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2013-02-17 06:24:22 AM
"I think the impact of decriminalizing, of regulating [class A drugs], of taking this activity out of the hands of organized crime, is the way to improve our society right now,"

Stupid Brits and their stupid spelling.
 
2013-02-17 07:50:59 AM
Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.
 
2013-02-17 08:02:46 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


While this is true, the ones in power now will go legit and become mainstream rich and powerful.  It will be a whole new set of crooks.
 
2013-02-17 08:31:29 AM
This is great idea. Legalizing hard drugs means that you can tax the sale of them, making money for the state. As everyone knows heroin and coke addicts have lots of disposable income and will be willing to pay that extra bit for a high.  We must also think about the side benefits of this plan, like the rise of hard drug market economy. Competition will help drive that price down so that everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want too.  This also opens vast new opportunities for Discovery Channel shows as there will be tens of millions of dollars to be made in the black market sale of untaxed drugs.
 
2013-02-17 08:45:34 AM
I'm not sure I ever want to see Bath Salts legalized. I just want to see us put the hurt on South America in general with all the cocaine imports.
 
2013-02-17 08:49:33 AM

WTF Indeed: Competition will help drive that price down so that everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want too


Everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want.

Not everyone who takes drugs are drooling and fiendish. Were you joking?
 
2013-02-17 08:50:31 AM
EvilEgg:
While this is true, the ones in power now will go legit and become mainstream rich and powerful.  It will be a whole new set of crooks.

Organized crime bosses aren't like Dr. Evil, they don't pull one crazy plan and retire after the big payoff.  They are more like #2, constantly working on investments leading into long term payoffs that will out weigh the risk, building the biggest conglomerate they can.  Just like organized bosses only they get caught.  Don't mistake mainstream rich and powerful as law-abiding, they just leave the 'crime' off the business cards.

WTF Indeed:

That was nice snark.  It really touched me.
 
2013-02-17 08:51:48 AM
Oh, snark.
 
2013-02-17 08:52:23 AM

8ace: Everyone can be a drooling drug fiend if they want.

Not everyone who takes drugs are drooling and fiendish. Were you joking?


Economics, man!  Get that price down so the general public can experiences the joys of heroin twitches.  The rich have known that joy for far too long.
 
2013-02-17 08:55:50 AM

WTF Indeed: Economics, man!  Get that price down so the general public can experiences the joys of heroin twitches.  The rich have known that joy for far too long.


Yes, yes. I get it
 
2013-02-17 09:06:41 AM
I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.
 
2013-02-17 09:12:14 AM

8ace: I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.


Being it's Europe, how long did you spend in jail?
 
2013-02-17 09:18:09 AM
£200 for possession of A and £100 for B.

£300 for solicitor/lawyer, 10 separate days of work. Six months of back and fourth to police stations while waiting for forensics results of what i had, twice in court because prosecution service f'd up.

All in a days work for drug fiends like me
 
2013-02-17 09:22:43 AM
off work
 
2013-02-17 09:25:54 AM
So you're complaining because you're out 600 pounds, and it inconvenienced you for half a year? Guess what? You knowingly did something illegal and paid what amounted to a slap on the wrist. In America, you'd be getting anally raped by a Klan member for a year.  How about you accept responsibility for your own actions, Mr. Family man who enjoys snorting lines of a coke when he's out on the town.
 
2013-02-17 09:30:09 AM
Klan member? I thought you only disproportionately locked-up African American people on minor charges.
 
2013-02-17 09:40:25 AM
I like you  WTF Indeed: You look like the late Ryan Dunn. That's not a bad thing, buddy
 
2013-02-17 09:42:45 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


Guns too. But you forgot something there--legalizing and regulating drugs will not stop organized crime, but leaders of organized crime will have massive avenues of legitimate income, which only serves to legitimize them.


i915.photobucket.com

You know what comes after legitimate business success.  And if you think nepotism is at a vulgar high in politics now, just wait until the cartels start floating candidates out.

/q&d
//facetious hyperbole
 
2013-02-17 09:55:22 AM

8ace: Klan member? I thought you only disproportionately locked-up African American people on minor charges.


Specifically African American women.
 
2013-02-17 10:01:15 AM

Bontesla: Specifically African American women.


OK, I'll do the time.
 
2013-02-17 10:01:20 AM

WTF Indeed: So you're complaining because you're out 600 pounds, and it inconvenienced you for half a year? Guess what? You knowingly did something illegal and paid what amounted to a slap on the wrist. In America, you'd be getting anally raped by a Klan member for a year.  How about you accept responsibility for your own actions, Mr. Family man who enjoys snorting lines of a coke when he's out on the town.


