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2013-02-17 11:21:06 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


You're telling me, that removing billions in their revenue stream will have no effect?
 
2013-02-17 11:27:11 AM
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2013-02-17 11:27:16 AM
Here in Bern, Switzerland they're pretty good about this sort of thing: the police focus on going after drug traffickers, particularly those involved with violence.

They treat drug <i>use</i> like a medical, rather than criminal, issue -- they encourage users to stop using drugs and offer treatment to those who need or want it. The Swiss are big on "harm reduction" and have government-run sites that hand out sterile needles so people don't feel the need to reuse needles and risk even more serious health issues. They also offer heroin-assisted treatment (to help wean people off the drug) and have supervised injection rooms with medical staff on-site.

Not surprisingly, these measures are far less expensive and more effective than treating drug use like a criminal issue, having to undergo trials, incarcerations, etc. The US could learn a lot from the Swiss.
 
2013-02-17 11:28:06 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.


liquidpoo: 8ace: I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


The same moral principle that allows you to say stupid shiat like this should allow an individual to put whatever they want into their body.

We tolerate your weapons grade idiocy in the name of an ethical principle - you should grant others the same courtesy.
 
2013-02-17 11:28:41 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Glancing Blow: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

I don't know why you're reading it that way.  It explicitly states the taking of drugs away from organized crime control, not that this will eliminate organized crime.

So organized crime is not going to sell drugs to people who can't, or won't get a prescription?
Or they won't undercut the prices on the legal drugs.

I think that is a very naive view.


As it is "they" steal trucks of cigs, booze, and whatever to sell at a complete profit.
 
2013-02-17 11:30:22 AM
I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.



THIS...So THIS. BTW my state legalized pot wanna see how rich we got?
 
2013-02-17 11:30:34 AM

WTF Indeed: This is great idea. Legalizing hard drugs means that you can tax the sale of them, making money for the state. As everyone knows heroin and coke addicts have lots of disposable income and will be willing to pay that extra bit for a high.  We must also think about the side benefits of this plan, like the rise of hard drug market economy. Competition will help drive that price down so that everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want too.  This also opens vast new opportunities for Discovery Channel shows as there will be tens of millions of dollars to be made in the black market sale of untaxed drugs.


Harsh penalties for possession and use of drugs or drug paraphernalia keep people from seeking help and makes it difficult to offer help to addicts. It also encourages risky behavior, as an example hypodermic needles are pretty tightly controlled in the US(as an anti-drug measure) of course it doesn't actually stop people from injecting drugs it just means they use dirty needles. Also nobody would be smoking "bath salts" if they could get marijuana. And that's without getting into the secondary effects of The War On Drugs such as the erosion of 4th Amendment rights, militarization of domestic police and money funneled to organized crime through the drug trade.
 
2013-02-17 11:31:50 AM

WTF Indeed: Bontesla: I'm pretty sure advocating for a change in policy because one felt that policy was unjust IS a great example of responsibility.

In the US, that would satisfy the legal requirement of having a dog in that legal fight which would allow him to sue the government.

No, advocating a change in policy is not personal responsibility, if that was the case NAMBLA would be filled with up-standing citizens. And just because one thinks they should be able to do keys bumps on their weekend off from work does not meet the requirement of drug laws being a violation of civil rights.


Lol
That's a really poor requirement for determining responsibility. It's subjective. If you disagree with the initiative then to champion illustrates poor responsibility. Responsibility hinges on a subjective standard that changes with each person.

To take up causes and advocate for change is a sign of personal responsibility. You're trying to effect change. Now, you can disagree with the outcome or goal but that's not the same argument as irresponsibility.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:30 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Glancing Blow: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

I don't know why you're reading it that way.  It explicitly states the taking of drugs away from organized crime control, not that this will eliminate organized crime.

So organized crime is not going to sell drugs to people who can't, or won't get a prescription?
Or they won't undercut the prices on the legal drugs.

I think that is a very naive view.


It`s like booze now. The black market only supplies legitimate alcohol, branded etc just obtained without paying tax and the price is usually halfway between the full price and the tax free price. This happens with almost every product with tax on it.

this limits profit on a product to half the tax.

In the current black market for drugs there is often over a 10,000% markup from the original producer to the end user. (heroin is 16833% markup from £450 to £75750 per kilo and cocaine is 15895% markup from £325 to £51659 per kilo)

So while there is a 413% mark-up from farm gate to consumer in the price of a legal drug, coffee, the percentage price mark-up for an illegal drug such as heroin can run into multiple thousands.

