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(ESPN)   Ottawa Senators owner: "Get that dirty S.O.B. Matt Cooke out of the league NOW"   (espn.go.com) divider line 50
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2013-02-17 08:54:58 AM
Melnick is not well known for the use of his "filter",  between this and the small-time ticket thing (Sen's season ticket holders have been invited to purchase extra single game seats at a discount, on the condition they don't re-sell them to Leaf or Hab fans. If they do, the might lose their season tickets.) the Senators have been going out of their way to get pointed and laughed at this week by everyone but Sen's fans.
 
2013-02-17 09:14:58 AM
Cry some more.
 
2013-02-17 09:15:10 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

YEAH! Kill the monster!
 
2013-02-17 09:21:32 AM
He does raise some valid points.
 
2013-02-17 09:31:13 AM

fatalvenom: He does raise some valid points.


He has one valid point, guys like Cooke don't belong in the NHL.  The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."
 
2013-02-17 09:46:44 AM
I realize there's a history with Cooke, but after watching the play I can't believe for a second that what happened to Karlsson was intentional.
 
2013-02-17 09:47:01 AM
Little man syndrome. I'm no Pens fan or Cooke supporter, but this guy has just loved flaunting his ignorance the past few days. Guilty as charged simply based on past transgressions - good thing this guy doesn't work for the justice system.

I also never trust any clown owner who can't figure out how to buy and wear a 3-piece suit. Have a little class you shiat-kicking, redneck Canadian.
 
2013-02-17 09:51:51 AM
Matt Cooke is the
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of the NHL, and we need to bring back the California
i50.tinypic.com
Team 6 to eliminate him
.
 
2013-02-17 09:54:27 AM

Flappyhead: The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."


First, the skates are sharp, like shave with sharp, way sharper than they were even just ten years ago, and every skater has two of them. It was an accident and could have happened to any player that doesn't take some basic preventive measure.  Grapes brought up taping the top of the skate, about 25 cents worth of tape and this doesn't happen.  That limits mobility a bit, and for a skater maybe a non-starter, so how about the Kevlar socks that a lot of the guys are already wearing...
Melnick is pissed he's got about $25M of his talent on the shelf right now, and Karlsson's injury was the straw there, that it was caused by another Penguin, (that's three...) at that that P was Cooke (5 suspensions...) I get why, but shut up. Eugene, calling out the player (that the LEAGUE gave a pass) you come off like a whiny child.
 
2013-02-17 09:55:42 AM
...and the biggest travesty of Melnyk popping off is that he's just given his team every excuse to shut it down for the season; to give up and pack it in. We don't have Erik. Why bother. Lost season. Disaster. The sky is falling.
 
2013-02-17 09:56:42 AM
I hate the Pens and Matt Cooke as much as anyone, but this was just one of those plays that can happen in hockey.
 
2013-02-17 10:03:33 AM
"Whether it was accidental, or whether it was reckless, or whether it was intentional, to me it doesn't matter. "

Right... because one of my guys got hurt, then one of YOUR guys needs hurt, it's only fair!  I understand nobody wants a player to go out to injury, especially one that sells tickets, but, this is a collision sport, accidents and injury will happen.

The cry of "goon" and "dirty player" have been tossed around so much, especially as knee-jerk reactions to any injury that takes out a star player, that I'm totally desensitized to them.  Especially in cases like this where the video evidence isn't all that compelling and the league hasn't acted, yet the owner is making it seem like his guy got stuck in the back with a switchblade knife in front of 8,000 witnesses and NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
 
2013-02-17 10:04:36 AM

sno man: Flappyhead: The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."

First, the skates are sharp, like shave with sharp, way sharper than they were even just ten years ago, and every skater has two of them. It was an accident and could have happened to any player that doesn't take some basic preventive measure.  Grapes brought up taping the top of the skate, about 25 cents worth of tape and this doesn't happen.  That limits mobility a bit, and for a skater maybe a non-starter, so how about the Kevlar socks that a lot of the guys are already wearing...
Melnick is pissed he's got about $25M of his talent on the shelf right now, and Karlsson's injury was the straw there, that it was caused by another Penguin, (that's three...) at that that P was Cooke (5 suspensions...) I get why, but shut up. Eugene, calling out the player (that the LEAGUE gave a pass) you come off like a whiny child.


