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2013-02-16 09:08:49 PM  
So I'll just keep eating eggs fried in buttery bacon grease as usual.
 
2013-02-16 09:34:51 PM  
Eggs Are Unhealthy

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YOU'D BETTER RUN, EGG!
 
2013-02-16 09:37:34 PM  
I was waiting for them to say exercise is bad for you
 
2013-02-16 09:39:00 PM  

Amos Quito: So I'll just keep eating eggs fried in buttery bacon grease as usual.


That's basically what the article says you should do. Although, apparently you may want to avoid toast with that.
 
2013-02-16 09:40:17 PM  
Well, things look good for breakfast tomorrow!
 
2013-02-16 09:40:51 PM  
this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.
 
2013-02-16 09:41:10 PM  
The lie that Ax body spray smells good needs to be in there somewhere.
 
2013-02-16 09:41:13 PM  
Bottom Line:

Eating food causes DEATH!
 
2013-02-16 09:44:14 PM  

dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.


Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.
 
2013-02-16 09:44:54 PM  
Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.
 
2013-02-16 09:46:02 PM  

SpdrJay: Bottom Line:

Eating food causes DEATH!


100% of people who eat, die.

Think about that before hopping in bed with big food.
 
2013-02-16 09:47:09 PM  
Alternate title

Countering food myths with other food myths or how I learned to stop eating carbs and love the Atkins diet.
 
2013-02-16 09:47:42 PM  
I'm calling bullshiat on the 6 meals a day thing.  Everything else is simple common sense.

/the best diet is to be too poor to afford food
 
2013-02-16 09:48:13 PM  
I was going to comment on the article, but then the full screen video with loud audio ad crashed my phone. Thanks Fark.
 
2013-02-16 09:48:33 PM  
12. io9 is a good place to get health information.
 
2013-02-16 09:48:52 PM  
Don't ever tell me not to eat bread.

Bread is the only substance that is actually food. Everything else exists to give bread some variety.

Beer's okay too because it's made from the same stuff. But mostly, bread.
 
2013-02-16 09:49:20 PM  
I got as far as #3 and realized it was just that Wheat Belly nonsense.
 
2013-02-16 09:49:25 PM  
Mainstream nutrition.  Is that a thing now?
 
2013-02-16 09:49:44 PM  
The author of that article definitely has a bias towards keto/Atkins. She referenced two studies to show that low carb dieters lost more weight than low fat dieters but
1) Neither of the studies controlled for number of calories, and
2) Almost every diet meta-analysis shows that there's no big weight loss difference between diets and calories are more important.
 
2013-02-16 09:50:01 PM  
You can eat your eggs and bacon, just don't eat your toast/bagles/pancakes/waffles...
 
2013-02-16 09:51:56 PM  

dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.


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2013-02-16 09:52:01 PM  

This space intentionaly left blank: You can eat your eggs and bacon, just don't eat your toast/bagles/pancakes/waffles...


I hate choosing sides, so I just get them all so they won't be jealous.
 
2013-02-16 09:52:09 PM  
In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.
 
2013-02-16 09:53:09 PM  
I recall reading somewhere (Jared Diamond?) that early agrarian societies tended towards substandard nutrition, overall poorer health and earlier death than hunter-gather societies because the common people ate one type of grain as their main source of food with very little variety, while the hunter-gatherers were individually healthier because of their varied diet.  Agrarian won due to numbers and organization.

Honestly after years of back and forth nutrition advice, the only constants seem to be eat a wide variety of stuff and eat stuff that is as unprocessed as possible.
 
2013-02-16 09:54:07 PM  

This space intentionaly left blank: You can eat your eggs and bacon, just don't eat your toast/bagles/pancakes/waffles...


What most people don't realize is that bagles are amazingly terrible for you, even just dry and plain. They're denser than a drunken defensive lineman.

Bread and most carbs turn to sugar. Be sensible with it, even 'slightly better for you' versions of 'turns to pure sugar' still...turn to sugar.  It's empty calories, nutrition light compared to hearty veg/fruit.
 
2013-02-16 09:54:35 PM  
12. Vegetables are food. Actually, vegetables are what food eats.
 
2013-02-16 09:55:21 PM  
its all calories, stupids. calories incalories out. Nothing else means anything. Sometimes when I'm on a gain, I eat nothing but McDonalds dollar menu and you know why? $4 gets me 60g of protein and that's cheaper than the supermarket. And it tastes boss.  I hit LMAO two plate on cleans eating like 10 McDoubles a day. I don't care for the buns though.
 
2013-02-16 09:55:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I'm calling bullshiat on the 6 meals a day thing.  Everything else is simple common sense.

/the best diet is to be too poor to afford food


Mono is the best diet ever

/not obscure
 
2013-02-16 09:56:30 PM  
Eggs Are Unhealthy

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MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
 
2013-02-16 09:57:13 PM  
I knew most of these.

The biggest key is that in general, the more processed a food is, the less you should be eating it. Pasteurization is important and obviously, cooking for many things is important. We were told about the food pyramid as kids, and that's basically what you  should try to follow. Don't overdo it, and use balance.Things like chips and desserts should always be kept in the minority.
 
2013-02-16 09:57:58 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.


Sure, stuffing your face with (sweetened) chocolate would be bad for you (because of the sugar).  But bread and other complex carbohydrates actually are quite bad for you.  As the article points out, humans have evolved to eat mainly protein, fat, and simple carbohydrates (those found in vegetables).  When you eat high carbohydrate foods your blood sugar will rise and your body produces a surge of insulin to lower it.  Insulin instructs cells to store fat, which is the primary mechanism through which one gains weight.  Eating a strict low carbohydrate diet will result in weight loss because fat won't be stored.  The total caloric intake actually isn't that important.

I'm on a strict low carbohydrate diet to control reactive hypoglycemia (high protein, high fat).  Despite eating about 2500 calories a day, I have actually lost weight (I'm not overweight and am not trying to lose weight).  It's really not that complicated, and I'm amazed that people think low carbohydrate dieting is a fad when humans have eaten low carbohydrate diets for tens of thousands of years.
 
2013-02-16 09:58:11 PM  
Flax seed is de-licious!
 
2013-02-16 09:58:18 PM  
Can we not just say that, for most people, moderating your sugar, sodium, and fat intake is the most important facet of your food intake?
 
2013-02-16 09:58:56 PM  
Eat reasonable meals.  Get off the damn couch every once in a while.
 
2013-02-16 10:02:23 PM  
So, basically, eat what you like, look how you like, because something or other - probably cancer or heart attack - is going to kill you one day. No one has all of the answers because not everything works for everyone.

Bottom Line: Enjoy life.
 
2013-02-16 10:03:39 PM  
That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.
 
2013-02-16 10:04:41 PM  

Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.


The diet works because people overeat carbs. Sugary drinks, candy, pastries, etc are rarely filling either so you can eat a ton of calories, but not feel full. Liquid calories are an especially big culprit in that regard. Who would have thought that when you cut out those extra large sodas you lose weight?!
 
2013-02-16 10:05:18 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?


Actually he died from head trauma.
 
2013-02-16 10:05:24 PM  
Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.
 
2013-02-16 10:07:03 PM  
Moderation in all things, even unto moderation itself.

I've had WAY too much moderation lately.
 
2013-02-16 10:07:08 PM  

Wise_Guy: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Actually he died from head trauma.


Don't bother me with facts I was on a roll
 
2013-02-16 10:09:12 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Mainstream nutrition.  Is that a thing now?


It's run by a few elite obese people.
 
2013-02-16 10:09:16 PM  

win95o: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

Sure, stuffing your face with (sweetened) chocolate would be bad for you (because of the sugar).  But bread and other complex carbohydrates actually are quite bad for you.  As the article points out, humans have evolved to eat mainly protein, fat, and simple carbohydrates (those found in vegetables).  When you eat high carbohydrate foods your blood sugar will rise and your body produces a surge of insulin to lower it.  Insulin instructs cells to store fat, which is the primary mechanism through which one gains weight.  Eating a strict low carbohydrate diet will result in weight loss because fat won't be stored.  The total caloric intake actually isn't that important.

I'm on a strict low carbohydrate diet to control reactive hypoglycemia (high protein, high fat).  Despite eating about 2500 calories a day, I have actually lost weight (I'm not overweight and am not trying to lose weight).  It's really not that complicated, and I'm amazed that people think low carbohydrate dieting is a fad when humans have eaten low carbohydrate diets for tens of thousands of years.


Listen, if you are eating so much bread that you are gaining a deal of weight then it isn't your diet.

It is the fact that you are a lazy bum who gets absolutely no exercise.

Two keys to losing weight and only two.
1. Eat sensible portions of whatever you stuff in face. Somethings are better for you(fresh fruits, veggies, etc) and somethings aren't(bacon, cheesecake, sodas) but if you eat only what fills you up and have some variety in your diet then as long as the portions are sensible sizes then you are fine.
2. Exercise. Thirty to forty minutes a day, 3-5 days a week

Boom, I just gave everyone the foolproof plan to losing weight and staying in shape.
 
2013-02-16 10:11:08 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.


The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.
 
2013-02-16 10:11:11 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Wise_Guy: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Actually he died from head trauma.

Don't bother me with facts I was on a roll



Yeah, the point is HE DIED!!! so everything he said must have been wrong.
 
2013-02-16 10:11:39 PM  

JWideman: I got as far as #3 and realized it was just that Wheat Belly nonsense.


Bingo. Grains are a fantastic source of nutrition. The author sounds like just another Paleo diet fanboy.
 
2013-02-16 10:12:18 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.


I was in college when Atkins was at its peak. I was in the dining hall one day behind a woman at the station that made sandwiches to order. I'd say she was a bit north of 350 lbs. She asked for no bread because she wasn't eating carbs and then proceeded to motion the guy to keep piling the turkey onto her plate. I'd say there was at least a pound and a half when he stopped. Then came another half pound or more of cheese.

A few minutes later I bumped into her at the drink area where she lined all the free space on her tray with multiple glasses of cranberry juice cocktail, or whatever other similar sugared up juice they had that day. I don't recall what else she'd scrounged up for her meal in the meantime. I don't think she was doing it right, nor do I think she understood what carbs are.
 
2013-02-16 10:13:18 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Wise_Guy: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Actually he died from head trauma.

Don't bother me with facts I was on a roll


If you'd chill out with the rolls, you probably wouldn't be so fat.
 
2013-02-16 10:13:37 PM  

Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.


1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.
 
2013-02-16 10:14:00 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.


Robert Atkins died from a head injury he suffered when he slipped on ice.
 
2013-02-16 10:14:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.


If being a vegan means eating french fries, corn, and bread at every meal and forgetting to eat a variety of fruits and vegetables and a variety of sources of protein together (i.e. beans and rice) then yea, being a vegan is not healthy.

My FIL is "on Atkins" and does it completely wrong. He doesn't eat grains but he eats very fatty meats or processed meats, no fish, no vegetables (other than corn/potatoes!), lots of cheese. I haven't read the Atkins manual, but I am positive that CANNOT be what it says is healthy.

So basically, any diet done wrong is unhealthy. If I were willing to give up fish and eggs then I would easily be vegan and I am not chubby, cranky, tired, malnourished, etc. For those who haven't realized it, vegetables contain fat and protein. And grains are really handy to combine with vegetables to provide a complete protein.

/that said dude, if you found something that works for you then keep on it, because in reality all of our bodies are different and what works for some does not work for all. and congratulations on becoming healthy- everyone should have the joy of feeling good.
 
2013-02-16 10:15:08 PM  

foothor: The author of that article definitely has a bias towards keto/Atkins. She referenced two studies to show that low carb dieters lost more weight than low fat dieters but
1) Neither of the studies controlled for number of calories, and
2) Almost every diet meta-analysis shows that there's no big weight loss difference between diets and calories are more important.


Controlling for the number of calories is silly.  In order for a diet to be realistic and sustainable people have to be able to eat until they are satiated.  What commonly happens on low fat diets is that people lose weight but ultimately feel starved because carb rich diet makes them hungry and they eventually cave in and eat more than before.
 
2013-02-16 10:15:43 PM  

macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.


Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.
 
2013-02-16 10:15:46 PM  
So protein, veggies and good fat and avoid sugars, grains carbs and processed crap as much as possible. That's not "fad dieting", it's common sense.

Uhm, I realize that your raging mt dew diets are forcing you to rail against common sense, but unless you are performing heavy labor, shoving huge piles of pasta, sugar and starch down your fat face is bad for most people. There is pretty much no actual nutrition there, just energy that you are just going to pack onto your ass because you are a fat lazy slug.
 
2013-02-16 10:15:57 PM  

Horse Head Bookends: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.

Robert Atkins died from a head injury he suffered when he slipped on ice.


and I am very slow.
 
2013-02-16 10:16:41 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.


Nope. 1992.
 
2013-02-16 10:17:57 PM  

spidermilk: Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.

If being a vegan means eating french fries, corn, and bread at every meal and forgetting to eat a variety of fruits and vegetables and a variety of sources of protein together (i.e. beans and rice) then yea, being a vegan is not healthy.

My FIL is "on Atkins" and does it completely wrong. He doesn't eat grains but he eats very fatty meats or processed meats, no fish, no vegetables (other than corn/potatoes!), lots of cheese. I haven't read the Atkins manual, but I am positive that CANNOT be what it says is healthy.

So basically, any diet done wrong is unhealthy. If I were willing to give up fish and eggs then I would easily be vegan and I am not chubby, cranky, tired, malnourished, etc. For those who haven't realized it, vegetables contain fat and protein. And grains are really handy to combine with vegetables to provide a complete protein.

/that said dude, if you found something that works for you then keep on it, because in reality all of our bodies are different and what works for some does not work for all. and congratulations on becoming healthy- everyone should have the joy of feeling good.


If he's eating potatoes, he definitely isn't doing it right.
 
2013-02-16 10:18:02 PM  

Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.


wat?

Whole grains are good for you. Processed grains aren't. Besides, whole grains have never been at the base- grains, minus the whole, are at the base. People have seen that and decided that they need to eat a lot of white bread, which is a problem. Seeing that and eating whole wheat bread isn't an issue, and you would be much better if you switched to whole grains entirely.
 
2013-02-16 10:18:30 PM  
Sounds about right to me.... Like the guy that got much healthier in only one month eating only fast food... By limiting his carbs and exercising a little.
 
2013-02-16 10:19:13 PM  

louiedog: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

I was in college when Atkins was at its peak. I was in the dining hall one day behind a woman at the station that made sandwiches to order. I'd say she was a bit north of 350 lbs. She asked for no bread because she wasn't eating carbs and then proceeded to motion the guy to keep piling the turkey onto her plate. I'd say there was at least a pound and a half when he stopped. Then came another half pound or more of cheese.

A few minutes later I bumped into her at the drink area where she lined all the free space on her tray with multiple glasses of cranberry juice cocktail, or whatever other similar sugared up juice they had that day. I don't recall what else she'd scrounged up for her meal in the meantime. I don't think she was doing it right, nor do I think she understood what carbs are.


There is the other problem with Americans health.

We now have three possibly four generations who are completely in the dark about how the body works in regard to the types of foods they put in their bodies.

