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2013-02-17 05:18:33 AM  

NephilimNexus: lordargent: Um

I heard "baby dolls" and my mind went straight to EGL.

I will now attempt to steer this thread toward the proper direction.
// my work here is done

I believe the Nipponese refer to this as "Gothic Lolita" ... but I could be wrong (haven't been keeping up on my smut knowledge enough).


You are correct!

/Give that Farker a ceegar!
 
2013-02-17 05:25:05 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, well I'm trying to be a bad influence : )


That's is why I have you favorited ;)
 
2013-02-17 05:32:51 AM  

Smgth: tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: Maybe it's the lateness of the hour or the dilaudid, but I am CRAZY lost...

It's alright maybe it's just me but whats a dilaudid ?

A hardcore narcotic pain killer derived from morphine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromorphone

Oh right, I've heard the word but don't normally see it spelled out. Knew some people that really liked them so why are you on them if I may be so nosy and ask?

I have fibromyalgia. A particularly stubborn case. And I have since I was 16. I was on fentanyl until recently, but it's 400$ a month w/o insurance, which I no longer have. So my dr gave me METHADONE, which was...strange, since I didn't know it was used that way. But my new dr hates methadone, so I've been on dilaudid for a few weeks.


Oh, sorry that really sux, I've had two friends with it and know it's not easy. Hope the pain meds help.
 
2013-02-17 05:40:25 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: Maybe it's the lateness of the hour or the dilaudid, but I am CRAZY lost...

It's alright maybe it's just me but whats a dilaudid ?

A hardcore narcotic pain killer derived from morphine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromorphone

Oh right, I've heard the word but don't normally see it spelled out. Knew some people that really liked them so why are you on them if I may be so nosy and ask?

I have fibromyalgia. A particularly stubborn case. And I have since I was 16. I was on fentanyl until recently, but it's 400$ a month w/o insurance, which I no longer have. So my dr gave me METHADONE, which was...strange, since I didn't know it was used that way. But my new dr hates methadone, so I've been on dilaudid for a few weeks.

Oh, sorry that really sux, I've had two friends with it and know it's not easy. Hope the pain meds help.


They're better then nothing. Sometimes they help, sometimes they aren't enough. But without them life would be VERY unpleasant. If pain were the ONLY symptom I'd be pretty happy though.

/Thanks tho ;)
 
2013-02-17 06:32:43 AM  
NephilimNexus: I believe the Nipponese refer to this as "Gothic Lolita"

That would be what the G and L stand for in EGL :P
 
2013-02-17 07:56:41 AM  
How the hell does a thread like this happen while I'm sleeping?
 
2013-02-17 08:27:18 AM  

HaveBeerWillTravel: What the hell just happened to the mobile site?!


Those Memphis Blues again.
 
2013-02-17 08:41:02 AM  

Smgth: NephilimNexus: lordargent: Um

I heard "baby dolls" and my mind went straight to EGL.

I will now attempt to steer this thread toward the proper direction.
// my work here is done

I believe the Nipponese refer to this as "Gothic Lolita" ... but I could be wrong (haven't been keeping up on my smut knowledge enough).

You are correct!

/Give that Farker a ceegar!


Which, btw, isn't the same thing at all as 'lolicon'.
 
2013-02-17 08:44:16 AM  

ciberido: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: LDM90: Relatively Obscure: I thought they looked alright.  *shrug*  I don't care for the makeup and costume, but they don't seem all that physically unattractive to me.

This is Fark. Everyone is ugly and I stopped liking your favorite band two albums ago.

F*ck you, I stopped liking my favorite band before they released their first album!

Seems like a really shiatty use of a time machine!

I was really drunk, and I could only make one trip.

Did you AT LEAST do the 'nasty in the pasty'?!

[www.onlocationvacations.com image 371x240]
Did you say 'do the nasty in the pastry'?


No, s/he said "pasty":

ichef.bbci.co.uk

/Does look all hot and inviting though.
//The slut.
 
