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(DNA Info)   Bowling alley bouncer claims he was fired for protesting racist dress code. That's right, a bowling alley with a bouncer and a dress code. Spare me   (dnainfo.com) divider line 95
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2013-02-17 07:33:58 AM
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2013-02-17 07:57:56 AM
That's certainly one way to frame an argument.
 
2013-02-17 09:46:48 AM
"Every Friday and Saturday I have to deal with your people," Bowell allegedly said to Stinney, according to the complaint.

- Strike one.

"You know what I mean, Black and Latino People."  - Strike two and three.

What a turkey.
 
2013-02-17 10:24:56 AM

Spare me


*pins subby down in the gutter to extract an apology*
 
2013-02-17 10:26:16 AM
    you are fired sir....turn in your shoes and exit the premises.
 
2013-02-17 10:28:05 AM
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2013-02-17 10:33:04 AM
I can see a bouncer at a bowling alley. There is alcohol and late hours involved.

What's odd is one of my thrift stores having a bouncer.
 
2013-02-17 10:33:53 AM
I don't have a problem with the dress code. Don't dress like a gangster and you can bowl all you want.
 
2013-02-17 10:34:59 AM
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Was the dress code similar to this?  Seems reasonable.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:05 AM
if there are lots of gangs in the area it could be the guy is trying to avoid trouble. i've seen more than one longtime family fun business close permanently after a gang related shoot-out.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:48 AM
STFU

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2013-02-17 10:37:17 AM
A nightclub manager being a douchebag?  I'm shocked!  Just shocked, didn't know that could ever happen.  Good on this bouncer, too much of this behavior gets swept under the rug.
 
2013-02-17 10:39:39 AM

wildcardjack: I can see a bouncer at a bowling alley. There is alcohol and late hours involved.

What's odd is one of my thrift stores having a bouncer.


Poor people steal
 
2013-02-17 10:41:37 AM
His place, his rules. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in America. I see it on a daily basis. However, while racism may be alive and well, no one talks like the quotes in the article. I call BS on the bouncer. If the owner wants to prohibit those clothing styles prefered by gang members, he can do so. The nationality of the offender isn't in question, the motives behind the wardrobe are.
 
2013-02-17 10:42:23 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: I don't have a problem with the dress code. Don't dress like a gangster and you can bowl all you want.


If I want to bowl in a nice Italian silk suit I should be able to.  Some people like to dress nice when they go out - if some gangsters have the same sense of propriety as I do I shouldn't be punished for it.
 
2013-02-17 10:42:31 AM
But for God's sake, don't let a baby on an airplane.

/fark logic
 
2013-02-17 10:44:50 AM
My bowling alley has a dress code, too. Pants are mandatory.
 
2013-02-17 10:45:14 AM

Glancing Blow: STFU

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  Lower your flags and march straight back to England,stopping at every home you pass to beg forgiveness for one hundred years of theft,rape and murder...Do that and your men shall live..Do it not and everyone of you will die today..
 
2013-02-17 10:45:45 AM

Trance354: His place, his rules. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in America. I see it on a daily basis. However, while racism may be alive and well, no one talks like the quotes in the article. I call BS on the bouncer. If the owner wants to prohibit those clothing styles prefered by gang members, he can do so. The nationality of the offender isn't in question, the motives behind the wardrobe are.


The owner let in a white person wearing the 'banned' clothing.
 
2013-02-17 10:45:58 AM
All the things he banned are general signs of thuggery and douchebaggery. If one or two particular races fit that description, said races could perhaps NOT dress that way and get in anyway. Unless said bouncer feels his race can only dress a certain way, at which point he is more guilty of racism then the owner of the bowling alley.
 
2013-02-17 10:46:24 AM
I know this place!!!

About 10 years ago they made a major upgrade to bowling alley in the bus station to high-class lounge with a bowling alley  please ignore the bus station.Everyplace in NYC has a dress code.
 
2013-02-17 10:48:45 AM
Those of you who have never been to New York City take note of the following:

"HELL'S KITCHEN - A former bouncer at a bowling alley and bar in the Port Authority Bus Terminal"

This isn't your local Bowl-a-Rama.
 
2013-02-17 10:49:22 AM
Lots of "allegedly" in this.  Sounds like he got mouthy with the manager and got canned.  Of course it was racism.  It can't be any fault of the employee, it never is.  *rolls eyes*
 
2013-02-17 10:49:29 AM

naz-drala: wildcardjack: I can see a bouncer at a bowling alley. There is alcohol and late hours involved.

What's odd is one of my thrift stores having a bouncer.