Everyone has been told no carbs or no sugar or no eggs and they do not know how their bodies use the carbs and minerals and vitamins and sugars to survive.
 
2013-02-16 10:19:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Doktor_Zhivago: Wise_Guy: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Actually he died from head trauma.

Don't bother me with facts I was on a roll


Yeah, the point is HE DIED!!! so everything he said must have been wrong.


Damnit I'm drunk and I misremembered something I read a long time ago... Apparently the heart attack was in 2002 and didn't die.  Well if he wasn't so well lubricated by pork fat he wouldn't have slipped on that ice! It was seeping from his pores.
 
2013-02-16 10:20:00 PM  

cptjeff: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

wat?

Whole grains are good for you. Processed grains aren't. Besides, whole grains have never been at the base- grains, minus the whole, are at the base. People have seen that and decided that they need to eat a lot of white bread, which is a problem. Seeing that and eating whole wheat bread isn't an issue, and you would be much better if you switched to whole grains entirely.


I stand corrected. But I still think it's no coincidence.
 
2013-02-16 10:21:50 PM  

gadian: So, basically, eat what you like, look how you like, because something or other - probably cancer or heart attack - is going to kill you one day. No one has all of the answers because not everything works for everyone.

Bottom Line: Enjoy life.


or a stroke or diabetes. I have never really understood the 'everyone dies!' argument. I plan on dying, yes, but I don't plan on getting diabetes, losing my feet, my vision, destroying my joints from being overweight, becoming unable to walk, getting bedsores, painful infections that won't go away. It is like smokers who tell me that everyone is gonna die some day and then are unable to walk up a hill or play a game of softball. We're all going to die, but apparently they're not going to live either.
 
2013-02-16 10:23:12 PM  
All of the men in my family, going back 5 generations, have had the same body type. No matter what they eat, how they live, how active, inactive, whatever - same body type.

So fark it. I'll eat what I likes because I don't look like a male model and lost the genetic lottery. WOO!
 
2013-02-16 10:23:18 PM  

macil22: Controlling for the number of calories is silly.  In order for a diet to be realistic and sustainable people have to be able to eat until they are satiated.  What commonly happens on low fat diets is that people lose weight but ultimately feel starved because carb rich diet makes them hungry and they eventually cave in and eat more than before.


This.

That's one of the reasons that "calories in/calories out" people always annoy me. They're correct enough that you can't say they're wrong, but are missing factors that affect the in and out balance.
 
2013-02-16 10:23:21 PM  
I'm not going to lie, I lost a decent amount of weight and my blood work was perfect on a low carb diet, once I stopped absolutely stuffing my face, but that was because I couldn't eat any snack foods or food co workers brought in or milk shakes pretending to be coffee. I was still hungry all the time, but if I wanted to eat, I had to cook.
 
2013-02-16 10:23:28 PM  

Horse Head Bookends: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.

Robert Atkins died from a head injury he suffered when he slipped on ice.


he had a survivable cardiac infarction, but in falling suffered major head trauma

so yes he died of a Head Injury, but it was because a loss of body control from a heart issue

///like saying a person was killed by a Car, and ignore the drunk behind the wheel
 
2013-02-16 10:25:08 PM  

ModernLuddite: All of the men in my family, going back 5 generations, have had the same body type. No matter what they eat, how they live, how active, inactive, whatever - same body type.

So fark it. I'll eat what I likes because I don't look like a male model and lost the genetic lottery. WOO!


Whatever you gotta tell yourself.
 
2013-02-16 10:25:48 PM  

Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.


Nobody can be unbiased. The best thing to do is to get your biases out in front of you and explain the theoretical framework behind your methodologies and interpretation so that people understand your perspective. This is particularly important in nutrition with suffers from a lot of undeclared biases. And the biggest factor I think is one's own gut bacteria which ultimately dictates how things get processed and metabolized. Hence different people will react differently to different diets, and confusion reigns supreme because there is no "one size fits all" diet.

Hence saying things like "I am a fan of x-type diets" is a very useful thing to say to the audience and should be applauded rather than slammed.
 
2013-02-16 10:26:02 PM  
The problem is almost everything we eat is fake, maple syrup is not even maple syrup anymore.
 
2013-02-16 10:26:21 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.


If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gain weight.  Give you body time to adjust and you will get full when you eat high fat.  You will soon find that you probably only get hungry about once per day.  If you gain weight and keep getting hungry it means you are not following the diet.
 
2013-02-16 10:26:34 PM  
Biggest health problem in the US:  Too many groceries, not enough work.

/Been preaching this since early 70's.
//Retired nutritionist.
 
2013-02-16 10:27:00 PM  

thenumber5: Horse Head Bookends: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.

Robert Atkins died from a head injury he suffered when he slipped on ice.

he had a survivable cardiac infarction, but in falling suffered major head trauma

so yes he died of a Head Injury, but it was because a loss of body control from a heart issue

///like saying a person was killed by a Car, and ignore the drunk behind the wheel


He slipped on some farking ice.
 
2013-02-16 10:27:09 PM  
Every time you read a study or what you are given as a study, post spin, or any article about  anything that's supposed to create a sense of urgency, just remember one thing.  Somebody is selling something.  Everything after that makes perfect sense.
 
2013-02-16 10:28:24 PM  
Has anyone noticed that "mainstream nutrition" has been gradually moving towards the high-fat, low-carb philosophy?  Back in the 80s/90s it was all: eat all the carbs you like, desserts are okay if they are low fat, minimize meat, eggs are really bad for you, you don't need that much protein because it usually comes with fat.  Now, it's shifting towards: limit processed carbs, try to cut out sugar, eggs are good for you, eat lots of healthy fat(olive oil, avocado), you also need a lot of protein to fill you up.

I know I'm simplifying a bit, and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone, but there has been a shift towards lower carb going on for a while.
 
2013-02-16 10:28:30 PM  

neongoats: So protein, veggies and good fat and avoid sugars, grains carbs and processed crap as much as possible. That's not "fad dieting", it's common sense.

Uhm, I realize that your raging mt dew diets are forcing you to rail against common sense, but unless you are performing heavy labor, shoving huge piles of pasta, sugar and starch down your fat face is bad for most people. There is pretty much no actual nutrition there, just energy that you are just going to pack onto your ass because you are a fat lazy slug.


I just want to point out that if you really think that grains have 'no nutrition' it is possible you don't understand why the invention of agriculture was so important. All grains contain protein. The protein is not a complete protein that provides all of the amino acids we need (like animal protein), but if you combine different grains and vegetables then you WILL have a complete protein. That is why grains and vegetables CAN provide a healthy diet, just like meat and vegetables CAN provide a healthy diet. The problem, clearly, is that people go overboard and do it wrong.
 
2013-02-16 10:29:06 PM  

macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.

If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gain weight.  Give you body time to adjust and you will get full when you eat high fat.  You will soon find that you probably only get hungry about once per day.  If you gain weight and keep getting hungry it means you are not following the diet.


Yeah I was eating less than 15 grams of carbs a day. You can get fat on a low carb diet if you eat enough calories. It's not some sort of Jesus magicking the calories away.
 
2013-02-16 10:29:26 PM  

Babbs: Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.

Nope. 1992.


Obesity rates started going up in America in the 1960s and ballooned in the 1980s.
 
2013-02-16 10:29:43 PM  
A lot of the article should be taken with a grain of salt, like the information they are trying to counter. I am amused though by all the but hurt from people when it comes to articles about this. People take news other people heard on the Internet and hold it as fact and get all bent out of shape when that information is challenged.
 
2013-02-16 10:31:34 PM  

Farnn: Has anyone noticed that "mainstream nutrition" has been gradually moving towards the high-fat, low-carb philosophy?  Back in the 80s/90s it was all: eat all the carbs you like, desserts are okay if they are low fat, minimize meat, eggs are really bad for you, you don't need that much protein because it usually comes with fat.  Now, it's shifting towards: limit processed carbs, try to cut out sugar, eggs are good for you, eat lots of healthy fat(olive oil, avocado), you also need a lot of protein to fill you up.

I know I'm simplifying a bit, and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone, but there has been a shift towards lower carb going on for a while.


And that is exactly my point. The 80's and 90's is when the obesity epidemic was starting. Too much sugar, whether in bread or "low fat" foods that add extra sugar to make it more appealing.
 
2013-02-16 10:31:41 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.

If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gai ...


Of course calories are not "magicked" away.  But you will eventually eat fewer calories because your body will be satiated.
 
2013-02-16 10:34:58 PM  

Babbs: Farnn: Has anyone noticed that "mainstream nutrition" has been gradually moving towards the high-fat, low-carb philosophy?  Back in the 80s/90s it was all: eat all the carbs you like, desserts are okay if they are low fat, minimize meat, eggs are really bad for you, you don't need that much protein because it usually comes with fat.  Now, it's shifting towards: limit processed carbs, try to cut out sugar, eggs are good for you, eat lots of healthy fat(olive oil, avocado), you also need a lot of protein to fill you up.

I know I'm simplifying a bit, and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone, but there has been a shift towards lower carb going on for a while.

And that is exactly my point. The 80's and 90's is when the obesity epidemic was starting. Too much sugar, whether in bread or "low fat" foods that add extra sugar to make it more appealing.


The low fat thinking actually started a lot earlier, in the 60's or so.  I only mentioned the 80's/90's because I was actually alive at the time and remember it.
 
2013-02-16 10:35:00 PM  

Jocundry: Babbs: Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.

Nope. 1992.

Obesity rates started going up in America in the 1960s and ballooned in the 1980s.


Wrong. Look it up. I was a child of the 60's and 70's. You did not see the amount of fatties you do now. It's all the processed carbs.
 
2013-02-16 10:35:18 PM  
FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..
 
2013-02-16 10:36:26 PM  

frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..


That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.
 
2013-02-16 10:36:35 PM  

frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..


I guess if you count sugar derived from corn rather than sugar derived from cane.
 
2013-02-16 10:36:37 PM  
Hey guys.. Someone told me he slipped on some ice.  12 times.  Thanks..


/fark up one time....
 
2013-02-16 10:37:38 PM  

macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.

If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gai ...

Of course calories are not "magicked" away.  But you will eventually eat fewer calories because your body will be satiated.


No, I was pretty hungry. I was just too lazy to cook.
 
2013-02-16 10:37:56 PM  

Babbs: Jocundry: Babbs: Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.

Nope. 1992.

Obesity rates started going up in America in the 1960s and ballooned in the 1980s.

Wrong. Look it up. I was a child of the 60's and 70's. You did not see the amount of fatties you do now. It's all the processed carbs.


Hence the "started going up".  You saw more back then than you saw in the 40's and 50's, but not nearly the amount that we have today.
 
2013-02-16 10:38:22 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Hey guys.. Someone told me he slipped on some ice.  12 times.  Thanks..


/fark up one time....


HE SLIPPED ON ICE MORON
 
2013-02-16 10:39:40 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Doktor_Zhivago: Hey guys.. Someone told me he slipped on some ice.  12 times.  Thanks..


/fark up one time....

HE SLIPPED ON ICE MORON


:'(
 
2013-02-16 10:40:19 PM  

Farnn: Babbs: Farnn: Has anyone noticed that "mainstream nutrition" has been gradually moving towards the high-fat, low-carb philosophy?  Back in the 80s/90s it was all: eat all the carbs you like, desserts are okay if they are low fat, minimize meat, eggs are really bad for you, you don't need that much protein because it usually comes with fat.  Now, it's shifting towards: limit processed carbs, try to cut out sugar, eggs are good for you, eat lots of healthy fat(olive oil, avocado), you also need a lot of protein to fill you up.

I know I'm simplifying a bit, and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone, but there has been a shift towards lower carb going on for a while.

And that is exactly my point. The 80's and 90's is when the obesity epidemic was starting. Too much sugar, whether in bread or "low fat" foods that add extra sugar to make it more appealing.

The low fat thinking actually started a lot earlier, in the 60's or so.  I only mentioned the 80's/90's because I was actually alive at the time and remember it.


Well, I was alive in the 60's and 70's, and the "Low Fat" trend started in the late 70's/80's.
 
2013-02-16 10:40:23 PM  
Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.
 
2013-02-16 10:40:44 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.

If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gai ...


And I cannot trust you when you say you were eating 15 grams of carbs per day.  People are not good at accurately monitoring what they eat at that level of detail, and it is too easy for someone to cheat and forget to count things.  You also likely forgot to count beer/wine in there too.  And then you didn't mention how long you were on your diet and how consistent you were.  You also don't say what your starting weight was, what your blood pressure and blood sugar were.  If you were already at a healthy weight you will not lose weight but you weight fluctuates naturally throughout the day by several pounds.

If I had to guess you tried it for a week, didn't count the ketchup, bbq sauce and croutons towards your carbs.  Then you probably drank lots of low fat milk which of course gives you lots of lactose which most people forget.  And you weighed yourself at some random time and saw that you gained 2-3 pounds vs the previous random time you weighted yourself and declared the diet a failure.
 
2013-02-16 10:41:57 PM  
The first and most destructive example of the author's bias: he decides what counts as "mainstream nutrition."
 
2013-02-16 10:43:56 PM  

BolloxReader: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

Nobody can be unbiased. The best thing to do is to get your biases out in front of you and explain the theoretical framework behind your methodologies and interpretation so that people understand your perspective. This is particularly important in nutrition with suffers from a lot of undeclared biases. And the biggest factor I think is one's own gut bacteria which ultimately dictates how things get processed and metabolized. Hence different people will react differently to different diets, and confusion reigns supreme because there is no "one size fits all" diet.

Hence saying things like "I am a fan of x-type diets" is a very useful thing to say to the audience and should be applauded rather than slammed.


I saw nothing in this article that showed the author's credentials. Why should I trust anything she wrote? Why should I trust her ability to read a study and understand data?

Why should I care if some person states they like something but doesn't try to convince me they are an authority on the subject?
 
2013-02-16 10:44:21 PM  
No competent nutritionist has said that eggs are bad for you in 20 years, they need to quit reading old ass information.  As for the rest of that article, well it's just as useless and misinformed.
 
2013-02-16 10:44:52 PM  
Brown eggs are local eggs, and local eggs are fresh!
 
2013-02-16 10:45:38 PM  

Babbs: Jocundry: Babbs: Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.

Nope. 1992.

Obesity rates started going up in America in the 1960s and ballooned in the 1980s.

Wrong. Look it up. I was a child of the 60's and 70's. You did not see the amount of fatties you do now. It's all the processed carbs.


I did look it up. That's why I wrote what I did.
 
2013-02-16 10:47:32 PM  
Farnn:

...and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone...

Why not?  Outside of genetic conditions, everyone's body is built essentially the same way and reacts to input (nutrients) the same way.  Essentially one diet should work for the vast majority of people.

Fat storage is about a lot about insulin levels and a little about calorie intake.
 
2013-02-16 10:49:06 PM  

win95o: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

Sure, stuffing your face with (sweetened) chocolate would be bad for you (because of the sugar).  But bread and other complex carbohydrates actually are quite bad for you.  As the article points out, humans have evolved to eat mainly protein, fat, and simple carbohydrates (those found in vegetables).  When you eat high carbohydrate foods your blood sugar will rise and your body produces a surge of insulin to lower it.  Insulin instructs cells to store fat, which is the primary mechanism through which one gains weight.  Eating a strict low carbohydrate diet will result in weight loss because fat won't be stored.  The total caloric intake actually isn't that important.