First off tape doesn't help fark vs the skate blade. Stop being retarded. Second the socks help with shots to the feet and the occasional stomp that gets thru the leather.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't go into the corners behind a guy on ONE foot unless you intend on doing something stupid. It was reckless.

/ love the clowns talking like they played any type of checking league
 
2013-02-17 10:06:01 AM
That's how many times he's been suspended, never mind how many times he's not been suspended

My God, I just realized how many times I personally have not been suspended.  And it's a lot of times, let me tell you.
 
2013-02-17 10:12:02 AM

FreakinB: I realize there's a history with Cooke, but after watching the play I can't believe for a second that what happened to Karlsson was intentional.


Exactly.

I have a very strong dislike for most of the players on the Penguins, Cooke included.  But he's cleaned up his act in the past few seasons, and there's virtually no way I can think of where what happened to Karlsson was intentional.
 
2013-02-17 10:17:54 AM
It was intentional, lynch him!! Cooke is a scumbag.
 
2013-02-17 10:21:22 AM

4 lives down 5 to go: sno man: Flappyhead: The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."

First, the skates are sharp, like shave with sharp, way sharper than they were even just ten years ago, and every skater has two of them. It was an accident and could have happened to any player that doesn't take some basic preventive measure.  Grapes brought up taping the top of the skate, about 25 cents worth of tape and this doesn't happen.  That limits mobility a bit, and for a skater maybe a non-starter, so how about the Kevlar socks that a lot of the guys are already wearing...
Melnick is pissed he's got about $25M of his talent on the shelf right now, and Karlsson's injury was the straw there, that it was caused by another Penguin, (that's three...) at that that P was Cooke (5 suspensions...) I get why, but shut up. Eugene, calling out the player (that the LEAGUE gave a pass) you come off like a whiny child.

First off tape doesn't help fark vs the skate blade. Stop being retarded. Second the socks help with shots to the feet and the occasional stomp that gets thru the leather.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't go into the corners behind a guy on ONE foot unless you intend on doing something stupid. It was reckless.

/ love the clowns talking like they played any type of checking league


Tape would help. The skate has a very tough Achilles guard that goes up easily far enough to stop this injury. But, in a skating motion it pulls away from the ankle, which in this case left room for Cooke's skate blade between the ankle guard and his Achilles.

That said, I've never taped my ankles. I'd be uncomfortable as hell.

Why in the hell they don't wear Kevlar neck protection I'll never know.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:18 AM

sno man: Melnick is not well known for the use of his "filter",  between this and the small-time ticket thing (Sen's season ticket holders have been invited to purchase extra single game seats at a discount, on the condition they don't re-sell them to Leaf or Hab fans. If they do, the might lose their season tickets.) the Senators have been going out of their way to get pointed and laughed at this week by everyone but Sen's fans.


That whole 'don't sell tickets to Leafs and Habs fans' thing was entirely invented by the reporter who wrote that article. The email that he claimed said such a thing was basically offering season ticket holders advance sales on extra tickets and reminding them that selling their tickets violates the ticket agreement.

Just like it does in Toronto. And in Montreal. And everywhere else.
 
2013-02-17 10:49:33 AM
Here's what gets me: Even if you wanted to do this on purpose, the odds of succeeding would be very slim, given that the space between the achilles guard and the foot is very slim.  Cooke wasn't even looking in that direction when it happened.  People who are saying this was done on purpose are giving Matt Cooke WAAAAAAY more credit than he deserves as far as conniving intelligence and skating ability go.

I am a Pens fan, but I was one of the fans who hoped they would get rid of Cooke after the long suspension, and was disappointed when they didn't.  However, he did clean up his act, to the point that he was ineffective for a while- until he learned how to play hockey the right way.  I still won't be sad to see him go eventually, but I hate to see witch hunts of any kind.  Melnyk just needs to shut up now, nothing he says can change the situation at this point- he should be focusing his energy on how to help his team make it through the rest of the season instead.  Every team loses their star players at some point, and you don't hear those owners crying to the media about it.
 
