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(BBC)   "I think the impact of decriminalising, of regulating [class A drugs], of taking this activity out of the hands of organised crime, is the way to improve our society right now"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 154
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2013-02-17 12:47:33 PM

bifford: Organized crime will not suffer one bit due to legalisation.  They'll just move on to other things.

Legalizing drugs will simply free up much need taxpayer cash that is going to waste.


Is there really billions of dollars in those other things?  If so, why aren't they doing it now alongside their drug operations?

It's absurd and delusional to think that cutting of billions of dollars in revenue will not have any effect on organized crime.
 
2013-02-17 12:52:30 PM

cman: I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


Because it's all about what you can score. Who cares about the lives ruined by prison, the thefts from innocents to pay for the drugs, drug gang warfare, etc.

WTF Indeed: This also opens vast new opportunities for Discovery Channel shows as there will be tens of millions of dollars to be made in the black market sale of untaxed drugs.


Isn't hat the way it is right now?
 
2013-02-17 12:54:30 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.


Yeah, get back to us when a guy shoots up some heroin in an elementary school and his overdose takes 20 innocent children out with him.

That's a farking retarded analogy and you know it.  Absolute scum of the earth.
 
2013-02-17 01:01:14 PM

Savage Baggage Master: WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.

Yeah, get back to us when a guy shoots up some heroin in an elementary school and his overdose takes 20 innocent children out with him.

That's a farking retarded analogy and you know it.  Absolute scum of the earth.


Real conservatives want the government to collect your bodily fluids and then house, care for, and feed you for various non-approved components thereof.  Got it.
 
2013-02-17 01:04:34 PM
Organized crime only exists because drugs are illegal.  We've legalized gambling pretty much everywhere, so book makers and numbers rackets don't produce enough for the 'mob'  Usury laws are toothless, so payday lenders have edged out loan sharking.  Between militarizing the police and kicking out the most corrupt ones we've gotten rid of protection rackets.

There's no traditional mob income left besides drugs.  If it were legalized, all they would have left is counterfeit goods, and the Chinese will fix the glitch on that problem soon enough.
 
2013-02-17 01:21:14 PM
Meh, there are too many gov agencies who's budgets are threatened by the legalization of drugs, from your local popo and DAs to the DEA and customs and the legal system.  While I never thought I'd see pot in any legal form, I'll be equally amazed if most drugs were legalized because of such a government resistance from the thought of downsizing agencies and forces.
 
2013-02-17 01:23:08 PM

basemetal: Meh, there are too many gov agencies who's budgets are threatened by the legalization of drugs, from your local popo and DAs to the DEA and customs and the legal system.  While I never thought I'd see pot in any legal form, I'll be equally amazed if most drugs were legalized because of such a government resistance from the thought of downsizing agencies and forces.


We could make a bargain, we get drugs, and they keep the money to fight real crime
 
2013-02-17 01:26:57 PM

Savage Baggage Master: WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.

Yeah, get back to us when a guy shoots up some heroin in an elementary school and his overdose takes 20 innocent children out with him.

That's a farking retarded analogy and you know it.  Absolute scum of the earth.


That dumbass guns/drugs analogy works only to the extent a gun owner uses it on himself. Once that becomes the norm, the analogy will have done traction.

Until then, people *really* need to quite quoting that dumb piece of monkey-shiat asshole.
 
2013-02-17 01:28:28 PM

cman: The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.


Legalize all the petty stuff that is profitable for organized crime and focus law enforcement on what's left, and I doubt organized crime has a sustainable business.
 
2013-02-17 01:39:55 PM

tuffsnake: "Honey I'm going to CVS do you need anything from there?"
"Uh, oh actually yeah can you refill on my herion

oxycodone prescription? Here's the bottle it still has two refills on it"
"Sure thing, hon"
"Thanks sweetie"


See the difference?

No?

That's because there isn't one.
 
2013-02-17 01:43:38 PM

dready zim: Doing something is better than doing nothing.