I'm on a strict low carbohydrate diet to control reactive hypoglycemia (high protein, high fat).  Despite eating about 2500 calories a day, I have actually lost weight (I'm not overweight and am not trying to lose weight).  It's really not that complicated, and I'm amazed that people think low carbohydrate dieting is a fad when humans have eaten low carbohydrate diets for tens of thousands of years.


Wrong way round. COMPLEX carbohydrates are the ones that are good for you. Brown rice, whole wheat, and vegetables. SIMPLE carbohydrates such as refined white flour, white sugar and fructose are the ones which are bad for you. They are absorbed quickly into the bloodstream, where they spike blood glucose. This leads to crashing later, and also prompts insulin to store energy as fat. Which in excess can result in insulin resistance (type II diabetes). Note: hypoglycemia means high blood sugar. Insulin resistance.
 
2013-02-16 10:49:07 PM  

YodaTuna: Farnn:

...and I don't think one diet necessarily works for everyone...

Why not?  Outside of genetic conditions, everyone's body is built essentially the same way and reacts to input (nutrients) the same way.  Essentially one diet should work for the vast majority of people.

Fat storage is about a lot about insulin levels and a little about calorie intake.


THIS
 
2013-02-16 10:49:49 PM  

Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.


If being a vegan ballooned up your weight you were doing it wrong.  I'm glad you found a diet that works for you, but blaming veganism is pretty bad.  You ate a shiatty vegan diet.
 
2013-02-16 10:50:01 PM  

cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.


Grain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize

(yeah, yeah, I know. Wikipedia. But that page has links to primary sources.)

From a dietary perspective, it's carbs, not fruit or vegetable.

Potatoes are a vegetable, too. Still carbs.
 
2013-02-16 10:50:15 PM  

foothor: The author of that article definitely has a bias towards keto/Atkins. She referenced two studies to show that low carb dieters lost more weight than low fat dieters but
1) Neither of the studies controlled for number of calories, and
2) Almost every diet meta-analysis shows that there's no big weight loss difference between diets and calories are more important.


That's kind of the point, though.  High-fat/protein diets leave you feeling more full, so you end up eating fewer calories overall.
 
2013-02-16 10:52:24 PM  

ensign_noname: The problem is almost everything we eat is fake, maple syrup is not even maple syrup anymore.


Sure it is. It's in the bottles that cost about 5or 6 times more than ones just labeled "Syrup".
 
2013-02-16 10:52:31 PM  

macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.

Weird, I can easily eat too many calories doing low carb. Gaining weight on low carb is just as easy as any other diet if you don't control your calories.

If you eat a diet with almost no carbs then you will not gain weight unless you are under weight.  If you switch to a high fat diet for a week and go right back to your usual routine then you will probably gai ...

And I cannot trust you when you say you were eating 15 grams of carbs per day.  People are not good at accurately monitoring what they eat at that level of detail, and it is too easy for someone to cheat and forget to count things.  You also likely forgot to count beer/wine in there too.  And then you didn't mention how long you were on your diet and how consistent you were.  You also don't say what your starting weight was, what your blood pressure and blood sugar were.  If you were already at a healthy weight you will not lose weight but you weight fluctuates naturally throughout the day by several pounds.

If I had to guess you tried it for a week, didn't count the ketchup, bbq sauce and croutons towards your carbs.  Then you probably drank lots of low fat milk which of course gives you lots of lactose which most people forget.  And you weighed yourself at some random time and saw that you gained 2-3 pounds vs the previous random time you weighted yourself and declared the diet a failure.


I didn't drink. I ate very small amounts, less than 2 or 3 oz of some sort of fibrous vegetable like celery per day. I ate meat, eggs, and some types of ultra low carb dairy like heavy cream. I did it for six months. I started at 195 lbs, got to 225, and ended at 180 lbs at 6'2". I didn't use sauces or drink soda because I'm not stupid.
 
2013-02-16 10:52:39 PM  

Rufus Lee King: That was a fascinating article. I'm excited.


You had best check the ratios in your vegetable oil.
 
2013-02-16 10:56:11 PM  

Brew78: foothor: The author of that article definitely has a bias towards keto/Atkins. She referenced two studies to show that low carb dieters lost more weight than low fat dieters but
1) Neither of the studies controlled for number of calories, and
2) Almost every diet meta-analysis shows that there's no big weight loss difference between diets and calories are more important.

That's kind of the point, though.  High-fat/protein diets leave you feeling more full, so you end up eating fewer calories overall.


You underestimate a fatty's gluttony.
 
2013-02-16 11:01:32 PM  
Yeah, but that's NOTHING compared to the lies our Government has been telling us for, oh, the last 50 years!

/if you know what I mean
 
2013-02-16 11:04:03 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.

Grain.

...


Oh yeah! So what's a tomato? Hmm??
:P
 
2013-02-16 11:04:42 PM  
Lie number 12: Anything you ever do will "save your life"

It only prolongs your life, if something else doesn't end it first.
 
2013-02-16 11:07:31 PM  

cowgirl toffee: Madman drummers bummers: cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.

Grain.

...

Oh yeah! So what's a tomato? Hmm??
:P


Biologically? A fruit. Nutritionally, a vegetable. With bacon, delicious. :-D
 
2013-02-16 11:10:26 PM  

LiteWerk: Yeah, but that's NOTHING compared to the lies our Government has been telling us for, oh, the last 50 years!

/if you know what I mean


Chemtrails, right?
 
2013-02-16 11:13:14 PM  

davidphogan: Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.

If being a vegan ballooned up your weight you were doing it wrong. I'm glad you found a diet that works for you, but blaming veganism is pretty bad.  You ate a shiatty vegan diet.


Perhaps, as I spent a year on Dr Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease diet, a very low-fat, very low-sodium vegan diet. It recommends about 10% of one's calories from fat, about 15% from protein, and the balance from carbs. That means a lot of carbs, even if one is on a reduced calorie diet. His book repeatedly emphasizes you will crave fats, fart constantly, shiat like a wildebeest, and in general be miserable for the first several months, but that all that will pass in time. It never passed for me, instead only getting worse, especially the craving for fat. I never felt satiated, even when stuffed, and my body demanded food within a few hours of every meal. Adding insult to injury was the weight gain. Over the year I went from about 195 to 213, moving from the middle of the overweight BMI range up into the obese range.
 
2013-02-16 11:14:33 PM  
FTFA:
Bottom Line: Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

Uh...no I'd say regular exercise takes the cake on that.

/liked that they debunked the protein thing though
 
2013-02-16 11:15:02 PM  

cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.


Not so much, actually.
 
2013-02-16 11:15:29 PM  
I think it's neat how we're all expert nutritionists!
 
2013-02-16 11:16:12 PM  

Jocundry: Babbs: Jocundry: Babbs: Hobo Jr.: Babbs: Anyone ever notice that the obesity epidemic actually started when the government put out that stupid Food Pyramid with whole grains as the base? It's not a coincidence.

1950 something?

The balloning of America started in the 80s and 90s. About the time fast food exploded along with frozen meals and cheap chemically pumped boxed meals.

Nope. 1992.

Obesity rates started going up in America in the 1960s and ballooned in the 1980s.

Wrong. Look it up. I was a child of the 60's and 70's. You did not see the amount of fatties you do now. It's all the processed carbs.

I did look it up. That's why I wrote what I did.


You know what else went up around the 60's and 70's?

upload.wikimedia.org
lanekenworthy.files.wordpress.com

All that extra wheat had to go somewhere...
 
2013-02-16 11:17:53 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.


grains? not really
berries, fruits, nuts seasonal even sporadic but thinks girls
large mammalian fauna = score, jerk up or cold and glaciated? just protect from predictors
lasts forever, year round availability, the hunt"s kinda fun and now it's time for games, crafts and sex
twenty hour work weeks! woo hoo!
meat! meat! meat! lots and lots of meat!
& fish, fish is good
and birds birds so many birds they would darken the sky"s, block out the sun

I miss the good old days
 
2013-02-16 11:19:54 PM  
My hipster nutritionalist was into all these rules before anyone else.
 
2013-02-16 11:22:32 PM  

Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.


Interesting that you should say that. A friend of mine who went vegan lost some weight, but he appears to be getting fatter now.

Hmmm
 
2013-02-16 11:27:16 PM  

Jocundry: BolloxReader: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

Nobody can be unbiased. The best thing to do is to get your biases out in front of you and explain the theoretical framework behind your methodologies and interpretation so that people understand your perspective. This is particularly important in nutrition with suffers from a lot of undeclared biases. And the biggest factor I think is one's own gut bacteria which ultimately dictates how things get processed and metabolized. Hence different people will react differently to different diets, and confusion reigns supreme because there is no "one size fits all" diet.

Hence saying things like "I am a fan of x-type diets" is a very useful thing to say to the audience and should be applauded rather than slammed.

I saw nothing in this article that showed the author's credentials. Why should I trust anything she wrote? Why should I trust her ability to read a study and understand data?

Why should I care if some person states they like something but doesn't try to convince me they are an authority on the subject?



According to the Googles:
Kris Gunnars - Medical Student, Certified Personal Trainer, Blogger and Health Enthusiast

Those are some impressive credentials right there- he's a medical student! Of course he knows what he's talking about!
 
2013-02-16 11:28:04 PM  
"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants"-Michael Pollan.
 
2013-02-16 11:30:02 PM  

cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.


Yes, it is. Every bit as much as wheat, barley, and other grains are. Fruits are vegetables too! Who knew?

But I believe that wheat is more common than corn in the western diet. A glance at the bread isle in any grocery store should be evidence enough. What do you suppose the ratio of corn products to wheat products in that isle is?
 
2013-02-16 11:30:24 PM  
Did anyone actually bother to look up this guy* and inspect his credentials?  (  * Yes, it is a man, an Icelandic man to be precise.)

He claims to be attending Medical School in Iceland, but he criticizes nutritionist who question his assertions because as he puts it:  "The dietitians who comment on my articles never cite any studies to prove their points. They just claim they are the only ones with credibility on nutrition, because they went to school for it.Unfortunately for them, an education is not necessary to know how to eat healthy, all that is required is Google and a functional brain."

OK then, he's an obviously an expert on nutrition since he gets his information from the internet.  You should see his girlfriend, she's a French Model.
 
2013-02-16 11:30:42 PM  
ng2810:
You know what else went up around the 60's and 70's?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x251]
[lanekenworthy.files.wordpress.com image 380x254]

All that extra wheat had to go somewhere...


More people to feed => more wheat.

You were expecting maybe quadratriticale? That would have been too much tribble.
 
2013-02-16 11:34:19 PM  
grains dont contain many nutrients? bullshiat

wheat flour is very nutricious when its freshly ground and includes the germ. (unless you have gluten allergy) commercial flour has the germ removed to extend shelf life. The most nutritious part of flour is removed , the flour is further refined and then people cry about how unhealthy "grains" are

duh
 
2013-02-16 11:34:56 PM  

Stone Meadow: Perhaps, as I spent a year on Dr Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease diet, a very low-fat, very low-sodium vegan diet. It recommends about 10% of one's calories from fat, about 15% from protein, and the balance from carbs. That means a lot of carbs, even if one is on a reduced calorie diet. His book repeatedly emphasizes you will crave fats, fart constantly, shiat like a wildebeest, and in general be miserable for the first several months, but that all that will pass in time. It never passed for me, instead only getting worse, especially the craving for fat. I never felt satiated, even when stuffed, and my body demanded food within a few hours of every meal. Adding insult to injury was the weight gain. Over the year I went from about 195 to 213, moving from the middle of the overweight BMI range up into the obese range.


I'm not familiar with his writing, but I do think it sounds like a terrible idea to go with those ideas unless a nutritionist were to tell me that's the only option I have left.

I'm a vegetarian, but not a vegan by any means (I love cheeses too much), but I do eat vegan meals a lot and generally feel great.  I also eat the living shiat out of rice, potatoes, tortillas, etc, but I also eat a ton of tofu, broccoli, beans, etc and don't live a low fat/low card life by any measure.

It really just seems like it comes down to what works for you.  Yeah, I fart a lot from all the beans and broccoli I eat, but as a big fan of Asian and Mexican food that's just an expected side effect.  At least they're not as rank as when I was eating meat with all the hot sauces and beans I eat now.
 
2013-02-16 11:36:09 PM  

my herniated disc: grains dont contain many nutrients? bullshiat

wheat flour is very nutricious when its freshly ground and includes the germ. (unless you have gluten allergy) commercial flour has the germ removed to extend shelf life. The most nutritious part of flour is removed , the flour is further refined and then people cry about how unhealthy "grains" are

duh


Well, except for commercially produced whole wheat flower.
 
2013-02-16 11:36:12 PM  
its all calories, stupids. calories incalories out. Nothing else means anything.

If you are going to use thermodynamics to rationalize why you are thin and others are fat, at least LEARN SOME THERMODYNAMICS before you talk. Calories in = food, calories out = poop, work extracted = exercise, so fat = food - poop - exercise. How many calories you shiat out depends on dozens of factors. You may be thin only because your body is inefficient and you poop most of them out.

A lot of the article should be taken with a grain of salt, like the information they are trying to counter. I am amused though by all the but hurt from people when it comes to articles about this. People take news other people heard on the Internet and hold it as fact and get all bent out of shape when that information is challenged.

That is because people define themselves with their beliefs. Say one of their founding beliefs is wrong and they will strike out at you because they see it as an attack. If you are correct and they are wrong, then they are no longer special for knowing the truth.

Well, I was alive in the 60's and 70's, and the "Low Fat" trend started in the late 70's/80's.

This
ln the 60s and 70s losing weight was done by calorie counting and little else. Dad would yell at me for cutting the fat off my meat as it was 'good for me'. The food pyramid didn't show up until much later. I was taught the 4 food groups and they were always given equal billing.

Why not?  Outside of genetic conditions, everyone's body is built essentially the same way and reacts to input (nutrients) the same way.  Essentially one diet should work for the vast majority of people.

 Umm... no. The way people's bodies handle food can be drastically different. For example, before the white man arrived, Alaskan Natives ate a diet that was 95% animal products (it was considered normal to eat a slab of fat) and 5% berries. Europeans would crap themselves to death on that diet. It is this type of thinking (that there is only 1 correct diet) that makes people think that being fat is a moral failing rather than how their body handles the diet currently believed to be healthy.
 
2013-02-16 11:36:47 PM  
Brought to you by the poultry and meat industries!

In terms of what my wife does with her successful diabetics, that article is completely FOS.
 
2013-02-16 11:38:35 PM  
Bullshiat. I drink a cup of white flour with every meal, and I'm skinnier than an ethiopian schoolgirl.
 
2013-02-16 11:40:24 PM  
i226.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 11:44:16 PM  
I changed my diet by cutting out all the hidden corn.  It's amazing how much food they sneak it into in one form or another.  High Fructose Corn Syrup, and other chemicially altered forms of corn, they're snuck into so many foods.  It's astounding.  I'm not entirely anti-corn, I like cornbread, and a good corn tortilla, but I don't want all the corn that's hidden in everything these days.

