police officers do without their lights on is terrifying.
 
2013-02-17 12:27:08 PM

Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


You're aware that he killed someone, right?
 
2013-02-17 12:27:45 PM

Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.


How the fark doesn't he deserve prison. The asshole was driving ridiculously unsafe (102 in a 35? fark that!) and he killed people.

I say he needs to go to jail just like anyone else.

The cops that clearly conspired to get him off... They need to be shot in the forehead. And no, I'm not kidding. I mean it. They are corrupt cops and they're clearly conspiring to pervert the law. I say death penalty for them is the just punishment.
 
2013-02-17 12:27:54 PM
A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.
 
2013-02-17 12:28:00 PM
Ah, the police. Bravely risking your life to stomp on petty crime.
 
2013-02-17 12:28:55 PM

pxlboy: Farkage: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.

He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.

Yup. If you're a wealthy, famous, politically-connected, or a cop -- the law doesn't apply to you.


No shiat.  And it's disgusting.
 
2013-02-17 12:29:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.


That sonic boom I just heard was the point sailing over your head.

People died.
 
2013-02-17 12:30:48 PM

Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.


He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".
 
2013-02-17 12:31:13 PM
reillan:
Yeah, there shoulda been some criminal negligence here... I hope the dead woman's family sues the state big...

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.
 
2013-02-17 12:31:15 PM

King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

 
2013-02-17 12:31:20 PM
I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the officer.

What he did was criminally negligent.  He deserves some amount of jail time (and the cops covering up for him deserve a LOT of jail time).
 
2013-02-17 12:31:32 PM

Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".


Now now, he's just trolling and got both of us to bite.

Just ignore him.
 
2013-02-17 12:32:39 PM
and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com
 
2013-02-17 12:33:27 PM

Kiwimann: I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the officer.

What he did was criminally negligent.  He deserves some amount of jail time (and the cops covering up for him deserve a LOT of jail time).


Except that nothing will change and we all know that. Short of an American "Bastille Day" or some equivalent large-scale rioting, nothing short of the bankers, cops, politicians, etc swinging from overpasses and lamp posts would change anything.
 
2013-02-17 12:33:39 PM

pxlboy: Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Now now, he's just trolling and got both of us to bite.

Just ignore him.


You're right.  Maybe when that exact same scenario happens to his mother/sister, etc. we can return the favor.
 
2013-02-17 12:33:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.


Yeah I remember that time I killed a guy.  The cop made me pour out my beer and go home.


Speeding cop almost took out my sister in '99 or so.  He ran a red light from the left turn lane doing 65, nailed my car right in driver's side tire.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:01 PM

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.


Oh please. Not designed for an average 12 year old.  Poor argument.

Cop is at fault for accident.  Parents at fault for unrestrained kid.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:59 PM

ultraholland: Medic Zero: When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?

you're obviously not a Steven Seagal fan.


Haha! Nice one!
 
2013-02-17 12:35:34 PM

Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".


Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.
 
2013-02-17 12:35:52 PM
clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...

Well, this certainly added nothing of value to the internet. Good jorb!
 
2013-02-17 12:36:59 PM

Spanky McStupid: Looks like FHP has license to kill.  The tag has never been more appropriate.


Police don't have to worry about the legality of their actions.

I bet you a nickel, some politician tries to make getting in the way of speeding off duty officers a crime.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:02 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
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Yes, clearly this was political bias in action.

//WTFisWrongWithYou
 
2013-02-17 12:37:10 PM

Theaetetus: Medic Zero: MythDragon: Surprised the cop then didn't pull him self out of the wreck of his car and start issuing tickets to the dying driver.

Pretty much this.

When are we going to stop letting the cops be above the law?


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Proud.



Is this a new "thing"? Instead of a thread being "Godwinned", it's now "Dornered"?

/just curious
 
2013-02-17 12:37:24 PM
Popcorn Johnny: The officer was doing his farking job

So were the Nazis. Welp, you saw it here first: ol' Popcorn Johnny is a Nazi supporter.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:38 PM
Where Chris Dorner when we need him.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:46 PM

Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".


you hadn't read any of pop0corn johnny's replies in the dorner threads.  dude has superglued himself to cop nutsack so tightly,  cruiser twelve would tell him to stand down.
 
2013-02-17 12:38:35 PM

andyfromfl: Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

What you think is irrelevant. Firing him is not enough- it's not up for debate. He caused the death of a person while not executing his duties as has been determined the best way. Jail is enough. You won't be arguing against that further.


Well, goddamn, kid. May I comment on other threads or should I get you to sign my permission slip?

/suck me off
 
2013-02-17 12:39:44 PM

zabadu: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

Oh please. Not designed for an average 12 year old.  Poor argument.

Cop is at fault for accident.  Parents at fault for unrestrained kid.


People just can't comprehend that point.
 
2013-02-17 12:40:15 PM
I'm just stunned that so many people think cops are above being held accountable for taking a life. He didn't even have charges filed against him so that a judge or jury could at least hear the case and pass judgment.

Even if they fired all the cops involved, the culture they were in remains in place. The news cops hired to replace them would just learn the bad habits.
 
2013-02-17 12:40:34 PM

Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.
 
2013-02-17 12:41:12 PM

ZAZ: . Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.


Defenestration?
runs
 
2013-02-17 12:41:18 PM
This thread is full retard times ten...
 
2013-02-17 12:42:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.


Oh, I'm so sorry I insulted your poor sensitive little head.  You're absolutely right.  Police should be able to do anything at all that they want and behave in as reckless manner as they feel like while doing as much collateral damage to the rest of us as possible because they "are just doing their jobs".
Let me ask you something...how many cops do you know?  How many have you worked with on a personal level?  That's an honest question.
I've worked on a 1 to 1 level with over 50 in my previous career and I can tell you as a matter of fact over 90% of them have said "I can do anything I want, I'm a cop.  They will always take my word over anyone else in court." to me at least once, so you just go ahead and keep licking those boots nice and clean there buddy.  You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 
2013-02-17 12:43:00 PM

Koodz: Well, goddamn, kid. May I comment on other threads or should I get you to sign my permission slip?


Maybe Fark does need a posting buddy system like that.  I'll have someone to keep me out of tipping threads, and they can assign me a cyclist or something.
 
2013-02-17 12:43:09 PM
jeffowl:

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.


It is actually worse than I thought in Florida...  Title XLV chapter 768.28
"Neither the state nor its agencies or subdivisions shall be liable to pay a claim or a judgment by any one person which exceeds the sum of $200,000 or any claim or judgment, or portions thereof, which, when totaled with all other claims or judgments paid by the state or its agencies or subdivisions arising out of the same incident or occurrence, exceeds the sum of $300,000. However, a judgment or judgments may be claimed and rendered in excess of these amounts and may be settled and paid pursuant to this act up to $200,000 or $300,000, as the case may be; and that portion of the judgment that exceeds these amounts may be reported to the Legislature, but may be paid in part or in whole only by further act of the Legislature. "

So liability is limited to $200k per person or $300K per incident unless the legislature grows a conscience and decides to pay the extra.
 
2013-02-17 12:43:47 PM

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The point is you are blaming the victims and being called out on it.


tl;dr
 
2013-02-17 12:44:01 PM
"If you're not cop, you're little people"
Climates getting farked up.
Can't get sushi without being hassled by the staff.

Welcome to Blade Runner.

/One Zora please
//Dorner was the first, there will be others.
///Not saying that's a good thing, just a prediction.
 
2013-02-17 12:44:34 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

you hadn't read any of pop0corn johnny's replies in the dorner threads.  dude has superglued himself to cop nutsack so tightly,  cruiser twelve would tell him to stand down.


Lolz!!!  well played.
 
2013-02-17 12:44:51 PM
The police investigation found him responsible and he was fired for violating policy. Does that make his immunity from lawsuits go away?
 
2013-02-17 12:45:21 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Farkage: Popcorn Johnny: A cop got some traffic tickets dismissed? Oh the outrage. A cop getting a traffic citation dismissed is a perk of the job. Besides, I bet there isn't a person in here that hasn't been given a break by an officer.

He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

you hadn't read any of pop0corn johnny's replies in the dorner threads.  dude has superglued himself to cop nutsack so tightly,  cruiser twelve would tell him to stand down.


Cruiser twelve at least seems to have some rational sense from the few posts of his I've read.  I'd be interested in his thoughts on this.
 
2013-02-17 12:45:33 PM
And I got worried a few nights ago, seeing a cop driving (slowly) backwards up a street during light traffic at midnight.
 
2013-02-17 12:46:25 PM

skinink: I'm just stunned that so many people think cops are above being held accountable for taking a life. He didn't even have charges filed against him so that a judge or jury could at least hear the case and pass judgment.

Even if they fired all the cops involved, the culture they were in remains in place. The news cops hired to replace them would just learn the bad habits.


People don't. But when everyone in power just sweeps this under the rug and there is no hope if justice, then people just stop caring.

Let's say this gets taken to civil trial, I guarantee the judge will throw it out and commend the police for their swift actions.
 
2013-02-17 12:48:33 PM

AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.


Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...
 
2013-02-17 12:48:50 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.


This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.
 
2013-02-17 12:49:14 PM

Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.



Yeah.... obviously the perfect solution was to drive at unsafe speeds and kill someone... the county is so much safer.  Because the way to deal with an emergency, is to proceed in the most unprofessional, reckless and dangerous way possible, amirite?  If the guy had slowed down and driven like a human being, an INNOCENT woman would still be alive.

A cop here did the same thing when he  ran a red light with no emergency sights or siren, and he took the leg off of a friend of mine when the cop t-boned my friend's motorcycle.  He, and this useless bit of trash, should both be looking at the inside of a cell for a long time, but they're POLICE OFFICERS, so they walk.  Now, ask me why I don't trust the police.  It's because the police have become untrustworthy- nothing more than government-sanctioned organized crime families.  Then there are your fine, upstanding judges... be sure to kiss their ring.
 
2013-02-17 12:49:25 PM

Mrtraveler01: Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.


Killing people while driving fast or firing weapons is an occupational risk food have that you don't. Oversimplifying this as "murder" is just incorrect.
 
2013-02-17 12:50:13 PM
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2013-02-17 12:50:18 PM

Koodz: Mrtraveler01: Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.

Killing people while driving fast or firing weapons is an occupational risk food have that you don't. Oversimplifying this as "murder" is just incorrect.


Cops. Not "food."

Bloody phone.
 
2013-02-17 12:53:07 PM

KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...


Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-17 12:53:09 PM
given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph.

Like hitting a concrete wall at 75 mph, or a parked car at 155 mph. Anything faster than 50 to 0 in no time is a serious risk of fatality. If you extrapolate from lower speed crashes the risk of death exceeds 100% around 50 mph velocity change, but reality is not that simple.
 
2013-02-17 12:53:52 PM

Koodz: Koodz: Mrtraveler01: Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.

Killing people while driving fast or firing weapons is an occupational risk food have that you don't. Oversimplifying this as "murder" is just incorrect.

Cops. Not "food."

Bloody phone.


Oh, I'm pretty sure you've had plenty of cops in your mouth.
 
2013-02-17 12:53:55 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Not a Mitsubishi Galant! Those are awesome!!


My first car was a '91 VR4 Galant with all wheel steering. That always threw people off. It was an excellent car. Excellent for drifting too. I only wish they continued making them with the same core features over the years.
 
2013-02-17 12:55:13 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.


Since when is the rule that a crime has taken place whenever somebody dies? I guess there's no such thing as accidents in your world, right? Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Also stop calling people trolls just because you don't agree with them, it's really immature.
 
2013-02-17 12:59:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.


Police officers can take curves rated for 35mph at 120 because they're above the laws of physics. Amirite? They'll just get that extra momentum thrown out of court.
 
2013-02-17 01:00:45 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.

Since when is the rule that a crime has taken place whenever somebody dies? I guess there's no such thing as accidents in your world, right? Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Also stop calling people trolls just because you don't agree with them, it's really immature.


As part of their job they need to put their damn lights on when driving at high rates of speed.  As far as I'm concerned failure to do so should be regarded as criminally negligent.  Also, if the officer in question is too stupid to figure out that there is no way he's going to make a corner with an advised speed of 35mph at 100mph he's too fricking stupid to have a job that can involve operating a car at a high rate of speed.
 