Ah blood-letting.
 
2013-02-17 01:50:31 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: tuffsnake: "Honey I'm going to CVS do you need anything from there?"
"Uh, oh actually yeah can you refill on my herion oxycodone prescription? Here's the bottle it still has two refills on it"
"Sure thing, hon"
"Thanks sweetie"

See the difference?

No?

That's because there isn't one.


I agree with William S Burroughs on heroin regulation.  He suggeasted that the heroin trade, being a demand-based business, would cease to exist over time by a junkie quarantine. It's a disease.  You must quarantine and help the afflicted while stopping the spread. Round up the junkies, put them in a non-discriminatory rehab program that mixes weaning, methadone, and replacement along with health care.  After six months, the heroin's not in control of the streets anymore.  Mind you, this was only regarding heroin and wasn't a catch all solution, but it's still a valid idea.  He said heroin is (was at the time) the only really dangerous drug based on demand.  Cocaine is supply based addiction. While the details might not appeal to everyone, the major problem at the time--and to a degree still--was the lumping in of all narcotics into a simplistic Pile of Zero Tolerance.
 
2013-02-17 01:58:21 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.


cdn.styleforum.net
 
2013-02-17 01:59:48 PM

citizenj: Prohibition doesn't work.
You'd think we would have learned that.

But no.

Medical treatment, education, these things work.

So what, 8ace wanted to get responsibly farked up. I like to once every year or two also.

Does that make us evil?


If you're doing hard drugs it makes you a farking idiot. Smoke weed or get drunk, don't do hard drugs because they  are addictive, they  do cause neurological problems, and a few of them have side effects like burning out your emotions or giving you severe brain damage. TFA was discussing legalization to protect addicts, not create new ones.

That said, legalization  will protect addicts, and  will get them safe help quickly, which is something both British and American society need desperately. For you, however, please do not be a moran, do your homework before getting farked up and don't take something that could seriously hurt you. Fark doesn't need  more brain damage around this place.
 
2013-02-17 02:06:32 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: tuffsnake: "Honey I'm going to CVS do you need anything from there?"
"Uh, oh actually yeah can you refill on my herion oxycodone prescription? Here's the bottle it still has two refills on it"
"Sure thing, hon"
"Thanks sweetie"

See the difference?

No?

That's because there isn't one.


Exactly
 
2013-02-17 02:11:08 PM
Yeah, it'll happen putting thousands of small vendors out of work and the big organized guys don't care because they have a lobby so they're cool wit it.

Typical leaning on the small businessperson.
 
2013-02-17 02:24:38 PM
WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization.  Absolute scum of the earth.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-17 02:26:47 PM
Yes.  Because if there's 1 thing society needs is easier to come by drugs.
 
2013-02-17 02:36:41 PM

LL316: Yes.  Because if there's 1 thing society needs is easier to come by drugs.


dl.dropbox.com
Making things harder to come often has the opposite effect of what you are shooting for.
 
2013-02-17 02:40:22 PM

weltallica: WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization.  Absolute scum of the earth.


Wow, a fat tough guy with a gun. If you're advertising on Facebook like that, you have the absolute opposite attitude that someone who owns guns should have.
 
2013-02-17 02:46:18 PM
Wow, a fat tough guy with a gun. If you're advertising on Facebook like that, you have the absolute opposite attitude that someone who owns guns should have.
 
2013-02-17 02:58:01 PM

KeatingFive: Is it going to lead to never being able to get a job ever again like it would have in America?


My bosses are people. They know how and why I got in trouble. My MD wrote me a character reference for court.
 
2013-02-17 04:14:49 PM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


Since organized crime will always exist, why on earth hand them yet another corner of the market to monopolize and generate huge profits from? The Mafia isn't one single element one can eradicate from the world ever, it is a symptom of society failing somewhere.

Forcing organized crime to look for others to get into other than flipping drugs (good luck finding anything as easy OR lucrative) at least slows them down and cuts into Tony Montana's monthly take.
 
