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(YouTube) Video Are you a geek or a nerd? Are you using a Unix based system? Then why not watch an AT&T introduction to Unix from the 70s on your Unix based OS? And where the hell was I?   ( youtube.com) divider line
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2013-02-16 05:48:56 PM  
Most awkward narrator....  pause....


ever.... pause...

in ... pause

history... pause...
 
2013-02-16 06:03:49 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Most awkward narrator....  pause....


ever.... pause...

in ... pause

history... pause...


It took me a minute to figure it out - I think he had someone holding cue cards and he stopped every time they changed them.
 
2013-02-16 06:09:21 PM  

Lsherm: Doktor_Zhivago: Most awkward narrator....  pause....


ever.... pause...

in ... pause

history... pause...

It took me a minute to figure it out - I think he had someone holding cue cards and he stopped every time they changed them.


You too can graduate from the William Shatner... School of Broadcasting.
 
2013-02-16 06:34:53 PM  
# Script Generator
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2013-02-16 06:43:11 PM  
And where the hell was  I?

/NUDE GUN
 
2013-02-16 06:47:43 PM  
Anyways, AT&T youtube channel is full of gems.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 07:10:50 PM  
Better once you get past the clueless cue card guy at the beginning.

Something looks wrong with Kernighan's pipeline demo about 8-9 minutes in. His commands are English words, like "unique" where the Unix tool is called "uniq". Such abbreviations were pervasive. Unix creator Ken Thompson when asked what he would do differently if he had to write Unix again, replied "I'd spell create with an e."
 
2013-02-16 07:10:56 PM  
So, essentially, only people using OS X, Solaris OS and BSD?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 07:15:45 PM  
...and now I know what Mashey and Aho look like. Or looked like in 1982.

RexTalionis

I'm watching on OS X and typing this on BSD.  My Solaris machine died a couple years ago.
 
2013-02-16 07:20:12 PM  

ZAZ: Better once you get past the clueless cue card guy at the beginning.

Something looks wrong with Kernighan's pipeline demo about 8-9 minutes in. His commands are English words, like "unique" where the Unix tool is called "uniq". Such abbreviations were pervasive. Unix creator Ken Thompson when asked what he would do differently if he had to write Unix again, replied "I'd spell create with an e."


Interesting.

I am curious, do you have a link to something like that? I have always been interesting in listening to interviews with computer pioneers
 
2013-02-16 07:22:47 PM  

cman: ZAZ: Better once you get past the clueless cue card guy at the beginning.

Something looks wrong with Kernighan's pipeline demo about 8-9 minutes in. His commands are English words, like "unique" where the Unix tool is called "uniq". Such abbreviations were pervasive. Unix creator Ken Thompson when asked what he would do differently if he had to write Unix again, replied "I'd spell create with an e."

Interesting.

I am curious, do you have a link to something like that? I have always been interesting in listening to interviews with computer pioneers


You can rename all that shell stuff to whatever you want I think.. right? Am I crazy?
 
2013-02-16 07:24:06 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: cman: ZAZ: Better once you get past the clueless cue card guy at the beginning.

Something looks wrong with Kernighan's pipeline demo about 8-9 minutes in. His commands are English words, like "unique" where the Unix tool is called "uniq". Such abbreviations were pervasive. Unix creator Ken Thompson when asked what he would do differently if he had to write Unix again, replied "I'd spell create with an e."

Interesting.

I am curious, do you have a link to something like that? I have always been interesting in listening to interviews with computer pioneers

You can rename all that shell stuff to whatever you want I think.. right? Am I crazy?


Did you see that part with the kernel and the shell, too?

I never knew that before today of why those terms are used in computing
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 07:26:09 PM  
There's a woman about 16 minutes in. Big deal in those days.

cman

Wikiquote links to http://books.google.com/books?id=poFQAAAAMAAJ&q=%22spell+creat+with+a n +e%22&dq=%22spell+creat+with+an+e%22 but that's not where I read the quote. I don't remember where I saw it first.

I remember reading the quote around the same time as I read about Plan 9 (1990s) because that Unix successor did have an e on the end of create.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 07:41:05 PM  
And at 20 minutes in I saw an electric pencil sharpener.

And then they talk about using yacc and pipelines for VLSI design.  At work I have to deal with a lex+yacc parser designed by hardware people. It's a really strange design. It often works, but it's just bizarre. They had no idea how to implement optional fields so they wrote a preprocessing stage to parse the input using plain C, add the missing pieces, sort the result into the order required by the grammar, annotate the jumbled intermediate file with original line numbers, and feed the result into the yacc based parser that did not tolerate omissions. I bet Bell Labs' design was better.
 
2013-02-16 07:57:31 PM  
My first programming gig was back in 1980, at the ripe old age of 15, doing some work in APL, connected to a mainframe in Munich via a TI Silent 700 with an acoustic coupled 300 baud modem.

/stay off my lawn
 
2013-02-16 08:00:27 PM  

ZAZ: And at 20 minutes in I saw an electric pencil sharpener.


At 4:28 you can see an old 1A2 Key System phone on the guy's desk.
 
2013-02-16 08:27:42 PM  
cdn.hark.com
 
2013-02-16 11:31:19 PM  
Was it required to have a beard in the IT industry back then?  Probably explains the lack of women in the industry.
 