Poor people steal


No, rich people more often steal. "Scientific studies contradict the notion that poor people are more likely to act unethically out of financial necessity. Instead, scientists find the 'relative independence' and 'increased privacy' of the wealthy make them more likely to act unethically."  Here's a link to one study: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/rich-people-_n_1305008.html
 
2013-02-17 10:54:35 AM
Did he make guest pull up their pants?


/DNRTFA
//still think that is the most asinine 'style' ever invented
 
2013-02-17 10:55:44 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: Psycoholic_Slag: I don't have a problem with the dress code. Don't dress like a gangster and you can bowl all you want.

If I want to bowl in a nice Italian silk suit I should be able to.  Some people like to dress nice when they go out - if some gangsters have the same sense of propriety as I do I shouldn't be punished for it.


You are obviously a shot caller.  Your patronage is beneficial.  It's those lousy foot soldiers that have bad juju.
 
2013-02-17 10:56:35 AM
No, now a bowling alley with a bouncer and a dress code; a thinly veiled mob/drug house front with a bouncer and a dress code.
 
2013-02-17 11:01:50 AM

naz-drala: wildcardjack: I can see a bouncer at a bowling alley. There is alcohol and late hours involved.

What's odd is one of my thrift stores having a bouncer.

Poor people steal

survive
 
2013-02-17 11:05:21 AM
This is what I wear when I go bowling.
www.directoryofboston.com
 
2013-02-17 11:16:34 AM
They have run many Bowling alleys out of California.
I blame the Three Strikes laws...
 
2013-02-17 11:19:03 AM
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2013-02-17 11:20:32 AM

EngineerBob: They have run many Bowling alleys out of California.
I blame the Three Strikes laws...


   good thinking under that EngineerBob cap!
 
2013-02-17 11:20:58 AM
Many, many bars post rules such as 'pants must be securely fastened at the waist', and either 'no ballcaps' or 'ballcaps must face forward' etc. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Call me racist, but it's blacks who are racist against other blacks...'why you speak proper?" "why you actin' white"?

Fact is, it's the subset of black folk that pride themselves on gangsta culture. Disagree? You're the idiot. Fact is, many black kids get mocked relentlessly at school or wherever else by other blacks. The reason? They speak english well, they dress mainstream, etc...they get accosted in the hallways "why you actin' white?" Get that? Speaking proper English is ACTING WHITE. That's hilarious. No, it's quite sad and a symptom of the vicious cycle of the insidious 'gangsta culture' that's flourishing. Have you seen Chicago's murder rates? Black on black crimes and murders? Did you see the black guy dressed in a KKK costume with the fact that waaaay less black folk were killed by the KKK than have been senselessly killed by other blacks just in Chicago ALONE?

If this guy wants to step up and reduce his chances of allowing people who fit stereotypes (when was the lat time a gang member was caught wearing Khakis?) into his family establishment so be it. Go somewhere else and endanger your life. Maybe Chicago?
 
2013-02-17 11:23:17 AM
FTFA: barring baggy jeans, work boots, sweatpants, jerseys, bandanas, shorts, cargo pants, tank tops and oversized jewelry
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The guy on the right is clearly "ghetto." He has 4/9.
 
2013-02-17 11:24:07 AM

destardi: Many, many bars post rules such as 'pants must be securely fastened at the waist', and either 'no ballcaps' or 'ballcaps must face forward' etc. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Call me racist, but it's blacks who are racist against other blacks...'why you speak proper?" "why you actin' white"?

Fact is, it's the subset of black folk that pride themselves on gangsta culture. Disagree? You're the idiot. Fact is, many black kids get mocked relentlessly at school or wherever else by other blacks. The reason? They speak english well, they dress mainstream, etc...they get accosted in the hallways "why you actin' white?" Get that? Speaking proper English is ACTING WHITE. That's hilarious. No, it's quite sad and a symptom of the vicious cycle of the insidious 'gangsta culture' that's flourishing. Have you seen Chicago's murder rates? Black on black crimes and murders? Did you see the black guy dressed in a KKK costume with the fact that waaaay less black folk were killed by the KKK than have been senselessly killed by other blacks just in Chicago ALONE?

If this guy wants to step up and reduce his chances of allowing people who fit stereotypes (when was the lat time a gang member was caught wearing Khakis?) into his family establishment so be it. Go somewhere else and endanger your life. Maybe Chicago?


Is it Sunday already?
 
2013-02-17 11:32:14 AM
An argument could be made that the baggy clothes and oversized jewelry are a danger to yourself and other bowlers. I don't want an uncoordinated twit in baggy pants or with a bandanna over his forehead swinging around a 12-pound ball in his greasy fingers. What if something slips? What if the bandanna slides down over his eyes and he throws the ball the wrong way? What if his massive jewelry gets caught in the swing and he hurls it across the alley, where it strikes a little girl who is on a bowling trip with her Brownie troop, blinding her and scarring her for life? What then, mister baggy pants? WHAT THEN?!?!
 
