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2013-02-16 05:10:29 PM
So the official GOP line now is that the CBO *and* the CRS are in cahoots with the tricksy Dems in order to make Republicans look bad with "heavily slanted and biased" numbers?

Reality has a liberal bias?

Sure, run with that.
 
2013-02-16 05:14:39 PM
The GOP is going to squeal about anything that does not completely support their agenda

/and I do mean anything
 
2013-02-16 06:03:50 PM
if it supports the GOP conclusions, then it is beyond reproach and how DARE you question the data!

if it doesn't support the GOP conclusions, then it's a vast left wing liberal plot to destroy the country and we should ignore the data.
 
2013-02-16 06:26:10 PM
GOP scummery, etc.  But what really grabbed me about that was how exciting the blog was.  That blog truly lived up to the excitement I expect from a tax law professor's blog.
 
2013-02-16 06:27:38 PM
Here's the thing: if everyone is ganging up to oppose you, it can mean one of two things.

1) you're being paranoid
2) you're so far wrong that <b>everyone</b> is ganging up to oppose you.
 
2013-02-16 06:33:33 PM

Beaver1224: Here's the thing: if everyone is ganging up to oppose you, it can mean one of two things.

1) you're being paranoid
2) you're so far wrong that <b>everyone</b> is ganging up to oppose you.


Maybe you are right, but nobody wants to hear it.
 
2013-02-16 07:11:40 PM

Beaver1224: Here's the thing: if everyone is ganging up to oppose you, it can mean one of two things.

1) you're being paranoid
2) you're so far wrong that <b>everyone</b> is ganging up to oppose you.


Why choose?
 
2013-02-16 07:54:56 PM
SOME MURICAN PATREEOT NEEDS TO UNSKEW THESE NUMBERS!1!
 
2013-02-16 08:40:50 PM
I'm sure the GOP only wants to ensure that the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of Americans results from any policies
 
2013-02-16 08:44:58 PM
Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?

Lionel Mandrake: I'm sure the GOP only wants to ensure that the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of Americans results from any policies


That's true, for a given value of 'American'.
 
2013-02-16 08:46:20 PM
Is it possible to strap an entire political party into a straightjacket and pump it full of antipsychotics?
 
2013-02-16 08:46:23 PM

palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?


Projection?
 
2013-02-16 08:47:05 PM
The GOP wants to cover up the numbers showing how badly the American worker is getting farked by corporations that refuse to pay taxes into our society, but have no problem getting rich on the back of said society?

Color me surprised.
 
2013-02-16 08:48:12 PM

palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?


I don't know the technical term, but the layman's term for it is "being a shiathead".
 
2013-02-16 08:49:55 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Is it possible to strap an entire political party into a straightjacket and pump it full of antipsychotics?


fark that. Pump em full of LSD, angel dust and bath salts.

And we better make sure that straightjacket is made out of that seatbelt material.

That is assuming it's not cost effective to strap them to a rocket and fire it into the Sun.
 
2013-02-16 08:56:58 PM

quatchi: So the official GOP line now is that the CBO *and* the CRS are in cahoots with the tricksy Dems in order to make Republicans look bad with "heavily slanted and biased" numbers?

Reality has a liberal bias?

Sure, run with that.


well they are using arabic numerals with al'gebra
 
2013-02-16 08:56:59 PM

palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?


"false consensus effect" is when a person assumes that other people think the same way they do, have the same beliefs, opinions, etc.  Is that what you mean?
 
2013-02-16 09:00:45 PM
NUMBERS ARE HITLER
 
2013-02-16 09:02:15 PM

Lackofname: Projection?


Yeah, related. but I thought there was special "so-and-so Effect" for the actual actions.  I could be delusional.  My brief wiki walk did lead me to Narcissistic personality disorder, but I got confused, since it said about 1% of people have it, but I thought 48% voted for Romney in the election.   The symptoms are... disturbing.
 
2013-02-16 09:03:05 PM
CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?
 