413/16833=0.02453

Reducing their profit to 2.45% of what it was simply by producing your own and STILL making a profit seems like a good idea to me. A war on the profits from drugs that has a negative cost AND works?

Unpossible.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:27 AM

alice_600: I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


THIS...So THIS. BTW my state legalized pot wanna see how rich we got?


The sale of pot is still not taxed by any state, nor is the production regulated. Was your point that, since pot is legal in your state, your state should be rich from the proceeds? Hahaha. Moron.
 
2013-02-17 11:36:24 AM

WTF Indeed: Bontesla: I'm pretty sure advocating for a change in policy because one felt that policy was unjust IS a great example of responsibility.

In the US, that would satisfy the legal requirement of having a dog in that legal fight which would allow him to sue the government.

No, advocating a change in policy is not personal responsibility, if that was the case NAMBLA would be filled with up-standing citizens. And just because one thinks they should be able to do keys bumps on their weekend off from work does not meet the requirement of drug laws being a violation of civil rights.


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2013-02-17 11:39:05 AM

Rozotorical: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

You're telling me, that removing billions in their revenue stream will have no effect?




It will have an effect.
Ending prohibitions on drugs, guns, booze, prostitution and others things (here to for referred to as "Fun") gets the criminals out of profitable and illegitimate business. They either go straight and make less money in the fun industry, or they find a new racket.
The mob is involved in rigging everything from gas meters to renewable energy schemes. They just aren't as profitable as buying fun for a dollar outside the US and reselling it for hundreds of thousands inside.

The main side effect is reducing fun related violence and the ill influences of profiteering on fun. It gets all the money from fun out of the gangs, who will have to find something else to fight over besides their illicit stockpiles of fun.

There will still be crime, but with luck it will take on a less corrupting and dangerous form.
More jobs created by fun, fewer criminals.
 
2013-02-17 11:39:50 AM
The way to improve society rarely seems to match up with the way to win elections.
 
2013-02-17 11:40:02 AM

alice_600: I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


THIS...So THIS. BTW my state legalized pot wanna see how rich we got?


So why don`t you two go over there and not do drugs and talk about your latest justin bieber album and glee.

The rest of us cool kids will be wasted over there dancing with the women who were raised by their mom and have boundary issues and tattoos and borderline alcoholism.
 
2013-02-17 11:41:28 AM

WTF Indeed: This is great idea. Legalizing hard drugs means that you can tax the sale of them, making money for the state. As everyone knows heroin and coke addicts have lots of disposable income and will be willing to pay that extra bit for a high.  We must also think about the side benefits of this plan, like the rise of hard drug market economy. Competition will help drive that price down so that everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want too.  This also opens vast new opportunities for Discovery Channel shows as there will be tens of millions of dollars to be made in the black market sale of untaxed drugs.


You're assuming that legal drugs will be more expensive.

I would think that egal production is far less expensive without all of the violence, the bribes, and clandestine shipments and transactions. Weed, heroin and cocaine are abundant plant products. Look at how much is produced in secret . Now imagine if you could openly produce and market it, if you taxed the hell out of it and it was the same cost currently available on the street, it would still be safer and better quality.
 
2013-02-17 11:41:58 AM

dready zim: JungleBoogie: Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas

[www.madrasrecipe.com image 600x450]

Saudi Arabia funds curries?


While that looks delicious and has focused my thinking on my next meal, the madrassas to which I'm referring are Islamic religious schools with a focus on a fundamentalist form of Islam called Wahhabism.
 
2013-02-17 11:45:24 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, because once it is available by prescription, there will be no more illegal usage of the drugs.
Brilliant.


Inorite! Currently, nobody does drugs because they are illegal. Just think of all of the problems we will cause when people finally start using them! It will be madness.
 
2013-02-17 11:46:22 AM
Never happen.

The opium war lord families in the Northeast which have control of Washington and both political parties will never allow this to happen.  Aspinwall, Cabot, Cushing, Derby, Coles, Forbes, King, Nye, Perkins, Sturgis, Thomson, Wetmore. Russell. Franklin DELANO Roosevelt's money - great gobs of it - came from grandfather Warren Delano, a king hell opium war lord in the Pearl River delta. Your Liberal icon never had to work for money, he inherited through his mother a gigantic fortune courtesy of millions of opium addicted Chinese, a hell on earth for them.
 
