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2013-02-16 04:17:03 PM
Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?
 
2013-02-16 04:32:57 PM
It sounds a bit like that office is full of dummies.
 
2013-02-16 04:55:02 PM
Sounds like instead of filing for audits, he could file a lawsuit or two.  Interested to see how this turns out.
 
2013-02-16 04:55:55 PM
Sounds like the dad himself isn't too bright.
 
2013-02-16 04:58:53 PM
Male?

fark you, pay child support anyways.
 
2013-02-16 04:59:40 PM
This is what happens when you let women vote.
 
2013-02-16 05:03:35 PM

TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?


Scanning article.

Evidence of fraud not found.
 
2013-02-16 05:07:13 PM
I don't understand how an audit could turn up anything other than "this child died when he was 3, nothing should be owed after that"
 
2013-02-16 05:09:26 PM

kronicfeld: TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?

Scanning article.

Evidence of fraud not found.


The wife wasn't receiving those payments all that time, knowing that the kid didn't exist?
I noticed she refused comment.
 
2013-02-16 05:10:46 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Male?

fark you, pay child support anyways.


qft
 
2013-02-16 05:11:42 PM

TommyymmoT: kronicfeld: TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?

Scanning article.

Evidence of fraud not found.

The kid's mother wasn't receiving those payments all that time, knowing that the kid didn't exist?
I noticed she refused comment.

 
2013-02-16 05:14:24 PM
agrees
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2013-02-16 05:15:58 PM

TommyymmoT: TommyymmoT: kronicfeld: TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?

Scanning article.

Evidence of fraud not found.

The kid's mother wasn't receiving those payments all that time, knowing that the kid didn't exist?
I noticed she refused comment.


Taking child support for a dead child isn't fraud?
 
2013-02-16 05:18:17 PM
I knew of a guy in Denver who went into default because he quit paying after a child died.  He had submitted paperwork to FMS (this group in Colorado that runs it).  But the courts came after him about 2 years later stating he owed 10K or whatnot - they didn't acknowledge the death.
 
2013-02-16 05:24:29 PM

GAT_00: Taking child support for a dead child isn't fraud?


Court ordered payments are legal because the court orders them. If the court says she's entitled to the child support, then she's entitled to it, whether or not the child that is supporting is 3, 12, 18, 34 or dead.

It's only fraud on her part if she initiated seeking child support for a child who didn't exist at that time.
 
2013-02-16 05:32:40 PM

Donnchadha: GAT_00: Taking child support for a dead child isn't fraud?

Court ordered payments are legal because the court orders them. If the court says she's entitled to the child support, then she's entitled to it, whether or not the child that is supporting is 3, 12, 18, 34 or dead.

It's only fraud on her part if she initiated seeking child support for a child who didn't exist at that time.


[citation needed]
 
2013-02-16 05:32:48 PM
He's going to need a really good forensic accountant and attorney to straighten it all out.
 
2013-02-16 05:43:38 PM

Donnchadha: GAT_00: Taking child support for a dead child isn't fraud?

Court ordered payments are legal because the court orders them. If the court says she's entitled to the child support, then she's entitled to it, whether or not the child that is supporting is 3, 12, 18, 34 or dead.

It's only fraud on her part if she initiated seeking child support for a child who didn't exist at that time.


I may be going with common sense here, but it's child support, not a set payment to the mother every month until the child is 18 regardless of the state of the child.  In other words, it is to support the child.  If there is no child, there should be no support.
 
2013-02-16 05:54:57 PM
Yet another good reason not to have children.
 
2013-02-16 05:59:10 PM

doyner: Donnchadha: GAT_00: Taking child support for a dead child isn't fraud?

Court ordered payments are legal because the court orders them. If the court says she's entitled to the child support, then she's entitled to it, whether or not the child that is supporting is 3, 12, 18, 34 or dead.

It's only fraud on her part if she initiated seeking child support for a child who didn't exist at that time.

[citation needed]


Trust me. I'm from The Internet.
 
2013-02-16 06:10:51 PM
While this is not right there are a few issues that are not the Courts or the agencies fault
1. The Dad is an idiot
2. He was paying child support to the State becasue he did not pay it at first so they had to care for his little crotch nuggets, which resulted in him owing back support and the penalties and fees
3.The Dad is an idiot
4. No one told the court that the kid became worm food
5. The Dad is an idiot
6. Daddy O did not take the time for 23 years to figure out what he was paying for and waited the said 23 years to ask what it was and is all mad now becasue of it
7 Did I mention The Dad is an idiot.

Yes there is a error on the Courts part, but face it Dad should have been neutered years ago so his idiot seed does not create more cast member for idiocracy the reality series.

He needs to hire a lawyer who will get the Child supporter people to agree to call the debt satisfied just to end the negative publicity.
 