2013-02-16 09:04:11 PM

Lionel Mandrake: palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?

"false consensus effect" is when a person assumes that other people think the same way they do, have the same beliefs, opinions, etc.  Is that what you mean?


Something like that.  Man, that's going to bother me until I finish this scotch.
 
2013-02-16 09:05:47 PM
As for the rest, all of them crooks, rooking the people and cooking the books.
Seldom do you see, honest men like the GOP, gents of good intent whose content to be,

master of the House, quick to catch your eye,
never wants a passerby to pass him by
servent to the rich, butler to the great,
comforter, philanderer and lifelong mate

/Someone help me, have had this earworm for about a month now....
//food beyond compare, food beyond belief, mix it in a mincer and pretend its beef....
///god know how we've lasted living with these bastards in the HOUSE.
 
2013-02-16 09:07:54 PM

randomjsa: CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?


I would say that saying something is irrelevant is different than saying something is being deliberately skewed.  It may have similar practical consequences (not producing results that are trusted), but one presupposes  having nefarious intent and deliberately misleading.

It's the difference between "you don't know" and "YOU LIE!!"
 
2013-02-16 09:11:48 PM

quatchi: So the official GOP line now is that the CBO *and* the CRS are in cahoots with the tricksy Dems in order to make Republicans look bad with "heavily slanted and biased" numbers?

Reality has a liberal bias?

Sure, run with that.


Conservatards have been biatching about a biased cbo for a long time ime.
 
2013-02-16 09:13:20 PM

palelizard: Lionel Mandrake: palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?

"false consensus effect" is when a person assumes that other people think the same way they do, have the same beliefs, opinions, etc.  Is that what you mean?

Something like that.  Man, that's going to bother me until I finish this scotch.


Maybe it's on this list
 
2013-02-16 09:14:40 PM

Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?

I would say that saying something is irrelevant is different than saying something is being deliberately skewed.  It may have similar practical consequences (not producing results that are trusted), but one presupposes  having nefarious intent and deliberately misleading.

It's the difference between "you don't know" and "YOU LIE!!"


You're going to need to dumb it down a bit for that guy.
 
2013-02-16 09:16:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I would say that saying something is irrelevant is different than saying something is being deliberately skewed. It may have similar practical consequences (not producing results that are trusted), but one presupposes having nefarious intent and deliberately misleading.

It's the difference between "you don't know" and "YOU LIE!!"


Not really.

Either way you are saying you don't believe the numbers. Or to put it another way, one side doesn't believe the numbers and demands to know more, the other side doesn't really give a damn what the numbers say because they're going to do what they want regardless.
 
2013-02-16 09:21:41 PM

Craptastic: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?

I would say that saying something is irrelevant is different than saying something is being deliberately skewed.  It may have similar practical consequences (not producing results that are trusted), but one presupposes  having nefarious intent and deliberately misleading.

It's the difference between "you don't know" and "YOU LIE!!"

You're going to need to dumb it down a bit for that guy.


That was a good prediction.  Not a difficult one, perhaps, but a good one nonetheless.
 
2013-02-16 09:27:37 PM
The CBO uses discount rates approved by SATAN HIMSELF. Then they use ANCIENT PAGAN RITUALS to conjure up illegitimate option values for environmental goods to FURTHER THE COMMUNIST AGENDA. Their sensitivity analyses are DESTROYING THE VERY FABRIC OF AMERICA. Go to my blog and discover that the  MONTE CARLO SIMULATIONwas developed by  HEATHEN SWARTHY MEDITERRANEAN SOCIALISTSin order to charge  WHITE-PEDIGREE MALES usurious tax rates.
 
2013-02-16 09:29:14 PM

Tymast: well they are using arabic numerals with al'gebra


[ilol'd] at "al'gebra". Nice twist.
 
2013-02-16 09:32:27 PM
I don't have the list handy, is the CBO on it?
 
2013-02-16 09:34:44 PM

Craptastic: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?