2013-02-17 01:00:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This could well be the most repulsive trolling I've seen on Fark. Someone died, stop already.

Since when is the rule that a crime has taken place whenever somebody dies? I guess there's no such thing as accidents in your world, right? Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Also stop calling people trolls just because you don't agree with them, it's really immature.


Are you going to answer my question or are you just going to keep on being stupid?
 
2013-02-17 01:03:04 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Speeding cop almost took out my sister in '99 or so.  He ran a red light from the left turn lane doing 65, nailed my car right in driver's side tire.


So uh, you got a flat tire?
 
2013-02-17 01:03:12 PM

ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.


My grandfather had the same sort of punishment, except that he lined all up and shot every tenth one....

/always wondered where grandpa got that idea
//then he said, we'll meet again next week same place, and time
 
2013-02-17 01:06:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."

Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!




Yeah but someone might have been killed with those rocks.
 
2013-02-17 01:08:04 PM
He probably figured it was OK since Miami PD does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwhw6BRHDo


For some reason, I find the cadence/tone of her voice funny.
 
2013-02-17 01:08:44 PM
When justice fails, what mil_tia is there to enforce the laws?
None, because they are missing an i.
(I'm not going to do anything about it.)

/Was there a husband?

pxlboy: Kiwimann: I can't believe there are people in this thread defending the officer.
What he did was criminally negligent.  He deserves some amount of jail time (and the cops covering up for him deserve a LOT of jail time).
Except that nothing will change and we all know that. Short of an American "Bastille Day" or some equivalent large-scale rioting, nothing short of the bankers, cops, politicians, etc swinging from overpasses and lamp posts would change anything.

-=-
etc... The Koch Brothers, Sorros, Rupert Murdock and associations, the main figures of last two administrations and Congress who passed and upheld the atrocities of The Patriot Act, Karl Rove and party, controlling stock holders of GE, Exxon, AIG, Goldman and Sachs,....

You mean those etc's?
You know they are recording this, right? (They are looking for the i's.)
 
2013-02-17 01:09:05 PM

Farkage: KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...

Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...


Ignoring the previous posters improper relation of speed to force, you aren't entirely correct either. The mass of each vehicle could make quite the difference in impact force.
 
2013-02-17 01:09:16 PM
What a 100 mph crash might look like....

http://youtu.be/XFkn37BDvTw?t=1m10s


Yeah, this cop should not go to jail or get tickets; he should farking fry! His pension/401K should go to the family of the woman he killed and the child.
 
2013-02-17 01:09:53 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Speeding cop almost took out my sister in '99 or so.  He ran a red light from the left turn lane doing 65, nailed my car right in driver's side tire.

So uh, you got a flat tire?


Nice one, but even though the steel belts inside the tire popped, the tire didn't rupture.  It did strip every tooth off of the power steering gear.  Bastard killed my car.
 
2013-02-17 01:10:27 PM
same thing applied to all lawyers, BTW.
 
2013-02-17 01:10:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.


Eh, if you're going to tack back to reality I'll bite: This I can agree with, but that's not what happened here.
 
2013-02-17 01:12:29 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah but someone might have been killed with those rocks.


Exactly
 
2013-02-17 01:13:06 PM

ucfknightryan: As part of their job they need to put their damn lights on when driving at high rates of speed.  As far as I'm concerned failure to do so should be regarded as criminally negligent.  Also, if the officer in question is too stupid to figure out that there is no way he's going to make a corner with an advised speed of 35mph at 100mph he's too fricking stupid to have a job that can involve operating a car at a high rate of speed.


With this I agree. I don't understand why the prosecutor wouldn't accept charges of vehicular homicide in this case. His driving behavior was clearly a willful and wanton disregard for the safety of others, and he caused a death. The investigating trooper was left with the ability to only file a few misdemeanor charges.

At least the agency is taking the proper actions. The trooper that caused the wreck was fired, the troop commander was fired, and it looks like the sergeant that failed to send a replacement to court will be demoted.
 
2013-02-17 01:13:27 PM

stappawho: zabadu: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

Oh please. Not designed for an average 12 year old.  Poor argument.

Cop is at fault for accident.  Parents at fault for unrestrained kid.

People just can't comprehend that point.


Do we know for a fact that she wasn't wearing a seat-belt? We're just making that guess regardless of the fact the police car hit the other car HEAD ON AT 102 MPH!!!
 
2013-02-17 01:14:08 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]


"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.
 
2013-02-17 01:16:01 PM

TheHappyCanadian: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]

"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.


Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized.
 
2013-02-17 01:18:05 PM

untaken_name: TheHappyCanadian: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]

"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.

Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized.


Congradulations.
 
2013-02-17 01:18:41 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.


Yes, he was doing his job, but in such a wantonly reckless fashion that he killed people.
There is no practical difference between this and cops kicking in the door of the wrong house and shooting the occupant because the suspect was described as armed and dangerous.
 
2013-02-17 01:19:11 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: This I can agree with, but that's not what happened here.


That's exactly what happened here, the officer was driving at a high rate of speed responding to a call of a potentially fatal crime in progress. He was terminated for not following proper procedure, but wasn't found negligent in the death of the woman.
 
2013-02-17 01:19:19 PM

jeffowl: jeffowl:

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.

It is actually worse than I thought in Florida...  Title XLV chapter 768.28
"Neither the state nor its agencies or subdivisions shall be liable to pay a claim or a judgment by any one person which exceeds the sum of $200,000 or any claim or judgment, or portions thereof, which, when totaled with all other claims or judgments paid by the state or its agencies or subdivisions arising out of the same incident or occurrence, exceeds the sum of $300,000. However, a judgment or judgments may be claimed and rendered in excess of these amounts and may be settled and paid pursuant to this act up to $200,000 or $300,000, as the case may be; and that portion of the judgment that exceeds these amounts may be reported to the Legislature, but may be paid in part or in whole only by further act of the Legislature. "

So liability is limited to $200k per person or $300K per incident unless the legislature grows a conscience and decides to pay the extra.


In more than a few jurisdictions, blanket immunity takes politicians, cops, city workers, etc. off the hook for any all liability.  So, at least Florida is doing a teensy bit better.
 
2013-02-17 01:19:41 PM
The Galant was clearly at fault for obstruction of justice for impeding an officer of the law.  If she hadn't died, I'm sure the cops would have arrested her after a nice tasering.
 
2013-02-17 01:19:50 PM

p51d007: I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.


Have you reported their behavior? No?  Then you're the problem.  You are equally complicit.  Any officer who allows any fellow officer to get away with committing crimes is an accomplice.The thin blue line, that implicit acknowledgement that you'll cover for your fellow officers so that they do get in trouble is why things like this happen.
 
2013-02-17 01:19:59 PM

Koodz: Mrtraveler01: Koodz: I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

A lot of murderers have that same sentiment.

Killing people while driving fast or firing weapons is an occupational risk food have that you don't. Oversimplifying this as "murder" is just incorrect.


It is when it's caused by the driver being incredibly negligent.
 
2013-02-17 01:23:17 PM

TheHappyCanadian: untaken_name: TheHappyCanadian: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]

"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.

Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized.

Congradulations. Confabulations.


/sorry
/pet peave
 
2013-02-17 01:23:48 PM
Any properly trained police officer will have taken driving classes that result in their being safer than 98% of the other drivers on the road. I really doubt that was the case here.
 
2013-02-17 01:24:23 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


You can break a seat belt loose.  Woman came around a curve and hit me, seat belt snapped loose sending me out the top, bending the steering column (and bending my leg the wrong way, breaking multiple bones) on the way out.  And, she wasn't doing any 102 MPH..

/the seat belt itself held.. the mechanism you slide and click it into broke something inside
 
2013-02-17 01:24:27 PM

give me doughnuts: Yes, he was doing his job, but in such a wantonly reckless fashion that he killed people.


Then I guess your problem needs to be with the prosecutor.
 
2013-02-17 01:27:34 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


Are you f*cking retarded?
 
2013-02-17 01:29:38 PM
This is now a flying babby thread.

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2013-02-17 01:29:52 PM

untaken_name: Popcorn Johnny: Police officers drive at high rates of speed as a part of their job, unfortunately that means that you're always going to have accidents, some fatal, because of the job they're doing.

Police officers can take curves rated for 35mph at 120 because they're above the laws of physics. Amirite? They'll just get that extra momentum thrown out of court.


What part of 'above the law' has confused you? They're not above 1 law or most laws, but ALL laws. This includes the Law of Diminishing Returns, Godwin's law, and Common Law Marriage.

All laws.
 
2013-02-17 01:30:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: give me doughnuts: Yes, he was doing his job, but in such a wantonly reckless fashion that he killed people.

Then I guess your problem needs to be with the prosecutor.


It needs to be with the prosecutor, the judge, the other troopers involved, and with the reckless bastard that caused the accident.
 
2013-02-17 01:31:53 PM
Overweight St. Paul, Minnesota policeman dies of a heart attack, and it happened while he was on-duty, so the police union wants it to be "died in the line of duty", with financial benefits, flags at half-mast, major funeral with hundreds of cop cars with lights flashing, the works.  More
 
2013-02-17 01:34:40 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


Oh, good point. Clearly the surviving parent should be jailed for child endangerment.
 
2013-02-17 01:35:58 PM

midnite_farker: ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.

My grandfather had the same sort of punishment, except that he lined all up and shot every tenth one....

/always wondered where grandpa got that idea
//then he said, we'll meet again next week same place, and time


Decimation.
 
2013-02-17 01:36:00 PM
If anyone of those officers did testify they would be ending their jobs. Ask the woman officer who pulled over a speeding officer in palm beach. It a good ole boy culture.
 
2013-02-17 01:36:05 PM
Federal Court - Title VII civil rights violation.

OBTW   The My Little Pony Killer, I hope someone near and dear to you is senselessly murdered in the next week.
 
2013-02-17 01:36:52 PM

planes: Overweight St. Paul, Minnesota policeman dies of a heart attack, and it happened while he was on-duty, so the police union wants it to be "died in the line of duty", with financial benefits, flags at half-mast, major funeral with hundreds of cop cars with lights flashing, the works.  More


Do you even have a point?
 
2013-02-17 01:38:07 PM
OMFG. I seriously hope wrongful death suits have been filed against the guy and the PD.
 
2013-02-17 01:40:50 PM

Glancing Blow: OBTW   The My Little Pony Killer, I hope someone near and dear to you is senselessly murdered in the next week.


Holy shiat dude, you're a farking psychopath.
 
2013-02-17 01:41:10 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: p51d007: I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.

Have you reported their behavior? No?  Then you're the problem.  You are equally complicit.  Any officer who allows any fellow officer to get away with committing crimes is an accomplice.The thin blue line, that implicit acknowledgement that you'll cover for your fellow officers so that they do get in trouble is why things like this happen.


I've been in a situation like this, while walking my then 2 year old daughter on the sidewalk. An officer took a corner hard enough to lose control of his back tires, subsequently spraying rocks to the point of leaving welts on my back as I sheltered my daughter. No lights, no sirens. Just excessive speed and asshat driving.

I was 2 blocks from the police station, and walked over to file  a formal complaint. After talking to the dispatcher I was sent away with "Sargent isn't here, maybe you should be more careful and keep your daughter off the street."

It took 3 days to file that complaint, and I'm sure it went from my hands to the circular filing cabinet.


Not all cops are evil basts, but correcting the ones that are is NOT a task that can, or should, be done by the general populace.
 
2013-02-17 01:41:32 PM
I'm glad these fine upstanding folks could get together and have a little titter over tea and negligent homicide.  I'm just waiting for cops and judges to go out on weekly shooting sprees of random citizenry because, you know, the law.  Ever wonder what sort of people *want* to be cops and judges?  Watch the video.  The other shoe has dropped and it's sticking in your ass, folks.  Criminal justice is nothing more than another industry that moves money around and their chief perq is you're totally above the law if you get in the club.
 
2013-02-17 01:45:45 PM
markbrewers at 1:11 PM February 17, 2013 Why wasn't the child in a car seat in the back seat?  Why didn't the air bags protect the occupants of the jap car?  Don't people remember Pearl Harbor?  Don't people realize that the japs are sending us unsafe cars that kill us?  The driver of the Crown Victoria walked away, doesn't that tell yous something?  Buying foreign cars is un-american and has consequences.  Now the japs are killing us with their cars.
Someone's stopped taking their Thorazine.
 