2013-02-17 10:53:40 AM
Amusing?
 
2013-02-17 10:59:18 AM
Also, Melnyk is one of those guys who's an owner because he's a fan. He says some ridiculous shiat, and he doesn't care if he sounds unprofessional because he's not - the professionals are the people he hired to run the team.
 
2013-02-17 11:15:45 AM

Marcus Aurelius: That's how many times he's been suspended, never mind how many times he's not been suspended

My God, I just realized how many times I personally have not been suspended.  And it's a lot of times, let me tell you.


I'm pretty sure I've not been suspended more times than you and I haven't been kicked out of the NHL.
 
2013-02-17 11:34:56 AM

sno man: Flappyhead: The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."

First, the skates are sharp, like shave with sharp, way sharper than they were even just ten years ago, and every skater has two of them. It was an accident and could have happened to any player that doesn't take some basic preventive measure.  Grapes brought up taping the top of the skate, about 25 cents worth of tape and this doesn't happen.  That limits mobility a bit, and for a skater maybe a non-starter, so how about the Kevlar socks that a lot of the guys are already wearing...
Melnick is pissed he's got about $25M of his talent on the shelf right now, and Karlsson's injury was the straw there, that it was caused by another Penguin, (that's three...) at that that P was Cooke (5 suspensions...) I get why, but shut up. Eugene, calling out the player (that the LEAGUE gave a pass) you come off like a whiny child.


Was the Sens owner suggesting that Cooke had his skates extra sharp so that he could cut someone?

That's absurd.
 
2013-02-17 11:48:24 AM

4 lives down 5 to go: sno man: Flappyhead: The rest sounds like paranoid ravings.

"The league has its own way of working," Melnyk told TSN. "They have their job, we have our job. At the end of the day, they are responsible for this. This is a reflection on the NHL. But saying that, if they're right, they're right. We have a different view at this point.
"Over the coming weeks, we'll get to the bottom of it. ... You can't see it on camera, that's why you can't blame the league for this or anyone else. On camera you look at it, but when you look at it logically, you've got a blade that has to cut through socks, has to then cut through skin, fat, muscle, everything that protects the tendon, then cuts 70 percent of the tendon."

First, the skates are sharp, like shave with sharp, way sharper than they were even just ten years ago, and every skater has two of them. It was an accident and could have happened to any player that doesn't take some basic preventive measure.  Grapes brought up taping the top of the skate, about 25 cents worth of tape and this doesn't happen.  That limits mobility a bit, and for a skater maybe a non-starter, so how about the Kevlar socks that a lot of the guys are already wearing...
Melnick is pissed he's got about $25M of his talent on the shelf right now, and Karlsson's injury was the straw there, that it was caused by another Penguin, (that's three...) at that that P was Cooke (5 suspensions...) I get why, but shut up. Eugene, calling out the player (that the LEAGUE gave a pass) you come off like a whiny child.

First off tape doesn't help fark vs the skate blade. Stop being retarded. Second the socks help with shots to the feet and the occasional stomp that gets thru the leather.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't go into the corners behind a guy on ONE foot unless you intend on doing something stupid. It was reckless.

/ love the clowns talking like they played any type of checking league


Alternatively, they could've played it safe and used kevlar socks.
 
2013-02-17 11:49:48 AM
Disclaimer:  I'm a Sens fan and think, without a doubt, Karlsson was league MVP before the injury.   Best skater in the league, amazing to watch.
But when you watch the play in real-time, I don't think cooke had the time or talent to intentionally cut Karlsson.  No way he planned it, definitely an accident.  I don't think tape on the skates would have helped either, the skate contact was well above the boot.    Kevlar socks would have helped though.  He may have still been cut, but not nearly this bad.  I bet every player is trying them now.
 
2013-02-17 12:14:09 PM

4 lives down 5 to go: First off tape doesn't help fark vs the skate blade. Stop being retarded. Second the socks help with shots to the feet and the occasional stomp that gets thru the leather.