I would say that saying something is irrelevant is different than saying something is being deliberately skewed.  It may have similar practical consequences (not producing results that are trusted), but one presupposes  having nefarious intent and deliberately misleading.

It's the difference between "you don't know" and "YOU LIE!!"

You're going to need to dumb it down a bit for that guy.


Dumbing it down far enough for randomdiarrhea to understand and expressing meaningful information are mutually contradictory, I'm pretty sure.
 
2013-02-16 09:43:09 PM
Did someone say unskewed numbers?

static5.businessinsider.com
And, you know, the thing about a conservitard... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he derps ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'.
 
2013-02-16 09:45:59 PM

fusillade762: I don't have the list handy, is the CBO on it?


Yeah, its on there:
LOPCATGOPATA
 
2013-02-16 10:02:14 PM

Lackofname: palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?

Projection?


Sounds like it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_bias

According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else. 'Emotions or excitations which the ego tries to ward off are "split out" and then felt as being outside the ego... perceived in another person'.[4] It is a common process.[5] The related defense of 'projective identification' differs from projection in that the impulse projected onto an external object does not appear as something alien and distant from the ego because the connection of the self with that projected impulse continues.[6]

In one example of the process, a person might have thoughts of infidelity with respect to a spouse or other partner. Instead of dealing with these undesirable thoughts consciously, the subject unconsciously projects these feelings onto the other person, and begins to think that the other has thoughts of infidelity and that the other may be having an affair. In this way, the subject may obtain 'acquittal by his conscience - if he projects his own impulses to faithlessness on to the partner to whom he owes faith'.[7] In this sense, projection is related to denial, arguably the only more primitive defense mechanism than projection, which, like all defense mechanisms, provides a function whereby a person can protect the conscious mind from a feeling that is otherwise repulsive.


One of example of where this is currently in effect is the Republicans feel justified in gerrymandering districts to pervert the results of elections because 'obviously Acorn is committing massive voter fraud' and so the Republicans are just re-levelling the playing field.

Despite, you know, Acorn not having existed for several years.
 
2013-02-16 10:05:54 PM

Danack: Lackofname: palelizard: *snip*

Despite, you know, Acorn not having existed for several years.


Or, you know, having committed fraud in the first place even when they did exist.

/How many offices did that little troll piece of shiat have to get kicked out of before he finally got a semi-incriminating answer?
 
2013-02-16 10:23:36 PM

palelizard: Does anyone remember the name for the psychological effect where you assume everyone else is doing the same things you are?


It looks like "projective attribution" might have been the formal jargon at one point.
 
2013-02-16 10:30:07 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Did someone say unskewed numbers?

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]
And, you know, the thing about a conservitard... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he derps ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'.


Actually, I went to school with this cat. He began a paper because he couldn't get his stuff into the campus paper. His American Spectator, oddly enough, used imagery that was reminiscent enough of Nazi paraphernalia that, while his freedom of speech was upheld by the University of Maine, it did get him an awful lot of questions. That he barely deigned to answer. Dean was a bitter, bitter, bitter chunky butt then, and he has only grown in those regards. He is far from lifeless, but he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career. And given that UMF had about a 6/1 ratio of women to men, that is actually saying something. None of the Christian girls--and there were a fair number of them--none of the gals at WUMF where he had a show, oddly enough, near my own time slot when I was DJing there as my own Fark namesake, none of the folks in Student Government where he was never actually selected to serve, despite REALLY wanting to represent an organization, and attending a LOT of meetings.

Dean is a classically frustrated human. He has been since I met him. He hasn't really improved much since then, but at least he's found a way to make it pay...
 
2013-02-16 10:35:17 PM

hubiestubert: Doktor_Zhivago: Did someone say unskewed numbers?

[static5.businessinsider.com image 400x300]
And, you know, the thing about a conservitard... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he derps ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'.