I still intake a fair amount of sugar, but I only go for real sugar, and avoid all the artificial and chemical "sweeteners".

I've ended up losing quite a bit of weight.  Part of it, I'm sure, was the giving up soda, but I've also found myself eating less, both in frequency and volume.  I still eat when I'm hungry, but I'm not as hungry as I used to be.

And I still get to eat pretty much all the same food I did before, only my lady friend is making them at home, rather than us buying things pre-made.  And it all tastes better too.

It's a fantastic diet, because it's not really a diet.  I'm not missing anything- I can pick up a soda made with real sugar if I'm craving one, and I still eat fried food - fried at home, in peanut oil- so I have no "wagon" to fall off of; it was a lifestyle change, and one for the better.  The only problem I have is not having enough belts - I've lost enough weight that my pants keep falling down without one.

//I also started using company provided cigarette breaks to take a 10 minute walk twice a workday, since I don't smoke cigarettes.  Stick to that most days, too.
 
2013-02-16 11:44:38 PM  

Gaddiel: Amos Quito: So I'll just keep eating eggs fried in buttery bacon grease as usual.

That's basically what the article says you should do. Although, apparently you may want to avoid toast with that.


DAMMIT! What am I gonna dip in the yolk then, huh? HUH?
 
2013-02-16 11:46:45 PM  
The Real Math Behind Weight Loss

I've used this as the premise behind my own weight loss since New Year's Day. I'm down 30 lbs so far, as of this morning.
 
2013-02-16 11:47:17 PM  

pxlboy: Interesting that you should say that. A friend of mine who went vegan lost some weight, but he appears to be getting fatter now.

Hmmm


In the transition from a Mediterranean-style diet to the vegan diet I did loose some weight at first, but gained it all back within a few months and then set off climbing into obesity. The problem for me was that the carbs would give me a blood sugar rush, followed by a crash, followed by OMFG I'M HUNGRY! Carbohydrates stimulate insulin production, which is very effective at storing the carbs you eat as fat in your cells, then stimulating your hunger response to eat more...rinse and repeat. Get rid of the carbs (insulin stimulus) and the yo-yo goes away, letting the fat you eat turn off the hunger response and letting your weight return to normal.
 
2013-02-16 11:47:59 PM  
This is what I know: everything tastes better if it is an endangered species. When was the last time you had a bald eagle drumstick you didn't enjoy? Even certain amphibians taste better if you know you're getting the last, or next-to-last, one on the planet.

So, by extension, one should eat corpse flower salads. You might want to ramp-up with Durian first, even though it is sadly not on the endangered list.

Everything in moderation. Let it kill you slowly.
 
2013-02-16 11:51:58 PM  
Also, catching your own food consumes a lot of calories, like trying to catch fish with your teeth or swooping in on an unsuspecting gopher whilst flying like an eagle. Obviously, catching a wheat stalk is not so energy-consuming, ergo the weight gain.
 
2013-02-16 11:53:29 PM  

cptjeff: my herniated disc: grains dont contain many nutrients? bullshiat

wheat flour is very nutricious when its freshly ground and includes the germ. (unless you have gluten allergy) commercial flour has the germ removed to extend shelf life. The most nutritious part of flour is removed , the flour is further refined and then people cry about how unhealthy "grains" are

duh

Well, except for commercially produced whole wheat flower.


if the germ is included and companies bake it right after grinding flour, then yes


on the other hand, a diet of white baguettes and jam for breakfast everyday in france works to keep them thin so who knows!

more importantly, whole wheat bread made from fresh ground flour tastes awesome.
 
2013-02-16 11:55:37 PM  

suziequzie: Gaddiel: Amos Quito: So I'll just keep eating eggs fried in buttery bacon grease as usual.

That's basically what the article says you should do. Although, apparently you may want to avoid toast with that.

DAMMIT! What am I gonna dip in the yolk then, huh? HUH?


Bacon.
 
2013-02-17 12:10:03 AM  

Hobo Jr.: exercise


I have a problem with that. I want to do more exercise but i can't find the motivation. it's a chore. I don't feel like i have more energy after. I don't enjoy it at the beginning nor after I've been doing for a while. I have a stationary bike and an elliptical in my home, but i barely use them. Doing exercises is about as interesting as doing the dishes and passing the vacuum cleaner - except that my apartment and counters look better when i do the 2 latter.

I try setting myself some objectives (usually reach X calories on the device's counters), sometimes i don't even get there before I get fed up.
 
2013-02-17 12:11:30 AM  
Got to: "Sugar, primarily because of its high fructose content  affects metabolism in a way that sets us up for rapid fat gain and metabolic disease. "


Fructose is a sugar, sugar isn't fructose. This statement is misleading. Fructose is only bad if in concentrated forms, like a syrup or many juices. Eat it as actual fruit and you're doing OK. Still though, you don't need fruit every day nor even every season.
 
2013-02-17 12:12:15 AM  

ensign_noname: The problem is almost everything we eat is fake, maple syrup is not even maple syrup anymore.


the hell you say!
 
2013-02-17 12:16:17 AM  

my herniated disc: cptjeff: my herniated disc: grains dont contain many nutrients? bullshiat

wheat flour is very nutricious when its freshly ground and includes the germ. (unless you have gluten allergy) commercial flour has the germ removed to extend shelf life. The most nutritious part of flour is removed , the flour is further refined and then people cry about how unhealthy "grains" are

duh

Well, except for commercially produced whole wheat flower.

if the germ is included and companies bake it right after grinding flour, then yes


on the other hand, a diet of white baguettes and jam for breakfast everyday in france works to keep them thin so who knows!

more importantly, whole wheat bread made from fresh ground flour tastes awesome.


Whole wheat flour includes at least a significant part of the germ, as well as the bran. If it doesn't, it can't be called whole wheat, and the FDA will start asking questions.

As for France, they generally eat a pretty balanced diet, with vegetables and everything. A little heavy on the dairy and fats, but they do portion sizes a lot better than the US does. White bread as a part of your diet won't kill ya, as long as you make up for it in other places. And the jam part probably turns their breakfast healthier than the sugary sugar and more sugar meals Americans have for breakfast.
 
2013-02-17 12:20:29 AM  
1. No, the egg yolk still does contain bad cholesterol.  For every article proving that eggs are good for you, there are 2 more claiming it's not.
2. Saturated fat does not increase your risk of heart disease.  It does, however, increase your risk for diabetes and causes weight gain, so it can't be called "good" for you.
3. The right *kind* of grains, yes, you should.  Gluten is not *bad* for the majority of the population, so all those horrible things the article talks about?  Yeah, that only applies to people with Celiac.
4. Another highly-qualified statement.  No, a lot of protein is not bad for those things.  It is bad for others.  Protein encourages cell aging, which means your entire body will get older quicker.  However, protein is also necessary in certain quantities.  So you have to play a balancing game - get enough protein to maintain your weight (and increase your muscle mass if you're working out), but don't go crazy for it.
5. Transfatty acids and saturated fats are bad for you. Mono- and polyunsaturated fats are good for you.
6. In general, yes.  There are, however, times of the day where this is detrimental.  For instance, new research shows that eating soon after 3pm causes your body to store everything eaten as fat.
7. If you get your carbs from sugars, I can see the problem with this statement...
8. they are.  in limited quantities.  and when not heated.
9. they are.
10. No, it's unhealthy because of about 50 other things, including the fact that sugar provides a direct source of fuel for cancer cells, it promotes tooth decay, and it's easily converted into fat.
11. See #5.
 
2013-02-17 12:23:27 AM  

I eat mop: ensign_noname: The problem is almost everything we eat is fake, maple syrup is not even maple syrup anymore.

the hell you say!


Pure maple syrup you buy as pure maple syrup sure is. If you're buying something that just says "syrup" on the bottle, even if it used to be maple syrup back in the day, it's repackaged HFCS.
 
2013-02-17 12:25:43 AM  

Hobo Jr.: SpdrJay: Bottom Line:

Eating food causes DEATH!

100% of people who eat, die.

Think about that before hopping in bed with big food.


When I hop into bed with food my intention isn't to eat it...
 
2013-02-17 12:26:52 AM  
It's not just processed carbs and fast food and prepackaged food.  It's all the ready entertainment that allows you to sit on your ass.  It's the HFCS that is in everything with a culture that advocates laziness.  It's the media fear that keeps soccer moms from walking to the store in an incestuous relationship with urban sprawl that leaves you nowhere to walk.
 
2013-02-17 12:32:13 AM  

Hobo Jr.: Listen, if you are eating so much bread that you are gaining a deal of weight then it isn't your diet.

It is the fact that you are a lazy bum who gets absolutely no exercise.

Two keys to losing weight and only two.
1. Eat sensible portions of whatever you stuff in face. Somethings are better for you(fresh fruits, veggies, etc) and somethings aren't(bacon, cheesecake, sodas) but if you eat only what fills you up and have some variety in your diet then as long as the portions are sensible sizes then you are fine.
2. Exercise. Thirty to forty minutes a day, 3-5 days a week

Boom, I just gave everyone the foolproof plan to losing weight and staying in shape.


WOW! Where's your Nobel Prize? Oh, you mean scientists have found multiple causes of weight gain and if you had so much as read the Fark thread where we talked about the kegal diet or whatever it's called you'd know that not everyone reacts to every food the same way?

Gee, almost like there's no such thing as a magic bullet.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:18 AM  
 
2013-02-17 12:37:13 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's not just processed carbs and fast food and prepackaged food.  It's all the ready entertainment that allows you to sit on your ass.  It's the HFCS that is in everything with a culture that advocates laziness.  It's the media fear that keeps soccer moms from walking to the store in an incestuous relationship with urban sprawl that leaves you nowhere to walk.


Eh, exercise matters, but not nearly as much as diet. I have very little problem maintaining a healthy weight even when I wind up almost entirely sedentary for weeks on end. That's bad for other reasons, and I need to be getting out more, but exercise isn't really all that important. The biggest factor in why people are fat today is that their diet is incredibly crappy, not because they aren't walking much. Plenty of fat guys on road crews or construction teams.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:39 AM  
This article is too far off the deep end, but mainstream's maniacal emphasis on grains and low-fat is pretty bad too.  Not to mention demonizing some good things, and missing the point on a few others (people who use the words "chemicals" or "toxins" fall in the this category a lot).
 
2013-02-17 12:37:50 AM  

Eps05: Hobo Jr.: exercise

I have a problem with that. I want to do more exercise but i can't find the motivation. it's a chore. I don't feel like i have more energy after. I don't enjoy it at the beginning nor after I've been doing for a while. I have a stationary bike and an elliptical in my home, but i barely use them. Doing exercises is about as interesting as doing the dishes and passing the vacuum cleaner - except that my apartment and counters look better when i do the 2 latter.

I try setting myself some objectives (usually reach X calories on the device's counters), sometimes i don't even get there before I get fed up.


My parents have an exercise bike and weights and always exercise while they watch TV (Downtown Abbey for mom, Startrek for dad). I have a dog who will literally paw until I get off my ass and walk (which helps), but I also try making upbeat playlists which makes running not torture. Also took up letterboxing which is kind of like geocaching and involves long hikes. I also turn on some upbeat music and do some weight lifting and I usually end up doing extra exercise so that I can listen to a few more songs.  If there are any active things that you enjoy at all then you should latch on and make that your exercise. I took aerobic kickboxing classes with some friends a while back and loved every minute of it.

I have done the exercise bike thing and I found it so ungodly boring and WAY too easy to just step off of it.

This might sound stupid, and keep in mind that I'm a girl, but one day last week I just searched for you-tube videos on 'how to dance' and practiced dancing for about 40 minutes which ended up being more of a work out than I thought.

If there are things that would make exercising easier for you- do them. For example, I hated running in winter because my face would get cold and hurt. I got some earmuffs, gloves, generally better running clothes and now nothing stops me from venturing out.
 
2013-02-17 12:39:20 AM  

macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

The problem with your example is that people aren't making those simple decisions like that.  There is actually little difference between eating a piece of toast and eating a piece of chocolate and as the article says, the lard itself would be fine, but combined with sugar it is not.

If someone ate lard until they were full with no sugar/carbs they would not gain weight.  It is not as simple as telling people to eat less because the sugars/carbs they are eating will make them hungry again very quickly.  Being active helps but it is unrealistic, inefficient and unnatural to expect someone to spend an hour a day running in order to maintain body weight.  People you see eating fatty foods may tend to be fatter in general but that is probably because the fat tends to come paired with sugar, burgers with bun and fried, fat/sugary ice cream etc  Also if someone doesn't eat any fat and only eats carbs they will be thin but not necessarily healthy.

Just remember next time you finish off a decent sized meal and you are craving desert... are you hungry for more meat, eggs, butter and other fat?  Probably not, you will be eating ice cream, brownies, pie, cake, etc

Obviously the article is biased by the author's opinions but there are a lot of good points in there.


right. i was astonished that my gf had extremely low cholesterol. she east fat all the time as part of low carb (no carb/mostly ketosis) diet. but her cholesterol was actually too low.  turns out, like everything else, it is sugar that is the problem. grains probably aren't as bad, but any processed sugar(net carbs) makes you fat. that is why i was expecting to hear the "Diet Soda with a tripple decker burger is stupid."  you are actually WAY better off avoiding the HFCF.  adding the soda would be like eating 20 burgers because now your body is just going to burn the soda and store the burger.

but yeah, that article was all just low carb propaganda.  of course it is all true too.. just propaganda in tone.
 
2013-02-17 12:42:32 AM  

cptjeff: Smeggy Smurf: It's not just processed carbs and fast food and prepackaged food.  It's all the ready entertainment that allows you to sit on your ass.  It's the HFCS that is in everything with a culture that advocates laziness.  It's the media fear that keeps soccer moms from walking to the store in an incestuous relationship with urban sprawl that leaves you nowhere to walk.

Eh, exercise matters, but not nearly as much as diet. I have very little problem maintaining a healthy weight even when I wind up almost entirely sedentary for weeks on end. That's bad for other reasons, and I need to be getting out more, but exercise isn't really all that important. The biggest factor in why people are fat today is that their diet is incredibly crappy, not because they aren't walking much. Plenty of fat guys on road crews or construction teams.


I agree. There are a lot of reasons why exercise is good for you (like, a LOT!), but expecting even an hour of exercising a day to fix all of your weight problems doesn't always work. Generally, exercising makes you hungry, so it is REALLY easy to counteract the very few calories you burnt while exercising with a little extra food. It gets even worse when people figure they can eat something 'special' since they exercised. The thing is you only burnt 200 calories during exercise and you are eating a 1000 calorie Baskin Robin sundae.
 
2013-02-17 12:46:06 AM  

SanjiSasuke: FTFA:
Bottom Line: Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

Uh...no I'd say regular exercise takes the cake on that.

/liked that they debunked the protein thing though


I'm going to have to argue that it's a combination of the two. A good diet works when you change the rest of your lifestyle in order to keep from falling back into bad eating habits.  Exercise is a great way to keep your mind off the foods you'd probably rather be making or eating.  They work off one another and work together to keep you healthy.
 