Cooke's skate blade would have not gotten to the Achilles with the back of the skate taped.  Cooke's skate would have slid past a taped skate. Period. As for the Kevlar sock, it likely would had prevented this too, there was not a lot of stomp motion there (mostly why the league wasn't interested in getting involved.) so not a lot of force, not probably enough to get through the Kevlar.
 
2013-02-17 12:16:51 PM

costermonger: sno man: Melnick is not well known for the use of his "filter",  between this and the small-time ticket thing (Sen's season ticket holders have been invited to purchase extra single game seats at a discount, on the condition they don't re-sell them to Leaf or Hab fans. If they do, the might lose their season tickets.) the Senators have been going out of their way to get pointed and laughed at this week by everyone but Sen's fans.

That whole 'don't sell tickets to Leafs and Habs fans' thing was entirely invented by the reporter who wrote that article. The email that he claimed said such a thing was basically offering season ticket holders advance sales on extra tickets and reminding them that selling their tickets violates the ticket agreement.

Just like it does in Toronto. And in Montreal. And everywhere else.

 
That's funny, I'd not heard that part, either way, it made for compelling radio in Toronto for a few days...
 
2013-02-17 12:25:44 PM
Holy crap, that is some serious tinfoil-hat level derpitude.

I am a Bruins fan. I hate Matt Cooke with the fire of a thousand Wolf-Rayet stars. When I'm in a bad mood, all I have to do is watch Evander Kane KO him and I feel better. I've also developed a shred of grudging respect for him after he said he was going to change the way he plays, because he did. I don't care if he genuinely felt remorse or if he just wanted to save his paycheck - he worked hard to change his habits and did a pretty good job. Given how long most of these NHL guys have been skating and playing the game, that's probably not an easy thing. These days, I don't think Cooke is any better or worse than any other player and he's actually a decent hockey player to boot.
 
2013-02-17 12:25:56 PM

sno man: That's funny, I'd not heard that part, either way, it made for compelling radio in Toronto for a few days...


Yeah I figured it was a slow news week.
 
2013-02-17 12:35:57 PM

costermonger: sno man: That's funny, I'd not heard that part, either way, it made for compelling radio in Toronto for a few days...

Yeah I figured it was a slow news week.


Next Saturday night in Ottawa should be fun and probably sold-out (there are still tickets available) with a lot of blue and white in the stands...
Holy crap, I just checked and the ACC is already sold out, to watch on the video boards. (!?!)
 
2013-02-17 01:09:00 PM
Considering the league let Bertuzzi serve a locked out season as his suspension, don't count on them actually punishing such incidents.
 
2013-02-17 02:09:49 PM
Melnyk has been calling for the ouster of players with less than stellar histories for quite some time now. So it isn't surprising that he'd say this when his best player was injured by such a player.
That being said, after watching the play Cooke wasn't intentionally trying to hurt Karlsson. Hell, even Don Cherry is defending Cooke and there's no love lost there. Popping off like this just makes Melnyk sound as butthurt as Hank Steinbrenner was when Wang got injured running the bases during interleague play a few years back.
 
2013-02-17 02:18:50 PM
As a pens fan, Cooke has had me shaking my head in the past. However, there is no head shaking regarding this incident, it's just an unfortunate accident.
 
2013-02-17 02:38:43 PM
This would have helped:

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Taping the top of the skates isn't as practical today as it was a decade or two ago... there is less mobility if you do it with today's skates. That said, why haven't skate makers addressed that? A simple flexible guard with a velcro strap would have prevented the injury without a loss in mobility.

As for Cooke, it's more likely that his skate left the ice in an effort to upend Karlsson, which is still a tad dirty, but not "attempt to end his career" dirty. Still, Cooke should bear some responsibility for his skate leaving the ice, just as any player faces responsibility when they carelessly fling their sticks around.

One thing I notice when I watch collegiate hockey games - they players are well protected, but it doesn't seem to affect the flow of the game - it just means they will likely have a full set of teeth and no bone splinters in their orbital lobes when they join the pros. Kevlar socks, face shields, ankle guards all make sense for players these days, and should not really be optional.

If a goalie can see the puck flying at them to accurately grab a puck traveling at over 100mph out of the air wearing those protective masks, why can't a center, wing or defenseman?
 