2013-02-17 11:35:57 AM

destardi: Fact is, many black kids get mocked relentlessly at school or wherever else by other blacks. The reason? They speak english well, they dress mainstream, etc...they get accosted in the hallways "why you actin' white?" Get that? Speaking proper English is ACTING WHITE.


[citation needed]
 
2013-02-17 11:42:06 AM
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"
 
2013-02-17 11:47:49 AM

ZeroCorpse: An argument could be made that the baggy clothes and oversized jewelry are a danger to yourself and other bowlers. I don't want an uncoordinated twit in baggy pants or with a bandanna over his forehead swinging around a 12-pound ball in his greasy fingers. What if something slips? What if the bandanna slides down over his eyes and he throws the ball the wrong way? What if his massive jewelry gets caught in the swing and he hurls it across the alley, where it strikes a little girl who is on a bowling trip with her Brownie troop, blinding her and scarring her for life? What then, mister baggy pants? WHAT THEN?!?!


THIS. All it takes is one moron, regardless of race/colour/creed, to ruin it for everyone. Someone tries to bowl in inappropriate clothing and ends up smacking another patron in the head with a 12 lb bowling ball.
 
2013-02-17 11:48:57 AM

Trance354: His place, his rules.


Not really, no.  Your place of business is not a kingdom where you get to exclude Jews or gays or Republics.

Not even gay Jewish Republicans.
 
2013-02-17 11:49:41 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the point of TFA.

The bouncer doesn't seem to have much of a problem with the dress code.  His problem seems to be the rules are enforced selectively.  That is, if you're a white guy wearing forbidden attire, you get a pass; if you're black, you don't.
 
2013-02-17 12:01:44 PM

eraser8: I think a lot of people are missing the point of TFA.

The bouncer doesn't seem to have much of a problem with the dress code.  His problem seems to be the rules are enforced selectively.  That is, if you're a white guy wearing forbidden attire, you get a pass; if you're black, you don't.


I think a lot of people didn't read the article.  It would spoil the fun of coming here to vent how they saw saw some black guys on tv and were frightened and confused by their choice of attire.
 
2013-02-17 12:07:39 PM

atomicmask: All the things he banned are general signs of thuggery and douchebaggery. If one or two particular races fit that description, said races could perhaps NOT dress that way and get in anyway. Unless said bouncer feels his race can only dress a certain way, at which point he is more guilty of racism then the owner of the bowling alley.


In the 70's it was no Afros or dressing like a "pimp", even though most pimps dressed in suits. In the 80's it was no track suits  shoes with no laces, or gold chains. In the 90's it was no baggy pants, TImberlands, or cornrows. Now, its this. It doesn't matter what black people wear. They will just change the rules, again. Lets stop pretending this is something other than it is.
 
2013-02-17 12:09:46 PM

atomicmask: All the things he banned are general signs of thuggery and douchebaggery. If one or two particular races fit that description, said races could perhaps NOT dress that way and get in anyway. Unless said bouncer feels his race can only dress a certain way, at which point he is more guilty of racism then the owner of the bowling alley.


jonohull: Trance354: His place, his rules. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in America. I see it on a daily basis. However, while racism may be alive and well, no one talks like the quotes in the article. I call BS on the bouncer. If the owner wants to prohibit those clothing styles prefered by gang members, he can do so. The nationality of the offender isn't in question, the motives behind the wardrobe are.

The owner let in a white person wearing the 'banned' clothing.


This was mentioned in the article, and then jonhull pointed it out.  The dress code in and of itself is fine as long as it is enforced no matter what the person's race is, but when it's selectively enforced and it seems like it depends on the person's race, that's a problem.
 
2013-02-17 12:11:29 PM

AgentKGB: ZeroCorpse: An argument could be made that the baggy clothes and oversized jewelry are a danger to yourself and other bowlers. I don't want an uncoordinated twit in baggy pants or with a bandanna over his forehead swinging around a 12-pound ball in his greasy fingers. What if something slips? What if the bandanna slides down over his eyes and he throws the ball the wrong way? What if his massive jewelry gets caught in the swing and he hurls it across the alley, where it strikes a little girl who is on a bowling trip with her Brownie troop, blinding her and scarring her for life? What then, mister baggy pants? WHAT THEN?!?!

THIS. All it takes is one moron, regardless of race/colour/creed, to ruin it for everyone. Someone tries to bowl in inappropriate clothing and ends up smacking another patron in the head with a 12 lb bowling ball.


