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2013-02-17 12:59:54 PM

dopekitty74: i do however cling to the music of my late teens and early 20's as my favorite stuff though


I actively avoid listening to music I liked in my teens and twenties. I dread the thought of letting my tastes cement. I find it absolutely terrifying.
 
2013-02-17 01:00:57 PM
 
2013-02-17 01:01:20 PM

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.


You're right. The first 50 times I put my fingers under a rocking chair and rocked, it sucked. But now I think it feels great.
 
2013-02-17 01:13:03 PM
I used to hate NPR, now I listen all the time.  Yes even Prairie Home Companion.
 
2013-02-17 01:14:00 PM

12349876: dopekitty74: It's disturbing how whenever i'm exposed to One Direction, I find myself headbobbing or tapping along with it, i do NOT like that shiat, but it's catchy....

This comment reminds me of the other thing you have to remember with music is the cultural/peer pressure that also plays a big role in liking or not liking something for certain people and joining or leaving certain influences could certainly help someone learn to like something.  I'll admit One Direction and Beiber and the like are catchy tunes and have good beats for dancing, but to me, it's bland and unimaginative, the lyrics are basic and juvenile, and there's no emotional impact.


That's pretty much the way I feel about it too. Also, I'm a metalhead going waaaaay back, so it's a pride thing for me too.

/first metal album Twisted Sister - Stay Hungry when I was 11
//have a brother who's 15 yrs older than me, so grew up listening to all sorts of classic rock on the big old floor model stereo with 8-tracks and K-tel mixed LPs and those awesome big headphones of the 70's
 
2013-02-17 01:15:55 PM

t3knomanser: dopekitty74: i do however cling to the music of my late teens and early 20's as my favorite stuff though

I actively avoid listening to music I liked in my teens and twenties. I dread the thought of letting my tastes cement. I find it absolutely terrifying.


The thought of never listening to the Guns n Roses Use Your Illusions albums ever again makes me want to die.
 
2013-02-17 01:22:06 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: How about D. N. Bieber subby? I've recently found out and i'm surprised I haven't heard of Definitely Not Bieber
[cdn.popdust.com image 500x500]


Is he going to buy a monkey and start dying his skin black next?
 
2013-02-17 01:22:06 PM

John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.

You're right. The first 50 times I put my fingers under a rocking chair and rocked, it sucked. But now I think it feels great.


Listening to music and eating spinach don't cause injuries.
 
2013-02-17 01:23:38 PM

t3knomanser: dopekitty74: i do however cling to the music of my late teens and early 20's as my favorite stuff though

I actively avoid listening to music I liked in my teens and twenties. I dread the thought of letting my tastes cement. I find it absolutely terrifying.


Ya know you can listen to your old favorites and still discover new ones...
 
2013-02-17 01:29:21 PM

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.

You're right. The first 50 times I put my fingers under a rocking chair and rocked, it sucked. But now I think it feels great.

Listening to music and eating spinach don't cause injuries.


What injuries? I didn't break or bruise my fingers. It just hurt. Like asparagus, brussel sprouts, parsnips, sweet potatoes, and blue cheese dressing hurt my taste buds. Or hurt the way shiatty music hurts my ears. No 'injuries', just an unpleasant sensation that I choose not to repeat.
 
2013-02-17 01:42:40 PM
Belle and Sebastian, no matter how hard I try to like them, have made my blood boil to listen to since I first heard them, more than a decade ago. On paper they are everything I should love about pop music (originality, play own instruments, well structured and elegantly crafted chord structures), yet there's something in their formula that puts me into a full on rage attack when I listen to them for more than ten minutes.

I've tried so hard to like them, honestly I have. Many cute chicks LOVE B&S, and I have lost out on sex because of the evil that boils up inside me when they're playing. It's not even a quiet dispassionate loathing like I get from most top 40 acts - if I were ever to need to go kill someone, I'd have 'Dear catastrophe waitress' playing loud on repeat for a few hours. Nobody would survive my altered state by that point.

/relaxes to AFX
 
2013-02-17 01:44:52 PM

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.


Here's a better analogy: I didn't like Brussels sprouts (rap) because it was often served to me over-boiled, mushy and tasteless (Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer) but after I had them roasted with bacon (Eminem, Jay-Z), I really like them now.
 