2013-02-17 09:01:35 AM  
What, no love for Carroll Baker?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-17 09:09:29 AM  
BAH! All you Farkers talking about the glory days of goth make me hate being so young. Apparently, the goth scene here was pretty good for a while (The Castle in Ybor/Tampa was supposed to be pretty good), but I'd say it died just before I was old enough to really appreciate it.

That being said, it seems like the industrial scene is starting to pick up the slack.
 
2013-02-17 09:10:08 AM  

iron de havilland: ciberido: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: LDM90: Relatively Obscure: I thought they looked alright.  *shrug*  I don't care for the makeup and costume, but they don't seem all that physically unattractive to me.

This is Fark. Everyone is ugly and I stopped liking your favorite band two albums ago.

F*ck you, I stopped liking my favorite band before they released their first album!

Seems like a really shiatty use of a time machine!

I was really drunk, and I could only make one trip.

Did you AT LEAST do the 'nasty in the pasty'?!

[www.onlocationvacations.com image 371x240]
Did you say 'do the nasty in the pastry'?

No, s/he said "pasty":

[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 608x344]

/Does look all hot and inviting though.
//The slut.


Hmm... And women are supposed to cover their nipples with those, right?
 
2013-02-17 09:22:21 AM  
So...whores. Great.
 
2013-02-17 09:30:20 AM  
Am I the only one who thought, "So this is what juggalos look like in bizarro world?"
 
2013-02-17 09:44:32 AM  

red5ish: lordargent: I heard "baby dolls" and my mind went straight to EGL.

My first thought was about the Ukrainian nut jobs that are trying to look like Barbie and succeeding to a disturbing degree.
Valeria Lukyanova, the living Barbie (right), and Anastasiya Shpagina, the Anime Girl (left). They are scary looking.
[img843.imageshack.us image 640x489]


yes. scary looking.  you gotta have that.  yes.  i'll be in my bunk...under the blankets...being scared and all.
 
2013-02-17 09:58:18 AM  

iron de havilland: ciberido: Did you say 'do the nasty in the pastry'?

No, s/he said "pasty":

[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 608x344]

/Does look all hot and inviting though.
//The slut.


25.media.tumblr.com
Ohhhhhh.  I see.  "Pasty" is British English for "empanada."  Those are very, very popular in Chile, and other parts of South America.
 
2013-02-17 10:00:26 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: Smgth: GranoblasticMan: LDM90: Relatively Obscure: I thought they looked alright.  *shrug*  I don't care for the makeup and costume, but they don't seem all that physically unattractive to me.

This is Fark. Everyone is ugly and I stopped liking your favorite band two albums ago.

F*ck you, I stopped liking my favorite band before they released their first album!

Seems like a really shiatty use of a time machine!

I was really drunk, and I could only make one trip.

Did you AT LEAST do the 'nasty in the pasty'?!

If by that you mean molest myself when I was a child, yes.

/It certainly explains why I have so many issues
//Like why I'd use my only trip in a time machine to molest myself as a child
///Ouroboros

Ethically, CAN one molest one's self? If so, wouldn't EVERY masturbator be a serial molester? By the time you touch yourself, the nerve impulses from your brain have triggered in the past, so you're ALWAYS touching the past you....

/Time travel is fraught with ethical quandaries, but I think we've hit on a new one.
//Could be a scholarly paper in this...

There was a movie about that or a short movie anyway. Guy meets himself and well...



Let's face it.  Most guys WOULD have sex with themselves (if sexual orientation weren't an issue).
 
2013-02-17 10:16:30 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: As for Andrew, I can't see how you can be an anti-Goth when that's generally the only people who listened to and purchased his music! He calls himself "Not Goth" and denies he ever influenced the Goth scene, yet he made this music video! Sisters of Mercy - Body and Soul (as well as numerous other examples)


Thanks for the Sunday morning laugh and memories.  1980's goth videos never fail to amuse.  I used to love Sisters of Mercy back in the late 80's and early 90's and even managed to catch them live a couple of times in 1991 when he was in full on Vision Thing mode, which, despite his pathetic claims otherwise, was one one hell of a goth show.  I don't know who he was ever kidding (other than his amphetamine addled self that is).
 