2013-02-17 02:59:55 PM

sno man: costermonger: sno man: That's funny, I'd not heard that part, either way, it made for compelling radio in Toronto for a few days...

Yeah I figured it was a slow news week.

Next Saturday night in Ottawa should be fun and probably sold-out (there are still tickets available) with a lot of blue and white in the stands...
Holy crap, I just checked and the ACC is already sold out, to watch on the video boards. (!?!)



Interesting tidbit I read/heard somewhere recently is that Ottawa apparently has the largest walk-up crowd in Canada (i.e. the most tickets available day-of). I'm not sure what that says about the fanbase, but it usually sells out (though probably not the rest of this season, now). I imagine there's about 10-15,000 season ticket holders, and another 20-100,000 that go to 2-10 games a year.

What I never understood about the Leafs games was why no one ever mentions the fact that anyone born in Ottawa before, say, 1979, probably grew up a Leafs fan. Sure, anyone raising kids here recently probably changed allegiances for their sake, but I seriously doubt the entire Leafs contingent in the stands travels for the game(s). Hell, some of them are from the two universities in town (50,000+ students total). Granted, if I had season tix, I'd probably/definitely sell half (or more) of my Leafs and Habs games to subsidize the rest of the season.

It does definitely feel like the least rabid fanbase in Canadian hockey, though. Whenever I'm there (granted, 3 Canucks games, the Bruins, and a 1-0 loss to the Devils, so not a lot of in-game mojo), it always feels like a HS dance, where everyone's just a little bit afraid to let loose. Maybe it's that section, but it never feels like there are crazy shirtless/costumed* mofos on every staircase landing, which is what I like to imagine happens in Philly.

/*I did wear a Chef's hat and a bandage on my pinky to the first game Anderson missed after slicing his hand making dinner.
 
2013-02-17 03:02:28 PM

LesserEvil: This would have helped:

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Taping the top of the skates isn't as practical today as it was a decade or two ago... there is less mobility if you do it with today's skates. That said, why haven't skate makers addressed that? A simple flexible guard with a velcro strap would have prevented the injury without a loss in mobility.

As for Cooke, it's more likely that his skate left the ice in an effort to upend Karlsson, which is still a tad dirty, but not "attempt to end his career" dirty. Still, Cooke should bear some responsibility for his skate leaving the ice, just as any player faces responsibility when they carelessly fling their sticks around.

One thing I notice when I watch collegiate hockey games - they players are well protected, but it doesn't seem to affect the flow of the game - it just means they will likely have a full set of teeth and no bone splinters in their orbital lobes when they join the pros. Kevlar socks, face shields, ankle guards all make sense for players these days, and should not really be optional.

If a goalie can see the puck flying at them to accurately grab a puck traveling at over 100mph out of the air wearing those protective masks, why can't a center, wing or defenseman?



Full cage shields are entirely unnecessary. Goalies are able to see the puck because they are constantly facing forward. They also don't have to worry about getting nailed from the side of them. Visors are already mandatory for all new players.
 
2013-02-17 03:08:47 PM

Loomy: sno man: costermonger: sno man: That's funny, I'd not heard that part, either way, it made for compelling radio in Toronto for a few days...

Yeah I figured it was a slow news week.

Next Saturday night in Ottawa should be fun and probably sold-out (there are still tickets available) with a lot of blue and white in the stands...
Holy crap, I just checked and the ACC is already sold out, to watch on the video boards. (!?!)


Interesting tidbit I read/heard somewhere recently is that Ottawa apparently has the largest walk-up crowd in Canada (i.e. the most tickets available day-of). I'm not sure what that says about the fanbase, but it usually sells out (though probably not the rest of this season, now). I imagine there's about 10-15,000 season ticket holders, and another 20-100,000 that go to 2-10 games a year.

What I never understood about the Leafs games was why no one ever mentions the fact that anyone born in Ottawa before, say, 1979, probably grew up a Leafs fan. Sure, anyone raising kids here recently probably changed allegiances for their sake, but I seriously doubt the entire Leafs contingent in the stands travels for the game(s). Hell, some of them are from the two universities in town (50,000+ students total). Granted, if I had season tix, I'd probably/definitely sell half (or more) of my Leafs and Habs games to subsidize the rest of the season.