2013-02-16 11:33:55 PM  
"Are you using a UNIX-based system?"
If we're using a loose definition of UNIX-based... who isn't using one?
 
2013-02-17 12:17:02 AM  

SomethingInYourTeeth: Was it required to have a beard in the IT industry back then?  Probably explains the lack of women in the industry.




Had a computer math teacher in the first year it ever existed at my school. She was from IBM. Had an IQ 1500+.

/yes
 
2013-02-17 12:29:10 AM  
I still don't know which one I am.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:28 AM  
As someone who moved from *nix to the mainframe eight years ago, I'm getting a kick etc.

When Kernighan was talking about how painful file creation in other operating systems was at the time, he wasn't kidding.  On z/OS, there is no 'touch(1)' command to just create a file; I need to tell the operating system:

- what the file name is (of course)
- what the volume serial number (volser) is of the device I want the file to go
- what type of device that volser is (tape, DASD)
- the format of the file: is it a sequential or partitioned dataset?
- the number of bytes in each record
- the block size of the file
- finally, the size of the file in blocks, or tracks, or cylinders, or bytes.  Even before I know a thing about my output.  If we get to a point where we run out of space in that file, we need to create a new file and dump the old file into it.

The output file must be defined and cataloged before you attempt to send output to it.  If you want to pipe, you need to create a temp file, run a program to write to that temp file, and then run the second program to read from that temp file.  In bash:

touch foo; prog1 >> foo; prog2 << foo

instead of

prog1 | prog2

Needless to say, the learning curve on this nugget was fairly steep.  Good thing the mainframe is so good with I/O.
 
2013-02-17 01:42:55 AM  
Next!

/Take it to the geek thread
 
2013-02-17 02:17:06 AM  
The only problem with using Solaris as an operating system is the inevitable isolation, followed with your dead loved ones reappearing for no reason.
 
2013-02-17 02:30:21 AM  

Znuh: The only problem with using Solaris as an operating system is the inevitable isolation, followed with your dead loved ones reappearing for no reason.


Dont you mean NetBSD?
 
2013-02-17 02:49:59 AM  

ZAZ: And then they talk about using yacc and pipelines for VLSI design.


I haven't watched that far in yet...  They aren't talking about the Magic VLSI design program are they?  Its main functions were being ported to C from FORTRAN when I was messing with it in 86 using a brand new 3b5 (or 3b15?) but many of its parts had been in C for years but it also used the yacc version that made F77 code.
 
2013-02-17 03:20:28 AM  

SomethingInYourTeeth: Was it required to have a beard in the IT industry back then?  Probably explains the lack of women in the industry.


www.wired.com
 
2013-02-17 03:43:39 AM  

cman: Znuh: The only problem with using Solaris as an operating system is the inevitable isolation, followed with your dead loved ones reappearing for no reason.

Dont you mean NetBSD?


Solaris is the new Netware.
 
2013-02-17 05:38:12 AM  

ZAZ: There's a woman about 16 minutes in. Big deal in those days.


Not really.  WW2 produced a lot of women mathematicians, performing ballistics calculations for the men in the battlefield.  That crop of women mathematicians produced a lot of daughters who went on to become computer scientists.  Women in computer science in the 1980s wasn't nearly as unusual as people assume.
 
2013-02-17 06:20:36 AM  
Is it just me, or is there a whole lot of times in this video that they splice the audio "UNIX System" into whatever the person is saying like they're referring to it as something totally different?
 
2013-02-17 08:52:06 AM  
A related link is about the blit  It makes me miss my 5620.  A 5620 was a blit with a 3b2 processors.  It worked sort of like a timex sinclare with doing 1/2 the doing directly driving the tube and the other time driving 1/2 programs.

markie_farkie, as I told you at Gillies...(or where ever the fark party was)  get of my lawn or I'll throw punch cards at you!
 
2013-02-17 09:23:53 AM  
Mint Linux for the win!
 
2013-02-17 11:12:47 AM  
I should have paid more attention to my uncle when he talked about his work: he was involved in the project and ran one of their divisions. It seemed so boring at the time, wish I could go back in time and kick my own ass.
 
2013-02-17 03:52:29 PM  
Are you using a Unix based system?

Dialectic: Mint Linux for the win!


FAIL
 
2013-02-17 03:52:43 PM  
I know a dude at work that created some built-in shell commands back in the 80s. Still works at AT&T. Also some people I work with knew Bjarne Stroustrup back in the day.

/yea yea, CSB
 
2013-02-17 05:21:34 PM  
Hells ya, Fedora 18 biatches.  I've been using Linux as my primary desktop OS since '92 when you had to download Slackware floppies over a modem.  Now get off my lawn.
 
2013-02-17 10:18:00 PM  
I think that's...is that...

Nah.
 
2013-02-18 08:31:31 AM  
Subby: "Are you a geek or a nerd? Are you using a Unix based system? Then why not watch an AT&T introduction to Unix from the 70s 1982 on your Unix based OS? And where the hell was I? "

Know how I know subby didn't watch the video? 17 seconds in, that's why.
 
2013-02-19 06:53:29 AM  
"that's a unix book isn't it?"
"yea"
"Cool!"
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