2013-02-17 01:46:03 PM
Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.
 
2013-02-17 01:46:54 PM
clane:
and yall keep voting Democrat...

Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
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TheHappyCanadian:
"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.

clane:
Typical Liberal, when they have nothing at all, not one comeback, not a single argument... as a last ditch effort they shoot for Punctuation, Spelling, or Grammar.  it's sad
 
2013-02-17 01:47:14 PM
Just wait, the family of the next person who dies by a speeding FHP officer will file a huge lawsuit against FHP for 'fostering and accepting the attitude amongst officers that excessive speeding is tolerable and subject to little or no appropriate punishment'...and they may have a winnable case considering the statistics.
 
2013-02-17 01:47:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This I can agree with, but that's not what happened here.

That's exactly what happened here, the officer was driving at a high rate of speed responding to a call of a potentially fatal crime in progress. He was terminated for not following proper procedure, but wasn't found negligent in the death of the woman.


Goodbye.
api.ning.com
 
2013-02-17 01:47:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Glancing Blow: OBTW   The My Little Pony Killer, I hope someone near and dear to you is senselessly murdered in the next week.

Holy shiat dude, you're a farking psychopath.


Accurate.
 
2013-02-17 01:48:04 PM
Reminds me of a cop I met through other cop friends. This guy was a complete roid freak, bad temper, bad drunk, racist as all get out...you could just tell he had a screw loose in his eyes. A year later I heard from those same cop friends that one night he rented a hotel and got a hooker, with lots of fun uppers and downers and plenty of his roids (all stashed in a fanny pack no less) on hand. Things got out of hand he beat her and passed out, she escaped, called the cops. He got arrested, but got the same slap on the wrist. Temporary suspension for 3 months and was back on the beat in no time (manditory drug screenings though since bloodwork should the plethora HGH (and various other steroids), coke and zanax (obviously not RX prescribed).

...granted this guy was a cop in the worst beat in houston, 3rd/4th ward (gov housing) and alemeda mall area (pretty rough area, lots of shootings and gangs). Maybe the guy was a good cop at one point and the crap areas he had to work just got to him....still though, I doubt any of his arrests got the same pity of nature over nurture (even in adults, if you get treated like shiat and see horrible things day in day out, the ods are good your going to become a piece of shiat).
 
2013-02-17 01:48:43 PM

untaken_name: TheHappyCanadian: untaken_name: TheHappyCanadian: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]

"congratulations" to you as well on cashing in those AOL hours, hillbilly.

Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized.

Congradulations. Confabulations.

/sorry
/pet peave


I know, liberals just can't help it, they have nothing else to argue.
 
2013-02-17 01:50:59 PM

give me doughnuts: Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.

Yes, he was doing his job, but in such a wantonly reckless fashion that he killed people.
There is no practical difference between this and cops kicking in the door of the wrong house and shooting the occupant because the suspect was described as armed and dangerous.


Actually, Johnny, it's a third-degree felony in Florida if a reckless driving offense results in the serious bodily injury to another person. Penalties include 5 years in prison and $5000 in fines. 102 in a 35 is, by any definition, reckless driving. The fact that he was a policeman is the only reason he was not charged with reckless driving. Any civilian under any circumstances--even under threat of mortal danger--would have been charged and sanctioned appropriately, regardless of the circumstances.

Cruiser twelve even believes there was room for more serious action to be taken. Yes, firing him, his commander, and demoting the sergeant are all good steps. But under the law in Florida, what happened was an actual felony. (http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/30000/30100/30132/810826.pdf page 52, footnote 106) But you just go on and lick those boots clean while living in your fantasy bubble. The rest of us live in the real world, with real laws... that apply to everyone but the FSP.
 
2013-02-17 01:53:12 PM

cherryl taggart: jeffowl: jeffowl:

In more than a few jurisdictions, blanket immunity takes politicians, cops, city workers, etc. off the hook for any all liability.  So, at least Florida is doing a teensy bit better.


It's much better than $0 liability. $200k can pay for a lot of vengeance.
 
2013-02-17 01:54:44 PM

Aigoo: Any civilian under any circumstances--even under threat of mortal danger--would have been charged and sanctioned appropriately, regardless of the circumstances.


I doubt that.
 
2013-02-17 01:55:05 PM
This case reminds me a lot of a situation that the Orlando Farkers will remember well - an Orange County deputy killed an old man a couple of years ago when she was responding to a non-emergency call for assistance with a burglary suspect.  She was blowing through a 40 mph zone at 86 mph at 5am with no lights or sirens, and T-boned the guy.  The highway patrol showed up and handled the accident, did an investigation, found her at fault, and issued her two tickets.  FIVE state troopers testified against her in court, and she herself admitted to speeding with no lights or sirens.

The result?  The tickets were dismissed, and the judge refused to comment.   You can't expect justice when not only do LEOs act outside the law with impunity, but the judiciary doesn't seem to have any interest in rectifying it.  Interestingly, the sheriff's office fired the deputy for the incident after saying she didn't do anything inappropriate.

Law enforcement and other government officials would do well to understand that when people feel they have no recourse against these kinds of actions, it becomes more and more probable that they'll be handled by the law firm of Remington, Winchester, Heckler & Koch.

/"fark you" to former deputy Malinda Miller
/BIG "fark you" to Judge Janis Halker Simpson
 
2013-02-17 01:56:20 PM

Evilhippie: Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.


Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, more than half of our countrymen are too farking stupid to realize it or worse, are complicit. Visions of the late 1700s and the Tories dance through my nightmares regularly as I try to figure out if this is 2013 or 1933 Germany... But I'm the one who doesn't know history and is just "paranoid" about what's going on in my country.
 
2013-02-17 01:56:30 PM

untaken_name: Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized


clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

www.mcculloughsite.net
 
2013-02-17 01:57:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Aigoo: Any civilian under any circumstances--even under threat of mortal danger--would have been charged and sanctioned appropriately, regardless of the circumstances.

I doubt that.


You're an idiot then. Beyond all reason or hope thereof. Lickspittle.
 
2013-02-17 01:57:46 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: The point.
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I don't get it.
 
2013-02-17 01:59:34 PM

clane: untaken_name: Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

[www.mcculloughsite.net image 381x502]


Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study
 
2013-02-17 01:59:45 PM

NoSugarAdded: cherryl taggart: jeffowl: jeffowl:

In more than a few jurisdictions, blanket immunity takes politicians, cops, city workers, etc. off the hook for any all liability.  So, at least Florida is doing a teensy bit better.

It's much better than $0 liability. $200k can pay for a lot of vengeance.


I bet for $5 a day you could get a bum to shiat on his doorstep every morning.
 
2013-02-17 02:00:52 PM

clane: untaken_name: Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

[www.mcculloughsite.net image 381x502]




Just looked at your profile, and Poe's law is in play. Are you faking it, or are you Fark's pet Freeper?
 
2013-02-17 02:02:09 PM
One law for them another for us.....

And people want more government, more cops, etc.....
 
2013-02-17 02:04:21 PM

Aigoo: You're an idiot then. Beyond all reason or hope thereof. Lickspittle.


Name calling: for those times you can't make a valid point.
 
2013-02-17 02:06:24 PM
Clane, this is an example of "America Femenized" (sic)?

i45.tinypic.com

Seriously?
 
2013-02-17 02:07:49 PM

Aigoo: The rest of us live in the real world, with real laws... that apply to everyone but the FSP.


fettuchini spinach pope?
federal service program?
flying shark project?
 
2013-02-17 02:07:59 PM
These days I hate to admit I'm a cop defender.  For every cop that punched a woman there's a shiatbag black woman that couldn't keep her mouth shut when asked questions.  Whenever some hippie douchebag gets pepper sprayed, it's because 30 seconds earlier they were throwing bricks through the NIKE store.  Liberals love to break out the "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE" argument whenever the charge in question interferes with their "right" to my taxpayer money....Red Light Cameras, for instance.  But when you feel entitled to other people's things in the name of fairness, anything goes because you're right and I'm wrong.

But man....with this kinda shiat going down, and the Dorner thing obviously the result of corruption coverup...I'm slowly, slowly....eroding my respect for the blue shield.

/I still say Yes ma'am, Yes sir at a traffic stop.
//4 tickets in 3 years, all 4 dropped.
///Don't let a cop "remember" you by being a douche.  It's the difference between him showing up to your hearing, or forgetting you.
 
2013-02-17 02:08:47 PM
FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."


/Seriously? As a leo, I"m usually on the side of law enforcement, but this is bullshiat. Someone throwing rocks is not an "emergency" of any sort, and even if it was, you don't hit a 35 Mph curve at over 100 mph. And from TFA, he didn't have his emergency lights on. No emergency, just bored and driving like a jackass and killed a woman. Anyone else that drove at those speeds would have been charged and found guilty of vehicular homicide. Hands down. There is no excuse, none, except not doing your job right, and putting everyone in danger for no legitimate reason. This guy should have lost his job, gone to jail, had everything he owned sold and the money given to the surviving family. It's this kind of bullshiat that makes people hate cops, and as a honest Leo, it really pisses me off.
 
2013-02-17 02:09:26 PM

Aigoo: Evilhippie: Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, more than half of our countrymen are too farking stupid to realize it or worse, are complicit. Visions of the late 1700s and the Tories dance through my nightmares regularly as I try to figure out if this is 2013 or 1933 Germany... But I'm the one who doesn't know history and is just "paranoid" about what's going on in my country.


An this is partly why. Equating 2013 United States to 1933 Germany is laughable.

Are we in a good place? No. But trying to rally the people for change via exaggeration just hurts your credibility.
 
2013-02-17 02:12:42 PM

NFA: Spanky McStupid: " Looks like FHP has most police have a license to kill."


Fixed that for ya!


Even here in RI I see some very egregious driving behavior by cops. That they haven't killed anyone yet is a small miracle. The city cops in Providence flaunt pedestrian law regularly. So I found the department on Facebook and asked them about that. Got an Weeners but nothing more. So I'm sure I'll see my district lieutenant at a community meeting soon enough. I'll ask him there why it seems I've nearly been run over by cops in this area several times.
 
2013-02-17 02:17:00 PM

GarretSidzaka: Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist


Do you seriously believe he's not just some lonely schmuck running around Fark trying to be disruptive for the attention?
 
2013-02-17 02:18:27 PM

p51d007: I've been a law & order person all my life, worked as a dispatcher off & on for almost 20 years.
THIS kind of crap ticks me off.  I see officers doing stuff like this all the time & you just want to
slap em up side the head.  Blowing through intersections IN TOWN at 100mph around "drunk thirty"
at night, speeding with no lights or siren.  Pulling up to an intersection, tossing on the lights/siren
just to get through the intersection because they don't want to wait on the light (I have a scanner
so I know if they are on a call or not).  It just enforces the public's perception of "bad cops" when they
do crap like this, but, considering the moral decay of society, it's not surprising that police do it also.


And how many times have you had those officers arrested? Or were a witness against that behaviour in court? Or reported them?
 
2013-02-17 02:19:43 PM

CruiserTwelve: At least the agency is taking the proper actions. The trooper that caused the wreck was fired, the troop commander was fired, and it looks like the sergeant that failed to send a replacement to court will be demoted.


Honest question:  How much pressure does executive leadership put on law enforcement leadership to ensure that situations like this don't get prosecuted in order to minimize civil liabilities?
 
2013-02-17 02:20:46 PM

Repo Man: Clane, this is an example of "America Femenized" (sic)?

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Seriously?


Unless you can see the exhaust fumes on a cloudy night with no artificial light you are driving a homo machine. Real 'mericans know this.
 
2013-02-17 02:23:39 PM

ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.


Hang the judge and the chief of police and the pig who committed the crime. Hang the one that didn't shot up and his boss as well.  We'll either run out of bad cops or they'll get their collective shiat together.  Either way it's a win/win
 
2013-02-17 02:24:57 PM

Egoy3k: Repo Man: Clane, this is an example of "America Femenized" (sic)?

[i45.tinypic.com image 286x288]

Seriously?

Unless you can see the exhaust fumes on a cloudy night with no artificial light you are driving a homo machine. Real 'mericans know this.


And who wears a helmet while riding a bike?

Such a pansy amirgiht clane?
 