It does definitely feel like the least rabid fanbase in Canadian hockey, though. Whenever I'm there (granted, 3 Canucks games, the Bruins, and a 1-0 loss to the Devils, so not a lot of in-game mojo), it always feels like a HS dance, where everyone's just a little bit afraid to let loose. Maybe it's that section, but it never feels like there are crazy shirtless/costumed* mofos on every staircase landing, which is what I like to imagine happens in Philly.

/*I did wear a Chef's hat and a bandage on my pinky to the first game Anderson missed after slicing his hand making dinner.


sorry for double post but Ottawa is notoriously boring. It's been called "The city that fun forgot"
 
2013-02-17 03:26:05 PM

Malcolm_Sex: Full cage shields are entirely unnecessary. Goalies are able to see the puck because they are constantly facing forward. They also don't have to worry about getting nailed from the side of them. Visors are already mandatory for all new players.



I've never played full-speed hockey (pond shinny, mostly), but the only helmet I had access to was a full-cage. I never found it to be obstructive, but I don't have the best point of comparison. Is there extra non-cage material (i.e. not mostly see-through) required to mount it to the helmet, or is the visual field the same, just full of bars? Also, why aren't the bars painted white? Seems like it would help the brain block them out.

I'd be totally fine with everyone wearing full-cage, but I understand the push-back.


W.r.t. Ottawa, I've always found it to be a "Good place to raise a family" type of city. I wasn't a student/22-yo here, so it's hard for me to vouch for bar scene, but it does seem kinda lacking. I like cycling, sailing, ultimate, skating the Canal, hockey, seeing shows at the NAC, so I'm a happy citizen, but I do struggle to entertain out-of-town guests who aren't outdoorsy: "What do you mean museums are boring? You don't want to just go have a beer and people-watch downtown? How can you NOT like Bruce Cockburn?" ........ hmm... maybe I'm boring...
 
2013-02-17 03:40:10 PM

Loomy: Malcolm_Sex: Full cage shields are entirely unnecessary. Goalies are able to see the puck because they are constantly facing forward. They also don't have to worry about getting nailed from the side of them. Visors are already mandatory for all new players.


I've never played full-speed hockey (pond shinny, mostly), but the only helmet I had access to was a full-cage. I never found it to be obstructive, but I don't have the best point of comparison. Is there extra non-cage material (i.e. not mostly see-through) required to mount it to the helmet, or is the visual field the same, just full of bars? Also, why aren't the bars painted white? Seems like it would help the brain block them out.

I'd be totally fine with everyone wearing full-cage, but I understand the push-back.


W.r.t. Ottawa, I've always found it to be a "Good place to raise a family" type of city. I wasn't a student/22-yo here, so it's hard for me to vouch for bar scene, but it does seem kinda lacking. I like cycling, sailing, ultimate, skating the Canal, hockey, seeing shows at the NAC, so I'm a happy citizen, but I do struggle to entertain out-of-town guests who aren't outdoorsy: "What do you mean museums are boring? You don't want to just go have a beer and people-watch downtown? How can you NOT like Bruce Cockburn?" ........ hmm... maybe I'm boring...


where the cage meets the helmet creates a weird blind spot almost but it's more the loss of head motion it creates. Looking to your left or right is a lot tougher with the cage and your shoulder pads. Besides, hockey players take pride in losing their teeth.
 
paj
2013-02-17 04:46:35 PM
Go back to Barbados and STFU, Gene.
 
2013-02-17 05:26:27 PM

Loomy: Malcolm_Sex: Full cage shields are entirely unnecessary. Goalies are able to see the puck because they are constantly facing forward. They also don't have to worry about getting nailed from the side of them. Visors are already mandatory for all new players.


I've never played full-speed hockey (pond shinny, mostly), but the only helmet I had access to was a full-cage. I never found it to be obstructive, but I don't have the best point of comparison. Is there extra non-cage material (i.e. not mostly see-through) required to mount it to the helmet, or is the visual field the same, just full of bars? Also, why aren't the bars painted white? Seems like it would help the brain block them out.