I'm pretty sure advocating for a change in policy because one felt that policy was unjust IS a great example of responsibility.

In the US, that would satisfy the legal requirement of having a dog in that legal fight which would allow him to sue the government.
 
2013-02-17 10:12:55 AM

Bontesla: I'm pretty sure advocating for a change in policy because one felt that policy was unjust IS a great example of responsibility.

In the US, that would satisfy the legal requirement of having a dog in that legal fight which would allow him to sue the government.


No, advocating a change in policy is not personal responsibility, if that was the case NAMBLA would be filled with up-standing citizens. And just because one thinks they should be able to do keys bumps on their weekend off from work does not meet the requirement of drug laws being a violation of civil rights.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:56 AM

WTF Indeed: keys bumps on their weekend off from work does not meet the requirement of drug laws being a violation of civil rights


Alcohol being legal is the kicker in your belief of drug laws. Alcohol will f**k your family up. It's legal. Gambling too. Play the lottery?
 
2013-02-17 10:43:58 AM

cman: The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.


Of course, but we'd stop wasting resources on tackling organized crime WRT class A drugs.

BUT THAT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION TO MY UTOPIAN IDEAL SO LET'S NOT CHANGE A THING FOR THE BETTER
 
2013-02-17 10:48:51 AM
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2013-02-17 10:52:20 AM
Prohibition doesn't work.
You'd think we would have learned that.

But no.

Medical treatment, education, these things work.

So what, 8ace wanted to get responsibly farked up. I like to once every year or two also.

Does that make us evil?
 
2013-02-17 10:55:08 AM

EvilEgg: While this is true, the ones in power now will go legit and become mainstream rich and powerful.  It will be a whole new set of crooks.


You don't know many of them I take it.
 
2013-02-17 10:55:46 AM
obvious tag trumps hero tag.
 
2013-02-17 10:56:02 AM
Yes, because once it is available by prescription, there will be no more illegal usage of the drugs.
Brilliant.
 
2013-02-17 10:57:09 AM

8ace: £200 for possession of A and £100 for B.

£300 for solicitor/lawyer, 10 separate days of work. Six months of back and fourth to police stations while waiting for forensics results of what i had, twice in court because prosecution service f'd up.

All in a days work for drug fiends like me


Is it going to lead to never being able to get a job ever again like it would have in America?
 
2013-02-17 10:58:32 AM
Organized crime? Chit!
That would be your government.
a gang o politicians
Lyin' and lyin' and lyin' again
 
2013-02-17 10:58:54 AM

EvilEgg: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

While this is true, the ones in power now will go legit and become mainstream rich and powerful.  It will be a whole new set of crooks.


Like the Kennedys?  Indeed.
 
2013-02-17 10:59:02 AM

EvilEgg: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

While this is true, the ones in power now will go legit and become mainstream rich and powerful.  It will be a whole new set of crooks politicians.

FTFY

 
2013-02-17 10:59:12 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.


I don't know why you're reading it that way.  It explicitly states the taking of drugs away from organized crime control, not that this will eliminate organized crime.
 
2013-02-17 10:59:19 AM

citizenj: Prohibition doesn't work.
You'd think we would have learned that.

But no.

Medical treatment, education, these things work.

So what, 8ace wanted to get responsibly farked up. I like to once every year or two also.

Does that make us evil?


just makes you human
 
2013-02-17 11:00:52 AM

cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.


Yeah, but it removes a large revenue stream, allowing them less money with which to entice recruits and fund their mayhem.

Think of Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas. They can do so because of a vast oil revenue stream. If that revenue stream dried up, they'd have a lot less ability to entice recruits and fund their mayhem.
 
2013-02-17 11:01:29 AM

thamike: [i915.photobucket.com image 503x320]


drewblood.com
 
2013-02-17 11:03:08 AM
Won't SOMEBODY think of all those poor DEA agents who will lose their jerbs!?!

//oh wait, this is Britain.  They might have a chance at reasonable drug policy discussions.
///I'm a child of the 80's when the drug war got ramped up to WHARGARBLE and beyond levels.
////They taught us there were shady people looking to sell us heroin and crack on every street corner, and for some reason they always wore trenchcoats (I guess it helps carry more drugs?)
////All our DARE material had "America: Drug free by 2000" as a footnote on the bottom right corner.
//Sorry, I spoiled that footnote in 97 and haven't looked back
 
2013-02-17 11:03:39 AM
Banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs, yet the same dumbass liberals who call for stripping gun rights are almost always pro drug legalization. They even go as far as exploiting dead children - using them as props in the state of the union - to support this position, but you'll never hear them say a word about how much damage drugs do to children in this country. Absolute scum of the earth.
 