2013-02-17 10:25:23 AM  
Blacks in whiteface? Isn't that racist?
 
2013-02-17 10:46:45 AM  

Lee451: Blacks in whiteface? Isn't that racist?


Context dear.
 
2013-02-17 12:43:12 PM  

Smgth: Andrew...is a complicated person. I guess he didn't like being buttonholed? It was some kind of backlash. Which is silly to turn on the people who MADE you, but Metallica certainly did, and made out like bandits to boot. I guess he can't accept his status as god father of goth. I mean, an argument COULD be made where a good deal of their music bears little in common with 'goth' music (not a lot if sax for example). But needless to say, more then enough of their stuff IS goth, they dressed and acted goth, as did all their fans.

/I wasn't going to admit it but my screen name I adapted from the one I came up with in college, originally it was 'SoMgoth'...
//Too lazy to come up with a new one, so I just pulled the vowels


Well I would always say it's more Peter Murphy who's the godfather of Goth, though I usually believe in one godfather of Goth rather than multiple spread out ones; Siouxsie Sioux for the godmother of Goth in my opinion (and not Stevie Nicks, like that movie Gypsy 83 would like us to believe, even though they got most everything else right! [plus it should only take a max of 10 - 12 hours to go from Sandusky, Ohio to NYC including gasoline/bathroom stops, not three days!]); but like Clan of Xymox who temporarily became Xymox, Andrew learns that you can't quickly go to "mainstream" and sell records! I never knew what the self backlash was for calling yourself a "Goth artist" or being labeled that way by other people, they still made alot of money from it! (they probably didn't think that some of those houses and unlimited cars "owned" by rappers shown on MTV were actually rentals, just making the "crib" look good, and those Goth artists said "Not enough money for me!")

Nice college name btw, for mine I just used my early yahoo email and it seems to stick out even more these days, considering how jobs are and money getting harder to come by. :)
 
2013-02-17 12:58:56 PM  

Ikam: DarkSoulNoHope: As for Andrew, I can't see how you can be an anti-Goth when that's generally the only people who listened to and purchased his music! He calls himself "Not Goth" and denies he ever influenced the Goth scene, yet he made this music video! Sisters of Mercy - Body and Soul (as well as numerous other examples)

Thanks for the Sunday morning laugh and memories.  1980's goth videos never fail to amuse.  I used to love Sisters of Mercy back in the late 80's and early 90's and even managed to catch them live a couple of times in 1991 when he was in full on Vision Thing mode, which, despite his pathetic claims otherwise, was one one hell of a goth show.  I don't know who he was ever kidding (other than his amphetamine addled self that is).


Andrew's anti-Goth outbursts was his Amphetamine Logic! ;-)

I am only 31 and started out in the scene in late 99 to early 2000, but if I was a little older I probably would have really enjoyed it around the mid to late 90s. You already had most of the Goth music still in print on CDs (as a DJ, I still haven't embraced the labtop DJ movement!); the Cybergoth scene hadn't taken over the clubs yet (were just beginning to when I started clubbing at Albion/Batcave in NYC); Faith and the Muse, Switchblade Symphony, London After Midnight (Sean wasn't yet in HIS anti-Goth phase yet and I saw/met him at Limelight in 2000!), and other bands I adore were putting out new albums and still playing in concert at Goth events and didn't take a backseat to EBM or electronica; and I probably was more likely to secure a DJ spot with my embrace of the older tunes. (instead of having to cringe each false advertising of a flier that says "Goth, Industrial, EBM, 80s, Electronica" while the promoter who made it knows full well there will be very little (if at all) Goth or 80s music and very much Electronica and EBM and a few Industrial songs!) I guess I liked it better when people didn't pretend the floor was sticky all the time!
 
2013-02-17 01:43:13 PM  
That is really awesome tradition. And the thread is exactly what I expected.

/You know, if we're doing a pron thread, writing off ageplayers just sounds dumb, there's some hot shiat out there in that category.
//...Not that I'd know or anything...
 
