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2013-02-16 12:57:11 PM
Titles matter, but they're not necessary.  People keep saying that in all sports, as if Dan Marino isn't one of the five greatest quarterbacks of all-time (probably top-three, possibly in the argument for best).
 
2013-02-16 01:43:16 PM
LeBron took an average team, with a below average coach, to the Finals by himself. Michael and Magic never did that, they were playing with other Top 50 guys, in the primes of the careers, with two of the best coaches the NBA has ever seen.

I think when all is said and done, LeBron will easily be one of, if not the best, to ever play the game.
 
2013-02-16 05:48:21 PM
He must be doing something to piss off the old guard.  They seem to go out of their way to hate on him.  And it must be something huge, since they keep giving love to Kobe while they shiat on LeBron, and Kobe is an epic ass supposedly.

Really don't like LeBron, but I think it's laughable to put him outside top ten, maybe top five, to ever play.  Dude is a beast twenty different ways.

Mitch is right too, had LeBron ever played for a competent coach, he'd probably have three or four titles already.  Much less the greatest coach ever and another excellent coach like Jordan and Magic did.
 
2013-02-16 05:54:09 PM
Well, his point about Bill Russell is spot on. Nobody questions MJ being the greatest but Russell doubled him up on championship dominance. And, didn't they win their first championship at the same age? While I think the MJ/LbJ career comparisons are stupid...I think they are stupid because lebron is going to be playing another 8 years probably....not because Michael's career was so much better.

Also, holy shiat did you look at the other starters on that Cavs finals team? Let me know which ones are comparable to Pippen, Rodman, or the rest of those Bulls teams.
 
2013-02-16 05:59:31 PM
The number of Endorsement Contracts a player has is a better judge of greatness.
 
2013-02-16 06:02:20 PM

bulldg4life: Well, his point about Bill Russell is spot on. Nobody questions MJ being the greatest but Russell doubled him up on championship dominance. And, didn't they win their first championship at the same age? While I think the MJ/LbJ career comparisons are stupid...I think they are stupid because lebron is going to be playing another 8 years probably....not because Michael's career was so much better.

Also, holy shiat did you look at the other starters on that Cavs finals team? Let me know which ones are comparable to Pippen, Rodman, or the rest of those Bulls teams.


Heck, look at the starters on the Heat.  Pippen's better than Wade, especially if you don't quite need a top of the line scorer as your 2nd best player.

Rodman beats Bosh, too.  Then the rest of the guys?  Bulls win easy.
 
2013-02-16 06:02:36 PM

bulldg4life: Well, his point about Bill Russell is spot on. Nobody questions MJ being the greatest but Russell doubled him up on championship dominance. And, didn't they win their first championship at the same age? While I think the MJ/LbJ career comparisons are stupid...I think they are stupid because lebron is going to be playing another 8 years probably....not because Michael's career was so much better.

Also, holy shiat did you look at the other starters on that Cavs finals team? Let me know which ones are comparable to Pippen, Rodman, or the rest of those Bulls teams.


I think if Jordan hadn't walked away after their first three championships, there's a good chance the bulls win 8 in a row.  I don't see that Rockets team beating them.
 
2013-02-16 06:09:59 PM
Well of course Jordan says rings matter. He has more of them than Lebron, and he wants to protect his reputation.
 
2013-02-16 06:10:00 PM

bulldg4life: Nobody questions MJ being the greatest


I'll question it.

Magic could do more things on the court, and had he not gotten HIV, probably would have snuck in there for a 6th ring. Bird was possibly the most competitive player to ever step on the court. Russell won more, and was the ultimate team guy. They changed the rules of the game for Chamberlain, O'Neal and Alcindor. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for 82 games, and damn near did it 3 or 4 other times. And nobody who has ever played the game has had the combination of size, speed, and skills that LeBron James has.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't the greatest, that's a subjective thing anyway, but it's not unquestioned.

The game existed before 1989.
 
2013-02-16 06:12:29 PM

mitchcumstein1: bulldg4life: Nobody questions MJ being the greatest

I'll question it.

Magic could do more things on the court, and had he not gotten HIV, probably would have snuck in there for a 6th ring. Bird was possibly the most competitive player to ever step on the court. Russell won more, and was the ultimate team guy. They changed the rules of the game for Chamberlain, O'Neal and Alcindor. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for 82 games, and damn near did it 3 or 4 other times. And nobody who has ever played the game has had the combination of size, speed, and skills that LeBron James has.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't the greatest, that's a subjective thing anyway, but it's not unquestioned.