2013-02-17 12:51:50 AM  

spidermilk: cptjeff: Smeggy Smurf: It's not just processed carbs and fast food and prepackaged food.  It's all the ready entertainment that allows you to sit on your ass.  It's the HFCS that is in everything with a culture that advocates laziness.  It's the media fear that keeps soccer moms from walking to the store in an incestuous relationship with urban sprawl that leaves you nowhere to walk.

Eh, exercise matters, but not nearly as much as diet. I have very little problem maintaining a healthy weight even when I wind up almost entirely sedentary for weeks on end. That's bad for other reasons, and I need to be getting out more, but exercise isn't really all that important. The biggest factor in why people are fat today is that their diet is incredibly crappy, not because they aren't walking much. Plenty of fat guys on road crews or construction teams.

I agree. There are a lot of reasons why exercise is good for you (like, a LOT!), but expecting even an hour of exercising a day to fix all of your weight problems doesn't always work. Generally, exercising makes you hungry, so it is REALLY easy to counteract the very few calories you burnt while exercising with a little extra food. It gets even worse when people figure they can eat something 'special' since they exercised. The thing is you only burnt 200 calories during exercise and you are eating a 1000 calorie Baskin Robin sundae.


It's not the exercise.  It is getting your fat ass off the couch and doing something other than watching TV and eating crap food.

At least when I'm on Fark at home the worse I do is drink whiskey or rum or vodak or sometimes all three.
 
2013-02-17 12:59:30 AM  
what does boss taste like?
 
2013-02-17 01:05:29 AM  

macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Shakin_Haitian: macil22: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

And I cannot trust you when you say you were eating 15 grams of carbs per day.  People are not good at accurately monitoring what they eat at that level of detail, and it is too easy for someone to cheat and forget to count things.  You also likely forgot to count beer/wine in there too.  And then you didn't mention how long you were on your diet and how consistent you were.  You also don't say what your starting weight was, what your blood pressure and blood sugar were.  If you were already at a healthy weight you will not lose weight but you weight fluctuates naturally throughout the day by several pounds.

If I had to guess you tried it for a week, didn't count the ketchup, bbq sauce and croutons towards your carbs.  Then you probably drank lots of low fat milk which of course gives you lots of lactose which most people forget.  And you weighed yourself at some random time and saw that you gained 2-3 pounds vs the previous random time you weighted yourself and declared the diet a failure.


Wait, I thought your argument was that people can more easily follow the low carb diet because it satiates them. Now you're saying it's not easy to follow?

The bottom line is that I know several people who follow Atkins religiously and are way overweight, and got that way while on the diet.

You can make excuses all you want, it just doesn't work for everybody.

And you can't drink beer? What kind of hopeless diet is that? On my calorie reduced diet I can drink beer.
 
2013-02-17 01:07:06 AM  
Too many free radicals. Too much red meat, white bread and too many dry martinis!
 
2013-02-17 01:10:05 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: ng2810:
You know what else went up around the 60's and 70's?

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All that extra wheat had to go somewhere...

More people to feed => more wheat.

You were expecting maybe quadratriticale? That would have been too much tribble.


I thought it was the other way around?

upload.wikimedia.org upload.wikimedia.org

So...did we start to grow more food because of a rapidly rising world population?
Or did a huge increase in food production lead to a rapid rise in world population?

One thing I'm sure of: More food = more fat people.
 
2013-02-17 01:17:51 AM  
The second half of this movie pretty much explains all of this. Can't recommend it enough--

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-17 01:26:38 AM  

ng2810: Madman drummers bummers: ng2810:
You know what else went up around the 60's and 70's?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x251]
[lanekenworthy.files.wordpress.com image 380x254]

All that extra wheat had to go somewhere...

More people to feed => more wheat.

You were expecting maybe quadratriticale? That would have been too much tribble.

I thought it was the other way around?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x251] [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x188]

So...did we start to grow more food because of a rapidly rising world population?
Or did a huge increase in food production lead to a rapid rise in world population?

One thing I'm sure of: More food = more fat people.


Seems to me - could be wrong - that farking is the main cause of population growth. More food can sustain that longer, which is arguably a bad thing, but my real point is that you'd have to compare global per capita wheat production to population (as well as per capita production of other edibles) to draw useful conclusions. Otherwise it's the reverse of the pirate/ninja graph from the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

... but spaghetti is carbs, so maybe I've hit on something here...
 
2013-02-17 01:48:03 AM  
Good overall. I take issue with point six though.

When dieting it is a lot easier to shrink you stomach when you eat smaller portions spread out, and you can learn to respond to cravings with control.

Then the author goes into the old 'people evolved with lots offsting periods so fasting must be good' bullshiat. Just because X happened to cavemen does not mean we optimized for X as a species.
 
2013-02-17 01:54:06 AM  

cowgirl toffee: Madman drummers bummers: cowgirl toffee: frizzantik: FTFA: "The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat... "

Pretty sure it's corn..

That's another lie. Corn is a vegetable.

Grain.

...

Oh yeah! So what's a tomato? Hmm??
:P


Um...step 3 of a BLT?

/sounds fat
 
2013-02-17 01:55:27 AM  

BolloxReader: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

Nobody can be unbiased. The best thing to do is to get your biases out in front of you and explain the theoretical framework behind your methodologies and interpretation so that people understand your perspective. This is particularly important in nutrition with suffers from a lot of undeclared biases. And the biggest factor I think is one's own gut bacteria which ultimately dictates how things get processed and metabolized. Hence different people will react differently to different diets, and confusion reigns supreme because there is no "one size fits all" diet.

Hence saying things like "I am a fan of x-type diets" is a very useful thing to say to the audience and should be applauded rather than slammed.


This sort of thing is why I have you farkied as "a nerd after my own heart." Carry on, then.
 
2013-02-17 01:56:46 AM  

zepillin: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.

grains? not really
berries, fruits, nuts seasonal even sporadic but thinks girls
large mammalian fauna = score, jerk up or cold and glaciated? just protect from predictors
lasts forever, year round availability, the hunt"s kinda fun and now it's time for games, crafts and sex
twenty hour work weeks! woo hoo!
meat! meat! meat! lots and lots of meat!
& fish, fish is good
and birds birds so many birds they would darken the sky"s, block out the sun

I miss the good old days


Did you just have some weird cocaine-y stroke?
 
2013-02-17 01:58:33 AM  
When I check out at the grocery store with a cart devoid of any grain products, I get occasional odd glances. When my kids won't eat donuts because of the health ramifications, most people don't think anything of it. When our entire family refuses the "healthy whole grain" bread at a restaurant or party, uproar ensues.

But why? People ask, "Grains are healthy and give you necessary fiber!" and "What about the nutrients in grains?" or my favorite, "But they are low-fat!" It was surprising to me when I first learned that all the hype about grains really was just that, hype.

"Haven't people always eaten grains?" you ask? I used to think so too, heck, even the Bible mentions grains, so they must be good. Interestingly, scientific and historical research show that not only have humans not always eaten grains, but the human body is not designed to function well on grains at all!

Hang on tight, this explanation gets messy!

Regular grain consumption began a measly 10,000 years ago by most estimates. Before the Agricultural Revolution, humans had a couple hundred thousand years of not having any regular consumption of grains, (and, are you ready for this) studies show that human brain function and physical ability peaked just prior to the agricultural revolution as well.  Since the dawn of agricultural practices, archeological evidence shows a gradual but steady decline in human strength.

Grains contain Phytic Acid, a mineral blocker that prevents absorption of calcium, magnesium, iron, copper and zinc. This phytic acid is found in the bran of all grains as well as the outer coating of seeds and nuts. Even after grains became more mainstream during the agricultural revolution, grains were allowed to sit in the fields for several weeks before thrashing. This allowed the grains to be exposed to the elements and to sprout. Evidence shows that sprouting increases the content of many important vitamins, and breaks down the phytic acid. Unfortunately, grains today are not sprouted and are consumed in much larger quantities than ever before. The presence of the phytates blocks the absorption of calcium, a risk factor for osteoporosis and other bone-related problems. Unfortunately, many doctors provide a low-fat, high-fiber diet and a calcium supplement for those with osteoporosis but the calcium isn't being absorbed anyway because the phytates block its uptake.

Perhaps you noticed the general consensus among medical professionals that grains are not only healthy, but the necessary foundation of our diet (solidly nested at the base of our "food pyramid").  The trend lately is to acknowledge that processed grains are bad but to deify those "healthy whole grains" that supposedly provide the bulk of our nutrition is just 6-11 servings a day!

The sad truth is that grain consumption, especially in the the forms found today, are a blatant departure from the way humans have eaten for almost our entire history. The ability to grow and process grains more easily allowed more people to afford grain products like flour, a "luxury" previously reserved for the wealthy. The important thing to remember here is that just because humans seem to have no immediate negative effects from grains, doesn't mean our bodies can handle them or that we can function optimally while consuming them.

Besides the phytic acid which strips your body of nutrients, another serious disadvantage to grain consumption is the astronomical spike in insulin production which throws a monkey wrench in hormone production in the body. Insulin production is an important process for storing nutrients and processing glucose in the bloodstream, but our bodies simply can't handle the insulin requirements we throw at them with the carb load we consume these days.

Let's take a trip back to freshman Biology, shall we? When carbohydrates enter the body (whatever the source, be it grains, fruit, sugar, etc) they are eventually broken down into glucose. Any extra glucose floating around in the body that we are not immediately using to replenish glycogen stores is stored as fat. This is a natural response of our bodies that has allowed humans to survive for thousands of years. If we aren't using the fuel now, our bodies store it for future use in the form of fat. Unfortunately,  as we are not commonly faced with famine, we don't often get the chance to use up these stores, and the fat accumulates. If the carbohydrate consumption is excessive (milkshake anyone?) the body throws in the added bonus of cortisol and adrenaline production to handle the extra load. This whole hormonal song and dance does the tango on the body's endocrine and immune systems and creates inflammation in the body.

With the dawn of the roller mill in 1872, flour became accessible to virtually everyone, though the bran and germ were stripped out, leaving very little of the minuscule nutritional value the grain had to begin with. Surely though, as grains are the center of our diet, an important source of fiber, and a low-fat staple, the general health of the American population must have dramatically increased from this novel invention? Or not...

In the last 130 years of increased grain consumption, chronic disease rates have skyrocketed, fertility has fallen and the average weight of the population has steadily risen. The more consumption of grains rose, the more fertility rates fell. Research from the University of Missouri, the average sperm count of American males has dropped 50% since the 1930s. To add insult to impotence, testicle size tends to have an inverse relationship with grain consumption.

We have found that grains can deplete nutrients, cause weight gain and infertility, but don't they still have nutrients? Unfortunately, grains do not have the nutritional profile that all the granola-pushing commercials of late make them out to have. It makes much more sense to get your nutrients from foods like vegetables, fruits, proteins and healthy fats, which offer much higher nutrient profiles without the drawbacks.

Back to the insulin equation for a second... It is no secret that the United States is facing a very real epidemic of insulin sensitivity, Type 2 Diabetes, insulin resistence and obesity. If the corresponding rates of disease and weight gain with grain consumption over the last 130 years aren't enough to convince you, consider this: when ground into flour the surface area of a grain is increased to 10,000 times the surface area of the grain itself. The resulting high-starch food is biologically similar to consuming pure table sugar. Consider the fact that flour is often mixed with sugar to create recipes (or used to make wall-paper paste, your choice) and you have a virtual diabetic coma in a bowl (or can).

Sounds bad enough to me, but there are still a few villains left in this mystery story! Behold gluten and lectins! These two are the Bonnie and Clyde of digestive health.

Gluten is a sticky, water soluble protein that is found in your favorite grains (wheat, rye, barley, etc). Grains like corn, rice and oats have similar proteins that cause problems over time. Gluten and similar grain-based proteins work to break down the microvilli in your small intestine, eventually letting particles of your food leech into your blood stream (a lovely term called "leaky gut syndrome") causing allergies, digestive disturbances or autoimmune problems.

Gluten's sidekicks, the posse of  Lectins, are mild toxins the inhibit the repair of the GI track. Lectins are not broken down in the digestive process and bind to receptors in the intestine, allowing them and other food particles to leech into your bloodstream. Nothing like pre-digested food circulating the blood stream! The body views these lectins and the food they bring with them as dangerous invaders and initiates an immune response to get rid of them. This immune response to particles of common foods explains the allergy creating potential of grains.

Gluten and Lectin now move their destructive dance to the gallbladder. The Gall bladder releases bile salts that help break down and properly digest foods. When the intestines are damaged, the chemical responsible for starting this bile secretion is not released. Bile backs up in the gall bladder, and cholesterol that is left there crystallizes into little "stones" that are usually surgically removed with the rest of the gall bladder. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face!

These chain-reactions created by grain consumption are shown to increase your risk of:

Various cancers including, drumroll please:pancreatic, colon, stomach and lymphomaAutoimmune diseases like Hashimoto's ThyroiditisInfertilityDiabetesObesityArthritisAutismDepression, Anxiety and SchizophreniaAllergiesIt all boils down to this: Grains are not healthy and are toxic to the body. That is the way they were designed. The non-digestible proteins that wreak havoc in our system allow grains to pass un-harmed through the intestines of animals and emerge victorious and in a pile of fertilizer at the other end. Good for the grains-bad for us! Studies have shown, and I have seen in my own work with clients, that a no-grain diet can lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, reduce inflammation, promote weight loss, alleviate dermatitis or acne, end digestive disturbances like heart disease,  increase fertility and dramatically improve  energy levels.

Did she just say no-grain? That means pasta, bread, pastries, desserts, rolls, crackers, etc! (I would actually add white potatoes, corn, and any forms of "whole grains" to that list.) Say it isn't so!

Trust me, I like them too and used to live on them! From personal experience I can tell you that there is no comparison between how you feel when you don't eat grains and when you do. I realize that you like grains, probably a lot, and that your doctor probably even encourages you to eat them. I understand that the idea of giving them up might sound absurd, even impossible. I also know that giving up the grains is one of the best things you can do for your health.

Do you want to lose weight, or do you suffer from any of those medical conditions above? You can continue on the high insulin, pre-diabetes and cancer rollercoaster, or you could try cutting the grains for a couple months and let your body tell you what it thinks. (Important Note: Even a little exposure to grains every couple weeks can keep the intestines damaged, so to see improvements, you will have to completely cut grains like wheat, barley, oats, rice, rye, millet, corn etc and it also helps to limit beans and legumes)

Try it for 90 days! If you hate it, you can always go back to your carb consuming ways and live the rest of your life in bagel paradise. Instead you might discover that you feel better than you ever have, have more energy than you did as a kid and don't even want the grains anymore.

If you need help making the switch, check out some
 
2013-02-17 02:05:52 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: I was waiting for them to say exercise is bad for you


"You mean there was no deep fat?  No steak or cream pies or hot fudge?"
www.gonemovies.com
"Those were thought to be unhealthy, precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true."
 
2013-02-17 02:08:32 AM  

Hobo Jr.: SpdrJay: Bottom Line:

Eating food causes DEATH!

100% of people who eat, die.

Think about that before hopping in bed with big food.



Time to give  Breatharianism a shot.
 