2013-02-17 01:45:40 PM

mjones73: t3knomanser: dopekitty74: i do however cling to the music of my late teens and early 20's as my favorite stuff though

I actively avoid listening to music I liked in my teens and twenties. I dread the thought of letting my tastes cement. I find it absolutely terrifying.

Ya know you can listen to your old favorites and still discover new ones...




Flashback Alternatives
 
2013-02-17 01:46:41 PM

Somacandra: jake_lex: I think this is very true of "avant-garde" music: I mean, the first time I heard some of Schoenberg's twelve-tone stuff, it just sounded like noise to me. Then I learned a little music theory, and at least I knew what it was trying to do.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

Okay...here is the most difficult stuff I've ever learned to appreciate (on an intellectual level only).

Have at it.


I tried. I really did. But I am almost over that headache, so...

i45.tinypic.com
Tapiola, a tone poem by Jean Sibelius, isn't quite as challenging as, um, whatever drug-induced noise/music Yoko Ono was attempting there, but it still takes some getting used to. Worth it, though.
 
2013-02-17 01:50:51 PM

mjones73: Ya know you can listen to your old favorites and still discover new ones...


But I'd still like the old things. That would be sad. I don't want to like the same things I used to like. I hope, in ten years, I don't like the things I like now.
 
2013-02-17 01:52:53 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: but after I had them roasted with bacon


I approve of this analogy. Tasty, tasty analogy.
 
2013-02-17 01:54:59 PM

12349876: dopekitty74: It's disturbing how whenever i'm exposed to One Direction, I find myself headbobbing or tapping along with it, i do NOT like that shiat, but it's catchy....

This comment reminds me of the other thing you have to remember with music is the cultural/peer pressure that also plays a big role in liking or not liking something for certain people and joining or leaving certain influences could certainly help someone learn to like something.  I'll admit One Direction and Beiber and the like are catchy tunes and have good beats for dancing, but to me, it's bland and unimaginative, the lyrics are basic and juvenile, and there's no emotional impact.


I think that's the biggest issue with me. I have always viewed music as a way to communicate something and honestly that stuff just doesn't communicate anything. The music itself is bland with no emotional impact and the lyrics are just vague generalities with no real direction or anything meaningful to say. I'm not saying that it needs to be serious or come right out and state what the artist is trying to do, not at all. Some of the best music out there is open to interpretation and inspires people in different ways. But with Beiber and One Direction there just...isn't anything there. Its not just them, that's generally my complaint about most "popular" music be it rap, country, rock, etc. I can't stand empty crap that was just churned out so the artist could get a few more royalty checks. I need a connection to enjoy the music. Of course I could just be weird.
 
2013-02-17 01:55:14 PM

John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.

You're right. The first 50 times I put my fingers under a rocking chair and rocked, it sucked. But now I think it feels great.

Listening to music and eating spinach don't cause injuries.

What injuries? I didn't break or bruise my fingers. It just hurt. Like asparagus, brussel sprouts, parsnips, sweet potatoes, and blue cheese dressing hurt my taste buds. Or hurt the way shiatty music hurts my ears. No 'injuries', just an unpleasant sensation that I choose not to repeat.


Listen, if you wanna live the rest of your life eating chicken nuggets and pizza, be my guest. Some things take time to appreciate.

You'll never learn to play guitar very well.
 
2013-02-17 02:09:10 PM

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.


This.

The genre of music I listen to now turned my stomach 20 years ago. These days, the music I used to listen to 20 years ago makes me sick. Continuing with the food analogy, I used to hate Brussels sprouts. I love them now. Same goes for mustard. I used to hate it, now I'm ok with it. I'm still trying to get over spinach and avocado, but every couple of years, I give it a fresh try.
 
2013-02-17 02:09:15 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.

Here's a better analogy: I didn't like Brussels sprouts (rap) because it was often served to me over-boiled, mushy and tasteless (Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer) but after I had them roasted with bacon (Eminem, Jay-Z), I really like them now.


Fair argument. I will cave in a little (a VERY little) on the 'acquired taste' argument. My Mom used to cook the hell out of liver. Overdone, dried-out gritty shoe leather. Now that I know how to properly cook it, I love it. So there is, in fact, the rare exception to the rule. In my case, however, it only applies to the occasional food item. Music/books/movies? Nope.
 