2013-02-16 06:13:06 PM
The whole child support system needs an overhaul, it's a broken system that makes the child's father a victim to the whims of the mother.

Remember a few years back the guy from Michigan who fought against paying support for the kid he never wanted? I bet he lost because the girl wanted her meal ticket. (Is it fair that a woman has a choice about abortion and the guy doesn't? What about adoption?)
 
2013-02-16 06:14:48 PM

TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?


She was receiving current support as well as payments on what he had not been paid; it is very possible that she was not aware that she was receiving the extra for the dead kid. I think it is more than plausible since she bred with this guy twice and face it he is not a rocket scientist and idiots usually attract
 
2013-02-16 06:16:22 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: The whole child support system needs an overhaul, it's a broken system that makes the child's father a victim to the whims of the mother.

Remember a few years back the guy from Michigan who fought against paying support for the kid he never wanted? I bet he lost because the girl wanted her meal ticket. (Is it fair that a woman has a choice about abortion and the guy doesn't? What about adoption?)


There we go.  Everyone on child support is lazy, they just want a handout.
 
2013-02-16 06:22:56 PM

GAT_00: There we go.  Everyone on child support is lazy, they just want a handout.


Not everyone. I receive it and don't even really need it, the money is going to pay for college for the kid. I would be happy if mommy went away and left us alone. She only had the child to collect free money from whoever the daddy was going to be. I was a week late with my payment and I got a phone call about how terrible a person I was because I was robbing the child of meals and clothing because she couldn't be bothered to find a job of any kind to support herself and the child. She wasn't saving it for the kids college fund, she was spending it on whatever she wanted to.
 
2013-02-16 06:24:42 PM
Friend of the Court is no friend to the father...ever.

My ex and I split when my son was 1.  I was frustrated with not receiving payments on any type of schedule.  I told her that I'd pay her direct deposit...and when I got a raise, I'd bump up the payments.  So when my son was 6 we went to the Friend of the Court...and the farking Magistrate told her it was a bad idea.  We both told the Magistrate that this is what we wanted and we ceased doing business with FoC.  I asked for and received custody from FoC when my son was 9.  Guess who still got threatening letters saying he owed back child support until my son was 16 and I had to take a freaking day off of work to show them the farking paperwork?  Me.  Fark them.
 
2013-02-16 06:25:45 PM
I should say my EX was frustrated with no receiving her FoC Child Support payments on time.  When we ended the FoC I paid her direct deposit until I received custody.
 
2013-02-16 06:27:37 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: There we go.  Everyone on child support is lazy, they just want a handout.

Not everyone. I receive it and don't even really need it, the money is going to pay for college for the kid. I would be happy if mommy went away and left us alone. She only had the child to collect free money from whoever the daddy was going to be. I was a week late with my payment and I got a phone call about how terrible a person I was because I was robbing the child of meals and clothing because she couldn't be bothered to find a job of any kind to support herself and the child. She wasn't saving it for the kids college fund, she was spending it on whatever she wanted to.


Oh look, supposed personal experience used to condemn the system as a whole.
 
2013-02-16 06:31:43 PM

GAT_00: Oh look, supposed personal experience used to condemn the system as a whole.


I got a bit off topic but the main problem is that a father is a father after conception whether he want's to be or not. After conception a mother has the choice to abort the baby or give it up for adoption.
 
2013-02-16 06:47:16 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Oh look, supposed personal experience used to condemn the system as a whole.

I got a bit off topic but the main problem is that a father is a father after conception whether he want's to be or not. After conception a mother has the choice to abort the baby or give it up for adoption.


Which is in fact still completely off topic.
 
2013-02-16 06:54:16 PM
The mother probably blew all the money on drugs and alcohol.
 
2013-02-16 07:07:55 PM
If its your sperm and if you dont help with money, then you are an asshole of epic proportions. You are the scummiest of the scum. You make Osama bin Laden look like Santa Claus. However, if it is not your child or the child is long dead, then why should you be punished for actions you had no part in?
 
2013-02-16 07:23:37 PM

GAT_00: Which is in fact still completely off topic.


For the article maybe, for my initial statement that the child support system is broken I would argue not so much.
 
2013-02-16 07:28:34 PM

GAT_00: antidisestablishmentarianism: GAT_00: Oh look, supposed personal experience used to condemn the system as a whole.

I got a bit off topic but the main problem is that a father is a father after conception whether he want's to be or not. After conception a mother has the choice to abort the baby or give it up for adoption.

Which is in fact still completely off topic.


To make the situation fair when a woman finds she is pregnant the father should have equal say. If he does not want to be a father but she wants to keep the child then he doesn't have to pay any support ever. The woman has a choice, keep the child and pay the bills or give the child up. If the father agrees to keep the child and they later split up he has to pay.
 