2013-02-17 02:11:36 AM  
dadoody
What just happened there?

....should someone be dialing 911?
 
2013-02-17 02:13:18 AM  

Hobo Jr.: This space intentionaly left blank: You can eat your eggs and bacon, just don't eat your toast/bagles/pancakes/waffles...

I hate choosing sides, so I just get them all so they won't be jealous.



And they do indeed get jealous if they miss out on the party in your tummy.
 
2013-02-17 02:13:29 AM  

wademh: Too many free radicals. Too much red meat, white bread and too many dry martinis!


Well, then, I shall cut out the white bread.
 
2013-02-17 03:18:16 AM  

zepillin: Doktor_Zhivago: That article was so full of shiat I don't even know where to start...

Lets ask Dr. Atkins about how awesome the low carb diet is... What's that? He died of a heart attack from his cholesterol clogged arteries?

Yeah... Why don't we just eat a little everything in moderation.  Seems to work better than OMG DON'T EAT [insert random fad food of the week here]!!
And people have been eating grains since well before the agricultural revolution. You think ancient peoples ate meat every day? Maybe once every few weeks if they were lucky.  Most of the time they subsisted on wild plants, like berries, fruits and starchy roots and wild grasses. OMG those are carbs?!?!?  Read a farking book before you start talking out of your ass author, god I hate cherry picked bullshiat articles. This current anti-gluten thing will turn out to be as big a pile of bullshiat as every other diet fad before it.  Someone explain to me how all of western civilization managed to survive since it began if everyone is so allergic to this horrible unhealthy gluten.  I think it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise and your diet is not filled with refined sugar (the only point the author got right).  Our ancestors ate whatever the fark they could find but they were on their feet 12+ hours a day working their asses off chasing after deer and mammoths and shiat so they didn't turn into a bunch of diabetic fat farks.

/goes back to his job professionally sitting
//eats a loaf of bread out of spite.

grains? not really
berries, fruits, nuts seasonal even sporadic but thinks girls
large mammalian fauna = score, jerk up or cold and glaciated? just protect from predictors
lasts forever, year round availability, the hunt"s kinda fun and now it's time for games, crafts and sex
twenty hour work weeks! woo hoo!
meat! meat! meat! lots and lots of meat!
& fish, fish is good
and birds birds so many birds they would darken the sky"s, block out the sun

I miss the good old days


I love how everyone read Cordain and is now an expert on the diets of primitive civilization.

Even the real anthropologists don't know what ancient man ate, but you do. Because you read a blog.
 
2013-02-17 03:49:01 AM  

Jocundry: BolloxReader: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

Nobody can be unbiased. The best thing to do is to get your biases out in front of you and explain the theoretical framework behind your methodologies and interpretation so that people understand your perspective. This is particularly important in nutrition with suffers from a lot of undeclared biases. And the biggest factor I think is one's own gut bacteria which ultimately dictates how things get processed and metabolized. Hence different people will react differently to different diets, and confusion reigns supreme because there is no "one size fits all" diet.

Hence saying things like "I am a fan of x-type diets" is a very useful thing to say to the audience and should be applauded rather than slammed.

I saw nothing in this article that showed the author's credentials. Why should I trust anything she wrote? Why should I trust her ability to read a study and understand data?

Why should I care if some person states they like something but doesn't try to convince me they are an authority on the subject?


Well that is a far better reason to not trust the article.
 
2013-02-17 03:55:48 AM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Even the real anthropologists don't know what ancient man ate, but you do. Because you read a blog.

I'd argue that in general terms, one could argue that ancient man probably was not the best hunter, and what meat they did eat was frequently lean.  Ancient man also probably ate a lot of plant matter in most regions.  When food was plentiful, more was eaten; when food was scarce, hunger followed.  Each day probably included a lot of exercise.

But beyond that, I doubt we'll ever know.  Humans are just too damn adaptable, and even ancient man lived in a variety of regions with different food sources that were available.
 
2013-02-17 04:30:40 AM  
I eat horribly, live a generally sedentary lifestyle, and have a major genetic disposition for diabetes. Personally, I think the reason I'm not a 300+ diabetic right now is because of one saving grace: I'm a fidgeter. I'm the annoying guy who simply cannot stop tapping his leg or drumming with his pen when he's sitting at a table with you. I've got both my legs doing double-bass drum patterns right now as a write this. It's not much, but I think the difference between that and being a blob at my computer all day is significant.
 
2013-02-17 04:32:22 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Can we not just say that, for most people, moderating your sugar, sodium, and fat intake is the most important facet of your food intake?


Not bad - you got one out of three right.  Unless your genetically defective or chronically high insulin levels have damaged the kidney nephrons, you can pee out all the excess sodium you take in and not affect your blood pressure.  Once you shift your primary body fuel to fat, your body runs quite well on it for most needs.   Sugar is just tasty, tasty poison.
 
2013-02-17 04:36:19 AM  
Hobo Jr.:

Two keys to losing weight and only two.
1. Eat sensible portions of whatever you stuff in face. Somethings are better for you(fresh fruits, veggies, etc) and somethings aren't(bacon, cheesecake, sodas) but if you eat only what fills you up and have some variety in your diet then as long as the portions are sensible sizes then you are fine.
2. Exercise. Thirty to forty minutes a day, 3-5 days a week


Citations on exercise, please.  Take your time, because there *aren't* methodologically-sound clinical studies that show a causal relationship between exercise and weight loss.  That's right - zero.
 
2013-02-17 04:46:17 AM  

Acharne: Got to: "Sugar, primarily because of its high fructose content  affects metabolism in a way that sets us up for rapid fat gain and metabolic disease. "


Fructose is a sugar, sugar isn't fructose. This statement is misleading. Fructose is only bad if in concentrated forms, like a syrup or many juices. Eat it as actual fruit and you're doing OK. Still though, you don't need fruit every day nor even every season.


Just substitute "sucrose" for the word "Sugar" in the original, and you'll make it to the end of the article.
 
2013-02-17 05:05:09 AM  

Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.


Did you miss the part where they cited scholarly articles?  Or did you just not comprehend what those articles said?


Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?


This doesn't seem far-fetched to me.
Don't get me wrong, I love bread and pasta and whatnot, but compared to other food sources they are very high in "empty" calories.


AliceBToklasLives: Get off the damn couch every once in a while.


This is the best advice of all.


davidphogan: as a big fan of Asian and Mexican food that's just an expected side effect.


As a Mexican, I'm here to tell you that if you're a vegetarian you're probably not eating actual Mexican food.
Even the vegetarian tamales are made with lard, and so are the tortillas.  You may be eating some gringo approximation of Mexican food, however.

;)


iaazathot: In terms of what my wife does with her successful diabetics, that article is completely FOS.


And in terms of what my pre-diabetic dad and uncle both did to get healthy and lose 45lbs, that article is spot on.
Maybe the real lesson here should be not only that fat isn't bad for you, but also that there is more than one way to be healthy.
The best diet is the one that not only works, but that you can stick to.

Anyway, at the very least I think we can all agree on "quit eating all the goddamn cookies and ice cream" and "get off the couch you lazy f**k".
 
2013-02-17 05:48:20 AM  
How to be healthy and not fat:

1. Avoid consuming any and all items (except water) that have: 0 fat, 0 calories, 0 sugar, or 0 ____. Also avoid all items that are advertised with "low" prefacing the terms: fat, calories, sugar, or _____.
2. Eat the regular version (ie, the one that has normal fat, calories, sugar, etc) of whatever you were going to eat from step 1.
3. Eat less of the regular version you ate in step 2 than you were planning to eat in step 1.
4. Get active.

So to wrap it up:  Follow none of the nutrition advice/fads out there. Eat a mixed diet.  Burn around the same amount of calories you consume on a weekly basis.  Alternatively, you could just move to Europe, where steps 2 and 4 are pretty much a given.

And whatever you do, don't make your dietary decisions based on what may or may not have been the eating habits of Western Civ humans 10000 years ago, which you have absolutely no proof of.  It's as stupid as pretending your single, domesticated dog has a pack mentality cause that's how they used to be.
 
2013-02-17 06:41:25 AM  

willfullyobscure: its all calories, stupids. calories incalories out. Nothing else means anything.


your handle is appropriate. this myth has been debunked in a number of ways.

here's one: 100 calories of protein are processed by your body in a very different manner than 100 calories of sugar. one needs to be broken down while the other does not. in order to break down calories the body uses calories.
 
2013-02-17 08:14:05 AM  

nickerj1: How to be healthy and not fat: .... avoid all items that are advertised with "low" prefacing the terms: fat, calories, sugar, or _____.

As general rule, you should avoid most foods that are advertized.

 
2013-02-17 08:38:27 AM  
Ok, so I am sure there is a lot of thoughtful, intelligent commentary here. But I am stuck on my phone, and reading it is giving me a headache. So instead, I'll give my completely biased story, which, granted, is only one data point.

I left the military and got a desk job for several years. Got fat. Last year I started deploying as a civil again. The guys I was supporting were paleo / crossfit freaks. I did not work out with them (couldn't hang & no time) but I had no choice but to eat like they did. I lost 20 lbs in 6 months.

I came home to the wife insisting that we try and keep the weight off by going on the "It starts with food " Whole 30 plan . After 5 mos I have lost another 15+ lbs, and my latest pre-deployment physical indicates I am healthier than I have been in a long time.

/YMMV
//IANANutritionist
 
2013-02-17 08:40:06 AM  
Fail tag fail.

I've lost 80 lbs on my high fat low carb diet.  Although not everyone agrees with everything in this article, the comments here definitely show how much misinformation a lot of people still believe.

If eating in moderation worked, would half the country still be overweight?

Don't discard this article so quickly out of hand.

\\might eat only eggs and bacon today. Maybe some veggiestoo. Won't gain a pound and will feel better than the farking waffle eaters.
 
2013-02-17 09:23:20 AM  

StashMonster: win95o: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

Sure, stuffing your face with (sweetened) chocolate would be bad for you (because of the sugar).  But bread and other complex carbohydrates actually are quite bad for you.  As the article points out, humans have evolved to eat mainly protein, fat, and simple carbohydrates (those found in vegetables).  When you eat high carbohydrate foods your blood sugar will rise and your body produces a surge of insulin to lower it.  Insulin instructs cells to store fat, which is the primary mechanism through which one gains weight.  Eating a strict low carbohydrate diet will result in weight loss because fat won't be stored.  The total caloric intake actually isn't that important.

I'm on a strict low carbohydrate diet to control reactive hypoglycemia (high protein, high fat).  Despite eating about 2500 calories a day, I have actually lost weight (I'm not overweight and am not trying to lose weight).  It's really not that complicated, and I'm amazed that people think low carbohydrate dieting is a fad when humans have eaten low carbohydrate diets for tens of thousands of years.

Wrong way round. COMPLEX carbohydrates are the ones that are good for you. Brown rice, whole wheat, and vegetables. SIMPLE carbohydrates such as refined white flour, white sugar and fructose are the ones which are bad for you. They are absorbed quickly into the bloodstream, where they spike blood glucose. This leads to crashing later, and also prompts insulin to store energy as fat. Which in excess can result in insulin resistance (type II diabetes). Note: hypoglycemia means high blood sugar. Insulin resistance.


Just a note myself, hypoglycemia is low blood sugar, hyperglycemia is high blood sugar-diabetes.

A book that changed my life, though I can't agree with it 100% as an adult, was Sugar Blues by William Dufty. I read it in 1978 when I was 13 and made to go on the low carb diet. Yes, that means no ketchup or croutons, etc. Only complex carbs and not a lot of em. I felt so much better and do now whenever I work at eating that way, but I do like a martini.

Later I learned he was one of Gloria Swanson's husbands. She avoided sugar assiduously and I wish I could make her my role model. in that respect and a couple others, if not in the husbands matter. I still fight and lose with cookies. And I'm not giving up martinis, though I keep to a strict limit.
 
2013-02-17 09:38:13 AM  
And at the very farking bottom:
This article originally appeared at Authority Nutrition

fark gawker
 
2013-02-17 09:43:33 AM  

Dadoody: Regular grain consumption began a measly 10,000 years ago by most estimates. Before the Agricultural Revolution, humans had a couple hundred thousand years of not having any regular consumption of grains, (and, are you ready for this) studies show that human brain function and physical ability peaked just prior to the agricultural revolution as well.  Since the dawn of agricultural practices, archeological evidence shows a gradual but steady decline in human strength.


First of all, if grains contain protein and certain grains can combine to provide complete protein, how can you say grains are devoid of nutrients? I agree that they shouldn't form the base of our diet (and note that the food pyramid has been revised to a plate which is much more vegetable/fruit based.

The fact is, our bodies ARE equipped to digest grain. I agree that in the way back our ancestors did not eat grains, but in reality we DO NOT know exactly what they ate. (I mean one school says they ate lots of meat and a little vegetables, others say lots of vegetables and little meat.)

I don't think that you can speculate that grain alone has made humans weak, infertile, and susceptible to chronic diseases. We might be weak because now that we have simple machines we don't need physical strength. Infertile because our tools, food sources, and medicine have decreased the deaths of babies and the same fertility would cause a population explosion. The chronic diseases one is even simpler- our life expectancy has greatly increased since 10,000 years ago- so how can you say we are sicker now???

I think the diet you are eating is probably very healthy and is working great for you and I agree that people who are stuffing their faces with bread and grains alone are unhealthy. That said, grains are not poison and the fact is that about half of the humans in the world are getting most of their protein from grains (combined with vegetables).
 
2013-02-17 09:44:45 AM  

FarkImALoser: Fail tag fail.

I've lost 80 lbs on my high fat low carb diet.  Although not everyone agrees with everything in this article, the comments here definitely show how much misinformation a lot of people still believe.

If eating in moderation worked, would half the country still be overweight?

Don't discard this article so quickly out of hand.

\\might eat only eggs and bacon today. Maybe some veggiestoo. Won't gain a pound and will feel better than the farking waffle eaters.


Low carb works for me and I mostly stay away from sugar. Once at my ideal weight I thought I could occasionally have some cheat meals, but those cheat meals turn into cheat days and weeks and it nearly always derails my progress. Carbs, especially bread, make me ravenous and I get to a point where I would shank a motherfarker for a cookie. I never really understood why until I read Wheat Belly. Now, instead of having yeast rolls or waffles for my cheat meals, I'll have quinoa or a sweet potato instead.
 
2013-02-17 09:48:41 AM  
FTA I personally believe low-carb diets to be a potential cure for many of the most common health problems in western nations

That's all he needed to say.  You could tell long before he made this point that that's where he was going with all this.
 
2013-02-17 10:05:51 AM  

Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.


How does dairy work into that?
 
2013-02-17 10:21:12 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: SanjiSasuke: FTFA:
Bottom Line: Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

Uh...no I'd say regular exercise takes the cake on that.

/liked that they debunked the protein thing though

I'm going to have to argue that it's a combination of the two. A good diet works when you change the rest of your lifestyle in order to keep from falling back into bad eating habits.  Exercise is a great way to keep your mind off the foods you'd probably rather be making or eating.  They work off one another and work together to keep you healthy.