Aww Jesus Christ. You pussies are scared of out-of-control bowling balls? Smh. And these are the same people who complain about being checked by the TSA. Folks who are scared of everything have more of a negative effect on the world than the religious and the greedy, combined.
 
2013-02-17 12:12:09 PM

47 is the new 42: atomicmask: All the things he banned are general signs of thuggery and douchebaggery. If one or two particular races fit that description, said races could perhaps NOT dress that way and get in anyway. Unless said bouncer feels his race can only dress a certain way, at which point he is more guilty of racism then the owner of the bowling alley.

jonohull: Trance354: His place, his rules. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in America. I see it on a daily basis. However, while racism may be alive and well, no one talks like the quotes in the article. I call BS on the bouncer. If the owner wants to prohibit those clothing styles prefered by gang members, he can do so. The nationality of the offender isn't in question, the motives behind the wardrobe are.

The owner let in a white person wearing the 'banned' clothing.

This was mentioned in the article, and then jonhull pointed it out.  The dress code in and of itself is fine as long as it is enforced no matter what the person's race is, but when it's selectively enforced and it seems like it depends on the person's race, that's a problem.


+1, that's the reason we're reading this story.
 
2013-02-17 12:20:20 PM

destardi: Many, many bars post rules such as 'pants must be securely fastened at the waist', and either 'no ballcaps' or 'ballcaps must face forward' etc. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Call me racist, but it's blacks who are racist against other blacks...'why you speak proper?" "why you actin' white"?

Fact is, it's the subset of black folk that pride themselves on gangsta culture. Disagree? You're the idiot. Fact is, many black kids get mocked relentlessly at school or wherever else by other blacks. The reason? They speak english well, they dress mainstream, etc...they get accosted in the hallways "why you actin' white?" Get that? Speaking proper English is ACTING WHITE. That's hilarious. No, it's quite sad and a symptom of the vicious cycle of the insidious 'gangsta culture' that's flourishing. Have you seen Chicago's murder rates? Black on black crimes and murders? Did you see the black guy dressed in a KKK costume with the fact that waaaay less black folk were killed by the KKK than have been senselessly killed by other blacks just in Chicago ALONE?

If this guy wants to step up and reduce his chances of allowing people who fit stereotypes (when was the lat time a gang member was caught wearing Khakis?) into his family establishment so be it. Go somewhere else and endanger your life. Maybe Chicago?


Its always funny how many white Farkers have first hand knowledge of "black-on-black" conversations. I'm wondering how the savage black people you're talking about even realized that anther black guy was speaking "white" when they had a genuine white peron standing right there. I figured they'd be too busy whipping your white ass for being white to notice how a black person was speaking. I mean, you've got a white person who hates black people standing RIGHT THERE. Why waste time picking on another black kid? From everything I read on Fark, you should have been robbed, raped and left for dead. But for some peculiar reason they spared your life. Sounds like they had more control than you give them credit for.


/puzzling
 
2013-02-17 12:23:47 PM

cretinbob:


Hey Cretinbob are you in Portland? This is Cretintony from LA.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:36 PM

destardi: Many, many bars post rules such as 'pants must be securely fastened at the waist'


This guy wouldn't get in. Pants are not fastened AT the waist, just held up from there.
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2013-02-17 12:41:26 PM

47 is the new 42: The owner let in a white person wearing the 'banned' clothing.


FTA:
barring baggy jeans, work boots, sweatpants, jerseys, bandanas, shorts, cargo pants, tank tops and oversized jewelry.

According to the complaint, Stinney and his fellow bouncers stopped a white patron from coming into the club on Dec. 8 because he was wearing construction boots

True.  The point?  Not necessarily the spirit of the banning.

For example, I have a pair of doc martin "construction" boots.  Black leather that shines up really well. I was very often allowed when others were turned away, not because of the boots, but because of the state of them.

Work boots that are spattered with paint and concrete and cow shiat?  That's the typical meaning of "work boots".

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There is a distinct difference between the two sets of boots and representative of the kind of clientele a club is within it's rights to seek to please.  Not saying it's the case here, but it very well could be.

If the bouncer wants to create a suit based on racism, he should go for that.
But it sounds like he does not have one.  The black guy was at one point hired by the man, and that indicates more that the guy isn't as racist.  Add to that his highly variable work history, one would have to look at how it comes to be he job hops so much.

He tried to let people in without proper ID.  That alone would be worthy of a shiat-canning in a place where they serve alcohol.

To me it sounds as if he was actively trying to regulate who came in, instead of, and in spite of, following the intent of the dress code.
 
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