2013-02-17 11:46:30 AM

way south: They just aren't as profitable as buying fun for a dollar outside the US and reselling it for hundreds of thousands inside.


The international fun exchange rate is a little more complicated than that.
 
2013-02-17 11:48:16 AM

JungleBoogie: dready zim: JungleBoogie: Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas

[www.madrasrecipe.com image 600x450]

Saudi Arabia funds curries?

While that looks delicious and has focused my thinking on my next meal, the madrassas to which I'm referring are Islamic religious schools with a focus on a fundamentalist form of Islam called Wahhabism.


It`s a chicken madras from madrasrecipe.com. I`ve started putting a glass of red wine into my beef or lamb curries and coating the meat cubes in flour (like the french do) and frying them before I put them in.

Is Wahhabism that stuff in sushi bars that`s like asian horseradish? Strange thing to name your religion after.
 
2013-02-17 11:49:06 AM
Until the current generation of stubborn ignorant cement-heads are talking to and pissing themselves in nursing homes, we'll face an uphill battle getting these laws off the books, along with enthusiasm that law enforcement and prosecutors have for ruining people's lives for bullshiat reasons.

The irony is that if you have ever been in a nursing home you would conclude there is a huge population of miserable sods living there that would benefit enormously from smoking a couple of bowls a day.
 
2013-02-17 11:49:38 AM
Legalize murder. There are some people that really piss me off.
 
2013-02-17 11:50:25 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Never happen.

The opium war lord families in the Northeast which have control of Washington and both political parties will never allow this to happen.  Aspinwall, Cabot, Cushing, Derby, Coles, Forbes, King, Nye, Perkins, Sturgis, Thomson, Wetmore. Russell. Franklin DELANO Roosevelt's money - great gobs of it - came from grandfather Warren Delano, a king hell opium war lord in the Pearl River delta. Your Liberal icon never had to work for money, he inherited through his mother a gigantic fortune courtesy of millions of opium addicted Chinese, a hell on earth for them.


Opium still runs the world.
 
2013-02-17 11:51:53 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Until the current generation of stubborn ignorant cement-heads are talking to and pissing themselves in nursing homes, we'll face an uphill battle getting these laws off the books, along with enthusiasm that law enforcement and prosecutors have for ruining people's lives for bullshiat reasons.

The irony is that if you have ever been in a nursing home you would conclude there is a huge population of miserable sods living there that would benefit enormously from smoking a couple of bowls a day.


The medical dispensaries could use some shuttle service.
Hey, PROFIT!
 
2013-02-17 11:53:47 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


Not quite.  Look at the end of Prohibition.  Organized crime already had most of the breweries and distilleries, so they started with the facilities to dominate the legal trade.  After Prohibition, they used this as a highly profitable money laundering scheme for all their illegal profits.  That seems more likely the outcome of legalizing drugs.
 
2013-02-17 11:55:11 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Never happen.

The opium war lord families in the Northeast which have control of Washington and both political parties will never allow this to happen.  Aspinwall, Cabot, Cushing, Derby, Coles, Forbes, King, Nye, Perkins, Sturgis, Thomson, Wetmore. Russell. Franklin DELANO Roosevelt's money - great gobs of it - came from grandfather Warren Delano, a king hell opium war lord in the Pearl River delta. Your Liberal icon never had to work for money, he inherited through his mother a gigantic fortune courtesy of millions of opium addicted Chinese, a hell on earth for them.


There's a lot of conjecture here.  And at any rate, it actually makes FDR look even better, though I'm uncertain whose fantasy bubble you thought you were bursting with this.
 
2013-02-17 11:55:41 AM
Organized crime will not suffer one bit due to legalisation.  They'll just move on to other things.

Legalizing drugs will simply free up much need taxpayer cash that is going to waste.
 
2013-02-17 11:57:39 AM
Write this down.

Your day will come.


Brompton cocktail - sometimes called a Brompton mixture, or, incorrectly, Brompton's cocktail - is an elixir meant for use as a pain suppressant, and dosed for  prophylaxis. Made from  morphine or  diacetylmorphine (heroin)cocaine, highly-pure  ethyl alcohol (some recipes specify gin), and sometimes with  chlorpromazine (Thorazine) to counteract nausea, it was given to  terminally-ill individuals (especially  cancer patients) to relieve  pain and promote sociability near death. A common formulation included "a variable amount of morphine, 10  mg of cocaine, 2.5  mL of 98% ethyl alcohol, 5 mL of syrup BP and a variable amount of chloroform water.