2013-02-17 02:25:55 PM
odd to risk your job to protect a fired employee from traffic fines. Unless they didn't believe there was a risk in fixing the tickets of a high profile case..
 
2013-02-17 02:25:56 PM

Aigoo: Evilhippie: Thank all that is good, that I don't live in USA. Take it from an outsider: you guys live in a police state.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, more than half of our countrymen are too farking stupid to realize it or worse, are complicit. Visions of the late 1700s and the Tories dance through my nightmares regularly as I try to figure out if this is 2013 or 1933 Germany... But I'm the one who doesn't know history and is just "paranoid" about what's going on in my country.


History is a long and broad map of every stupid idea and every good idea, ever.  It encompasses scope and scale that are not usually in view in common matters of daily living.  All there in glorious black and white and in some cases, technicolor.  It is the feather in the cap of what we have managed to offer as eduction, because inasmuch as the mechanics are necessary - language, math, science - history is the user's manual.

Here is how fascist states are installed, and this is from people who have installed some whoppers, not me.  You create an event that instills the populace with fear and point to some nebulous enemy as the perpetrator, and call anybody who doesn't foam at the mouth on cue a traitor.  You hold forth great amounts of propaganda that is designed to make the populous divided amongst themselves in factions, all rabidly barking at each other and trying to wave whatever flag you sold them higher than the next person's.  You give broad and sweeping powers to all factions of the bureaucracy and remove and dismantle any protective infrastructure that prevents those powers from being abused or prohibits laws from being unjust, and you do this in the name of security.  Next, you dismantle it's economy from within, and redistribute all the wealth into the hands of the ruling class you are creating and make the rabble dependent upon it for sustenance.  You blame the collapse on the "ignorance and laziness" of the commoners.

Once absolute power and wealth and autonomy is established, you then  - should your new herd of sheep have anything resembling weaponry - create events that urge them to willingly surrender them as a moral imperative.  At this point, you own their lands, their labor, the clothes on their backs and they can't wipe their ass, eat lunch or have any viable income stream without you knowing about it, where they went, what they ate, and how much they have.  You own them like cattle and you can do as you please and live like kings with no effort on your part, and they'll be kept busy waiting for the next urgent message about how the other poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road, who hasn't got a pot to piss in either, is responsible for their plight - thusly unable to form a cohesive response to your shenanigans.

Any of this sound familiar?  That's the play book.   That's the 101.  It doesn't involve people twirling their handlebar moustaches or clandestine meetings in robes or chanting.  It's pure business and as plain as the balls on a tall dog.  And it works every time because the people getting shook down are all certain that it "can't happen here".
 
2013-02-17 02:27:02 PM
One thing I failed to also say, is his concealed gun was also in said fannypack

\\...what is it with cops and fanny packs. I know its for a firearm when off duty, but it looks stupid.
\\ I would just go for something like this.
capnbeeb.com

// Much more effective then a real working gun...it says hey! Im crazy! Dont fark with me.
 
2013-02-17 02:27:41 PM
History is a long and broad map of every stupid idea and every good idea, ever. It encompasses scope and scale that are not usually in view in common matters of daily living. All there in glorious black and white and in some cases, technicolor. It is the feather in the cap of what we have managed to offer as eduction, because inasmuch as the mechanics are necessary - language, math, science - history is the user's manual.

Here is how fascist states are installed, and this is from people who have installed some whoppers, not me. You create an event that instills the populace with fear and point to some nebulous enemy as the perpetrator, and call anybody who doesn't foam at the mouth on cue a traitor. You hold forth great amounts of propaganda that is designed to make the populous divided amongst themselves in factions, all rabidly barking at each other and trying to wave whatever flag you sold them higher than the next person's. You give broad and sweeping powers to all factions of the bureaucracy and remove and dismantle any protective infrastructure that prevents those powers from being abused or prohibits laws from being unjust, and you do this in the name of security. Next, you dismantle it's economy from within, and redistribute all the wealth into the hands of the ruling class you are creating and make the rabble dependent upon it for sustenance. You blame the collapse on the "ignorance and laziness" of the commoners.

Once absolute power and wealth and autonomy is established, you then - should your new herd of sheep have anything resembling weaponry - create events that urge them to willingly surrender them as a moral imperative. At this point, you own their lands, their labor, the clothes on their backs and they can't wipe their ass, eat lunch or have any viable income stream without you knowing about it, where they went, what they ate, and how much they have. You own them like cattle and you can do as you please and live like kings with no effort on your part, and they'll be kept busy waiting for the next urgent message about how the other poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road, who hasn't got a pot to piss in either, is responsible for their plight - thusly unable to form a cohesive response to your shenanigans.

Any of this sound familiar? That's the play book. That's the 101. It doesn't involve people twirling their handlebar moustaches or clandestine meetings in robes or chanting. It's pure business and as plain as the balls on a tall dog. And it works every time because the people getting shook down are all certain that it "can't happen here".
 
2013-02-17 02:31:45 PM
Apparently my comments contain "text" and I can't post them here.  Carry on.
 
2013-02-17 02:33:39 PM
you'll never get these LEOs to behave until you make their personal property, including pensions, available for seizure to satisfy judgment in civil suits.
we need to hold them to the standard required by everyone else in society: behave a reasonable person would, or expect to lose your house and everything you own when you kill someone. \
 
2013-02-17 02:36:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah but someone might have been killed with those rocks.

Exactly


I'd rather take a rock to the windshield at 65 mph than an idiot in a patrol car at 100+mph.
 
2013-02-17 02:38:04 PM
I'll try it without typing the word 1/\/ \/ 0 L\/ 3, because that seems to be a filter now.

History is a long and broad map of every stupid idea and every good idea, ever. It encompasses scope and scale that are not usually in view in common matters of daily living. All there in glorious black and white and in some cases, technicolor. It is the feather in the cap of what we have managed to offer as eduction, because inasmuch as the mechanics are necessary - language, math, science - history is the user's manual.

Here is how fascist states are installed, and this is from people who have installed some whoppers, not me. You create an event that instills the populace with fear and point to some nebulous enemy as the perpetrator, and call anybody who doesn't foam at the mouth on cue a traitor. You hold forth great amounts of propaganda that is designed to make the populous divided amongst themselves in factions, all rabidly barking at each other and trying to wave whatever flag you sold them higher than the next person's. You give broad and sweeping powers to all factions of the bureaucracy and remove and dismantle any protective infrastructure that prevents those powers from being abused or prohibits laws from being unjust, and you do this in the name of security. Next, you dismantle it's economy from within, and redistribute all the wealth into the hands of the ruling class you are creating and make the rabble dependent upon it for sustenance. You blame the collapse on the "ignorance and laziness" of the commoners.

Once absolute power and wealth and autonomy is established, you then - should your new herd of sheep have anything resembling weaponry - create events that urge them to willingly surrender them as a moral imperative. At this point, you own their lands, their labor, the clothes on their backs and they can't wipe their ass, eat lunch or have any viable income stream without you knowing about it, where they went, what they ate, and how much they have. You own them like cattle and you can do as you please and live like kings with no effort on your part, and they'll be kept busy waiting for the next urgent message about how the other poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road, who hasn't got a pot to piss in either, is responsible for their plight - thusly unable to form a cohesive response to your shenanigans.

Any of this sound familiar? That's the play book. That's the 101. It doesn't consist people twirling their handlebar moustaches or clandestine meetings in robes or chanting. It's pure business and as plain as the balls on a tall dog. And it works every time because the people getting shook down are all certain that it "can't happen here".

It's a very silly filter, isn't it?

*sigh*
 
2013-02-17 02:39:51 PM

pedrop357: He probably figured it was OK since Miami PD does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwhw6BRHDo


For some reason, I find the cadence/tone of her voice funny.


Follow up doesn't speak well for Law enforcement down there..

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/state/florida-highway-patrol-t ro oper-donna-watts-sues-for-1-million-over-searches-claims-intimidation
 
2013-02-17 02:40:33 PM

Repo Man: Any properly trained police officer will have taken driving classes that result in their being safer than 98% of the other drivers on the road. I really doubt that was the case here.


[citation need]
 
2013-02-17 02:51:23 PM

pxlboy: nekulor: ZAZ: We handle it differently in Massachusetts. When city cops tried to press drunk driving charges against a state trooper the magistrate made the case go away. No need to be conveniently absent. Just let the court do its thing. "Continued without a finding" is the standard disposition when public employees get in trouble. That's called "diversion" in some states. Basically it means don't get caught in the next year and it's like you were never in trouble. No disqualifying conviction on your record, no loss of pension for official misconduct.

But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

The Romans, and they who shall not be named, had a way to deal with this: collective punishment. Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.

Actually, it was execute 10% of the involved forces. It sent a message. I could get behind that method of punishment again.

This. The police have no accountability. As if to underscore this vast division between LEOs and the proletariat target practice, filming the police doing unaccountable things can only end badly.

They've gone too far.


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2013-02-17 02:57:21 PM

liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.


OK, since you people are being obtuse for some reason, let me lay it all down.  Pony Killer said " A properly restrained ...."  Which means that if your 12 year old doesn't fit into the seat-belt yet (and that would be odd BTW) then they are LEGALLY farkING REQUIRED to be using a booster seat, at which point they become "properly restrained".  You are being a dick for no apparent reason, Pony is 100% correct here and frankly this is just sad that you had to have it explained to you.

None of this has anything do with the murderous cop, and the fact that he got to walk away.  If it were my 12 year old... well...  ITG and such.
 
2013-02-17 02:58:21 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: and they can assign me a cyclist or something.


If you're looking for volunteers I'll be happy to oblige.
 
2013-02-17 02:59:04 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fark Rye For Many Whores: This I can agree with, but that's not what happened here.

That's exactly what happened here, the officer was driving at a high rate of speed responding to a call of a potentially fatal crime in progress. He was terminated for not following proper procedure, but wasn't found negligent in the death of the woman.


If he wasn't following policy, then in fact he was being negligent, and thus was negligent in the lady's death.
 
2013-02-17 02:59:20 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Aigoo: Any civilian under any circumstances--even under threat of mortal danger--would have been charged and sanctioned appropriately, regardless of the circumstances.

I doubt that.


It's evident from you responding to other people's comments that you are indeed capable of blowing a cop and typing at the same time, so I can only assume that you are, by default, admitting defeat by not responding to my comment after 2 requests on my part.  Interesting.
 
2013-02-17 03:02:07 PM
Koodz:...responding to an emergency call?  I don't know...He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower....I think firing him is just about enough in this case.

Acting negligently or recklessly in a way that directly causes another person's death isn't legal no matter what your job is. Firing is not an adequate response to negligent or reckless homicide.

>>Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.

Of course nothing. That's a question for the jury to decide.
 
2013-02-17 03:02:15 PM

peasants_are_revolting: Repo Man: Any properly trained police officer will have taken driving classes that result in their being safer than 98% of the other drivers on the road. I really doubt that was the case here.

[citation need]




Here's an example of CHP EVOC training. They teach them how to ride a controlled drift, precision driving, basically all of the good stuff that just about everyone should be taught, but only a tiny fraction of the driving public ever are. All LEOs should have a training program this rigorous, but not all do. More.
 
2013-02-17 03:05:00 PM
The problem isn't the cops in the story.  Cop did bad, cop was charged (a little lightly IMO) and cop was in court to face those charges.  The problem only started at this point.  You have in the courtroom the state attorney who is charging the cop.  You're supposed to have the citing officer as a witness.  If the prosecutor doesn't have his witness, he needs to ask for a continuance.  The judge has their own ability to do so even if it's not requested in the interest of justice being served.  Neither apparently did this and all in the room were okay with dismissing all the charges.

That's the problem.

Yes, the family can (and almost certainly did) sue but the real issue here is why and how can the criminal charges be so blithely ignored?  I mean, if it's me, the cop gets charged with vehicular homicide which is what every other single non-cop would have been charged with had it been them that did the killing.  He didn't get that charge and the ones he did get were swept away because a colleague of his magically doesn't show up?  How does the judge just dumbly nod her head and say "case dismissed"?
 
2013-02-17 03:05:21 PM
The American justice system is beyond repair.LEO barely tries to hide it because they are not subject to the laws that govern average citizens.A cop who tells you he is there to "protect and serve" is full of it.Anyone who participates in such a organization is morally bankrupt or naive to point that they pose a danger to the general public.