2013-02-17 03:50:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Andrew's anti-Goth outbursts was his Amphetamine Logic! ;-)

I am only 31 and started out in the scene in late 99 to early 2000, but if I was a little older I probably would have really enjoyed it around the mid to late 90s. You already had most of the Goth music still in print on CDs (as a DJ, I still haven't embraced the labtop DJ movement!); the Cybergoth scene hadn't taken over the clubs yet (were just beginning to when I started clubbing at Albion/Batcave in NYC); Faith and the Muse, Switchblade Symphony, London After Midnight (Sean wasn't yet in HIS anti-Goth phase yet and I saw/met him at Limelight in 2000!), and other bands I adore were putting out new albums and still playing in concert at Goth events and didn't take a backseat to EBM or electronica; and I probably was more likely to secure a DJ spot with my embrace of the older tunes. (instead of having to cringe each false advertising of a flier that says "Goth, Industrial, EBM, 80s, Electronica" while the promoter who made it knows full well there will be very little (if at all) Goth or 80s music and very much Electronica and EBM and a few Industrial songs!) I guess I liked it better when people didn't pretend the floor was sticky all the time!


CSB .  I can't say that I've thought much about the genre for about 15 or so years, but I did certainly enjoy it up until the early to mid 90's, and still like breaking out the old Siouxsie/Joy Division/Sisters, etc. records (yes, records) on occasion.
 
2013-02-17 04:13:21 PM  

Ikam: CSB . I can't say that I've thought much about the genre for about 15 or so years, but I did certainly enjoy it up until the early to mid 90's, and still like breaking out the old Siouxsie/Joy Division/Sisters, etc. records (yes, records) on occasion.


For me I keep telling myself "Oh, I'll grow out of it" or think, "One day I might become "more Jewish" and join the Orthodox Jews in Lakewood and never think about the deterioration of the scene again", but it never happens, I keep going back to what I enjoy in terms of clothing and music and thoughts. I had a girlfriend at one point up until two years ago who started getting tired of me being that way, got a new Hipster boyfriend, then she later became tired of the Goth scene itself and became a Hipster (Am I bitter much?! :-D ) When I can't hear it inside a club, I play it at home or in my car or put headphones on and I wear it everywhere. I got some vinyl records to, especially of Lords of the New Church, gotta find a better record player for it though! Either I'll turn into one of those "still Goth after 50" types or eventually I'll "grow out of it" but I am enjoying the ride right now (I just wish I could find a club that would have the guts to play some slow tunes more than just once in a while, like from Dead Can Dance or The Cranes that I could flow to :-P ), no matter what happens in the future.
 
2013-02-17 05:06:50 PM  
jso2897: Yes, you've cut right to the heart of the matter. It's all about the systematic oppression of white people in this country, and the egregious double standards our poor, unfortunate, pale asses are subjected to.
Oh, ok, so what you are saying is that it is all cool to play on a double standard as long as when someone challanges you on it you can throw down the race card and say "because, that's why". Did you even read the article? The whole thing was based off of racial divides that were laced with double standards. Everyday people face challanges of all kinds because of double standards. Most people work to overcome them and change the way people use them. They are especially challenging and frustrating when they are based on race. But from what you said, as long as you have the race card to use, then, hey, because that's why makes it ok.
 
2013-02-17 05:20:47 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Ikam: CSB . I can't say that I've thought much about the genre for about 15 or so years, but I did certainly enjoy it up until the early to mid 90's, and still like breaking out the old Siouxsie/Joy Division/Sisters, etc. records (yes, records) on occasion.

For me I keep telling myself "Oh, I'll grow out of it" or think, "One day I might become "more Jewish" and join the Orthodox Jews in Lakewood and never think about the deterioration of the scene again", but it never happens, I keep going back to what I enjoy in terms of clothing and music and thoughts. I had a girlfriend at one point up until two years ago who started getting tired of me being that way, got a new Hipster boyfriend, then she later became tired of the Goth scene itself and became a Hipster (Am I bitter much?! :-D ) When I can't hear it inside a club, I play it at home or in my car or put headphones on and I wear it everywhere. I got some vinyl records to, especially of Lords of the New Church, gotta find a better record player for it though! Either I'll turn into one of those "still Goth after 50" types or eventually I'll "grow out of it" but I am enjoying the ride right now (I just wish I could find a club that would have the guts to play some slow tunes more than just once in a while, like from Dead Can Dance or The Cranes that I could flow to :-P ), no matter what happens in the future.