Exercise is more than just mental, but I agree that if you have a certain goal that would be aided by a proper diet, the exercise will encourage the diet. But in this same way, not all goals are complimented by low-carb diets. Plus people should remember that sugars are carbs.
 
2013-02-17 10:32:38 AM  
All I know is that now that I've cut out 90% of sugar (including bread, pasta, potatoes, etc..), I look and feel so much better. Less headaches, sinus problems, tummy problems. And it's really not that hard to eat like this. If I have a real craving for bread or pasta, I'll give in and have a little. But now that my body has adjusted, I can't go overboard on it or I will be on the toilet all day.

/css
 
2013-02-17 10:51:44 AM  
If you take just one bit of nutrition truth away with you,,
Artificial sweetners may have no calories, but they go DIRECTLY to FAT, and do not pass go.
"Calories" is not at all a measure of fat production, it is an index of availible energy.

Humans can only metabolize glucose. period.
All other forms of sugar become fat before your body can get rid of it.

And, naturally, it is bad for you.
 
2013-02-17 10:55:27 AM  

KrustyKitten: Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.

How does dairy work into that?


All versions of the Atkins diet recommend not consuming non-converted dairy products. IOW, don't consume dairy products that still have lactose in them, as lactose is a complex sugar (a carbohydrate...) that is an insulin stimulant when consumed. AFAIK, they also recommend restricting one's diet of converted dairy products (unsweetened yogurt and cheeses) to 4 oz a day. In general hard and aged cheeses (like cheddar and parmesan) have fewer residual carbohydrates than do soft cheeses like yogurt, cottage cheese, mozzarella, etc. I routinely sprinkle a little parmesan or grate a little sharp cheddar on my food, but minimize my use of soft cheeses, as they generally contain more carbs. That said, some aged soft cheeses (stinky cheeses) are very low carb, as well. Hope that helps.
 
2013-02-17 11:47:48 AM  

Dadoody: Grains contain Phytic Acid, a mineral blocker that prevents absorption of calcium, magnesium, iron, copper and zinc. This phytic acid is found in the bran of all grains as well as the outer coating of seeds and nuts.


Hate to break it to you, but that's a myth. If you were popping cholrates of phytic acid, you might be right, but the phytic acid in grain is already bound. The reason your diet is healthy and you aren't fat is cause grain foods are very calorie dense, but do not satiate, so it's easy to eat too much of them. It's all about the calories.
 
2013-02-17 11:53:54 AM  
Bravo Kris Gunnars, Bravo

image.wtfux.org
 
2013-02-17 11:57:14 AM  

IPKnightly: The bottom line is that I know several people who follow Atkins religiously and are way overweight, and got that way while on the diet.


Unless you counted carbs right there beside them, I call bullshiat.  I know plenty of people who failed at atkins miserably by doing it wrong, and I know people who fell off the wagon and ballooned up like a motherfarker, but I've never spoken to someone who followed it with bad results that weren't explained by, well, them not following it.
 
2013-02-17 11:58:16 AM  

FarkImALoser: Fail tag fail.

I've lost 80 lbs on my high fat low carb diet.  Although not everyone agrees with everything in this article, the comments here definitely show how much misinformation a lot of people still believe.

If eating in moderation worked, would half the country still be overweight?

Don't discard this article so quickly out of hand.

\\might eat only eggs and bacon today. Maybe some veggiestoo. Won't gain a pound and will feel better than the farking waffle eaters.


This may work for you, and I'm all for finding what works for you.  Good work on losing the 80, btw, and keep it up.

In my completely non-citation method of fact finding, I disagree with blanket no-carb diets. I'm going to use generally widespread information to disprove your "carbs are bad" diet theory.  Generally speaking, Americans are the most fat nation, we are the most obese.  However, Americans eat way less bread products than Europeans (there's a reason they call their non-lite beers "liquid bread"), which are high in carbs, but Europeans don't have weight issues. Americans also eat way less rice than the Far East, rice being another high-carb food item.  And yet, Far East asians are always pretty thin, especially so compared to Americans, and have been eating rice as the main part of their diet for thousands of centuries.

In summary, Americans as a whole eat less carbs than other nations that are skinnier, therefore carbs aren't necessarily bad.
 
2013-02-17 11:58:17 AM  

december: willfullyobscure: its all calories, stupids. calories incalories out. Nothing else means anything.

your handle is appropriate. this myth has been debunked in a number of ways.

here's one: 100 calories of protein are processed by your body in a very different manner than 100 calories of sugar. one needs to be broken down while the other does not. in order to break down calories the body uses calories.


Don't compound the stupid. That's a reductio ad absurdum, any kind of mono-diet like that is bad for you. But high-fat/low-fat/low carb/high carb, given an adequate baseline of nutrition(the USDA guidelines are fine), is not important at all. just eat less calories than you expend, and you will lose weight. or vice versa. Everything else is personal preference or woo. Sorry.
 
2013-02-17 12:03:32 PM  

willfullyobscure: december: willfullyobscure: its all calories, stupids. calories incalories out. Nothing else means anything.

your handle is appropriate. this myth has been debunked in a number of ways.

here's one: 100 calories of protein are processed by your body in a very different manner than 100 calories of sugar. one needs to be broken down while the other does not. in order to break down calories the body uses calories.

Don't compound the stupid. That's a reductio ad absurdum, any kind of mono-diet like that is bad for you. But high-fat/low-fat/low carb/high carb, given an adequate baseline of nutrition(the USDA guidelines are fine), is not important at all. just eat less calories than you expend, and you will lose weight. or vice versa. Everything else is personal preference or woo. Sorry.


Your name should be willfullyobtuse, not willfullyobscure.

Calories in calories out is accurate but meaningless because not all calories are created equal.  The type you consume and the way you consume them will have a direct effect on things, and should not be ignored. And that is going on the presumption that calories are even measured properly in the first place, which they often are not.

None of that is to say that if one is gaining weight eating less isn't a good idea.  But there are smart ways to do it and stupid ways to do it, and reducing things down to "durr it doesn't matter, a calorie is a calorie" isn't doing any favors for the people who have trouble managing their weight. If it were easy and our bodies worked like a furnace they wouldn't have gotten fat in the first place.
 
2013-02-17 12:18:49 PM  
Did you ever stop to think that if commonly "believed" nutritional science was actually accurate, we would not have this problem?
Between the lack of sound science and the lies/misdirection in the name of Holy Profit, is not what we corrently accept obviously flawed?
 
2013-02-17 12:19:24 PM  
So, who told the mainstream media all of this stuff was bad for you anyhow?

Eating stuff in moderation and getting your fat arse off the couch now and then should be just fine. However, our lifestyles have changed remarkably since the 1960's.

Several milestones have altered the American diet and health tremendously, and not necessarily for the better:

The proliferation of fast food places, followed by supersizing.

The Computer age, which greatly reduced physical labor along with the introduction of a mass of labor saving devices.

The mass production of the car and the advertising efforts by car makers for people to own more than one contributed to a major decrease in exercise, like walking. Plus, along with the car came a host of problems including major pollution.

Mass advertising. You can't find a media which doesn't have advertising on it or in it. Advertising has nearly become a plague. It took an act of congress to stop those old, huge billboards from lining the major highways so densely that you couldn't see the scenery beyond. Now, your internet experience is cluttered with unwanted ads.

(Odd, isn't it, how those video ads that self start when you open a site manage to do so faster and better than things you want to see on your video player.)

As far as recorded history takes us, people have eaten bread made from grains. Bread has been a basic staple for thousands of years. Now, over the centuries we've weeded out several species of grains, settling down for a handful from which to make bread, based on the ability to grow in various places, how fast it grows and how much it yields.

Modern times even weeded out several variations of corn, choosing one or two to grow. These decisions were usually financial, based on productivity and bottom line.

Who cares if the wheat is short on some nutrients, so long as you can meet the demand and reap a good profit? Genetically alter the form and patent the seeds so farmers will have to buy from you only. If the hold back seed to save on costs for next years planting, engineer it so the seed is not viable.

Then, they must buy from you.

Infomercials and crack pot advertising. Pus products that do not do what you say they do and watch the money pour in. Take advantage of people's desires and fears. Not getting much sunlight due to cancer scares? How about new and improved Vitamin D pills, with Omega 3 fish oil added, since eating fish is healthy and expensive.

Distort, exaggerate and obscure the truth.

Lard was OK when you worked your butt off from sunrise to sunset. You burned it up as additional calories. Most of society no longer gets up at dawn to feed the stock, plow the fields, milk the cows and split wood, so the fatty foods now turn into body fat. However, they're still pushed by businesses for profit and tasty bits like bacon are lauded in 100 ways to increase your consumption of the stuff.

Some time in the 70's, soda companies started adding cheap corn sugars to their product. Making their sugary drinks even sweeter. Some other genius decided that since Coca Cola had added cocaine to it's original brew as a pick me up, why not add caffeine to various sweet drinks? After all, caffeine is legal. Cocaine is now illegal.

So, folks drink more for the taste and the 'kick'.

However, they move less, meaning all of these enhanced foods keep piling on the calories they can't burn off.

Truth in Advertising laws haven't been strong enough to prevent exaggerated claims about the health benefits of some form of vitamin pills, newly developed and lawyers have managed to include barely readable disclaimers to help prevent the producers of dubious products from getting biatch slapped for lying.

Then toss in the lunatic fringe who really don't know what they're talking about, but do so anyhow, the surveys and poles which can easily be rigged like never before and those whose job it is to exaggerate the great benefits of a product that actually has few and may have even more bad ones.

Infomercials for example.

So, our diet is actually affected by our technology. Our technology can affect our business practices.

Like packaging. A tiny amount of pills in a big pill bottle. Seen those? Kinda wasteful. Yet companies know that if they reduce the packaging in certain things, people will feel cheated and buy less. Plus, food items do NOT have to be organically grown to be labeled organic. They must be organically grown to obtain the USDA Organic seal.

That means, over 50% of the higher priced organic stuff you buy is not what you think.

BTW. Obesity will kill you. We've known that for generations. Look at old movies made in the 20s through the 60's and see if you can spot as many tubs of lard waddling about as you do today. Especially in old news reels.

Now, we live longer, our foods are actually healthier in general, along with the preparation processes. (Sweepings from the slaughterhouse floors, including dirt and sawdust are no longer allowed to be sold to potted meat makers, who cooked it all down and sold the garbage, heavily seasoned, to the public. Nor are things like neural tissue or pituitary glands allowed to be processed into ground meats.) And still we find ways to make ourselves unhealthy.

Just remember: for every action there is a reaction -- and not every reaction is good.
 
2013-02-17 12:51:54 PM  
For 

Smackledorfer: Your name should be willfullyobtuse, not willfullyobscure.Calories in calories out is accurate but meaningless because not all calories are created equal.  The type you consume and the way you consume them will have a direct effect on things, and should not be ignored. And that is going on the presumption that calories are even measured properly in the first place, which they often are not.


For farks sake, man. the human race has never had access to this much superior nutrition. Every part of our food supply is better than than the greatest king of any other era would have had, for every one. Anyone that gets fat eating modern grains and meats is eating too much. It's not some imaginary nutritional deficit nobody else EVAR noticed before, or mysterious poisoned dwarf wheat created by the Illuminati.

Little Debbie snack cakes are fortified with iron and B vitamins! A pound of pasta has 54g of protein in it! An apple costs $0.60! A glass of OJ has all the Vitamin C you need! Your education is lacking if you can't make economical, common-sense, healthy eating decisions out of basic ingredients and eat a balanced diet. Starch, protein, fruit and veg, put them on a plate. People have too much access to quality food and they overeat because they are stupid or ignorant. Then they latch on to a weight-loss huckster and become stupid, ignorant and poor.

All else is lack of education or observation. Fad diets are expensive woo. Paleo, and HCLF and Atkins- all boil down to woo. People just don't realize how much calories they consume(a serving of pasta is ONE CUP, fyi) and when they cut out calorie dense grains(or fats), they remove an excess of calories and they lose weight. Plain and simple.  Unless you're a frutarian(and therefore functionally retarded), losing weight boils down to eating less calories. Look at Weight Watchers for a sensible, functional, approach to modifying dietary habits.
 
2013-02-17 01:24:30 PM  

willfullyobscure: All else is lack of education or observation. Fad diets are expensive woo. Paleo, and HCLF and Atkins- all boil down to woo. People just don't realize how much calories they consume(a serving of pasta is ONE CUP, fyi) and when they cut out calorie dense grains(or fats), they remove an excess of calories and they lose weight. Plain and simple. Unless you're a frutarian(and therefore functionally retarded), losing weight boils down to eating less calories. Look at Weight Watchers for a sensible, functional, approach to modifying dietary habits.


Calorie counting is in the same boat as the fad diets. Calorie counting assumes that the body is a simple machine with simple linear characteristics. It has been shown time and again that the calories in calories out equation doesn't hold up in experiments and professional experiences but people won't stop believing in it.

There are many dangers to the "losing weights is simply less calories" mindset. First is the diet soda and low calorie food trap. People gulp down liters of diet soda wreaking havoc on their bodies with artificial sweeteners. Other chemicals like MSG and free glutamate in low calorie foods make it tasty and "savory" by fooling the tongue but results in mind-wrenching cravings. The end result is that these low calorie food makes people ravenous.

If you don't mind living your life feeling hungry all the time and constantly fighting food, calories in calories out is workable.

Yes, we have the most wonderful variety of foods available in the history of humanity but a lot of people after a good hearty meal end up feeling guilty and regretting it.
 
2013-02-17 02:01:57 PM  

Hobo Jr.: louiedog: Hobo Jr.: Don't eat grains?

What?

Their argument is wheat in large amounts is unhealthy. It is like the time I overheard a 300lbsreal women in a scooter telling her friend that bread was the worst thing to eat to lose weight.

No lady, stuffing your face with chocolate and lard is bad, having a piece of toast is fine.

I was in college when Atkins was at its peak. I was in the dining hall one day behind a woman at the station that made sandwiches to order. I'd say she was a bit north of 350 lbs. She asked for no bread because she wasn't eating carbs and then proceeded to motion the guy to keep piling the turkey onto her plate. I'd say there was at least a pound and a half when he stopped. Then came another half pound or more of cheese.

A few minutes later I bumped into her at the drink area where she lined all the free space on her tray with multiple glasses of cranberry juice cocktail, or whatever other similar sugared up juice they had that day. I don't recall what else she'd scrounged up for her meal in the meantime. I don't think she was doing it right, nor do I think she understood what carbs are.

There is the other problem with Americans health.

We now have three possibly four generations who are completely in the dark about how the body works in regard to the types of foods they put in their bodies.

Everyone has been told no carbs or no sugar or no eggs and they do not know how their bodies use the carbs and minerals and vitamins and sugars to survive.


Were you born an idiot or did you have to work at it.

You sound fat, dumbshiat
 
2013-02-17 02:25:18 PM  
1) If calories in > calories out, you get fat
2) some foods are more satisfying than others, but there are no magic bullets and rule 1 always applies
3) stop stuffing your face, fatty.  See rule 1.
4) get up and exercise.  one minute is better than no minutes.  See rule 1.
5) be reasonable, you didn't get fat overnight, you don't get skinny overnight
6) eat different stuff, but remember rule 1.
7) Don't eat ramen noodles
 
2013-02-17 02:39:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: KrustyKitten: Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.

