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2013-02-17 09:57:28 AM
This is news?

I thought this was already known for years
 
2013-02-17 10:25:23 AM
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
2013-02-17 10:41:37 AM

cman: This is news?

I thought this was already known for years


i'm pretty sure i read a book about it maybe 25 years ago. so, it's news, but not the new kind of news.
 
2013-02-17 11:24:44 AM
This news is so old that it's the reason for the line quoted in the headline.

What's next?  Breaking story:  Jupiter is REALLY FREAKIN BIG?
 
2013-02-17 11:24:49 AM
So, Europa is our solar systems version of the big red button labeled "DO NOT PUSH"?
 
2013-02-17 11:25:31 AM
It's news because now we actually have to technology to find out if it's true.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:04 AM
Does Europa have oil?
 
2013-02-17 11:33:36 AM

Deacon Blue: So, Europa is our solar systems version of the big red button labeled "DO NOT PUSH"?


Or maybe a forbidden fruit?
 
2013-02-17 11:36:28 AM
For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..
 
2013-02-17 11:36:38 AM
I thought it was Enceladus orbiting around Saturn that was the likeliest place.
 
2013-02-17 11:36:45 AM
Something from that series turned out to be vaguely correct, like maybe the subsurface composition of Europa. After the discovery the NASA team called him to joke with him about it.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:17 AM

texdent: Does Europa have oil?


No, but the gas planets have methane.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:21 AM

texdent: Does Europa have oil?


No but, it does have a montain that is one giant dimond.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:37 AM
You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:57 AM

Ennuipoet: ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn


What you said ....
 
2013-02-17 11:39:02 AM
Especially if you're Taikonaut
 
2013-02-17 11:40:51 AM

Mister Peejay: texdent: Does Europa have oil?

No, but the gas planets have methane.


I could see humans putting and orbitail refineries around Neptune.
A last stp gas station before you leave the system as it where.
 
2013-02-17 11:42:03 AM

Evil Mackerel: Mister Peejay: texdent: Does Europa have oil?

No, but the gas planets have methane.

I could see humans putting and orbitail refineries around Neptune.
A last stp gas station before you leave the system as it where.


Then what would Uranus have?
 
2013-02-17 11:42:12 AM

Ennuipoet: ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn


That was Pluto.
 
2013-02-17 11:43:10 AM
JPL and the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland developed a new exploration project named Clipper with a total coast of two billion dollars minus the launch.

What a Hopkins coast Clipper minus the launch might look like
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-17 11:47:03 AM
www.timjarvis.com
/approves
 
2013-02-17 11:47:30 AM
We should go check it out...

www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
 
2013-02-17 11:50:00 AM

Brick-House: We should go check it out...

[www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 800x533]


Agreed!
 
2013-02-17 11:51:37 AM

texdent: Evil Mackerel: Mister Peejay: texdent: Does Europa have oil?

No, but the gas planets have methane.

I could see humans putting and orbitail refineries around Neptune.
A last stp gas station before you leave the system as it where.

Then what would Uranus have?


Uthane.
 
2013-02-17 11:51:50 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.


me too
 
2013-02-17 11:54:28 AM

TheOther: texdent: Evil Mackerel: Mister Peejay: texdent: Does Europa have oil?

No, but the gas planets have methane.

I could see humans putting and orbitail refineries around Neptune.
A last stp gas station before you leave the system as it where.

Then what would Uranus have?

Uthane.


Have you posted in the Fart Thread yet?
 
2013-02-17 11:54:59 AM

texdent: Does Europa have oil?


That's really why we sent Cassini to Titan...
 
2013-02-17 11:55:11 AM

texdent: Does Europa have oil?


No, it's where they find Spock.
 
2013-02-17 11:55:47 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.


I liked it, too.

Of course, I was just a little kid who was pretty easy to please.
 
2013-02-17 11:56:59 AM
Earlier proposed mission: "An orbiter, lander, and thermal ice-melting probe, with detachable ROV minisub, to burrow thru the ice and check out the ocean under the ice. Because we're farking AMERICA, and that's how AMERICANS do Farking SPACE exploration."

Stripped-down mission: "Well, you can look at it from a distance every time you swing around the primary."

Now down to:

"Hey, ESA, can we hitch a ride for one of our instruments? Promise we won't take up too much room? Pretty-please?"

I has a sad. farking Congress and farking military budgets for two wars, plus farking tax breaks for the rich.
 
