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(Salon)   New essay claims that gun violence is caused by... (spins blame wheel)...let's see... movie critics. Now that's a new one   (salon.com) divider line 53
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2013-02-16 05:01:25 PM  
Damn you Ebert!
 
2013-02-16 05:08:30 PM  
I don't want to shoot anyone but after reading that I kinda want to break someone's fingers.
 
2013-02-16 05:13:30 PM  
If it wasn't for my hose, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
 
2013-02-16 05:23:17 PM  
Got to admit Rex Reed makes me a bit stabby at times but never shooty so I'm not sure if this article is entirely accurate.
 
2013-02-16 06:29:26 PM  
Armond White is the sole exception, of course.
 
2013-02-16 06:30:48 PM  
The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.
 
2013-02-16 06:30:52 PM  
The ghost of Gene Siskel appears to me occasionally and tells me to shoot that fat asshole who by all rights should have had the heart-attack.

But I have nothing against John Candy.....
 
2013-02-16 06:38:08 PM  
The only thing that can stop a bad critic is a good critic
 
2013-02-16 06:42:13 PM  
"Gun Violence" is such a retarded term.  Think about it.  It just sounds so stupid.  The guns aren't coming to life and becoming violent little bastards.
 
2013-02-16 06:43:26 PM  

Mentat: Damn you Ebert!


One and done.
 
2013-02-16 06:50:07 PM  
Personally I would be more happy if Hollywood movies were more like European movies: less violence more sex, or more explicit sex.

Now I'm off to go watch "The Sessions" starring a nekkid Helen Hunt.
 
2013-02-16 06:50:38 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I don't want to shoot anyone but after reading that I kinda want to break someone's fingers.


There was a point in there somewhere but Jesus Christ, why did he think he needed 1000+ words to make it?

/not even a very good point.
 
2013-02-16 06:51:03 PM  
For those not willing to read all that: current movies glorify murder and violence, and movie critics are complicit in this because they are insufficiently critical of this trend.
 
2013-02-16 06:51:53 PM  

No Time To Explain: The only thing that can stop a bad critic is a good critic


We're screwed.
 
2013-02-16 06:54:10 PM  
This it's why I stopped listening to movie critics. That should be on the "NO" sheet when you try to buy a gun.

"Do you heed the advice of movie critics? YES / NO"
 
2013-02-16 06:58:59 PM  

Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.


Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.
 
2013-02-16 07:03:38 PM  
"Even by an optimistic count, America is down to a few dozen professional film critics "

Still too many.
 
2013-02-16 07:03:38 PM  
Those around Roger Ebert confirmed to say his jaw dropped when he heard.
 
2013-02-16 07:04:50 PM  
The argument that violent media is responsible for shootings must be accurate because no other country in the world has access to violent media.
 
2013-02-16 07:05:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I don't want to shoot anyone but after reading that I kinda want to break someone's fingers.

There was a point in there somewhere but Jesus Christ, why did he think he needed 1000+ words to make it?

/not even a very good point.


Was the point: No, movie critics are not shills for the NRA? I'm not sure what his point was, exactly. I got lost about 2/3 of the way through his tangled multisyllabic film-junket jargon.
 
2013-02-16 07:06:39 PM  
That was one of the most unpleasant things I've ever tried to read.
 
2013-02-16 07:07:21 PM  
What causes "gun violence?" The gun fanatics have assured me there is no such thing as "gun violence." It's all just violence, they say. Only maniacal gun grabbing liberal tyrants bother distinguishing between the instruments used to effect it. I was about to say there's no meaningful difference between a gun fight and a pillow fight. But then I remembered that "gun fight" and "pillow fight" are non-concepts just like "gun violence."
 
2013-02-16 07:08:40 PM  

IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.


All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.
 
2013-02-16 07:10:28 PM  

mittromneysdog: What causes "gun violence?" The gun fanatics have assured me there is no such thing as "gun violence." It's all just violence, they say. Only maniacal gun grabbing liberal tyrants bother distinguishing between the instruments used to effect it. I was about to say there's no meaningful difference between a gun fight and a pillow fight. But then I remembered that "gun fight" and "pillow fight" are non-concepts just like "gun violence."