Considering the state of the economy as well as other social factors this will not end well.Most Americans have no idea how fast a government can change.It would serve them to look into a few history books.In a couple years when you see former LEO/politicians being dragged out of their homes and hung in the street you will know why.
 
2013-02-17 03:07:19 PM
The brick thrower should be the person arrested for murder.
 
2013-02-17 03:11:08 PM

kd1s: NFA: Spanky McStupid: " Looks like FHP has most police have a license to kill."


Fixed that for ya!

Even here in RI I see some very egregious driving behavior by cops everyone because RI's roads are crap and they give out licenses to anyone with a pulse. That they haven't killed anyone yet is a small miracle. The city cops in Providence flaunt pedestrian law regularly. So I found the department on Facebook and asked them about that. Got an Weeners but nothing more. So I'm sure I'll see my district lieutenant at a community meeting soon enough. I'll ask him there why it seems I've nearly been run over by cops in this area several times.


fixed it for you

/went to university in RI...hated driving through north provi...provi...everywhere and also being surrounded by massholes since everything is 20 minutes away.  freaking RI.
 
2013-02-17 03:11:16 PM

craig328: That's the problem.


To the best of my perceptions, the problem was some "judge" giggling and saying "So you wants to dismiss this?", and then telling everybody to go home.  If that was a legal proceeding, then hockey games are knitting circles.  Tee hee.  I think it's time to start reviewing the records of these bargain basement, chuckle headed cows and autocratic, vestpocket weasels we keep giving judicial authority to.
 
2013-02-17 03:17:15 PM

jeffowl: reillan:
Yeah, there shoulda been some criminal negligence here... I hope the dead woman's family sues the state big...

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.


True dat, unless they specifically get his professional certification.  That almost never happens.
 
2013-02-17 03:17:31 PM

bunner: craig328: That's the problem.

To the best of my perceptions, the problem was some "judge" giggling and saying "So you wants to dismiss this?", and then telling everybody to go home.  If that was a legal proceeding, then hockey games are knitting circles.  Tee hee.  I think it's time to start reviewing the records of these bargain basement, chuckle headed cows and autocratic, vestpocket weasels we keep giving judicial authority to.


You missed the part in the article where the judge was shocked that they wanted to dismiss it.

FTA:
The judge, seemingly shocked, responded: "There's no objection? C'mon, y'all Candid Cameraing me?"
 
2013-02-17 03:18:34 PM

BroncoFan_17: The My Little Pony Killer: The point.
.
.

Farker's heads.


I don't get it.


I think that was just his way of saying "Study it out".
 
2013-02-17 03:20:49 PM

Farkage: It's evident from you responding to other people's comments that you are indeed capable of blowing a cop and typing at the same time, so I can only assume that you are, by default, admitting defeat by not responding to my comment after 2 requests on my part.  Interesting.


I'm not going to waste my time with an obviously immature kid such as yourself.
 
2013-02-17 03:21:13 PM

ucfknightryan: You missed the part in the article where the judge was shocked that they wanted to dismiss it.


Of course she was.  A cop with his ass in a sling and they want to dismiss it.  I certainly would be astounded by this or at least try to seem as such.
 
2013-02-17 03:23:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


As a former paramedic who has worked accident scenes were properly restrained people have been "sent through the windshield" let me tell you how farking stupid and uninformed you sound. Not only are you an asshole, but you're a wrong asshole, FYI.
 
2013-02-17 03:23:37 PM

pxlboy: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

But he won't. I stopped believing in justice.


A body can slip down under a seat belt.  It is called submarining and race cars have an anti-submarining strap in the belt system. So an early impact could have subarmined the kid out and then another impact, rolling or hitting an obstacle, could have ejected her.

Nothing trumps that if the emergency vehicle and the passenger vehicle did not collide she would likely be alive now. So driving 10 mph over or running lights/siren might have avoided this hole debacle.

Now the trooper got fired for cause so there is punishment in that. But I know a guy who did about 11 years for a non-alcohol accident that, happened at the speed limit, but took the life of a wealthy influential person's kid.
 
2013-02-17 03:28:26 PM

Mrtraveler01: I was upset with this story until I read this:


FHP Cpl. C. Brooks Yarborough investigated the crash and found McClellan responsible. Prosecutors declined to file criminal charges, determining that the trooper's driving did not rise to the level of vehicular homicide.

"He responded to [the call] rapidly because that's a dangerous thing, rocks hitting cars," Willie Meggs, state attorney for the circuit that includes Gadsden County, told the Sun Sentinel. "We made the conclusion that there was a life lost, but he was trying to save a life."

Then I just got really pissed.

Give me a farking break. Unless they're throwing boulders off the overpass, that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!


A friend of mine totaled his car when a couple of kids dropped a cinder block off an overpass and it went through his windshield.  Fortunately for him it went through the passenger side and he didnt have a passenger.  It did make him crash the car.  It does happen, but someone throwing rocks at cars like you said is certainly not the same thing.

I usually dont jump on the cop hate bandwagon that is prevalent on Fark but this one does get me really pissed, especially the part about his trooper buddies congratulating him for beating the rap when he killed one person and farked up two more.

Your average citizen going 102 mph and crashing into another car where a death results would probably get a reckless driving and vehicular manslaughter charge.  Reckless driving is just one step below DUI in FL.  You better believe the investigating trooper is going to show up to court for that.  Hopefully the fact that he was canned and found negligent coupled with the fact that the tickets were only dismissed on a technicality is enough ammunition for the family to win a large civil judgement.

The fact that a Captain was fired and a Sergeant is getting demoted show some sort of bullshiat is going on in that Troop.
 
2013-02-17 03:28:33 PM

Bell-fan: The asshole was driving ridiculously unsafe (102 in a 35? fark that!) and he killed people.


We watched an SJSO car come by our shop at over 100mph in a 35 zone the same way. It was in an area that has high congestion and nobody should be running that fast down A1A to begin with. The manager called and reported it but as usual nothing happened with it. Much the same way as this state trooper's bullshiat.

My CSB. I did the wheel alignments for our local SO for years and I remember more than once when an officer would come in complaining about vibrations at high speed. I took a ride with one of them shortly after I started that job and when we hit US1 he floored it and somewhere north of 85mph he removed his hands from the wheel and said "see, it shakes like a motherfarker." It was at that time that I began driving them myself since most of them think they're Richard Farking Petty when they're behind the wheel of those cars. Just because you take a few driving courses, which you can't fail to begin with, doesn't mean you know shiat about high speed driving. And yes, I fixed his vibration problem but I never rode with another one of them again. They're all crazy imo.
 
2013-02-17 03:28:37 PM
Fade2black:

//4 tickets in 3 years,

People like you should take the bus.
 
2013-02-17 03:28:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: It's evident from you responding to other people's comments that you are indeed capable of blowing a cop and typing at the same time, so I can only assume that you are, by default, admitting defeat by not responding to my comment after 2 requests on my part.  Interesting.

I'm not going to waste my time with an obviously immature kid such as yourself.


Translation:  "You have worked with many many Police officers on a first hand basis, and have much more direct knowledge of what they think and do than I do, so responding to you would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I know nothing about this topic.  Therefore I will not respond to you since it would make me look foolish and would undermine my point."  Gotcha.  Thanks for clarifying that!
It's the same argument that the gun ban people use when faced with pesky things like "facts".  I hope that works out well for you in life.

And as I said earlier, the second your "Cops are awesome" attitude backfires by one of them pulling the same crap on you, I'm sure the rest of us will be able to see the tailspin you go into from miles and miles away.
 
2013-02-17 03:28:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: He could have raped, killed, and eaten a baby, and his fellow officers would still be lining up behind him.


The baby would simply be portrayed as a career criminal.
 
2013-02-17 03:29:46 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: It's evident from you responding to other people's comments that you are indeed capable of blowing a cop and typing at the same time, so I can only assume that you are, by default, admitting defeat by not responding to my comment after 2 requests on my part.  Interesting.

I'm not going to waste my time with an obviously immature kid such as yourself.


And I'm not even close to being a kid, but nice try there! :)
 
2013-02-17 03:32:04 PM

Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?


He had a legitimate reason for going that fast. A civilian doesn't.
 
2013-02-17 03:33:32 PM

Speaker2Animals: Theaetetus: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison,

Driving three times the limit, killing someone? Do you think that a non-police officer who does the exact same thing "doesn't deserve prison"?

He had a legitimate reason for going that fast. A civilian doesn't.


No, he had a legitimate reason for getting to the scene quickly, he did NOT have a legitimate reason to go 100+mph.  There is a big difference.
 
2013-02-17 03:34:07 PM

Igor Jakovsky: I usually dont jump on the cop hate bandwagon that is prevalent on Fark but this one does get me really pissed, especially the part about his trooper buddies congratulating him for beating the rap when he killed one person and farked up two more.


I'm in the same boat too.

I usually don't bash cops either, but the fact that they didn't seem to give a fark that someone died over this was pretty disgusting IMHO.
 
2013-02-17 03:35:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Farkage: He killed somebody you assh*le.  This isn't "getting tickets dismissed".

Great, I'm dealing with a name caller.

This was about some traffic citations, not the person who was killed. There was an investigation and no charges were filed. The officer was doing his farking job and there was a tragic accident and he fact that somebody died is irreverent to these tickets being dismissed.

Continue your immature rant against cops now.


You are kinda dumb. There was a tragic accident because he violated policy:

FHP fired him in October for violating policy with his driving that day.

He should be in jail.
 
2013-02-17 03:36:42 PM

jayhawk88: BroncoFan_17: The My Little Pony Killer: The point.
.
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Farker's heads.


I don't get it.

I think that was just his way of saying "Study it out".


He was saying that the point was way over our heads. I got it. I was being a smartass.
 
2013-02-17 03:37:42 PM
Galant ferries children to and from school, obeying safe traffic laws.

Goofus drives recklessly, kills and maims people.
 
2013-02-17 03:38:17 PM
I can't help but wonder if people like Popcorn Johnny are also defending the LAPD for shooting up random pickup trucks that they "thought" were being driven by Chris Dorner.  I mean according to his logic, the police had a legitimate reason for going after him, so this is an acceptable byproduct of them just doing their job, right?
 
2013-02-17 03:38:51 PM

CruiserTwelve: With this I agree. I don't understand why the prosecutor wouldn't accept charges of vehicular homicide in this case.


Oh you.
 
2013-02-17 03:41:13 PM
If you interface with any aspect of the "justice" system, you are in danger of becoming collateral damage on a whim.  And nobody will do anything about it.  At all.  That is the lesson these stories convey, over and over.  And we just wipe our brow and say "as long as it ain't me."  They sort of count on that.
 
2013-02-17 03:41:49 PM

Speaker2Animals: He had a legitimate reason for going that fast. A civilian doesn't.


Know what else a civilian doesn't have? Lights and sirens.
 
2013-02-17 03:44:58 PM

tekmo: Marcus Aurelius: He could have raped, killed, and eaten a baby, and his fellow officers would still be lining up behind him.

The baby would simply be portrayed as a career criminal.


Only if it was black
 
2013-02-17 03:46:52 PM

BroncoFan_17: jayhawk88: BroncoFan_17: The My Little Pony Killer: The point.
.
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Farker's heads.


I don't get it.

I think that was just his way of saying "Study it out".

He was saying that the point was way over our heads. I got it. I was being a smartass.


It went over our heads because it didn't have a seat belt on.
 
2013-02-17 03:48:51 PM
Race doesn't matter much anymore.It is just an artifact from the past used by both sides to substantiate any argument.I think at this point we are above that.
 
2013-02-17 03:49:53 PM

ZAZ: that is no justification for going 102 mph without even putting your lights and siren on!

Police cars should be designed to automatically put on lights when they go over the speed limit for the area. The system could use the state maximum limit if local speed limits are too confusing to program, but I want the lights to go on every time a cop approaches a 25 mph zone at any speed over 24.

A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Belted passengers can be ejected from high speed wrecks. I remember reading about a wreck where the belted driver went out the back window. Race car drivers get better belts than passenger car drivers.


My city is relatively crime-ridden (compared to other places in America) but the mayor is desperate to shed the bad image we've had since before I was born. The police rarely use their sirens because we'd hear nothing but sirens all day and night long. When they use them, it's at a busy intersection, then off for residential areas. Not every light or every stop sign, just the busiest of them. The reasoning is so that residents are not bothered, disturbed, frightened, etc. You know when they're coming, though, I suppose it's the tires that are so loud and distinctive. It almost sounds like a wave is coming.