2013-02-17 11:57:56 AM

Evil Mackerel: Brick-House: We should go check it out...

[www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 800x533]

Agreed!


I'll chip in a few bucks, but I don't want a fly-by mission.  I want the plan for a Europa lander and drill.
 
2013-02-17 11:58:50 AM

eraser8: White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.

I liked it, too.

Of course, I was just a little kid who was pretty easy to please.


Hell, I caught it again at age 39 and it holds up pretty well.  Nice group of actors, including Helen Mirren who I didn;t even remember was in it.
 
2013-02-17 11:59:17 AM
Trashy: For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..

This guy?


wodumedia.com
 
2013-02-17 11:59:20 AM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.


It was actually a very, very good movie.

The reason people hate it is because it's a completely different movie from the first one, but honestly, I end up watching 2010 more often than I watch 2001 simply because while it's more watchable.  That doesn't mean it's necessarily *BETTER*, just more watchable.
 
2013-02-17 11:59:52 AM
I've saod it before and I'll say it again.

If I ever get a spaceship, the very first place I will go is Europa.

Once there I will stomp around randomly, grabbing my crotch, and doing a punk version of "Climb Every Mountain."

So there.
 
2013-02-17 12:00:26 PM

kyleaugustus: Evil Mackerel: Brick-House: We should go check it out...

[www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 800x533]

Agreed!

I'll chip in a few bucks, but I don't want a fly-by mission.  I want the plan for a Europa lander and drill.


Land untouched by man...I see where your going.
 
2013-02-17 12:02:35 PM
It might be full of Ramans.
 
2013-02-17 12:03:48 PM

kyleaugustus: Evil Mackerel: Brick-House: We should go check it out...

[www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 800x533]

Agreed!

I'll chip in a few bucks, but I don't want a fly-by mission.  I want the plan for a Europa lander and drill.


You want to drill Europa?  I heard she's into the whole bestiality thing, though.
 
2013-02-17 12:04:31 PM

Full Blown Jimbo: It might be full of Ramans.


Touched by his noodly appendage?
 
2013-02-17 12:12:08 PM
Better send in the Space Marines first, and be prepared to nuke it from orbit.

Just sayin
 
2013-02-17 12:14:50 PM
2061 > 2010 > 2001
 
2013-02-17 12:16:13 PM
Nice, a little ACC shoutout. Looks like I have a dvd to add to Netflix.
 
2013-02-17 12:18:46 PM
Explore Europa? Nah, we just had a comet event. Better wait to bring your stability up a bit.
 
2013-02-17 12:19:49 PM

cman: This is news?

I thought this was already known for years


yeah, headline sucks, the news is a new exploration project


At the request of NASA, a proposed mission to explore Europa was revised to significantly reduce the cost, the scientist told the media on the sidelines of an annual conference of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) underway here.

As a result of this review, the JPL and the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland developed a new exploration project named Clipper with a total coast of two billion dollars minus the launch.

But NASA already announced at the end of 2012 that there will be no funds for the Clipper mission in the current atmosphere of budgetary cuts, he said
.

The headline might have been

"US too cheap to search for life on Europa"

but who would have green-lit that? :-)
 
2013-02-17 12:20:08 PM
We sent a probe there but this is all we got back
digitalpolyphony.webs.com

It was like 25 minutes of this shiat.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:32 PM

Any Pie Left: Earlier proposed mission: "An orbiter, lander, and thermal ice-melting probe, with detachable ROV minisub, to burrow thru the ice and check out the ocean under the ice. Because we're farking AMERICA, and that's how AMERICANS do Farking SPACE exploration."

Stripped-down mission: "Well, you can look at it from a distance every time you swing around the primary."

Now down to:

"Hey, ESA, can we hitch a ride for one of our instruments? Promise we won't take up too much room? Pretty-please?"

I has a sad. farking Congress and farking military budgets for two wars, plus farking tax breaks for the rich.


-1/10
 
2013-02-17 12:24:14 PM

MythDragon: We sent a probe there but this is all we got back
[digitalpolyphony.webs.com image 472x288]

It was like 25 minutes of this shiat.


Psychedelic vagina.
 
2013-02-17 12:26:28 PM

TehBoognish: [www.timjarvis.com image 655x820]


i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-17 12:45:07 PM

JosephFinn: eraser8: White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.

I liked it, too.

Of course, I was just a little kid who was pretty easy to please.

Hell, I caught it again at age 39 and it holds up pretty well.  Nice group of actors, including Helen Mirren who I didn;t even remember was in it.