How does dairy work into that?

All versions of the Atkins diet recommend not consuming non-converted dairy products. IOW, don't consume dairy products that still have lactose in them, as lactose is a complex sugar (a carbohydrate...) that is an insulin stimulant when consumed. AFAIK, they also recommend restricting one's diet of converted dairy products (unsweetened yogurt and cheeses) to 4 oz a day. In general hard and aged cheeses (like cheddar and parmesan) have fewer residual carbohydrates than do soft cheeses like yogurt, cottage cheese, mozzarella, etc. I routinely sprinkle a little parmesan or grate a little sharp cheddar on my food, but minimize my use of soft cheeses, as they generally contain more carbs. That said, some aged soft cheeses (stinky cheeses) are very low carb, as well. Hope that helps.


You more than answered my question. Thanks for taking the time
 
2013-02-17 02:52:22 PM  
I'm all for reducing my carb intake but dear God I love bread and pasta!

I am cutting back however since my wife and I decided, after looking at the ingredients on mass produced bread, that bread making should not require 20 to 30 ingredients. Now we have a bread machine and I eat less because we only have it when it's available.

I also recently got into an argument with my mother-in-law about the "finish your plate" or "you dish it, you eat it" mentality. I don't like to waste food any more than the next guy, but when you're feeling full it's time to push the plate away.
 
2013-02-17 02:58:10 PM  

KrustyKitten: Stone Meadow: KrustyKitten: Stone Meadow: In before the Fark Vegans!

Actually, I used to be one of them. But being a vegan ballooned my weight into the obese range, made me a borderline pre-diabetic, gave me raging mood swings, and was all in all a miserable experience. Then I went on the New Atkins Diet, which reversed all of that: normal weight now, fasting blood sugar of 88, normal blood chemistry, no mood swings, and I love the food. I eat lots of eggs and meat, along with all the veggies I can stand, and two servings of fresh fruit a day. Just no wheat, rice, potatoes or pasta. The high fat content naturally turns off my appetite, so I consume fewer calories and have lost 40+ pounds.

How does dairy work into that?

All versions of the Atkins diet recommend not consuming non-converted dairy products. IOW, don't consume dairy products that still have lactose in them, as lactose is a complex sugar (a carbohydrate...) that is an insulin stimulant when consumed. AFAIK, they also recommend restricting one's diet of converted dairy products (unsweetened yogurt and cheeses) to 4 oz a day. In general hard and aged cheeses (like cheddar and parmesan) have fewer residual carbohydrates than do soft cheeses like yogurt, cottage cheese, mozzarella, etc. I routinely sprinkle a little parmesan or grate a little sharp cheddar on my food, but minimize my use of soft cheeses, as they generally contain more carbs. That said, some aged soft cheeses (stinky cheeses) are very low carb, as well. Hope that helps.

You more than answered my question. Thanks for taking the time


Wow, now something makes sense. My wife's best friend is all vegan now, but can't figure out why she weighs more than ever and has all kinds of health issues. By her own logic, a vegan should be healthier and so I'd never be able to convince her that it could be causing many of her problems.

Also, I never understood the logic that a vegan diet is healthy, yet many of the vegan/vegetarian people I know are on supplements.
 
2013-02-17 04:00:29 PM  

joeflood: 1) If calories in > calories out, you get fat
2) some foods are more satisfying than others, but there are no magic bullets and rule 1 always applies
3) stop stuffing your face, fatty.  See rule 1.
4) get up and exercise.  one minute is better than no minutes.  See rule 1.
5) be reasonable, you didn't get fat overnight, you don't get skinny overnight
6) eat different stuff, but remember rule 1.
7) Don't eat ramen noodles


You cannot reliably measure either calories in or calories out.
 
2013-02-17 04:22:41 PM  

Smackledorfer: joeflood: 1) If calories in > calories out, you get fat
2) some foods are more satisfying than others, but there are no magic bullets and rule 1 always applies
3) stop stuffing your face, fatty.  See rule 1.
4) get up and exercise.  one minute is better than no minutes.  See rule 1.
5) be reasonable, you didn't get fat overnight, you don't get skinny overnight
6) eat different stuff, but remember rule 1.
7) Don't eat ramen noodles

You cannot reliably measure either calories in or calories out.


Sure you can. Can you get it down to the joule? No. Can you accurately manage your macro diet and exercise expenditure and see results? You absolutely can. This isn't rocket science. Follow the USDA nutritional guidance, don't over eat and you'll either lose weight or not get fat based on your level of activity. Stop pretending it's more complicated than that.
 
2013-02-17 05:47:24 PM  

willfullyobscure: Smackledorfer: joeflood: 1) If calories in > calories out, you get fat
2) some foods are more satisfying than others, but there are no magic bullets and rule 1 always applies
3) stop stuffing your face, fatty.  See rule 1.
4) get up and exercise.  one minute is better than no minutes.  See rule 1.
5) be reasonable, you didn't get fat overnight, you don't get skinny overnight
6) eat different stuff, but remember rule 1.
7) Don't eat ramen noodles

You cannot reliably measure either calories in or calories out.

Sure you can. Can you get it down to the joule? No. Can you accurately manage your macro diet and exercise expenditure and see results? You absolutely can. This isn't rocket science. Follow the USDA nutritional guidance, don't over eat and you'll either lose weight or not get fat based on your level of activity. Stop pretending it's more complicated than that.


Counting calories can really do a number for someone with OCD. Or if you want to breed an eating disorder.

And don't follow the USDA for anything.
 
2013-02-17 06:04:27 PM  

thisispete: wademh: Too many free radicals. Too much red meat, white bread and too many dry martinis!

Well, then, I shall cut out the white bread.


Personally, I was thinking of the viability of incarcerating all the free radicals.  You know, the SDS, Weather Underground, Black Panthers, etc.  Those free radicals have been causing trouble for years!  But, there's probably a newer, younger generation to take their place.
 
2013-02-17 06:23:42 PM  

snocone: Did you ever stop to think that if commonly "believed" nutritional science was actually accurate, we would not have this problem?
Between the lack of sound science and the lies/misdirection in the name of Holy Profit, is not what we corrently accept obviously flawed?


You make a very good point that I've thought about in the past.  There is still one other factor that renders all the expert ideas, plans and information meaningless.  It's what's known as biochemical individuality.  Research has shown that some of us, for whatever reason, need more of certain nutrients, and sometimes far more, than the so-called average person.  So, even if we more-or-less look alike, that doesn't mean we all have the exact same needs or nutritional requirements.  There's also the metabolism, with some having high or low metabolism, while others are more average.  And, you also have to factor in heredity.
 
2013-02-17 07:08:53 PM  

LiteWerk: snocone: Did you ever stop to think that if commonly "believed" nutritional science was actually accurate, we would not have this problem?
Between the lack of sound science and the lies/misdirection in the name of Holy Profit, is not what we corrently accept obviously flawed?

You make a very good point that I've thought about in the past.  There is still one other factor that renders all the expert ideas, plans and information meaningless.  It's what's known as biochemical individuality.  Research has shown that some of us, for whatever reason, need more of certain nutrients, and sometimes far more, than the so-called average person.  So, even if we more-or-less look alike, that doesn't mean we all have the exact same needs or nutritional requirements.  There's also the metabolism, with some having high or low metabolism, while others are more average.  And, you also have to factor in heredity.



There's also what i find the most fascinating - gut flora, which is partially inherited, partially cultural (you will tend to pick up the types of bacteria the people around you are putting down), and partially adapational; if you eat more of one type of thing and none of another, your bacterial populations will eventually shift accordingly.

The research on this is really just getting started, and i'm dying of curiosity.
 
2013-02-17 07:50:00 PM  
I expected to see something regarding salt (sodium).
 
2013-02-17 09:46:59 PM  

Smackledorfer: IPKnightly: The bottom line is that I know several people who follow Atkins religiously and are way overweight, and got that way while on the diet.

Unless you counted carbs right there beside them, I call bullshiat.  I know plenty of people who failed at atkins miserably by doing it wrong, and I know people who fell off the wagon and ballooned up like a motherfarker, but I've never spoken to someone who followed it with bad results that weren't explained by, well, them not following it.


This.
And a lot of people think they're doing it right, while actually doing it wrong.  For instance, one person I talked to who was in the intro phase was eating lots of peas and carrots for their vegetables, both of which are highly sugary.  If I hadn't pointed that out they'd probably have failed and declared that it doesn't work even though they "followed Atkins religiously" -- even when they didn't.
 
2013-02-18 11:45:08 AM  

Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.


My favorite:
We'll get to the sugar in a moment, but I'd like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don't have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.

In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).


The second paragraph and all of the citations are about real sugars & syrups, but you wouldn't know it from the particular phrasing used, which was obviously intentional. Artificial sweetener conspiracy theorists are weird; just admit you don't like the taste and let other people enjoy them if they want to.
 
2013-02-18 12:55:00 PM  
I stopped reading when I realized the "Authority Nutrition"was one of those low carb/no carb nutjobs.
You all don't want the bread and pasta? Cool. More for the rest of us.

/not fat
 
2013-02-18 02:46:38 PM  

foxyshadis: Artificial sweetener conspiracy theorists are weird; just admit you don't like the taste and let other people enjoy them if they want to.


Ya, but they are still a bad addition to the diets of anyone attempting to lose weight and cut back.  Drinking something sweet, sugar or no, is only going to ramp up appetite.
 
2013-02-18 05:22:42 PM  

foxyshadis: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

My favorite:
We'll get to the sugar in a moment, but I'd like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don't have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.

In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).

The second paragraph and all of the citations are about real sugars & syrups, but you wouldn't know it from the particular phrasing used, which was obviously intentional. Artificial sweetener conspiracy theorists are weird; just admit you don't like the taste and let other people enjoy them if they want to.


Where do you think the artificial sweetners go?

This thread is not about enjoyment, it is about lies.
Some day you will find out the truth about artificial sweetners.
If you live long enough.
To which end, lay off that crap.
 
2013-02-18 07:27:57 PM  

snocone: foxyshadis: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

My favorite:
We'll get to the sugar in a moment, but I'd like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don't have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.

In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).

The second paragraph and all of the citations are about real sugars & syrups, but you wouldn't know it from the particular phrasing used, which was obviously intentional. Artificial sweetener conspiracy theorists are weird; just admit you don't like the taste and let other people enjoy them if they want to.

Where do you think the artificial sweetners go?

This thread is not about enjoyment, it is about lies.
Some day you will find out the truth about artificial sweetners.
If you live long enough.
To which end, lay off that crap.


Glanced at your profile.  Biggest profile I've ever seen. I noticed you seem to think HFCS is a virus though? Or do you just use words without care for their meaning and should be dismissed for such?

Virus chit(High Fructose Corn Syrup)
 
2013-02-18 10:04:23 PM  

snocone: Where do you think the artificial sweetners go?


Ultimately to the sewage treatment plant or septic tank, since the whole idea of artificial and sweeteners is that they're inert as they pass through the body. Some only get partially absorbed, resulting in unpleasant cramping, but obviously get excreted faster; they all remain inert and are eventually excreted once they find their way to the kidneys.

/Yes, I know, "that's just what they want you to think."
 
2013-02-19 10:31:24 AM  

Smackledorfer: snocone: foxyshadis: Jocundry: dolphinburger: this is a fabulous example of confirmation bias.

Yeah...when I got to the 'I'm a big fan of low carb diets' part, I gave up on the article. Big fan = not able to be unbiased.

My favorite:
We'll get to the sugar in a moment, but I'd like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don't have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.

In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).

The second paragraph and all of the citations are about real sugars & syrups, but you wouldn't know it from the particular phrasing used, which was obviously intentional. Artificial sweetener conspiracy theorists are weird; just admit you don't like the taste and let other people enjoy them if they want to.

Where do you think the artificial sweetners go?

This thread is not about enjoyment, it is about lies.
Some day you will find out the truth about artificial sweetners.
If you live long enough.
To which end, lay off that crap.

Glanced at your profile.  Biggest profile I've ever seen. I noticed you seem to think HFCS is a virus though? Or do you just use words without care for their meaning and should be dismissed for such?

Virus chit(High Fructose Corn Syrup)


You notice incorrectly.
You feed a virus corn syrup and get HFCS.
Simple. The extra sweet taste is virus excrement.
Details not your forte?
 
2013-02-19 10:33:25 AM  

foxyshadis: snocone: Where do you think the artificial sweetners go?

Ultimately to the sewage treatment plant or septic tank, since the whole idea of artificial and sweeteners is that they're inert as they pass through the body. Some only get partially absorbed, resulting in unpleasant cramping, but obviously get excreted faster; they all remain inert and are eventually excreted once they find their way to the kidneys.

/Yes, I know, "that's just what they want you to think."


Sorry, not at all inert.
And your medical education needs some practice.
You could defer to knowledge, but where is the fun in that?
 
2013-02-19 10:52:03 AM  

snocone: You notice incorrectly.
You feed a virus corn syrup and get HFCS.
Simple. The extra sweet taste is virus excrement.
Details not your forte?


Oh, I see your problem, you literally meant "shiat" and are afraid that anything you put inside you is the excretion or byproduct of something else.

I recommend steering clear of vegetables and meats then. And you probably absolutely hate yogurt and cheese. Bacteria shiat, ohs noes!

/braces for being told he once again didn't infer enough ("details not your forte" durr durr) from a short unclear post.
 
2013-02-19 11:41:51 AM  

Smackledorfer: snocone: You notice incorrectly.
You feed a virus corn syrup and get HFCS.
Simple. The extra sweet taste is virus excrement.
Details not your forte?

Oh, I see your problem, you literally meant "shiat" and are afraid that anything you put inside you is the excretion or byproduct of something else.

I recommend steering clear of vegetables and meats then. And you probably absolutely hate yogurt and cheese. Bacteria shiat, ohs noes!

/braces for being told he once again didn't infer enough ("details not your forte" durr durr) from a short unclear post.


Oh, I see your problem, you are another anonymous idiot pretending to be just a guy.
BTW, thanks for trying to tell me what I mean/think.
fail
 
2013-02-19 12:41:29 PM  

snocone: Smackledorfer: snocone: You notice incorrectly.
You feed a virus corn syrup and get HFCS.
Simple. The extra sweet taste is virus excrement.
Details not your forte?

Oh, I see your problem, you literally meant "shiat" and are afraid that anything you put inside you is the excretion or byproduct of something else.

I recommend steering clear of vegetables and meats then. And you probably absolutely hate yogurt and cheese. Bacteria shiat, ohs noes!

/braces for being told he once again didn't infer enough ("details not your forte" durr durr) from a short unclear post.

Oh, I see your problem, you are another anonymous idiot pretending to be just a guy.
BTW, thanks for trying to tell me what I mean/think.
fail


My rule is: if someone says something and I misread it once, its on me.  If they correct me with a clarification so shiatty that I still don't follow, its on them.

You clearly have a focus on whether something is the excrement of something else.  I don't see why assuming someone who is disgusted by virus excrement wouldn't also hate cheese, yogurt, dirt, etc., but I suppose there is no accounting for taste.
 
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