2013-02-17 02:09:33 PM

nubzers: But with Beiber and One Direction there just...isn't anything there.


It connects well enough with the unsophisticated teenage girls who are just as heavily influenced by the eye candy as the musical content.
 
2013-02-17 02:23:51 PM
Music is like a car, if it gets you were you want - it's good. Everything else is small dick wagging. Hating Bieber is like hating bus driver because he doesn't dress and drive like Schumacher
/I don't like X/don't consider Y a genre. Am I not clever?
 
2013-02-17 02:54:12 PM

Somacandra: jake_lex: I think this is very true of "avant-garde" music: I mean, the first time I heard some of Schoenberg's twelve-tone stuff, it just sounded like noise to me. Then I learned a little music theory, and at least I knew what it was trying to do.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

Okay...here is the most difficult stuff I've ever learned to appreciate (on an intellectual level only).

Have at it.

I never got into Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music or Pat Metheny's Zero Tolerance for Silence. Couldn' do it.


That's funny right there.

Also, this man is not impressed.

tisue.net
 
2013-02-17 02:56:34 PM
All music produced after U2's Joshua Tree is shiat. Utter shiat. End of discussion.
 
2013-02-17 03:00:46 PM
The more I hear modern pop country the more I like the outlaws
 
2013-02-17 03:00:54 PM

Frankenstorm: I grew up with Michael Jackson thrown in my face. I still don't like his music. Even the songs of his I kind of like I really don't like.


Same here. His music just hasn't aged that well to me. I find Prince's music of the 80s and 90s much more appealing. It just speaks to me in a way that MJ never did. Nothing MJ ever did comes close to the perfect beauty of Purple Rain.
 
2013-02-17 03:03:09 PM
Newsflash: Your tastes change over time and the reasons are many.
__________________________

Because critics and fans made such a big deal about them, I've tried and tried again to get into Converge but just can't.
And I usually dig Mathcore.
 
2013-02-17 03:11:59 PM

jaylectricity: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

There's a thing called "acquired taste" that shoots all kinds of holes in your theory. I didn't like spinach the first 50 times I tried it but now I think it's delicious.


Yes, but some people are more willing/able to give things a second chance.  To put in another way, "acquired taste-ability" is a trait some people have more than others.  Then there's xenophilia, which I would argue isn't exactly the same thing but is related.

/Not to be confused with the Phil Foglio comic XXXenophile.  I'll let you go image-search that on your own time.
 
2013-02-17 03:13:12 PM

strangeluck: JasonOfOrillia: I used to hate country music but then my girlfriend left me and she took the dog.

Did she scratch her name into your car and defile your tractor to?


No but she did spell "Fark U" in the snow in front of the house in urine.  She did it standing up.

/Never made love with the lights on.
 
2013-02-17 03:14:33 PM

JasonOfOrillia: I used to hate country music but then my girlfriend left me and she took the dog.


Try playing some songs backwards.
 
2013-02-17 03:15:25 PM
There is a lot of music that I love on a personal level but it is very annoying when trying to listen to it in a social setting. I love jazz, I play jazz piano, I listen to jazz on my own and make sounds like "unh" or "yeah" at the appropriate times of musical release. Sometimes I even laugh. I get it. But when listening to it with people who don't appreciate jazz, the tension drives me nuts because I know the other listeners rarely "get" those moments of release that are so necessary to the genre and the effect it has on them really chaps at me. High soul singers, same deal (I'm looking at you Lenny Williams and James Brown).

I'm also very into 80's synthpop and there's plenty that is well-known and saccharine enough that it sits well in a social setting, but some of it that I love sounds dated and cheesy and makes younger listeners uncomfortable and, hence, me too.

Personally, I try to like Bob Dylan, but there is very little of his catalog that I can get into. Same goes for a lot of older folk singers, actually.

Also, metal I cannot get into. Sometimes a little is okay - I like System of a Down because there is space and dynamics  in their music, but the really hard stuff is just guitar sweep-pick or 8-string distorted wankery to me.
 
2013-02-17 03:16:54 PM

chewd: ...or as Douglas Adams put it...