2013-02-16 07:35:18 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: For the article maybe,


Yes, that was my point.
 
2013-02-16 07:43:17 PM

L.D. Ablo: Yet another good reason not to have children

to have a vasectomy and never, ever acknowledge paternity in any way, shape, form, or fashion, even tiny things like giving your girlfriend's kid a birthday gift, because that can be used in court to force you to pay child support even if there is DNA evidence that you are not the father, and clinical evidence that you cannot father children..
 
2013-02-16 07:47:31 PM
FTA: "A spokesperson for Friend of the Court tells 7 Action News that there is no clear reason other than human error to explain why multiple audits generated such varied amounts."


Did cops do the math?
 
2013-02-16 07:49:51 PM
Up yours, feminism!
 
2013-02-16 07:54:04 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "A spokesperson for Friend of the Court tells 7 Action News that there is no clear reason other than human error to explain why multiple audits generated such varied amounts."


Did cops do the math?


Republican math.
 
2013-02-16 07:55:28 PM
Sorry OP, you lost all credibility the moment you though that "anyways" was a cromulant word.
 
2013-02-16 07:56:52 PM

GAT_00: antidisestablishmentarianism: For the article maybe,

Yes, that was my point.


Because comment threads never drift to related, but broader issues, or entirely unrelated ones?

Who gives a flying fark if it has to do with exactly what's in the article?
 
2013-02-16 07:57:11 PM

Azlefty: TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?

She was receiving current support as well as payments on what he had not been paid; it is very possible that she was not aware that she was receiving the extra for the dead kid. I think it is more than plausible since she bred with this guy twice and face it he is not a rocket scientist and idiots usually attract


She knew.
I used to have to deal with mothers receiving welfare, food stamps, child support.
Trust me, even ones you would think couldn't open a door know about every penny they are to receive.
And you can bet when their amounts are off, delayed or otherwise disrupted they are fully aware and will be demanding appoinments with their case worker.
 
2013-02-16 07:58:41 PM

DownDaRiver: Azlefty: TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?

She was receiving current support as well as payments on what he had not been paid; it is very possible that she was not aware that she was receiving the extra for the dead kid. I think it is more than plausible since she bred with this guy twice and face it he is not a rocket scientist and idiots usually attract

She knew.
I used to have to deal with mothers receiving welfare, food stamps, child support.
Trust me, even ones you would think couldn't open a door know about every penny they are to receive.
And you can bet when their amounts are off, delayed or otherwise disrupted they are fully aware and will be demanding appoinments with their case worker.


Holy crap, I knew a woman like this

She knew to the hour when government transfer payments were due. It was creepy.
 
2013-02-16 07:59:07 PM

TommyymmoT: Why wasn't the mother arrested for fraud?


...because, "the Patriarchy!"
 
2013-02-16 08:00:30 PM

Azlefty: While this is not right there are a few issues that are not the Courts or the agencies fault
1. The Dad is an idiot
2. He was paying child support to the State becasue he did not pay it at first so they had to care for his little crotch nuggets, which resulted in him owing back support and the penalties and fees
3.The Dad is an idiot
4. No one told the court that the kid became worm food
5. The Dad is an idiot
6. Daddy O did not take the time for 23 years to figure out what he was paying for and waited the said 23 years to ask what it was and is all mad now becasue of it
7 Did I mention The Dad is an idiot.

Yes there is a error on the Courts part, but face it Dad should have been neutered years ago so his idiot seed does not create more cast member for idiocracy the reality series.

He needs to hire a lawyer who will get the Child supporter people to agree to call the debt satisfied just to end the negative publicity.


Sounds like victim blaming
 
2013-02-16 08:01:38 PM
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Yikes, Simpson's episode wasn't kidding!

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2013-02-16 08:02:20 PM

slayer199: I should say my EX was frustrated with no receiving her FoC Child Support payments on time. When we ended the FoC I paid her direct deposit until I received custody.


I'm pretty sure that FoC's are ripe for embezzlement. Sounds like the FoC in the FA needs to be audited top to bottom. If they can't get their numbers straight someones been stealing.
 
2013-02-16 08:02:33 PM
I goofed, wrong thread :)
 
2013-02-16 08:05:03 PM
Don't have kids. Problem solved. I have no ex-girlfriends pestering me for child support money.
 
2013-02-16 08:05:05 PM

WhippingBoy: Up yours, feminism!


I suspect it's the other way around - old-fashioned, stereotyped views of women as nurturers and men as wild animals who can serve kids best by getting the fark out of the house and bringing home some dough.  Hence women - the caring, gentle gender - win the majority of these disputes.  I'm not sure that's feminism.
 
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