Sadly DCD has become an easy listening/new age parody of themselves.   I made the mistake of wandering over to the park to see them last summer, thankfully I didn't pay for a ticket, because the show was just straight up bad on all levels, which is sad because I still like some of their older music quite a bit, but damn is that new albums of theirs a huge stinker.   Bands that get older don't have to do that.   I saw The Descendants and Iggy Pop last summer too, and they were both amazing.
 
2013-02-17 06:45:11 PM  

Ikam: Sadly DCD has become an easy listening/new age parody of themselves. I made the mistake of wandering over to the park to see them last summer, thankfully I didn't pay for a ticket, because the show was just straight up bad on all levels, which is sad because I still like some of their older music quite a bit, but damn is that new albums of theirs a huge stinker. Bands that get older don't have to do that. I saw The Descendants and Iggy Pop last summer too, and they were both amazing.


Yeah, it never made me happy after I bought that new album, sounded like bland crap with no meaning. Unlike Dead Can Dance playing A Passage In Time which has much more meaning today than it did back then (and you can dance to it!)

It seems to have happened to many of the good Goth/Darkwave bands of old, that alot of older Goth bands (thankfully not all) have turned into a parody of themselves. Clan of Xymox turned into mainly electronica and even changes the lyrics of their old songs (especially "Louise", which instead of that beautiful, droning, "calling out to the thing that caused me pain" Looouuiiiissseee, at the end; it turned into a unintelligible lyric rant during live shows, which I can't figure out what he's saying cuz those lyrics aren't in the original!), London After Midnight changing from a Goth band (with probably the most beautiful and probably stereotypical Goth song, "Sacrifice") to Sean Brennan's version of Rage Against The Machine mixed with elements of VNV Nation (plus he now claims that the band members who were with him for years on end had no contributions to the music and were just a "live band") with his most recent album, Gene Loves Jezebel splitting itself among the twin brothers and now has legal American names and British names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Loves_Jezebel (link to the story) of the band for each separate brother, Tina Root (which I have a theory, based on YouTube videos of interviews that she wasn't really Goth at all, just a nice looking/sounding singer who was more of a Valley Girl and somehow fell into the scene) of the Goth/Trip Hop duo Switchblade Symphony creating a band called "Tre Lux" playing really bad covers of other bands songs (like Depeche Mode) and even bad renditions of a few of her Switchblade Symphony songs (according to prior interviews, she was apparently upset that people of the Goth scene were the only ones buying her music and she wanted to "expand her horizons" [which I guess means, drop your partner and do bad cover songs instead of anything really new and interesting!]), and I am sure numerous examples of other Goth bands turning into crap! (like The Cure, but they're forgiven because Smith got better and then put out Disintergration! :-D )
 
2013-02-17 10:38:29 PM  

ciberido: iron de havilland: ciberido: Did you say 'do the nasty in the pastry'?

No, s/he said "pasty":

[ichef.bbci.co.uk image 608x344]

/Does look all hot and inviting though.
//The slut.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x476]
Ohhhhhh.  I see.  "Pasty" is British English for "empanada."  Those are very, very popular in Chile, and other parts of South America.


Probably in Portugal and Spain too, where empenadas originated.

Pasties are popular in the US too. If you're a yooper.

/And those crazy Americans call scones "biscuits". The fools.
 
2013-02-18 12:15:44 AM  

iron de havilland: And those crazy Americans call scones "biscuits". The fools.


I know you're trolling, because you've pulled that crap before.  If I hadn't previously marked you down for biscuit trolling in other threads, I'd have to give you at least a 7/10.

For the rest of you, scones and biscuits are completely different things that happen to bear a passing resemblance.  You should really try both.
 
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