2013-02-17 04:31:11 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Never happen.

The opium war lord families in the Northeast which have control of Washington and both political parties will never allow this to happen.  Aspinwall, Cabot, Cushing, Derby, Coles, Forbes, King, Nye, Perkins, Sturgis, Thomson, Wetmore. Russell. Franklin DELANO Roosevelt's money - great gobs of it - came from grandfather Warren Delano, a king hell opium war lord in the Pearl River delta. Your Liberal icon never had to work for money, he inherited through his mother a gigantic fortune courtesy of millions of opium addicted Chinese, a hell on earth for them.


I find the lack of Jews and Space Lizards being mentioned in this post disturbing.
 
2013-02-17 04:51:39 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Clemkadidlefark: Never happen.

The opium war lord families in the Northeast which have control of Washington and both political parties will never allow this to happen.  Aspinwall, Cabot, Cushing, Derby, Coles, Forbes, King, Nye, Perkins, Sturgis, Thomson, Wetmore. Russell. Franklin DELANO Roosevelt's money - great gobs of it - came from grandfather Warren Delano, a king hell opium war lord in the Pearl River delta. Your Liberal icon never had to work for money, he inherited through his mother a gigantic fortune courtesy of millions of opium addicted Chinese, a hell on earth for them.

I find the lack of Jews and Space Lizards being mentioned in this post disturbing.


Don't try to frighten him with your sorcerer's ways.
 
2013-02-17 05:05:13 PM

Rozotorical: You're telling me, that removing billions in their revenue stream will have no effect?


I have another reason for legalizing pot

Pot grow houses eat 8 percent of California's residential electricity ..
 
2013-02-17 05:42:18 PM

lewismarktwo: Legalize drugs and prostitution.  We did it for gambling!  Starve the black market out.  The problem is: The powers that be WANT THERE TO BE A BLACK MARKET AND 'WAR ON SCARY THINGS'.


I hope you're not joking, because I agree.

/that would be awkward
 
2013-02-17 05:52:46 PM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


That is completely not the argument, cman. The argument is that if people are going to do drugs, why should you not give them supervised, easy-access to good-grade materials, rather then people dropping dead from chemistry so sloppy that even the most basic household cleaning supplies meet a higher standard?

The answer is that you think heaven is waiting for them, so why not kill them quickly? And if that strikes you as a bit of a campy answer, please, give us another reason your son or daughter should meet criminals in a city at night to get 30 cents worth of a pharmaceutical without your knowledge, when you could have an adult conversation instead (no hiding when it's legal) and get that kid some help?

/Oh, because people in power are assholes.
 
2013-02-17 06:00:18 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance:

We need to take the distribution and manufacturing of these dangerous drugs away from organized crime and put it into the hands of a more benevolent and responsible group of people.... big pharma.

Well, yes, actually.  Having dealt with big pharma for a couple years now, I would say that the moral fragrance of the group is not much better than that of organized crime, BUT, they do pay taxes, and follow the laws, for the most part.  So, yes, it is better that THEY handle it than organized crime.

As has been mentioned, the major benefits are in two categories:  For the addict, and for society in general.


For the addict, they will need a prescription, which means that they will be seeing a doctor on a regular basis.  Their drugs, which they WILL get each day, will be significantly cheaper, meaning that there will be less need for robbery and other potentially violent crime to pay for the drugs, meaning fewer convictions.  If the drug use or addiction is not, itself, a crime, it would be possible for addicts (especially heroin addicts) to have regular jobs, and pay for their drugs themselves.  They would be at a pharmacy, rather than with a pusher, so they have less contact with the criminal element.