I caught it again last year at 31.  I think the actors did as best they could with the writing, which still was good to me.  It definitely holds up.  I wish they stuck to the book and landed though.  They did manage to create some good suspense with the movie version though.  I was scared.
 
2013-02-17 12:45:41 PM
www.france24.com
Look! Cities and roads on Europa!
 
2013-02-17 12:47:56 PM
Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
 
2013-02-17 12:54:22 PM
Orbiters are nice and all, but you wont learn all that much, got to have plans for a lander and melt down through that ice to find life, of course if its 100 miles thick good luck with that.
 
2013-02-17 12:56:10 PM
There are so many nerd billionaires, kinda surprised more of this stuff isn't privately funded.  It should be publicly funded out the ass of course, but since it's not, the rich nerds should step up.
 
2013-02-17 01:26:55 PM

texdent: Does Europa have oil?


We have reason to believe that Europa may already be developing weapons of mass destruction......
 
2013-02-17 01:30:47 PM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: 2061 > 2010 > 2001


3001 > 2061 > 2010
 
2013-02-17 01:32:25 PM

eraser8: White_Scarf_Syndrome: You know what? I LIKED that movie.  And the book was great too.

I liked it, too.

Of course, I was just a little kid who was pretty easy to please.


You would have made Mr. Clarke very happy, being a little kid and all.
 
2013-02-17 01:34:41 PM
But I HAVE to land there! Otherwise I can't fix the Utwig device and speed up the Chmmr production to defeat the Sa-Matra!
 
2013-02-17 01:34:49 PM

Evil Mackerel: Ennuipoet: ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

That was Pluto.


From what I've read, Cthulhu stopped on Saturn before coming to Earth.
 
2013-02-17 01:36:58 PM

Trashy: For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..


In other words, for those who didn't understand what I understood so easily, go make yourselves smarter.

Did that capture your message?
 
2013-02-17 01:42:08 PM

eyeq360: Evil Mackerel: Ennuipoet: ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

That was Pluto.

From what I've read, Cthulhu stopped on Saturn before coming to Earth.


Evil Mackerel: PlutoYuggoth

FTFY.
 
2013-02-17 01:56:02 PM
 
2013-02-17 02:13:34 PM

dready zim: [www.france24.com image 245x190]
Look! Cities and roads on Europa!


What?  No grassy knoll?
 
2013-02-17 02:16:13 PM

MemeSlave: Any Pie Left: Earlier proposed mission: "An orbiter, lander, and thermal ice-melting probe, with detachable ROV minisub, to burrow thru the ice and check out the ocean under the ice. Because we're farking AMERICA, and that's how AMERICANS do Farking SPACE exploration."

Stripped-down mission: "Well, you can look at it from a distance every time you swing around the primary."

Now down to:

"Hey, ESA, can we hitch a ride for one of our instruments? Promise we won't take up too much room? Pretty-please?"

I has a sad. farking Congress and farking military budgets for two wars, plus farking tax breaks for the rich.

-1/10


"I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes"

"Keep firing, assholes!"
 
2013-02-17 02:26:59 PM
2065 wasn't as good but it explained a whole lot.
Heywood's deduction of the life there being inedible was pretty funny.
 
2013-02-17 02:31:22 PM
Zeus:  All these girls are yours, except Europa.  Attempt no glanding there.
 
2013-02-17 02:46:00 PM

Evil Mackerel: Brick-House: We should go check it out...

[www.keithmcneill.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk image 800x533]

Agreed!


I'm sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.
 
2013-02-17 02:48:33 PM

Full Blown Jimbo: It might be full of Ramans.


Perhaps we should rendezvous, just to see.
 
2013-02-17 02:57:11 PM
dittybopper:

You want to drill Europa?  I heard she's into the whole bestiality thing, though.
 

Europa may seem cold and hostile on the outside, but she's all wet where it counts.
 
2013-02-17 03:02:15 PM
Space exploration, now that it's standardized, should be in the hands of private enterprise, not government, with its budget of convenience. It's not because business doesn't want to pick-up the launch costs. It's the same reason business isn't doing the letter-carrying, and Washington state's ferries are state-run....there's no money in it.
 
2013-02-17 03:25:43 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
I'd land on it like a white bull in a china shop.
 
2013-02-17 04:02:23 PM
Anyone else read the Greenberg account of the interpretation of the Europa pictures?
 