Gun fights aren't massively sexy when engaged in by scantily-clad teens young adults.

I may have said too much.
 
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2013-02-16 07:11:11 PM  

dahmers love zombie: IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.

All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.


Well, that was true for all of the recent mass shooters too, until it wasn't.

/Let us know before you snap, pls.
 
2013-02-16 07:16:41 PM  

IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.


Oh there was a real post like this in the thread! My sarcastic post about the ideological blinders of the gun fanatics wasn't needed! Terrific! I can mock you personally instead!

dahmers love zombie: Gun fights aren't massively sexy when engaged in by scantily-clad teens young adults.


What are you talking about? They're both just forms of violence, with no real difference between them at all. I don't even understand what the phrase "gun fight" could possibly refer to.

A pillow is just a tool, like a firearm or a drill bit. Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands... deadly. Weirdly, you never hear maniacal gun grabbing liberal tyrants call for "pillow control." The only rational explanation is that they hate gun owners, and want to persecute them.
 
2013-02-16 07:18:20 PM  

dahmers love zombie: IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.

All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.


But then you are using your gun for entertainment, not as a tool...
 
2013-02-16 07:21:29 PM  
Guns don't kill. People with guns kill.
 
2013-02-16 07:28:18 PM  

jimk777: "Gun Violence" is such a retarded term.  Think about it.  It just sounds so stupid.  The guns aren't coming to life and becoming violent little bastards.


Oh, this thread is a gold mine of gun fanatic crazy!

Same thing with "snowball fight." Absolutely retarded. The snowballs aren't coming to life and hurling themselves at each other.

And I flip out whenever I hear the phrase "drug abuse." The drugs aren't abusing anyone! There's no such thing as "drug abuse." Only people who abuse drugs. The drugs are the real victims here!
 
2013-02-16 07:36:32 PM  
it fits with the known facts, including the striking fact that even as overall crime rates have trended downward over the past 30 years in the United States, spectacular acts of mass murder along the lines of Aurora or Sandy Hook have apparently become more common.

The only thing that has changed is the ease with which we can lockup nutjobs. The automatic weapons have been available for a hundred years. My grandpa had a Browning 12 gauge machine gun dated from 1912. I borrowed it and took it to school as an example of early mass production. Nobody thought anything of it. Klebold, Harris, Cho, Loughner, Holmes and Lanza were obviously deranged and 3 were seeing psych professionals for their problems. Loughner was committed and Holmes undoubtedly will be committed. Too bad no lives will be saved. The standards for commital are too high and that's the fault of the ACLU and not the NRA or Tarantino.
 
2013-02-16 07:39:48 PM  
Stopped reading at "film critics are underpaid."
 
2013-02-16 07:41:43 PM  

dahmers love zombie: IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.

All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.


You're using ALL of them incorrectly. Btw, how many do you need to protect yourself from these evil paper things?
 
2013-02-16 07:51:27 PM  

quatchi: Got to admit Rex Reed makes me a bit stabby at times but never shooty so I'm not sure if this article is entirely accurate.


I have to admit, though, I wouldn't mind if that scumbag made somebody feel shooty. I would shed nary a tear, nor feel any guilt, if that happened.

/I'm already pre-approved for hell, though
 
2013-02-16 07:57:03 PM  

dahmers love zombie: mittromneysdog: What causes "gun violence?" The gun fanatics have assured me there is no such thing as "gun violence." It's all just violence, they say. Only maniacal gun grabbing liberal tyrants bother distinguishing between the instruments used to effect it. I was about to say there's no meaningful difference between a gun fight and a pillow fight. But then I remembered that "gun fight" and "pillow fight" are non-concepts just like "gun violence."

Gun fights aren't massively sexy when engaged in by scantily-clad teens young adults.

I may have said too much.


i7.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 08:01:04 PM  
"Guns don't kill people, nuh-uh. I kill people... with guns."

/Obscure?
 