"1) everything that's already in the world when you're born is just normal;
2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it;
3) anything that gets invented after you're thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until it's been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.
Apply this list to movies, rock music, word processors and mobile phones to work out how old you are."


That's LARGELY true, but it's more true for some people than others.  Some people are more xenophilic than others.
 
2013-02-17 03:21:26 PM

jaylectricity: And how about the reverse? I used to love groups like Jodeci and Boyz II Men, but now I can't stand that kind of group, nor can I really listen to the stuff they made back when I liked that kind of music.


My taste in music hasn't changed much (to the best of my ability to remember what I used to like), but I don't like anime nearly as much as I used to.  I don't DISlike it, but I don't go out of my way to watch it anymore.

Come to think of it, I used to be the world's biggest fan of The Police and Sting, and I don't go much out of my way to listen to that music anymore.  I still do enjoy listening to it occasionally, but ... I guess my tastes have changed some.
 
2013-02-17 03:31:40 PM

t3knomanser: I've been sucked into the dark hole of Musique Concrete.  I'm starting to love this shiat. I've got hours and hours of it, and since Amazon still does per-track pricing, I can buy three albums for five dollars. This sort of music gets me both so relaxed and focused.


If we're just going for the "freaky music" category, I defy you to top Chiasm's song Disorder (bonus points for using Dune quotes).
 
2013-02-17 03:38:34 PM

Smeggy Smurf: The more I hear modern pop country the more I like the outlaws


Which ones? These?

 lh4.ggpht.com

Or these?

www.knickknackrecords.com

The latter is a good album. The former is AWESOME.
 
2013-02-17 04:37:24 PM
I work as a piano player (accompanist) and sometimes write stuff and find that, generally speaking, there's only a few genres of music where nobody has yet found a way to make something good within it.  Also, there's a wide variety of ways in which music is, for lack of a better word, used: to support some other medium, such as in film, opera, theater, etc., to evoke another time and/or place, to actively rewire our brains, to excite, to depress, to help us mate with the opposite (or same, as the case may be) sex, to dance, to protest, to mock, to intentionally misbehave or annoy those outside a given social circle or (under)class, to explain the meaning of life, the universe and everything, and so forth and so on.  In general I find that the simplest way to "appreciate" a given genre is to appreciate the motivation behind it.

/except Michael Bolton, who of course sucks
//Beiber and other synthesized top 40 things aren't so bad if you massively slow down the playback (to like 1% or so)
 
2013-02-17 05:11:00 PM
Sorry Hipsters, but saying it's a "Post Hip Hop Metal Quadraphonic New Age Revival" band won't get me to listen to something that sounds like an elephant raping a cat!

/seriously though, I do have a personal rule that "Even if I don't like the band, if I like the song, than I like the song."
//it has to be LISTENABLE though!
///that rule will backfire on me one day if I find a boy band song I like!
 
2013-02-17 05:20:44 PM

Mad_Radhu: Frankenstorm: I grew up with Michael Jackson thrown in my face. I still don't like his music. Even the songs of his I kind of like I really don't like.

Same here. His music just hasn't aged that well to me. I find Prince's music of the 80s and 90s much more appealing. It just speaks to me in a way that MJ never did. Nothing MJ ever did comes close to the perfect beauty of Purple Rain.


I didn't always love Prince, but I always appreciated his music. He's put out some great music.
 
2013-02-17 05:29:16 PM

Canton: Somacandra: jake_lex: I think this is very true of "avant-garde" music: I mean, the first time I heard some of Schoenberg's twelve-tone stuff, it just sounded like noise to me. Then I learned a little music theory, and at least I knew what it was trying to do.

SNIP

I tried. I really did. But I am almost over that headache, so...

[i45.tinypic.com image 519x639]
Tapiola, a tone poem by Jean Sibelius, isn't quite as challenging as, um, whatever drug-induced noise/music Yoko Ono was attempting there, but it still takes some getting used to. Worth it, though.


I may be too late but, thank you for the link it has wiped out all the other noises posted here.
 
2013-02-17 06:07:22 PM

powerful katrinka: Canton: Somacandra: jake_lex: I think this is very true of "avant-garde" music: I mean, the first time I heard some of Schoenberg's twelve-tone stuff, it just sounded like noise to me. Then I learned a little music theory, and at least I knew what it was trying to do.