They also banished the police blotter in the paper. Cause, you know, if you don't know about it, it's not happening.
 
2013-02-17 03:51:16 PM
Anyone in Florida with some time to kill, hey I have a new hobby for you....
 
2013-02-17 03:53:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.


you're a stupid son of a biatch.
 
2013-02-17 03:54:42 PM
Was this whole blithe, "hey, we're the law so  f*ck you" dog an pony show the work of decent people?  You know, decent people?  Decency?  Because that's what they're selling when they put on those costumes.
 
2013-02-17 03:58:37 PM
The cop wasn't driving through the turn at 102mph, he was going that fast approaching the curve. Obviously he tried slowing down and lost control.
 
2013-02-17 04:02:25 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Only if it was black


No, if it's the baby's black, it was obviously reaching for a weapon.
 
2013-02-17 04:07:40 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The cop wasn't driving through the turn at 102mph, he was going that fast approaching the curve. Obviously he tried slowing down and lost control.


There was a tragic accident because he violated policy:

FHP fired him in October for violating policy with his driving that day.

He should be in jail.
 
2013-02-17 04:09:06 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The cop wasn't driving through the turn at 102mph, he was going that fast approaching the curve. Obviously he tried slowing down and lost control.


And I'm absolutely sure that he tried to slow down to the speed limit when trying to take that curve too.

Face it, the guy was a reckless dipshiat.

I'm not even a typical police basher, but this was ridiculous. Did the guy even lose his license?
 
2013-02-17 04:09:14 PM

vudukungfu: ZAZ: . Fire 10% of the officers in each of the involved forces.

Defenestration?
runs


OK, throw 10% of the officers out of a window.  If the window is sufficiently high.
 
2013-02-17 04:09:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The cop wasn't driving through the turn at 102mph, he was going that fast approaching the curve. Obviously he tried slowing down and lost control.


Yep.  He took the 35mph corner at 90mph.  Because cop cars handle better than full blown race cars so they should have no problem breaking the laws of physics.  Because those laws don't apply to police either I guess...as long as they are on duty and on the way to a call, right?
 
2013-02-17 04:13:34 PM
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2013-02-17 04:14:52 PM

Mrtraveler01: And I'm absolutely sure that he tried to slow down to the speed limit when trying to take that curve too.


I'm sure he intended on slowing down to what he considered a safe speed and made a mistake in judgement. You make it sound like it was his first day driving or something.
 
2013-02-17 04:22:59 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: And I'm absolutely sure that he tried to slow down to the speed limit when trying to take that curve too.

I'm sure he intended on slowing down to what he considered a safe speed and made a mistake in judgement. You make it sound like it was his first day driving or something.


Taking a curve at 102 mph is not what anyone would consider a safe speed.on a 2 lane county road.  Considering your fark handle is Popcorn, I'm going to guess you're trolling and Ill give you a 9/10 because you've certainly got a lot of bites, including mine.
 
2013-02-17 04:24:28 PM

craig328: The problem isn't the cops in the story.  Cop did bad, cop was charged (a little lightly IMO) and cop was in court to face those charges.  The problem only started at this point.  You have in the courtroom the state attorney who is charging the cop.  You're supposed to have the citing officer as a witness.  If the prosecutor doesn't have his witness, he needs to ask for a continuance.  The judge has their own ability to do so even if it's not requested in the interest of justice being served.  Neither apparently did this and all in the room were okay with dismissing all the charges.

That's the problem.

Yes, the family can (and almost certainly did) sue but the real issue here is why and how can the criminal charges be so blithely ignored?  I mean, if it's me, the cop gets charged with vehicular homicide which is what every other single non-cop would have been charged with had it been them that did the killing.  He didn't get that charge and the ones he did get were swept away because a colleague of his magically doesn't show up?  How does the judge just dumbly nod her head and say "case dismissed"?


you'll never ever get the criminal justice system to police the police. they are the vanguard of the justice system.
it's like asking the boys on wallstreet to regulate themselves.
the only chance is legislation opening these LEOs up to civil suit when they act with unreasonable disregard for society.
 
2013-02-17 04:31:33 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Taking a curve at 102 mph


I give up.
 
2013-02-17 04:31:34 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.


Head on collision at 90 mph (the officer's speed) PLUS whatever the civilians were going?

Ya, the average baby seat might well go somewhere...they ain't made of titanium, and neither is the entire car it's sitting in.

Cop should be punished at least a LITTLE, ffs.
 
2013-02-17 04:35:44 PM

PunGent: Cop should be punished at least a LITTLE, ffs.


You mean like losing his job?
 
2013-02-17 04:39:30 PM

jeffowl: jeffowl:

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.

It is actually worse than I thought in Florida...  Title XLV chapter 768.28
"Neither the state nor its agencies or subdivisions shall be liable to pay a claim or a judgment by any one person which exceeds the sum of $200,000 or any claim or judgment, or portions thereof, which, when totaled with all other claims or judgments paid by the state or its agencies or subdivisions arising out of the same incident or occurrence, exceeds the sum of $300,000. However, a judgment or judgments may be claimed and rendered in excess of these amounts and may be settled and paid pursuant to this act up to $200,000 or $300,000, as the case may be; and that portion of the judgment that exceeds these amounts may be reported to the Legislature, but may be paid in part or in whole only by further act of the Legislature. "

So liability is limited to $200k per person or $300K per incident unless the legislature grows a conscience and decides to pay the extra.


And considering a serious case can run you $50k or $100k in investigative costs and expert testimony...not a lot of attorneys are willing to throw that money down without a chance at getting paid.
 
2013-02-17 04:40:42 PM
just noticed that popcorn is also an anagram for cop porn
 
2013-02-17 04:40:59 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
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Your website in your profile is listed as the Drudge Report.

Troll.
 
2013-02-17 04:42:44 PM

Kahabut: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

OK, since you people are being obtuse for some reason, let me lay it all down.  Pony Killer said " A properly restrained ...."  Which means that if your 12 year old doesn't fit into the seat-belt yet (and that would be odd BTW) then they are LEGALLY farkING REQUIRED to be using a booster seat, at which point they become "properly restrained".  You are being a dick for no apparent reason, Pony is 100% correct here and frankly this is just sad that you had to have it explained to you.

None of this has anything do with the murderous cop, and the fact that he got to walk away.  If it were my 12 year old... well...  ITG and such.


You've never been in a serious head-on collision.

No, that's not a guess.
 
2013-02-17 04:45:04 PM

Popcorn Johnny: PunGent: Cop should be punished at least a LITTLE, ffs.

You mean like losing his job?


That's a non-judicial "punishment."  Yes, it sucks...unless he just gets re-hired in another county...and it's not like he'll have a criminal record, will he?

The Florida LEGAL system has said his actions are 100% hunky-dory.

I disagree with them.
 
2013-02-17 04:46:33 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: And I'm absolutely sure that he tried to slow down to the speed limit when trying to take that curve too.

I'm sure he intended on slowing down to what he considered a safe speed


I'm using that one next time I get pulled over :)
 
2013-02-17 04:56:42 PM

PunGent: The Florida LEGAL system has said his actions are 100% hunky-dory.

I disagree with them.


Well actually he was issued 3 citations for his actions. I'll be the first to admit that there are some shenanigans in place when it comes to police officers and other court officials getting tickets dismissed, but it's nothing to get all butthurt about. All jobs have their perks, and I'm sure yours does as well.
 
2013-02-17 05:05:28 PM

Popcorn Johnny: All jobs have their perks, and I'm sure yours does as well.


Oddly, criminally negligent homicide with impunity isn't one of them.  Then again, you're just tossing out bait and cop smooching, so it's not really worthwhile to point out the cheap, cold arrogance of your assertion, because that was the point.   :  )
 
2013-02-17 05:09:48 PM
Cops are some of the most morally bankrupt people on the entire planet. No surprises here.
 
2013-02-17 05:11:04 PM

bunner: Oddly, criminally negligent homicide with impunity isn't one of them.


He was cleared of wrongdoing in the death. These citations being tossed have nothing to do with that.
 
2013-02-17 05:20:43 PM
I should now to like to proffer the entire crux of this thread in a simple flip switch.

"Whoa, dude, some guy was doing like, 102, man, and plowed into a cop car and the cop was f*cking killed, dude!  And his partner was thrown from the car!"

"Wow, that guy's life is so over.  Like over, man.  They're gonna throw away the key, take everything he owns and run his whole family out of the county!"

"No, sh*t, man.  Huge f*ckup, dude!"

----------------------------------------------

"Some cop was doing 102 and wiped out a car, head on dude.  Killed some poor chick and threw her kid through the windshield."

"Whoa, must have been important, though.  Plus he's a cop, so, he'll get off."

"Yeah, it's a perk of the gig, man."


If the gaping hole in the very fabric of decency that this scenario presents, and the simple truth of what it says about how we actually live doesn't make your skin crawl, I confess that I probably cannot bring myself to give a William nor Nilliam, polly wolly doo dah f*ck what you think about anything.  At all.

Enjoy your day.
 
2013-02-17 05:21:38 PM

Popcorn Johnny: He was cleared of wrongdoing in the death.


Oh, well, OK then!
 
2013-02-17 05:28:07 PM

PunGent: jeffowl: jeffowl:

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.

It is actually worse than I thought in Florida...  Title XLV chapter 768.28
"Neither the state nor its agencies or subdivisions shall be liable to pay a claim or a judgment by any one person which exceeds the sum of $200,000 or any claim or judgment, or portions thereof, which, when totaled with all other claims or judgments paid by the state or its agencies or subdivisions arising out of the same incident or occurrence, exceeds the sum of $300,000. However, a judgment or judgments may be claimed and rendered in excess of these amounts and may be settled and paid pursuant to this act up to $200,000 or $300,000, as the case may be; and that portion of the judgment that exceeds these amounts may be reported to the Legislature, but may be paid in part or in whole only by further act of the Legislature. "

So liability is limited to $200k per person or $300K per incident unless the legislature grows a conscience and decides to pay the extra.

And considering a serious case can run you $50k or $100k in investigative costs and expert testimony...not a lot of attorneys are willing to throw that money down without a chance at getting paid.


and its not like the cop has to pay the bill in any event. why would he give two shiats if the city had to cut the hours of dmv workers and janitors to pay a settlement that some how made it through the hoops.
 
2013-02-17 05:57:56 PM
Dear gun-nuts

You keep talking about needing your guns to keep the government at bay, so that they don't abuse their powers. So that they remember who they work for.

Well here we have a situation where a representative of government MURDERED a civilian, and the government just have him a pass.

So I was wondering, is this going to be the time that you exercise your Second Amendment rights and go after the government officials who committed and covered up this act? Is this going to be the time you take an stand to keep us from turning into Nazi Germany?

Or are you just going to keep playing internet tough guy in order to keep your guns?
 
2013-02-17 06:11:07 PM

Electrify: Dear gun-nuts

You keep talking about needing your guns to keep the government at bay, so that they don't abuse their powers. So that they remember who they work for.

Well here we have a situation where a representative of government MURDERED a civilian, and the government just have him a pass.

So I was wondering, is this going to be the time that you exercise your Second Amendment rights and go after the government officials who committed and covered up this act? Is this going to be the time you take an stand to keep us from turning into Nazi Germany?

Or are you just going to keep playing internet tough guy in order to keep your guns?


0/10.  Are you even trying?  C'mon Electrify this thread!
 
2013-02-17 06:56:14 PM

Propain_az: 0/10.  Are you even trying?  C'mon Electrify this thread!

Could you please explain how his point isn't valid?  Because that is precisely the rhetoric of the second amendment's most vehement supporters.
 
2013-02-17 06:57:20 PM

italie: Farkage: KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...

Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...

Ignoring the previous posters improper relation of speed to force, you aren't entirely correct either. The mass of each vehicle could make quite the difference in impact force.


and not only that I don't think I've ever seen a brick wall with crumple zones.
 
2013-02-17 07:30:07 PM

Happy Hours: italie: Farkage: KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...

Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...

Ignoring the previous posters improper relation of speed to force, you aren't entirely correct either. The mass of each vehicle could make quite the difference in impact force.

and not only that I don't think I've ever seen a brick wall with crumple zones.