Actually, I went to school with this cat. He began a paper because he couldn't get his stuff into the campus paper. His American Spectator, oddly enough, used imagery that was reminiscent enough of Nazi paraphernalia that, while his freedom of speech was upheld by the University of Maine, it did get him an awful lot of questions. That he barely deigned to answer. Dean was a bitter, bitter, bitter chunky butt then, and he has only grown in those regards. He is far from lifeless, but he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career. And given that UMF had about a 6/1 ratio of women to men, that is actually saying something. None of the Christian girls--and there were a fair number of them--none of the gals at WUMF where he had a show, oddly enough, near my own time slot when I was DJing there as my own Fark namesake, none of the folks in Student Government where he was never actually selected to serve, despite REALLY wanting to represent an organization, and attending a LOT of meetings.

Dean is a classically frustrated human. He has been since I met him. He hasn't really improved much since then, but at least he's found a way to make it pay...


Wow.. that was almost as good as the "Joe Buck pissed in my shoe" guy's story.  I just meant the picture makes his eyes look dead.  Now I feel bad :'(

/sorry sad little republican man
//is that ratio still the same at UMF? cause i'm back on the market now....
 
2013-02-16 10:37:05 PM

hubiestubert: Actually, I went to school with this cat.


This is awesome.

Jackson Herring; paging Jackson Herring to Fark thread #7596552...
 
2013-02-16 10:45:48 PM
hubiestubert: ...he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career.

Never underestimate the fury of a wingnut scorned, apparently.

So DC is basically a seething (butter) ball of resentment who needs to get laid in the worst possible way?

Dare one ask what sort of madness he was spewing over the airwaves at WUMF?

Pretty sure he wasn't hosting a light Jazz show.
 
2013-02-16 10:47:15 PM

quatchi: hubiestubert: ...he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career.

Never underestimate the fury of a wingnut scorned, apparently.

So DC is basically a seething (butter) ball of resentment who needs to get laid in the worst possible way?

Dare one ask what sort of madness he was spewing over the airwaves at WUMF?

Pretty sure he wasn't hosting a light

Smooth Jazz show.

Smooth jazz...  jeez... get it right man.
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-16 11:03:15 PM

randomjsa: CBO says something Republicans don't like, they question it.

CBO says something Democrats don't like, they pretend the CBO doesn't matter anyway.

Is there a difference?


SO VOTE REPUBLICAN HERPA DERPA DOOOOOOOP
 
2013-02-16 11:06:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The GOP is going to squeal about anything that does not completely support their agenda

/and I do mean anything


Who will unskew the budget reports? How about the guy who did such a fine job unskewing the polls!
 
2013-02-16 11:10:41 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Smooth jazz...  jeez... get it right man.


*fingersnaps of regretfullness*

My bad!

LOL! Kelpy G is still funny.
 
2013-02-16 11:18:07 PM

quatchi: Doktor_Zhivago: Smooth jazz...  jeez... get it right man.

*fingersnaps of regretfullness*

My bad!

LOL! Kelpy G is still funny.


The smooth jazz DJs always have the deepest smoothest most soothing voices though.  My mom always listened to the philly smooth jazz station when she was taking me to school, so I grew up with that shiat.  farking soprano sax... god I hate that instrument. I'm scarred for life.

/Mayonnaise is unfortunately not a smooth jazz instrument though it is sometimes used in some John Cage pieces.
 
2013-02-16 11:18:43 PM
Can't seem to win?

static.foxsports.com

You can always play the ref.
 
2013-02-16 11:19:16 PM

quatchi: hubiestubert: ...he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career.

Never underestimate the fury of a wingnut scorned, apparently.

So DC is basically a seething (butter) ball of resentment who needs to get laid in the worst possible way?

Dare one ask what sort of madness he was spewing over the airwaves at WUMF?

Pretty sure he wasn't hosting a light Jazz show.