SNIP

I tried. I really did. But I am almost over that headache, so...

[i45.tinypic.com image 519x639]
Tapiola, a tone poem by Jean Sibelius, isn't quite as challenging as, um, whatever drug-induced noise/music Yoko Ono was attempting there, but it still takes some getting used to. Worth it, though.

I may be too late but, thank you for the link it has wiped out all the other noises posted here.


You're quite welcome!

Such is the power of Jean Sibelius...
 
2013-02-17 06:16:00 PM

ciberido: If we're just going for the "freaky music" category,


That's not bad, or anything, but it still has a beat and notes. I certainly wouldn't call that "freaky", it's basic darkwave/downtempo EBM. Is downtempo EBM a thing? It should be.
 
2013-02-17 07:41:32 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: John Buck 41: Seems like a silly question. This may be an apples/oranges angle (actually music/food) but if I eat something that doesn't taste good, why try it again? I know what I like/don't like. Same for a shiatty movie or poorly written book. Why watch/read it again?

It's the basic "acquired taste" that everyone talks about. I'm an avid coffee drinker, but I'll be honest I didn't like the taste of coffee when I started drinking it in high school - I just wanted to look cool. Same story with whiskey - now I enjoy it, but it tasted awful my first time ever.

Maybe it's possible, but I'm not willing to put in the time with Jazz and Country music to find out.

/Metal and Hardcore on the other hand...mmm. I've always liked that sound.


Coffee and whiskey... two things that I love but like most people, the first taste of each was disgusting. I would be surprised if anyone enjoyed their first taste of coffee or whiskey, although perhaps at a young age almost nobody can appreciate them, but later in life they become more palatable for some physiological reason.
 
2013-02-17 07:47:37 PM

John Buck 41: Smeggy Smurf: The more I hear modern pop country the more I like the outlaws

Which ones? These?

 [lh4.ggpht.com image 504x512]

Or these?

[www.knickknackrecords.com image 500x500]

The latter is a good album. The former is AWESOME.


the latter along with Jackson Taylor, Shooter Jennings, Hank III, Kyle Park and so forth
 
2013-02-17 08:16:21 PM

t3knomanser: ciberido: If we're just going for the "freaky music" category,

That's not bad, or anything, but it still has a beat and notes. I certainly wouldn't call that "freaky", it's basic darkwave/downtempo EBM. Is downtempo EBM a thing? It should be.


Fine, fine, time to break out the Tuvan throat singing, I see.
 
2013-02-17 09:20:18 PM
And yet, they still play farking chamber music of all things.
 
2013-02-17 09:24:31 PM

Somacandra: jake_lex: I think this is very true of "avant-garde" music: I mean, the first time I heard some of Schoenberg's twelve-tone stuff, it just sounded like noise to me. Then I learned a little music theory, and at least I knew what it was trying to do.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

Okay...here is the most difficult stuff I've ever learned to appreciate (on an intellectual level only).

Have at it.

I never got into Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music or Pat Metheny's Zero Tolerance for Silence. Couldn' do it.


Have you tried smoking cat shiat dipped in Drano?

I did, the shiat still didn''t make sense.
 
2013-02-17 09:28:36 PM
media.syracuse.com

Nope.
 
2013-02-17 09:41:11 PM
So far, no, because every time I turn on NPR they seem to be doing a 18-minute piece on some Namibian atonal African jazz fusion clarinet rapper or like such as.
 
2013-02-17 09:43:39 PM

Ennuipoet: I guess it is possible, I hated Pop music in the 80's but now I enjoy it for the reasons I hated it then, the cheesy feel good vibe.  Inversely, I can barely tolerate much of the Heavy Metal music I listened to in my youth, most of it was shiate.  But, I've never been what anyone would consider a musical connoisseur.


I hear ya, I'm the same way.  And I think it is because we are different people with different brains now than we were then.  Heavy metal is perfect for hormone-insane angry teens.  Not so much for midlife 40-somethings looking for a jam while doing the dishes.
 
2013-02-17 09:57:38 PM

JasonOfOrillia: I used to hate country music but then my girlfriend left me and she took the dog.


You forgot to mention anything at all about mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or getting drunk.
 
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