2 cars of identical mass traveling at identical speeds will behave (effectively) in a head on collision as one car hitting a brick wall at that same speed.  Crumple zones won't change that as the crumple zone in 1 car will 'soften ' the blow for that car and that car only, while the one in the second car will do likewise.  The conservation of momentum equation states that the total momentum of the system must be conserved.  The kinetic energy equation states that the energy of an object increases with the square of the velocity, and you can't just add the velocity of a second object to it for the purposes of argument.
In this example, if one car weighed 3X the other and they were traveling at the same speed, those equations would prove that the lesser mass car will be at the disadvantage, but it still isn't adding their velocities and hitting an immovable object.
And as much as I hate to reference them, the Mythbusters did an episode of it as well.

/Engineer
 
2013-02-17 08:03:52 PM

Koodz: I was hoping this was going to be a clear-cut case of the cop just joyriding and engaging in cop antics, because I tend to be on the anti-cop side.  But responding to an emergency call?  I don't know.  We laugh about rocks being thrown off an overpass, but a brick thrown from an overpass onto a driver can easily kill everybody in the car.  It was a legitimate emergency call.  There's no real civilian analogue for this kind of thing, so I can't make a fair comparison and say that if I did the same thing I would deserve prison.  There's no justification for me to be in that situation.  There ARE reasons for a cop to be driving somewhere fast.

He should have had his lights on.  He should have been slower.  Of course having his lights on would have had no effect on what happened.  I think firing him is just about enough in this case.


Pertty much this.
 
2013-02-17 08:05:23 PM

KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...


No, no it isn't .
 
2013-02-17 08:13:10 PM

PunGent: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Congradulations to Judge Kathy Garner
[bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com image 570x760]

Your website in your profile is listed as the Drudge Report.

Troll.


clane:
ummm wow you got me good...  yeaer smaurttttt
 
2013-02-17 08:21:13 PM

drayno76: His pension/401K should go to the family of the woman he killed and the child.


So why is it that if an Officer goes to prison, he gets to keep his pension, but when a civilian goes to prison the state seizes his savings and retirement?
 
2013-02-17 08:30:26 PM
untaken_name:
Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....


GarretSidzaka:
Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study

clane:
No I don't believe Liberals are communists I believe Liberals are Socialists.


I am Conservative/Libertarian.The Government should protect our borders and build highways and abide by/protect our Constitution.Not tell me what size Coke I may have, Not tell me I can't allow smokers in my bar, Not tell me I have to wear a seatbelt.


Do you not cherish freedom at all?  Do you need a nanny state type government to tell you how much salt you may have on your fries?


But hey I see your point... oh wait you didn't make a point you just threw insults... oh well it's exactly what I expect from Liberals.
 
2013-02-17 08:31:50 PM

clane: untaken_name: Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

[www.mcculloughsite.net image 381x502]


Um, I didn't  misspell the word. "Use" is spelled correctly. It's just the wrong word. They're called "typos", and I'm guessing you've never heard of them. I'm happy to provide you some education. Also, I'm extremely brilliant, SUPER DUPER brilliant, and you're more ignorant than a toad. I'm not sure why you wanted me to tell you that, since I wasn't even talking to you, but there you go.
 
2013-02-17 08:39:54 PM

bunner: Propain_az: 0/10.  Are you even trying?  C'mon Electrify this thread!
Could you please explain how his point isn't valid?  Because that is precisely the rhetoric of the second amendment's most vehement supporters.


If we're not doing anything about abuses like this when we're armed, what makes you think we'd be more likely to do something about it if we were unarmed?
 
2013-02-17 08:41:05 PM
The Boyzenblue ... America's most dangerous, powerful and terrifying street gang.
 
2013-02-17 09:11:37 PM
But when his case came up in court, the trooper who issued the citations wasn't there. Another trooper in attendance said that though he couldn't represent the agency, he would not object to dismissing the tickets, and the judge did just that.

Chris Dorner FTW.
 
2013-02-17 09:15:29 PM

clane: untaken_name:
Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

GarretSidzaka:
Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study

clane:
No I don't believe Liberals are communists I believe Liberals are Socialists.


I am Conservative/Libertarian.The Government should protect our borders and build highways and abide by/protect our Constitution.Not tell me what size Coke I may have, Not tell me I can't allow smokers in my bar, Not tell me I have to wear a seatbelt.


Do you not cherish freedom at all?  Do you need a nanny state type government to tell you how much salt you may have on your fries?


But hey I see your point... oh wait you didn't make a point you just threw insults... oh well it's exactly what I expect from Liberals.




Bless your heart.
 
2013-02-17 09:36:22 PM
If he'd had his lights and sirens on the other vehicle would have known he was coming and could have pulled over possibly avoiding the accident.  The cop is at fault and I hope the family sues his ass into oblivion.
 
2013-02-17 09:40:05 PM

Popcorn Johnny: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah but someone might have been killed with those rocks.

Exactly


And someone being killed, two others injured by a reckless driver is better how, exactly?
 
2013-02-17 09:47:27 PM

Farkage: Happy Hours: italie: Farkage: KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...

Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...

Ignoring the previous posters improper relation of speed to force, you aren't entirely correct either. The mass of each vehicle could make quite the difference in impact force.

and not only that I don't think I've ever seen a brick wall with crumple zones.

2 cars of identical mass traveling at identical speeds will behave (effectively) in a head on collision as one car hitting a brick wall at that same speed.  Crumple zones won't change that as the crumple zone in 1 car will 'soften ' the blow for that car and that car only, while the one in the second car will do likewise.  The conservation of momentum equation states that the total momentum of the system must be conserved.  The kinetic energy equation states that the energy of an object increases with the square of the velocity, and you can't just add the velocity of a second object to it for the purposes of argument.
In this example, if one car weighed 3X the other and they were traveling at the same speed, those equations would prove that the lesser mass car will be at the disadvantage, but it still isn't adding their velocities and hitting an imm ...


I was actually thinking of 2 different cars crashing -one from say the 1950s and a modern one.

I like older cars but there's no way I'd ever want to crash in one.
 
2013-02-17 09:59:19 PM

zabadu: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Seat belts aren't really designed for your average 12 yr old. There is a chance she was wearing one, regardless of her wearing one he still killed the driver and deserves to go to jail.

Oh please. Not designed for an average 12 year old.  Poor argument.

Cop is at fault for accident.  Parents at fault for unrestrained kid.


Unrestrained kid (undemonstrated) wouldn't have mattered if cop wasn't at fault for wreck.
 
2013-02-17 10:04:26 PM
I hesitate to even post in this thread due to the derp level and obvious trolling, however, I have always wondered why police cruisers don't have a system to automatically activate lights and siren when speed is over posted limit/certain speed. There is probably a good reason, I just cant think of it. Seems it may save lives. Maybe not in this case but in some situations.

/don't feed the trolls... please.
 
2013-02-17 10:05:45 PM

Happy Hours: Farkage: Happy Hours: italie: Farkage: KStDrew: AcneVulgaris: The My Little Pony Killer: liam76: The My Little Pony Killer: A baby that is properly restrained does not get "sent through the windshield" fyi.

She was 12.

My point stands.  A properly restrained ANYTHING doesn't go flying out the car.

Depends on how hard the car gets hit.  Hit it hard enough and EVERYTHING goes flying out of the car.

Didn't read TFA but if the collision was head on, and given the patrol car was doing 100 mph and the Mitsubishi 55 mph, it's like hitting a concrete wall at 155 mph. At that speed, you'll fly out out of the car together with your seat and seat belt.

/ got rear ended at 50 mph. My seat came loose...

Physics fail.  The speeds aren't additive.  2 cars colliding at 50mph each head on is the same as hitting a brick wall at 50mph.
Either way, I don't want to hit anything at speed...

Ignoring the previous posters improper relation of speed to force, you aren't entirely correct either. The mass of each vehicle could make quite the difference in impact force.

and not only that I don't think I've ever seen a brick wall with crumple zones.

2 cars of identical mass traveling at identical speeds will behave (effectively) in a head on collision as one car hitting a brick wall at that same speed.  Crumple zones won't change that as the crumple zone in 1 car will 'soften ' the blow for that car and that car only, while the one in the second car will do likewise.  The conservation of momentum equation states that the total momentum of the system must be conserved.  The kinetic energy equation states that the energy of an object increases with the square of the velocity, and you can't just add the velocity of a second object to it for the purposes of argument.
In this example, if one car weighed 3X the other and they were traveling at the same speed, those equations would prove that the lesser mass car will be at the disadvantage, but it still isn't adding their velocities and hitting an imm ...

I was actually thinking of 2 different cars crashing -one from say the 1950s and a modern one.

I like older cars but there's no way I'd ever want to crash in one.


Nooooooo kidding...
 
2013-02-17 10:16:37 PM

Happy Hours: I like older cars but there's no way I'd ever want to crash in one.


Are you saying you want to crash in modern cars? I think I saw the movie about you:

www.videotapeswapshop.co.uk
 
2013-02-17 10:35:59 PM

bunner: I should now to like to proffer the entire crux of this thread in a simple flip switch.

"Whoa, dude, some guy was doing like, 102, man, and plowed into a cop car and the cop was f*cking killed, dude!  And his partner was thrown from the car!"

"Wow, that guy's life is so over.  Like over, man.  They're gonna throw away the key, take everything he owns and run his whole family out of the county!"

"No, sh*t, man.  Huge f*ckup, dude!"

----------------------------------------------

"Some cop was doing 102 and wiped out a car, head on dude.  Killed some poor chick and threw her kid through the windshield."

"Whoa, must have been important, though.  Plus he's a cop, so, he'll get off."

"Yeah, it's a perk of the gig, man."


If the gaping hole in the very fabric of decency that this scenario presents, and the simple truth of what it says about how we actually live doesn't make your skin crawl, I confess that I probably cannot bring myself to give a William nor Nilliam, polly wolly doo dah f*ck what you think about anything.  At all.

Enjoy your day.


Well put and for that I now punish you by putting you on my favorite list...
 
2013-02-17 10:54:11 PM
Someone needs to put a stop to this b.s. Cops abusing their power and no consequences. This cop and the farktards that stood up for him all need a bullet in the head
 
2013-02-17 11:15:28 PM

Kahabut: OK, since you people are being obtuse for some reason, let me lay it all down.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-18 12:10:15 AM
Happy Hours:

I was actually thinking of 2 different cars crashing -one from say the 1950s and a modern one.

I like older cars but there's no way I'd ever want to crash in one.


Depends on the car. I'd be willing to take my chances in one of these...

encarsglobe.com
 
2013-02-18 12:21:00 AM

clane: untaken_name:
Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

GarretSidzaka:
Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study

clane:
No I don't believe Liberals are communists I believe Liberals are Socialists.


I am Conservative/Libertarian.The Government should protect our borders and build highways and abide by/protect our Constitution.Not tell me what size Coke I may have, Not tell me I can't allow smokers in my bar, Not tell me I have to wear a seatbelt.


Do you not cherish freedom at all?  Do you need a nanny state type government to tell you how much salt you may have on your fries?


But hey I see your point... oh wait you didn't make a point you just threw insults... oh well it's exactly what I expect from Liberals.


um, requiring you to wear your seatbelt is not nanny stateish.  If you get in a collision it will keep you behind the wheel and thus more able to control where your car goes.  You don't get to decide to endanger everyone else on the road because the belt is uncomfortable.
 
2013-02-18 12:25:39 AM

thorthor: I hesitate to even post in this thread due to the derp level and obvious trolling, however, I have always wondered why police cruisers don't have a system to automatically activate lights and siren when speed is over posted limit/certain speed. There is probably a good reason, I just cant think of it. Seems it may save lives. Maybe not in this case but in some situations.

/don't feed the trolls... please.


Anybody?
 
2013-02-18 01:25:17 AM

thorthor: thorthor: I hesitate to even post in this thread due to the derp level and obvious trolling, however, I have always wondered why police cruisers don't have a system to automatically activate lights and siren when speed is over posted limit/certain speed. There is probably a good reason, I just cant think of it. Seems it may save lives. Maybe not in this case but in some situations.

/don't feed the trolls... please.

Anybody?


Sometimes they have to be quiet.
 