Dean was a fervent believer in anything Republican back in the day. He heaped invective on Clinton, he did play a few tunes on occasion--because of the playlist agreement with CMJ--and he tended towards a lot of power rock. He loved Newt. He loved Reagan. He was essentially a big projection machine, looking for validation in the causes he was close to, as opposed to really himself, since he was sort of a repulsive human, and his somewhat racist and sexist views were pretty much repugnant as well. He was, at least then, not a homophobe, but he WAS a fan of the efficiency of the German people of the middling twentieth century. He was convinced that airstrikes were made to distract folks from Monica's dress. He was convinced that Clinton was going to destroy the nation. He was convinced that religions had to be controlled, because pagans would use that newfound power to make everyone a vegan. He was not a fan of any policy that didn't see the US blowing the crap out of brown people. Or yellow people. Or even white folks who had too much hair. Ruby Ridge was a conspiracy. He was very much a precursor to the current madness that affects my former party, and that was the sad thing: we shared a party, and he was at the bleeding edge of it in crazy, and he hasn't changed so much over the years. The party has morphed enough that he seems a decent man to tout policies, and that is really the pity. Not his own brand of crazy, but that it is now acceptable by folks who have real power...

He's still the same bitter, tubby man. He's just now useful, and really, that's all he's been hoping for all these years: to finally sit at the cool kids table. Well, he sat with us at WUMF, but he really didn't like all the dancers, the punks, and the rest, though he did stare with some longing...
 
2013-02-16 11:24:04 PM

hubiestubert: quatchi: hubiestubert: ...he was rejected by every single woman he approached in his college career.

Never underestimate the fury of a wingnut scorned, apparently.

So DC is basically a seething (butter) ball of resentment who needs to get laid in the worst possible way?

Dare one ask what sort of madness he was spewing over the airwaves at WUMF?

Pretty sure he wasn't hosting a light Jazz show.

Dean was a fervent believer in anything Republican back in the day. He heaped invective on Clinton, he did play a few tunes on occasion--because of the playlist agreement with CMJ--and he tended towards a lot of power rock. He loved Newt. He loved Reagan. He was essentially a big projection machine, looking for validation in the causes he was close to, as opposed to really himself, since he was sort of a repulsive human, and his somewhat racist and sexist views were pretty much repugnant as well. He was, at least then, not a homophobe, but he WAS a fan of the efficiency of the German people of the middling twentieth century. He was convinced that airstrikes were made to distract folks from Monica's dress. He was convinced that Clinton was going to destroy the nation. He was convinced that religions had to be controlled, because pagans would use that newfound power to make everyone a vegan. He was not a fan of any policy that didn't see the US blowing the crap out of brown people. Or yellow people. Or even white folks who had too much hair. Ruby Ridge was a conspiracy. He was very much a precursor to the current madness that affects my former party, and that was the sad thing: we shared a party, and he was at the bleeding edge of it in crazy, and he hasn't changed so much over the years. The party has morphed enough that he seems a decent man to tout policies, and that is really the pity. Not his own brand of crazy, but that it is now acceptable by folks who have real power...

He's still the same bitter, tubby man. He's just now useful, and really, that's all he's been hop ...


He sounds like Harold in The Stand. That is some depressing shiat you just shared.

Nadine...Nadine... how I love to love Nadine to be my queen...
 
2013-02-16 11:25:38 PM

silo123j: As for the rest, all of them crooks, rooking the people and cooking the books.
Seldom do you see, honest men like the GOP, gents of good intent whose content to be,

master of the House, quick to catch your eye,
never wants a passerby to pass him by
servent to the rich, butler to the great,
comforter, philanderer and lifelong mate

/Someone help me, have had this earworm for about a month now....
//food beyond compare, food beyond belief, mix it in a mincer and pretend its beef....
///god know how we've lasted living with these bastards in the HOUSE.


Do what I do and listen to the full soundtrack once a week or so. That'll either cure it or drive your obsession to the point where you have 5 different versions of the soundtrack.

\Original London, Original Broadway, 10th Anniversary, Complete Symphonic, Movie.
\\I was not kidding.
\\\Also have two different translations of the book.
 
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