For society, the reduced crime needed to pay for drugs is a positive right out of the gate.  Also immediate is the increase in tax revenues.  Anything which drastically cuts the money to be made by organized crime pays off in the short term, as well.  On a longer term basis, without drug dealers and pushers on every corner, it becomes MORE difficult to "try" these drugs.  Now, if you have the money and the desire, you have the drugs.   And, of course, the key is that only addicts can get prescriptions for these drugs.  Over time, as addicts get old and die off, the number of addicts will steadily decrease, meaning that all facets of this problem will be ameliorated.


Currently, in the U.S., drug policy is an abomination.  It would be difficult to plan a response to drugs that would be more harmful than the current situation.  The biggest problem with the "War On Drugs" is that we don't have an exit strategy.  In this case, surrender is a viable option.  The biggest factor in all of this is that, to an addict, getting their drug is THE MOST IMPORTANT GOAL in life.  They will do, and have done, whatever is necessary.  So, give them a path which involves the minimum damage to society.  Doing this could lose us the world title for "Country with the highest percentage of the population incarcerated" which we have held for a while now...  and that's a very good thing.

 
2013-02-17 06:07:40 PM

dready zim: Reducing their profit to 2.45% of what it was simply by producing your own and STILL making a profit seems like a good idea to me. A war on the profits from drugs that has a negative cost AND works?


Do you think a drop by a factor of a hundred in the price of heroin would be a good thing for society?
 
2013-02-17 06:10:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese:

So organized crime is not going to sell drugs to people who can't, or won't get a prescription?
Or they won't undercut the prices on the legal drugs.

I think that is a very naive view.

Uh, no, it's not.  Keep in mind that the reason organized crime is involved in drugs is that there is a massive source of money that is available every day, from addicts buying their drugs.  No, it is not a practical business model for organized crime to try to undercut the legal market.  Heroin, especially, is incredibly cheap to produce.  What makes it expensive is the fact that everyone involved in production now is taking a large risk to conduct business.  What would be the incentive for an addict to by drugs from a pusher, even if they are a tiny bit cheaper, when they can avoid legal hassles by getting a prescription?

With the HUGE addict market, with it's insatiable daily demand, out of the picture, the market is only there for "explorers" of the drugs.  This is a small market, and even MORE fraught with risk, as unknown customers can easily be police; addicts one sees every day, and trusts.  Without the addicts, the market becomes significantly worse for illegal distribution, and incredibly smaller, as well.  Organized crime will lose interest.

 
2013-02-17 07:56:06 PM

orbister: Do you think a drop by a factor of a hundred in the price of heroin would be a good thing for society?


One of the biggest lies is the idea that drugs are expensive.  Drugs are cheap, very cheap unless you have a massive coke habit that involves handing out freebees to your skanky girlfriends.
 
2013-02-17 08:03:58 PM

dready zim:

pjbreeze: If we legalized class A drugs, would everyone become heroin addicts overnight?
 I don't think so.

We can take a real world example from holland who had something like 10,000 junkies when they decriminalized heroin and 10 years later they had 10,000 junkies who were all 10 years older...

That is THE basic, immutable fact of this whole issue:  Junkies WILL get their drug.  Better that they get it through legal sources, and that we make way fewer NEW junkies.  Then, just wait for nature and time to run their course.
 
2013-02-17 08:12:57 PM

PsiChick: citizenj: Prohibition doesn't work.
You'd think we would have learned that.

But no.

Medical treatment, education, these things work.

So what, 8ace wanted to get responsibly farked up. I like to once every year or two also.

Does that make us evil?

If you're doing hard drugs it makes you a farking idiot. Smoke weed or get drunk, don't do hard drugs because they  are addictive, they  do cause neurological problems, and a few of them have side effects like burning out your emotions or giving you severe brain damage. TFA was discussing legalization to protect addicts, not create new ones.

That said, legalization  will protect addicts, and  will get them safe help quickly, which is something both British and American society need desperately. For you, however, please do not be a moran, do your homework before getting farked up and don't take something that could seriously hurt you. Fark doesn't need  more brain damage around this place.


Sweetheart, I appreciate your concern.