2013-02-16 08:10:58 PM  

Evil High Priest: dahmers love zombie: IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.

All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.

You're using ALL of them incorrectly. Btw, how many do you need to protect yourself from these evil paper things?


I only NEED a rudimentary shack to survive.  I HAVE a house.

/12
//I've only shot 7 of them
///the rest are antiques I inherited
 
2013-02-16 08:17:14 PM  
Guns are a fetish object.  Loud and attention grabbing, power over life and death, instant respect.  Guns don't appeal to the rational part of the brain - they appeal to the irrational parts, and are wrapped up with security and sexuality.  You can't have a rational discussion about guns, for the most part - because you can't get past the "gun makes me feel good" part with most people.
 
2013-02-16 08:42:56 PM  
Gene Shalit can be blamed for the Branch Davidian incident in Waco.
 
2013-02-16 08:57:29 PM  

Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.


I hate that stupid comparison so much I want to shoot someone.
 
2013-02-16 08:59:55 PM  

dahmers love zombie: IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.

All of my guns, which have been used as directed and have never killed anything but pieces of paper, would disagree with you.  What an extraordinarily vapid perspective.


Paper targets simulate live targets.
 
2013-02-16 10:36:29 PM  
I can say one thing about that article
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2013-02-17 12:30:04 AM  
Companies pay millions to advertise commercials because they get people to purchase or use their product.  To say violent movies and video games don't affect weak minded individuals is disingenuous.
 
2013-02-17 12:42:18 AM  

BGates: Companies pay millions to advertise commercials because they get people to purchase or use their product.  To say violent movies and video games don't affect weak minded individuals is disingenuous.


"The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak."
 
2013-02-17 12:47:20 AM  

noitsnot: Guns are a fetish object.  Loud and attention grabbing, power over life and death, instant respect.  Guns don't appeal to the rational part of the brain - they appeal to the irrational parts, and are wrapped up with security and sexuality.  You can't have a rational discussion about guns, for the most part - because you can't get past the "gun makes me feel good" part with most people.


God didn't make every man equal. Sam Colt did.
 
2013-02-17 01:43:52 AM  

IlGreven: Propain_az: The only violence there is, is people violence.  A "gun" is just a tool, like a hammer or 3/8" drill bit.  Usually harmless, but in the wrong hands..deadly.

Used as directed, a hammer has nonlethal useful purposes.

Used as directed, a gun does nothing but kill.


Only if directed to kill.
 
2013-02-17 03:13:29 AM  
I think most of the people that hate or fear guns are just nancy boys who have no actual experiences with firearms, or people that have and use firearms. To them you can never just "own" a firearm, you must have some sort of deep seated phobia or mental defect. It really is quite sad that so many "liberal" fark posters are so quick to generalize and spew hate again millions of law abiding americans.

I own guns for self-defense, hunting, sport, and in case SHTF. It's not my problem that someone goes on a shooting spree anymore than a Sushi chef is responsible for a knife wielding maniac slashing COeds.
 
2013-02-17 03:16:48 AM  
Meh, no more or less dumb than blaming it on guns.
 
2013-02-17 06:10:33 AM  
I'm willing to have the first amendment rights of movie critics revoked and see if it decreases shootings. President Billy Jeff revoked our second amendment rights for 10 years and it didn't change anything. But as long as we're revoking peoples' rights how about we have a moratorium on the media putting on a 3 ring circus every time the voices in the head of some looney tune tells him to go out and kill a bunch of people. Why don't we treat it just like some other random regrettable incident like a bus crash on I-80. "A bus crashed and caught on fire and 35 people died." If nobody's going to do anything substantiative preemptively about the crazies then at least don't provoke them.
 
2013-02-17 08:33:55 AM  

GUTSU: I think most of the people that hate or fear guns are just nancy boys


NOT A FETISH.
 
2013-02-17 10:27:08 AM  

BGates: Companies pay millions to advertise commercials because they get people to purchase or use their product.  To say violent movies and video games don't affect weak minded individuals is disingenuous.


This is so obvious. It's astounding that more people don't see the (dis)connection
 
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