I'd be totally fine with everyone wearing full-cage, but I understand the push-back.


W.r.t. Ottawa, I've always found it to be a "Good place to raise a family" type of city. I wasn't a student/22-yo here, so it's hard for me to vouch for bar scene, but it does seem kinda lacking. I like cycling, sailing, ultimate, skating the Canal, hockey, seeing shows at the NAC, so I'm a happy citizen, but I do struggle to entertain out-of-town guests who aren't outdoorsy: "What do you mean museums are boring? You don't want to just go have a beer and people-watch downtown? How can you NOT like Bruce Cockburn?" ........ hmm... maybe I'm boring...


RE: painting the bars whit. Some goalies do that, but usually only on the inside of the cage. I noticed someone with it when I was still playing, and copied. I can attest that it makes a huge, huge diffrence. Especially when your league doesn't allow the cat's eye style cage most pros use.
 
2013-02-17 08:41:26 PM

FreakinB: I realize there's a history with Cooke, but after watching the play I can't believe for a second that what happened to Karlsson was intentional.


It's a case of  Ndamukong Suh  syndrome; Matt Cooke doesn't get the benefit of the doubt due to his past actions, and any current or future actions that Cooke takes which lead to the injury of the opposing player will be viewed as suspect until proven accidental. It sucks for Cooke, but he brought this upon himself by being an agitator who didn't mind targetting the heads of other players.

For the record, I agree with you - I whole heartedly believe that this is an unfortunate accident. It may have been careless on Cooke's part, but not malicious or intentional.

/Sen's fan since 1995.
//Melnyk ... argh. I'm glad we have financial stability in our ownership. Mental stability... erm. That's still in question.
 
2013-02-18 12:18:14 AM
says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...
 
2013-02-18 09:40:27 AM

kptchris: says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...


let us not forget tuomo ruutu.. or that I beleive it was Peter Regins skate that cut Dion phaneufs leg open for stitches, or marian hossa stick that collided with Bryan Berards eye.

Melnyks rant makes the team seem mickey mouse, like their mom is going to get involved.

/Ottawa native, not a sens fan.
// Go Leafs Go
 
2013-02-18 04:38:58 PM

kptchris: says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...




Allow me to list Chris Neil's suspensions:
 
2013-02-18 09:50:33 PM
It sure looked like he meant to get his skate on the leg, I'm sure he didn't intend to actually cut through a tendon.

I still hope that every season ending injury Cooke has inflicted on others happens to him, all in one game.
 
2013-02-18 10:07:13 PM

costermonger: kptchris: says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...

Allow me to list Chris Neil's suspensions:


Because you're not a dirty player unless you get suspended right?
 
2013-02-19 10:16:09 AM

Flappyhead: costermonger: kptchris: says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...

Allow me to list Chris Neil's suspensions:

Because you're not a dirty player unless you get suspended right?


Think his blank supplemental discipline record makes it kind of obvious he's not the same kind of player as Matt Cooke.
 
2013-02-19 01:31:26 PM

costermonger: Flappyhead: costermonger: kptchris: says the jackass who pays Chris Neil to be on his team. What's good for the goose...

Allow me to list Chris Neil's suspensions:

Because you're not a dirty player unless you get suspended right?

Think his blank supplemental discipline record makes it kind of obvious he's not the same kind of player as Matt Cooke.


Dear God do we need to re-hash the number of times players have skated on what should have been a suspension?
 
2013-02-19 01:54:32 PM

Flappyhead: Dear God do we need to re-hash the number of times players have skated on what should have been a suspension?


Oh, it happens, but if you want to paint Neil and Cooke with the same brush, you kind of have to back it up with something other than vague allusions to dirty hits & plays. Cooke has a lengthy suspension history, a five minute highlight reel of knee-on-knees and other assorted cheap shots, etc. Neil has a few big hits that got fans of the opposing team all up in arms (Buffalo & Anaheim in 2007, NYR in 2012) but the biggest punishment he's ever been given was a game misconduct.

You don't have to like Neil or players like him, but they're not what Cooke is. Fans of 29 teams generally agree on this point.
 
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