HOWEVER, I'm 40, wife, two kids, mortgage, six fig salary.

Last time I partied? Two years ago, blow, New years party. Kids at my bro's, safe and sound. Rented limo- no driving. Drank a fifth of whiskey, did a hella lotta yayo, rocked turntables as the after hours dj. Addicted? Only to the oontz oontz oontz oontz of house. (Some would say that deserves treatment).

Staying away from the bad shiate, enjoying the little bit now n then.

The thing I have a hella time quitting that's killing me? Cigarettes.
 
2013-02-17 09:18:22 PM

citizenj: six fig salary.


He's so busy making money that he doesn't even have time to type "ure".
 
2013-02-17 10:06:46 PM

orbister: dready zim: Reducing their profit to 2.45% of what it was simply by producing your own and STILL making a profit seems like a good idea to me. A war on the profits from drugs that has a negative cost AND works?

Do you think a drop by a factor of a hundred in the price of heroin would be a good thing for society?


Yes.

Less crime to get money to buy heroin.

Some addicts choose their drug over everything else, which causes a secondary set of problems.  They'll have more money to spend taking care of themselves if the drug is cheaper.

It's not like people will just go out and try heroin for the 1st time just because it's cheap.
 
2013-02-17 11:01:53 PM
And what of the tens of millions of people, worldwide, who have to be victims of crime, often violent, to support these addicts?

Americans have to spend all day long being talked down to about our crime, our poverty, our homelessness, our prison system, and our ghettos, and no one want to talk about the process that built and maintained these problems from day one.

You can have a system where the people who smash your teeth out with a baseball bat are the criminals, but don't expect it to stand for long.

You think drug abuse is a public health problem?

Tell that to someone whose child was just shot in the face.
 
2013-02-17 11:05:48 PM

pedrop357: orbister: dready zim: Reducing their profit to 2.45% of what it was simply by producing your own and STILL making a profit seems like a good idea to me. A war on the profits from drugs that has a negative cost AND works?

Do you think a drop by a factor of a hundred in the price of heroin would be a good thing for society?

Yes.

Less crime to get money to buy heroin.

Some addicts choose their drug over everything else, which causes a secondary set of problems.  They'll have more money to spend taking care of themselves if the drug is cheaper.

It's not like people will just go out and try heroin for the 1st time just because it's cheap.



Your a farking moron and I hope someone you love is killed because of it.
A heroin addict will max out on about $3000 a week, if they're lucky.
Once they die,
There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of people out there to take their place.
You have never met an addict in your entire life, and your ignorance is exactly why we have the problem we do.
 
2013-02-17 11:14:15 PM

Dwindle: pedrop357: orbister: dready zim: Reducing their profit to 2.45% of what it was simply by producing your own and STILL making a profit seems like a good idea to me. A war on the profits from drugs that has a negative cost AND works?

Do you think a drop by a factor of a hundred in the price of heroin would be a good thing for society?

Yes.

Less crime to get money to buy heroin.

Some addicts choose their drug over everything else, which causes a secondary set of problems.  They'll have more money to spend taking care of themselves if the drug is cheaper.

It's not like people will just go out and try heroin for the 1st time just because it's cheap.


Your a farking moron and I hope someone you love is killed because of it.
A heroin addict will max out on about $3000 a week, if they're lucky.
Once they die,
There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of people out there to take their place.
You have never met an addict in your entire life, and your ignorance is exactly why we have the problem we do.


Sweety, this bullchit being repeated to fools who will believe it is the problem.
This is fearmongering and complete crap.
 
2013-02-17 11:20:55 PM

Quaker: citizenj: six fig salary.

He's so busy making money that he doesn't even have time to type "ure".


Nope. Typing on a phone, outside, in the cold while smoking.

I apologize for my brevity, you snarky monkey, you.
 
2013-02-17 11:51:15 PM
Hey look, it's a giant wall of green text full of practical thought.  How many stupid walls of text needed to get killed before we got here?
 