2013-02-18 01:32:31 AM

ucfknightryan: um, requiring you to wear your seatbelt is not nanny stateish.


Sure it is. For one thing, a law does not equal compliance with a law. For another, there was nothing stopping people from wearing seat belts before the law was enacted. It was enacted at the behest of the insurance companies in order to reduce medical claims. Passing a law in order to protect the bottom line of the insurance industry is pretty nanny state-ish. Bonus: that's also why we have speed limits.
 
2013-02-18 04:03:05 AM

pxlboy: Farkage: Speaker2Animals: King Something: How is this any different than any other state in America?

Probably not, sadly. The trooper didn't deserve prison, but certainly should have been punished to some extent.

He ABSOLUTELY deserved prison!!!  Jesus f*cking christ!  If anyone else in the country did that they would have the book thrown at them and this is ABSOLUTELY no different.  This is reason #847 why I don't like or respect police.

Yup. If you're a wealthy, famous, politically-connected, or a cop -- the law doesn't apply to you.


When did it ever?
 
2013-02-18 04:05:49 AM

Babwa Wawa: Honest question:  How much pressure does executive leadership put on law enforcement leadership to ensure that situations like this don't get prosecuted in order to minimize civil liabilities?


It appears in this case that the investigation was presented to the DA for filing of charges, but the DA declined. My guess is that the DA recognized that it's very hard to prove criminal charges against on-duty cops. For some reason juries tend to give a wide benefit of the doubt to cops.

In my worthless opinion, police agencies that want to protect themselves from civil liability would aggressively pursue criminal charges. Juries get pissed if they see that something bad went unpunished, and they award even more money to the victim to make up for the perceived injustice.  I'm sure there are police adminstrators that think the filing of criminal charges is an admission of wrongdoing so they avoid it though.
 
2013-02-18 07:18:02 AM

relcec: PunGent: jeffowl: jeffowl:

Unfortunately in many states (can't speak for Florida) damages in lawsuits against the state are statutorily limited, in some cases to as little as one million.  The idea being that the taxpayers weren't at fault.  And I don't think a suit against the trooper personally would be allowed to proceed.

Oh, and when they say the commander was fired, they usually mean transferred to another law enforcement organization after an appropriate cooling off period.

It is actually worse than I thought in Florida...  Title XLV chapter 768.28
"Neither the state nor its agencies or subdivisions shall be liable to pay a claim or a judgment by any one person which exceeds the sum of $200,000 or any claim or judgment, or portions thereof, which, when totaled with all other claims or judgments paid by the state or its agencies or subdivisions arising out of the same incident or occurrence, exceeds the sum of $300,000. However, a judgment or judgments may be claimed and rendered in excess of these amounts and may be settled and paid pursuant to this act up to $200,000 or $300,000, as the case may be; and that portion of the judgment that exceeds these amounts may be reported to the Legislature, but may be paid in part or in whole only by further act of the Legislature. "

So liability is limited to $200k per person or $300K per incident unless the legislature grows a conscience and decides to pay the extra.

And considering a serious case can run you $50k or $100k in investigative costs and expert testimony...not a lot of attorneys are willing to throw that money down without a chance at getting paid.

and its not like the cop has to pay the bill in any event. why would he give two shiats if the city had to cut the hours of dmv workers and janitors to pay a settlement that some how made it through the hoops.


Precisely.
 
2013-02-18 07:21:07 AM

clane: untaken_name:
Those of use for whom English is our first language know that the first letter of each sentence should be capitalized

clane:
So English is my first language what is it of yours? You freakin misspelled a 2 letter word "US"
But please do tell me more about how brilliant you are and how ignorant I am....

GarretSidzaka:
Do you seriously believe that american liberals are communist.  dont get me wrong i hate democrats and republicans very equally, but you seem to be a prime specimen for study

clane:
No I don't believe Liberals are communists I believe Liberals are Socialists.


Like I said.

Troll.

 
2013-02-18 08:12:39 AM

andyfromfl: What you think is irrelevant. Firing him is not enough- it's not up for debate. He caused the death of a person while not executing his duties as has been determined the best way. Jail is enough. You won't be arguing against that further.


How typically Fark.  What you think is irrelevant but what I know is what's important.
 
2013-02-18 08:35:10 AM

ucfknightryan: If you get in a collision it will keep you behind the wheel and thus more able to control where your car goes.


I would think any collision big enough to throw the driver around is going to startle/stun them enough that they won't be controlling anything.
 
2013-02-18 09:15:16 AM

NFA: Spanky McStupid: " Looks like FHP has most police have a license to kill."


Fixed that for ya!



Remember, it's the 98% of bad cops that give the good ones a bad name!
 
2013-02-18 12:47:45 PM
I smell justified lawsuit.
 
2013-02-18 02:33:05 PM

bunner: Could you please explain how his point isn't valid?  Because that is precisely the rhetoric of the second amendment's most vehement supporters.


Pretty much this. We have all these ITGs talking about the only thing keeping the US government becoming North Korea 2: Electric Boogaloo is their ability to buy assault rifles with minimal restrictions and regulations. So, my question is, when are you going to do anything about it? How many more civilians have to die due to state negligence and inability to hold itself (hell, just MEMBERS of the state) accountable? Or will you stand up when the government invades a non-hostile country, like Poland or Iraq?

Let's take the Second Amendment to its ultimate conclusion. The family members, upset that the government justice system has given the government a pass on this negligent homicide, decide to enact the Supreme Court interpretation of the Second Amendment. Specifically, that as citizens they are automatically part of the militia, and decide to take up arms to find justice and to ensure that the people remain free and unafraid of being murdered by the state. The family members go off and kill the officer responsible, the officers who protected him, the police chief, and the DA who chose not to lay vehicular homicide charges. Immediately afterwards, they surrender peacefully and are taken into custody.

When on trial, if they plead not guilty based on the Second Amendment, do you think a jury of their peers will side with them? After all, they were simply seeking justice they were entitled to. The justice they were denied because the state chose to ignore the fatal actions of one of their own. The justice the Founding Fathers apparently intended when they penned the Second Amendment, at least according to the gun-nuts.

---------

Sorry to turn this into a gun thread, but when I hear stories like this, it makes me wonder what DOES constitute appropriate use of the Second Amendment. Perhaps the federal government can look into getting a federal prosecutor involved in laying criminal charges, as the local DA seems too afraid of the local police department to do his job correctly.
 
2013-02-18 05:12:47 PM
Our country's constitution is the only primary construct of governance of it's sort that allows for the people to overthrow the government should it become as bad as the one they overthrew to create it.  Since then, we've elected or given power to people who had a central bank spit out confetti debt notes against the very ground we stand on until we're 16 trillion in hock, had a president who wrote a bill dismantling that bank whacked like a pissant mobster, started more wars than than the third reich, made the SEC moot, and installed Gestapo at airports and wipe it's ass with that very document as far as habeus corpus and most of the bill of rights.  I feel ya daddy-o, but if all that sh*t went through like grease through a goose while we scrambled to grab sketchy IOUs to pay our bills and lived our lives in fear of the very people we hire to serve, protect and represent us, I think the moment has passed.
 
2013-02-18 05:31:52 PM

CruiserTwelve: Babwa Wawa: Honest question:  How much pressure does executive leadership put on law enforcement leadership to ensure that situations like this don't get prosecuted in order to minimize civil liabilities?

It appears in this case that the investigation was presented to the DA for filing of charges, but the DA declined. My guess is that the DA recognized that it's very hard to prove criminal charges against on-duty cops. For some reason juries tend to give a wide benefit of the doubt to cops.

In my worthless opinion, police agencies that want to protect themselves from civil liability would aggressively pursue criminal charges. Juries get pissed if they see that something bad went unpunished, and they award even more money to the victim to make up for the perceived injustice.  I'm sure there are police adminstrators that think the filing of criminal charges is an admission of wrongdoing so they avoid it though.


And yet, there's an orphan wondering why they had to scrape her mommy's brains off of a dashboard and why the person who plowed into them "didn't do anything wrong".

"oh, but people do this, and people want that and civil and criminal and semantical and.. hey, that's the law."

No.

Let me 'splain what the law is.
 
2013-02-18 07:58:58 PM

bunner: And yet, there's an orphan wondering why they had to scrape her mommy's brains off of a dashboard and why the person who plowed into them "didn't do anything wrong".

"oh, but people do this, and people want that and civil and criminal and semantical and.. hey, that's the law."

No.

Let me 'splain what the law is.


Welcome to the real world where the law has nothing to do with justice.
 
2013-02-18 08:15:33 PM

CruiserTwelve: Welcome to the real world where the law has nothing to do with justice.


Welcome to the world you're helping create by not urging your fellow officers to get the two back under the sheets.  Reality as a social construct is a malleable concept.

No, seriously.

It's called progress.

As far as the "Hey, Lord Fauntleroy, welcome to the real world" jazz, I was jaded when I was 9.  It progressed to jaundice and now, I'm just tired of the pissing contest.  The wolf you feed, yo.  The wolf you feed.
 
2013-02-18 08:52:11 PM

CruiserTwelve: bunner: And yet, there's an orphan wondering why they had to scrape her mommy's brains off of a dashboard and why the person who plowed into them "didn't do anything wrong".

"oh, but people do this, and people want that and civil and criminal and semantical and.. hey, that's the law."

No.

Let me 'splain what the law is.

Welcome to the real world where the law has nothing to do with justice.


Thank you for protecting and enforcing the real world every day. Without people like you, things might change, and we couldn't have that, right?
 
2013-02-19 05:49:12 AM

Electrify: bunner: Could you please explain how his point isn't valid?  Because that is precisely the rhetoric of the second amendment's most vehement supporters.

Pretty much this. We have all these ITGs talking about the only thing keeping the US government becoming North Korea 2: Electric Boogaloo is their ability to buy assault rifles with minimal restrictions and regulations. So, my question is, when are you going to do anything about it? How many more civilians have to die due to state negligence and inability to hold itself (hell, just MEMBERS of the state) accountable? Or will you stand up when the government invades a non-hostile country, like Poland or Iraq?

Let's take the Second Amendment to its ultimate conclusion. The family members, upset that the government justice system has given the government a pass on this negligent homicide, decide to enact the Supreme Court interpretation of the Second Amendment. Specifically, that as citizens they are automatically part of the militia, and decide to take up arms to find justice and to ensure that the people remain free and unafraid of being murdered by the state. The family members go off and kill the officer responsible, the officers who protected him, the police chief, and the DA who chose not to lay vehicular homicide charges. Immediately afterwards, they surrender peacefully and are taken into custody.

When on trial, if they plead not guilty based on the Second Amendment, do you think a jury of their peers will side with them? After all, they were simply seeking justice they were entitled to. The justice they were denied because the state chose to ignore the fatal actions of one of their own. The justice the Founding Fathers apparently intended when they penned the Second Amendment, at least according to the gun-nuts.

---------

Sorry to turn this into a gun thread, but when I hear stories like this, it makes me wonder what DOES constitute appropriate use of the Second Amendment. Perhaps the federal government can ...


Wait...let me see if I understand this.  So what you're implying is that because a cop was reckless and killed someone without going to jail, that we should start a full blown revolt against the government of the Second Amendment is useless and outdated?  That's quite a stretch, don't you think???
The Second Amendment exists for reasons more like this: http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-syrians-defend-themselves-191910633.html
 
2013-02-19 03:29:19 PM

bunner: Welcome to the world you're helping create by not urging your fellow officers to get the two back under the sheets.


Yeah, because I'm the chief of all the world's police...
 
2013-02-19 03:45:02 PM

CruiserTwelve: bunner: Welcome to the world you're helping create by not urging your fellow officers to get the two back under the sheets.

Yeah, because I'm the chief of all the world's police...


Inconsequential.  Ostensibly unimportant people can do amazing things when they dedicate themselves to spreading good ideas.  And this world you accept as a sh*thole will start to improve when we stop investing our time and our hopes into the biggest wheels and start betting it on the people with the best ideas.  Malcom X was a junkie and a con who spent a lot of time trying to "pass for white".  He bought into the idea that the way is is was the only game in town.  When he stopped eating at that table, he changed the world.  Happens all the time.  I ain't charging you with a mission, officer.  Just trying to point out the emperor's naked ass.  "Cause I SAID so, motherf*cker" has never really worked out as a basis for useful authority.
 
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