2013-02-17 11:03:46 AM
I don't know if this applies to coke, but I've seen a suggestion that governments hand out free heroin to addicts who come forward and ask for it. Suddenly dealers don't have addicts to sell to and they have to get a different gig. If there's no dealers because there's free heroin then why are the criminal elements going to shoot at each other to control the heroin trade?

In short order you have few new addicts because there's no dealers offering it to start people up. And you have fewer OD's because the addicts you do have are shooting up with known concentrations.

Pot, OTOH, was criminalized for imagined sins by the same sort of people who got alcohol criminalized and the Klan.
 
2013-02-17 11:08:44 AM
Organized crime won't evaporate, but it will lose a very large source of income and, yes, shrink. You take away a business's major income stream and the business will shrink. Criminal organizations aren't immune to the laws of supply and demand.
 
2013-02-17 11:10:27 AM
We need to take the distribution and manufacturing of these dangerous drugs away from organized crime and put it into the hands of a more benevolent and responsible group of people.... big pharma.
 
2013-02-17 11:10:42 AM

cman: The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.


Organized crime WILL exist as long as there is people and crime. One thing you can do though is make it as hard as possible for said organized criminals to get funds. One way of doing this is to find the things they get funds from (one case is black market drugs) and supply those to the public cheaper than the black market and at reliably better quality.

A case in point, alcohol and prohibition in america in the 1920s.

It was simply not possible to put enough police on the job to ensure that every little alcohol stream was eradicated and eventually, to protect the health of the public and to get rid of a funding source for organised crime, alcohol had to be legalized, taxed and sold publicly in shops.

The criminals then moved on to other money making schemes, of course, but they had much less disposable income to fund the setting up of those other schemes and their income overall was reduced.

Doing something is better than doing nothing. You can`t do everything so give up on that right now.
 
2013-02-17 11:11:07 AM
Legalize drugs and prostitution.  We did it for gambling!  Starve the black market out.  The problem is: The powers that be WANT THERE TO BE A BLACK MARKET AND 'WAR ON SCARY THINGS'.
 
2013-02-17 11:11:22 AM
<xsl:choose>
<xsl:when test="DrugOfChoice = ClassA">
No free govt healthcare for you.
</xsl:when>
<xsl:otherwise>
Don't do Class A drugs
</xsl:otherwise>
</xsl:choose>
 
2013-02-17 11:11:37 AM

8ace: I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.


How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.
 
2013-02-17 11:13:46 AM

JungleBoogie: Saudi Arabia funding terrorists and madrassas


www.madrasrecipe.com
Saudi Arabia funds curries?
 
2013-02-17 11:16:06 AM

Glancing Blow: cman: Preemptive strike on the inevitable direction of this thread:

The argument that organized crime will evaporate if we legalize drugs is complete horse shiat. Organized crime will exist as long as there is crime. They will just move onto other money making endeavors.

I want drugs legalized because I like them. I aint gonna bullshiat about that.

I don't know why you're reading it that way.  It explicitly states the taking of drugs away from organized crime control, not that this will eliminate organized crime.


So organized crime is not going to sell drugs to people who can't, or won't get a prescription?
Or they won't undercut the prices on the legal drugs.

I think that is a very naive view.
 
2013-02-17 11:16:34 AM

liquidpoo: 8ace: I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


How about just not using the internet? Seems easy enough to me.
 
2013-02-17 11:17:56 AM

liquidpoo: 8ace: I submitted this purely for selfish reasons. I spent most of last year dealing with, and being convicted of, possession of class A and B drugs. In a bar with 0.4 grams of 5% cocaine which I hadn't touched. Subsequent search of my home led to discovery of trace amounts of grass (which i had touched) in empty baggies. I'm not a drug addict but I went out last year and bought sh*t coke and got busted. I smoke a joint about once a month. I'm a family man who had a weekend off and it led to the worst year of my life.

I believe a review of drug policy is badly needed.

How about just not doing drugs? Seems easy enough to me.


How about just drinking water and living on a vegan macrobiotic diet and conforming to every expectation others have of you and limiting your entire freakin life to someone else`s judgement on what you should experience?

Or, you know, living a bit? Seems easy enough to me.
 
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