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2013-02-17 12:00:31 PM

Mr. Titanium: Not quite. Look at the end of Prohibition. Organized crime already had most of the breweries and distilleries, so they started with the facilities to dominate the legal trade. After Prohibition, they used this as a highly profitable money laundering scheme for all their illegal profits. That seems more likely the outcome of legalizing drugs.


It's still preferable to lining highways with the severed heads of recovering addicts, and a drug war that has killed tens of thousands in a year.  It also deals a bad blow to al-qaeda.  Sure, the racket won't disappear, but the legalization of trade will lower the risk on either side.  Also, if drugs are legal, smuggling becomes unnecessary.  This, like renewable clean energy, is not 'save the world' farting unicorn idealism.  This is about keeping America wealthy and protected.  It's really not a cynical way of thinking.  And think of all the domestic R&D and manufacturing jobs!
 
2013-02-17 12:01:40 PM

snocone: Write this down.

Your day will come.


Brompton cocktail - sometimes called a Brompton mixture, or, incorrectly, Brompton's cocktail - is an elixir meant for use as a pain suppressant, and dosed for  prophylaxis. Made from  morphine or  diacetylmorphine (heroin),  cocaine, highly-pure  ethyl alcohol (some recipes specify gin), and sometimes with  chlorpromazine (Thorazine) to counteract nausea, it was given to  terminally-ill individuals (especially  cancer patients) to relieve  pain and promote sociability near death. A common formulation included "a variable amount of morphine, 10  mg of cocaine, 2.5  mL of 98% ethyl alcohol, 5 mL of syrup BP and a variable amount of chloroform water.

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Holy balls that sounds like a dream vacation.
 
2013-02-17 12:01:47 PM
If we legalized class A drugs, would everyone become heroin addicts overnight?
 I don't think so.
 
2013-02-17 12:04:55 PM

thamike: snocone: Write this down.

Your day will come.


Brompton cocktail - sometimes called a Brompton mixture, or, incorrectly, Brompton's cocktail - is an elixir meant for use as a pain suppressant, and dosed for  prophylaxis. Made from  morphine or  diacetylmorphine (heroin),  cocaine, highly-pure  ethyl alcohol (some recipes specify gin), and sometimes with  chlorpromazine (Thorazine) to counteract nausea, it was given to  terminally-ill individuals (especially  cancer patients) to relieve  pain and promote sociability near death. A common formulation included "a variable amount of morphine, 10  mg of cocaine, 2.5  mL of 98% ethyl alcohol, 5 mL of syrup BP and a variable amount of chloroform water.

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Holy balls that sounds like a dream vacation.


Careful what you wish for,,,
 
2013-02-17 12:07:25 PM

pjbreeze: If we legalized class A drugs, would everyone become heroin addicts overnight?
 I don't think so.


All you would/could really do is alter the distribution structure/economics.
The same amount of opium would be ultimately consumed.
In other words, all of it.
Like it has been for centuries.
 
2013-02-17 12:07:25 PM

pjbreeze: If we legalized class A drugs, would everyone become heroin addicts overnight?
 I don't think so.


We can take a real world example from holland who had something like 10,000 junkies when they decriminalized heroin and 10 years later they had 10,000 junkies who were all 10 years older...
 
2013-02-17 12:09:07 PM
Cut the crap. Just look at Portugal, they've done this with great success and are saving taxpayer dollars in the process.
 
2013-02-17 12:11:09 PM

cman: Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.


Organized crime groups are already actively pursuing every money-making venture that is available to them. There's nothing for them to move into that they wouldn't be doing anyway.
 
2013-02-17 12:11:54 PM

snocone: thamike: snocone: Write this down.

Your day will come.


Brompton cocktail - sometimes called a Brompton mixture, or, incorrectly, Brompton's cocktail - is an elixir meant for use as a pain suppressant, and dosed for  prophylaxis. Made from  morphine or  diacetylmorphine (heroin),  cocaine, highly-pure  ethyl alcohol (some recipes specify gin), and sometimes with  chlorpromazine (Thorazine) to counteract nausea, it was given to  terminally-ill individuals (especially  cancer patients) to relieve  pain and promote sociability near death. A common formulation included "a variable amount of morphine, 10  mg of cocaine, 2.5  mL of 98% ethyl alcohol, 5 mL of syrup BP and a variable amount of chloroform water.

http://ad.bnmla.com/serve?pid=2078&zid=69599&ohname=en.wikipedia.org &i f=1&cb=673752391&sid=78FC852A-3F12-11E2-8036-12313B082201&click=</a>" frameBorder="0" width="301" name="ap721" scrolling="no" sab="4834">

Holy balls that sounds like a dream vacation.