2013-02-17 04:09:33 PM
Arthur C. Clarke!  Still one of my favorite authors.

Oh yeah and the actual space/science stuff is cool too!
 
2013-02-17 04:24:30 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 04:42:31 PM
Almost 75 posts and not even one Thomas Dolby reference?

FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2013-02-17 04:48:26 PM

Trashy: For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..


The funny part is that the movie showed a swamp on Europa. It has so much water that visible land would be impossible.
 
2013-02-17 05:18:08 PM

jigger: Trashy: For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..

The funny part is that the movie showed a swamp on Europa. It has so much water that visible land would be impossible.


Not after the heat from Jupiter turning all solar evaporates a large part of it:

upload.wikimedia.org

Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.
 
2013-02-17 05:46:51 PM

Modified Cornstarch: 2065 wasn't as good but it explained a whole lot.
Heywood's deduction of the life there being inedible was pretty funny.


I'm trying to remember (and assuming you meant 2061) but all I'm drawing is that the Europa ecosystem was sulfur-based instead of carbon-based like ours, and that they were hiding from the ship's exhaust plume because it contained oxygen, which would have been poisonous to them.

And that drinking comet-sourced water would give you a serious case of the squirts.

/the books were interesting, but the characters had no character
 
2013-02-17 05:50:08 PM
dittybopper:
Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.

If you go by canon, Lucifer burns out in far less than a million years.
 
2013-02-17 06:02:09 PM
In other timely news, Voyager is still about to leave the Solar System.
 
2013-02-17 08:41:25 PM

dittybopper: jigger: Trashy: For those confused about the title Read more or watch a horrible Roy Scheider movie..

The funny part is that the movie showed a swamp on Europa. It has so much water that visible land would be impossible.

Not after the heat from Jupiter turning all solar evaporates a large part of it:



Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.


Yeah, some of my college friends were working on a proposal for a Europan ocean probe. It involved powering a hot tethered probe that would have to melt through a few km of surface ice to reach the highly pressurized liquid ocean down below, where they might be able to detect some signs of organic matter perhaps heated by some geothermal activity far below. Then relaying that via the tether to a communications unit on the icy surface.

I don't think they had a lot of success with the theoretical power they'd need to generate to keep the thing descending with the low temperatures and high pressures involved.
 
2013-02-17 09:00:10 PM

Mister Peejay: dittybopper:
Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.

If you go by canon, Lucifer burns out in far less than a million years.


The Epilogue of 2010 (20,001) describes intelligent Europans, and their primitive society.

In 3001, which apparently is a separate continuity from the other books (wtf?), Lucifer burns out, the monoliths self-destruct, and humans land on Europa and make contact with the natives.
 
2013-02-17 09:36:03 PM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: 2061 > 2010 > 2001


It's like I don't even know who you are anymore.
 
2013-02-17 09:36:18 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-18 03:11:09 AM
what right did the monolith people have to kill off the indigenous life forms of Jupiter?
what right did the monolith people have to tell earthlings to fk off?
what right did the monolith people have to contemplate killing earthlings?

or was it all just a batman gambit to ensure that humans were at a level they felt were ready enough to make contact with the europans?

/which still doesn't forgive the genocide of the jovians
 
2013-02-18 04:05:33 AM

Evil Mackerel: texdent: Does Europa have oil?

No but, it does have a montain that is one giant dimond.


Well, it will in the future. In 2010, after Jupiter explodes.
 
2013-02-18 06:30:06 AM

Mister Peejay: dittybopper:
Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.

If you go by canon, Lucifer burns out in far less than a million years.


Did somebody mention cannon?  I've got a cannon:

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-18 06:31:47 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: /which still doesn't forgive the genocide of the jovians


At least they were happy when they died.
 
2013-02-18 09:05:46 AM
The fact that Drew green-lighted this story means I'm even more confused as to his selection process.
 
2013-02-18 12:48:03 PM

Parthenogenetic: Mister Peejay: dittybopper:
Don't forget, that swamp is likely millions of years in the future.

If you go by canon, Lucifer burns out in far less than a million years.

The Epilogue of 2010 (20,001) describes intelligent Europans, and their primitive society.

In 3001, which apparently is a separate continuity from the other books (wtf?), Lucifer burns out, the monoliths self-destruct, and humans land on Europa and make contact with the natives.


From what I've heard each book in the series is actually a separate continuity from the others in which events similar to those of the previous books took place but with whatever slight differences are necessary to make the current book work.
 
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