The game existed before 1989.


You can make the arguments just fine. However, the general consensus and any major vote would always have MJ one.

Now, in addition to titles, MJ benefitted from the explosion of sportscenter, cable tv, and...most importantly...nike's global marketing. He was made bigger than life and he continues to be that way.

But, it will always be assumed that be was the greatest.
 
2013-02-16 06:13:52 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: bulldg4life: Well, his point about Bill Russell is spot on. Nobody questions MJ being the greatest but Russell doubled him up on championship dominance. And, didn't they win their first championship at the same age? While I think the MJ/LbJ career comparisons are stupid...I think they are stupid because lebron is going to be playing another 8 years probably....not because Michael's career was so much better.

Also, holy shiat did you look at the other starters on that Cavs finals team? Let me know which ones are comparable to Pippen, Rodman, or the rest of those Bulls teams.

I think if Jordan hadn't walked away after their first three championships, there's a good chance the bulls win 8 in a row.  I don't see that Rockets team beating them.


You can play the what if game all day long.

What if lebron wins two more with the heat, opts out and returns to Cleveland and wins one or two more over the next decade...
 
2013-02-16 06:16:46 PM

bulldg4life: What if lebron wins two more with the heat, opts out and returns to Cleveland and wins one or two more over the next decade...


Or decides that only titles count towards your greatness, so he keeps signing one year contracts for the veterans' minimum and goes wherever the best team/coach situation is.
 
2013-02-16 06:21:36 PM
He's right. All this talk about winning a title is a bunch of macho nonsense. He's won one, he'll probably win another this year and a few after that, but he would have been one of the league's all-time greats even with zero rings. I'd be totally fine if LeBron eventually eclipsed MJ in popularity - in fact, I hope he does.
 
2013-02-16 06:24:52 PM

bulldg4life: mitchcumstein1: bulldg4life: Nobody questions MJ being the greatest

I'll question it.

Magic could do more things on the court, and had he not gotten HIV, probably would have snuck in there for a 6th ring. Bird was possibly the most competitive player to ever step on the court. Russell won more, and was the ultimate team guy. They changed the rules of the game for Chamberlain, O'Neal and Alcindor. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for 82 games, and damn near did it 3 or 4 other times. And nobody who has ever played the game has had the combination of size, speed, and skills that LeBron James has.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't the greatest, that's a subjective thing anyway, but it's not unquestioned.

The game existed before 1989.

You can make the arguments just fine. However, the general consensus and any major vote would always have MJ one.


Maybe, but it's not unquestioned, and there can be arguments made, legitimate arguments, for other players.

Now, in addition to titles, MJ benefitted from the explosion of sportscenter, cable tv, and...most importantly...nike's global marketing. He was made bigger than life and he continues to be that way.

But, it will always be assumed that be was the greatest.


No it won't. There were other "all time greatest" before Jordan, there will be others after him.

Hell, kids in high school now never saw him play, not the real Jordan at least, they saw the washed up version. There's always going to be somebody come along who's greater, who's better. We're probably watching him play in Miami right now.
 
2013-02-16 06:25:23 PM
You can't really compare the two at this moment. Besides, LeBron's career is seemingly far from over.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think that LeBron will surpass Jordan when all is said and done.

I think the old guard hates that because they want to think of the time they played as the "golden age" of the NBA and that they played either with or against the best player to ever play the game. I think marginalizing LeBron by claiming that Kobe is better, they can say that not only is LeBron not the best player ever, but he's not even the best player of his own era. Meanwhile, Kobe is less of a "threat" per se because there's pretty well a consensus that Michael was better than Kobe with Kobe sort of being "MJ 2.0". Meanwhile, LeBron is doing a lot of things we haven't really seen before. He's not a clone of anybody, he's a freak who is forging his own legacy, and that probably doesn't sit well with some people.

/My two cents.
 
2013-02-16 06:30:43 PM
It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.
 
2013-02-16 06:32:03 PM

JohnnyRebel88: It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.


Hakeem won a couple, and Reggie played for a decade past Jordan's prime.
 
2013-02-16 06:32:22 PM
It is a team sport so there is room for great players on shiatty teams.
 
2013-02-16 06:33:19 PM

JohnnyRebel88: It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.


Really? The Bulls went to the Finals or won it every year Barkley and Miller were in the league?
 