Careful what you wish for,,,


I bet that's the shiat that killed Elvis.
 
2013-02-17 12:14:45 PM

WTF Indeed: So you're complaining because you're out 600 pounds, and it inconvenienced you for half a year? Guess what? You knowingly did something illegal and paid what amounted to a slap on the wrist. In America, you'd be getting anally raped by a Klan member for a year.  How about you accept responsibility for your own actions, Mr. Family man who enjoys snorting lines of a coke when he's out on the town.


I generally don't give opinion on other's life choices like recreational drug use, you however sound like a total jackhole.
 
2013-02-17 12:15:29 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.


Not really the same - I would not waste my cocaine on you, but you could waste me with your gun.
 
2013-02-17 12:15:37 PM
All I know is, I live in constant fear that my doctor will get too skittish to keep my back pain adequately controlled, and then I'll be in constant misery.  Which would affect not only me, but my husband, and my kids -- everything and everybody I'm involved with.  With a degenerative spinal condition, if I can't have my pain treated, all hope for the future will be lost to me.
 
2013-02-17 12:16:54 PM

WTF Indeed: 8ace: Everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want.

Not everyone who takes drugs are drooling and fiendish. Were you joking?

Economics, man!  Get that price down so the general public can experiences the joys of heroin twitches.  The rich have known that joy for far too long.


This is a joke, right?
 
2013-02-17 12:19:46 PM
No matter what it is. No matter what method , some people will not do it, not at all or do it too much.
(Guns, Lotto, Booze, Drugs, Porn, Religion).  Its the extremes that get the attention.
I do not know of any family that has never had someone of either extreme.

So we regulate what the middle can live with. We move the boundaries around with laws.
If we agree on that then maybe we can move forward. But we can not agree on that.
 
2013-02-17 12:20:37 PM

8ace: I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.


When my kids were young we had the "just say no" "all drugs are bad" policy.

I warned them about the specific dangers of each drug. The fallout from being caught being the main marijuana risk.
 
2013-02-17 12:22:28 PM

Cowkitchen2: All I know is, I live in constant fear that my doctor will get too skittish to keep my back pain adequately controlled, and then I'll be in constant misery.  Which would affect not only me, but my husband, and my kids -- everything and everybody I'm involved with.  With a degenerative spinal condition, if I can't have my pain treated, all hope for the future will be lost to me.


Get an inversion table.
Do it today.
Sell a kid into slavery if you have to.
Oh, and learn how to use it FIRST.
3 days, you will believe.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:43 PM

liquidpoo: 8ace: I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


THIS.  People want the "social contract" of having their health care taken care of and then go off and do drugs and then whine that health care is too expensive.
 
2013-02-17 12:29:57 PM

dready zim: JungleBoogie: Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas

[www.madrasrecipe.com image 600x450]
Saudi Arabia funds curries?


Oh god that looks good.
 
2013-02-17 12:32:37 PM
cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

Mr. Titanium: Not quite.  Look at the end of Prohibition.  Organized crime already had most of the breweries and distilleries, so they started with the facilities to dominate the legal trade.  After Prohibition, they used this as a highly profitable money laundering scheme for all their illegal profits.  That seems more likely the outcome of legalizing drugs.


Let's give it a whirl and see what happens. Every social policy has costs and benefits. We know the cost/benefit menu of the current policy. If an alternate policy leads to an unacceptable cost/benefit menu, we can just go back to the current setup. Nothing is permanent, especially in the legislative arena.
 
2013-02-17 12:32:40 PM
"Honey I'm going to CVS do you need anything from there?"
"Uh, oh actually yeah can you refill on my herion prescription? Here's the bottle it still has two refills on it"
"Sure thing, hon"
"Thanks sweetie"
 
2013-02-17 12:34:41 PM
JungleBoogie: Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas

dready zim: [www.madrasrecipe.com image 600x450]

Saudi Arabia funds curries?

safetycap: Oh god that looks good.


It's food porn.
 
2013-02-17 12:43:58 PM
decriminalizing is not legalization

lol, only someone on drugs will make that mistake!


I say we make alcohol and tobacco illegal with the rest of them and decriminalize all of it.
 
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