2013-02-18 12:41:08 AM

Dwindle: Your a farking moron and I hope someone you love is killed because of it.
A heroin addict will max out on about $3000 a week, if they're lucky.
Once they die,
There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of people out there to take their place.
You have never met an addict in your entire life, and your ignorance is exactly why we have the problem we do.


Billions?  You really thing 30-60% (or more) of THE PLANET is ready to just start doing heroin until they OD?

Is that $3000 in drug war priced, cut/impure heroin, or mass produced, pure heroin legally sold in the drug store next to the tylenol?

We've met the moron and it is you.
 
2013-02-18 01:26:56 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


Mr. Titanium: After Prohibition, they used this as a highly profitable money laundering scheme for all their illegal profits. That seems more likely the outcome of legalizing drugs.


When prohibition ended, a lot of the bootleggers just went broke. And no matter what you think they started doing in the 40s, the illegal alcohol trade is just not a source of violent crime any more.
 
2013-02-18 01:28:38 AM

Champion of the Sun: There's no traditional mob income left besides drugs.


Prostitution
 
2013-02-18 05:19:59 AM

Dwindle: Your a farking moron and I hope someone you love is killed because of it.
A heroin addict will max out on about $3000 a week, if they're lucky.
Once they die,
There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of people out there to take their place.
You have never met an addict in your entire life, and your ignorance is exactly why we have the problem we do.


I've been checking the lists, but my reservation for heroin addiction keeps getting bumped.  Do you know of a recently deceased heroin addict whose space I might fill?   I'm just sick of all this bureaucratic red tape.  I tell you, just getting the proper documentation to even apply for addiction is such a byzantine snakepit that I've gone through two passports in the meantime.

 I think I would make a great heroin addict, and to be honest, this alcohol addiction is getting me nowhere.  If you know of a shortcut, I promise not to tell the countless billions waiting for their addiction papers.  I know it's asking a lot, but any advice on how to go about realizing my potential as a heroin addict without going through the tedium that is Big Government would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
2013-02-18 06:55:17 AM
Meh Belfast, it's a political backwater, who'se going to listen to this when eminent drug advoisors in London who say the same thing get lynching by media?. But the bloke makes sense though


cman:The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

They'll struggle to find as easy and lucrative money making endeavours as drugs, especially the addictive ones. The " War on Drugs" has for generations now handed control of an unbelievable cash machine to criminals. There wouldn't be so many criminals and they wouldn't be so rich and ruthless if this stuff was legal and regulated. Nor would there be so much drug taking.


WTF Indeed: Competition will help drive that price down so that everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want too.
Yes that's how the unfettered market works for addictive drugs. The solution is to regulate the points of sale, organisations involved and price via taxes. Right now none of that is done ensuring that the most ruthless, ratbastard scum are at the top of the money making tree.
There's only two choices here: Serve our society, be pragmatic and go with what works or continue to needlessly sabotage our society's future by feeding the vermin.

A large part of the problem here is our society ("The West") is historically illiterate and thus has no way of measuring what a disaster the "War on Drugs" is. (Also there seems to be a built in witchunting/scapegoating mechanism in humans).
Another large chunk of the blame must attach to our politicians for not being braver and telling it like it is - although to be fair voters have a limited appetite for unpalatable truths.
Nevertheless if you want to know how competant the Western political class and systems are just look at illegal drugs policy. True, our politicos aren't third world incompetant but they fall very far short.
 
2013-02-18 06:58:59 AM
frkk's sake this comment system sux. Sorry for misspelling.
 
2013-02-18 07:22:32 AM
Decriminalization would be a good start.

Individuals should be able to put any substance they want to in their own bodies.
//recreational user
/// caffeine, nicotine, sugar, vodak
 
2013-02-18 10:30:55 AM

unlikely: Champion of the Sun: There's no traditional mob income left besides drugs.

Prostitution


Politics!
 
2013-02-18 02:51:54 PM
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