2013-02-16 06:49:31 PM
"At the end of the day, rings don't always define someone's career. "

yes they do you motherfarking asshat. you will never be jordan. never. he's in a class of his own. one that you will never be in. he didn't "take his talents" anywhere while playing. he farking owned everyone while playing. he build an empire in chicago. all you have done is let down the people you went to play for and left when they didn't build anyone around you.
 
2013-02-16 06:52:49 PM

wiredtolain: he didn't "take his talents" anywhere while playing


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2013-02-16 06:57:17 PM
Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing never won titles either but I wouldn't call either of them any less than great players.

On the other hand, Greg Kite of the Celtics won two championship titles, and he's just an average player at best.
 
2013-02-16 06:58:17 PM

wiredtolain: "At the end of the day, rings don't always define someone's career. "

yes they do you motherfarking asshat. you will never be jordan. never. he's in a class of his own. one that you will never be in. he didn't "take his talents" anywhere while playing. he farking owned everyone while playing. he build an empire in chicago. all you have done is let down the people you went to play for and left when they didn't build anyone around you.


Like they did around Michael?

Not in a class by himself. He was not some all conquering God, and he actually spent the first half his career getting his brains beat in by the Celtics and Pistons.
 
2013-02-16 07:12:16 PM

mitchcumstein1: He was not some all conquering God, and he actually spent the first half his career getting his brains beat in by the Celtics and Pistons.


When he dropped 63 on the Celtics in an early career playoff game, Larry Bird called him "God disguised as Michael Jordan".

Of course the Bulls lost that series, so I guess he was just a regular god and not an all conquering god.

GOAT arguments are the best, because no one can be proven wrong.
 
2013-02-16 07:16:44 PM

SBinRR: mitchcumstein1: He was not some all conquering God, and he actually spent the first half his career getting his brains beat in by the Celtics and Pistons.

When he dropped 63 on the Celtics in an early career playoff game, Larry Bird called him "God disguised as Michael Jordan".

Of course the Bulls lost that series, so I guess he was just a regular god and not an all conquering god.


Not only did they lose that series, they lost that game.
 
2013-02-16 07:20:51 PM
What's with all the Michael Jordan pud-pulling lately?

The old guys need to sit the fark down.  Their time has passed.  Be dignified older statesmen -- but then it's impossible for MJ to do that, isn't it?
 
2013-02-16 07:21:50 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: What's with all the Michael Jordan pud-pulling lately?

The old guys need to sit the fark down.  Their time has passed.  Be dignified older statesmen -- but then it's impossible for MJ to do that, isn't it?


His fiftieth birthday is tomorrow and nothing else is happening in the world of sports.
 
2013-02-16 07:27:20 PM

mitchcumstein1: JohnnyRebel88: It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.

Really? The Bulls went to the Finals or won it every year Barkley and Miller were in the league?


Yes.  Didn't they win like 15 titles?
 
2013-02-16 07:31:17 PM
my name is michael jordan, i'm fifty years old and i like to kick and stretch and kick.


www.officialpsds.com

/hmmm
 
2013-02-16 07:42:40 PM

mitchcumstein1: bulldg4life: Nobody questions MJ being the greatest

I'll question it.

Magic could do more things on the court, and had he not gotten HIV, probably would have snuck in there for a 6th ring. Bird was possibly the most competitive player to ever step on the court. Russell won more, and was the ultimate team guy. They changed the rules of the game for Chamberlain, O'Neal and Alcindor. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for 82 games, and damn near did it 3 or 4 other times. And nobody who has ever played the game has had the combination of size, speed, and skills that LeBron James has.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't the greatest, that's a subjective thing anyway, but it's not unquestioned.

The game existed before 1989.


A guy that can't dunk, wasn't a very good perimeter defender, and was a spotty 3 point shooter "could do more things on the court" than His Airness? Wrong. Magic "probably would have snuck another title" after they played each other in 1992 and Jordan dominated? Wrong again (unless Magic ended up on the Bulls).

Oscar would openly sabotage games to try to keep that triple double streak going (part of the reason why he never won a championship). They also changed the rules for Jordan, allowing the Knicks to become MMA fighters on the hardwood during the playoffs to give them a shot against the Bulls. And after he retired, they changed the handchecking rules to try to allow lesser players to play more like Jordan did. And sure, Bird was competitive, but Jordan twice won more regular season games than Bird's best year, despite Bird playing on a deeper team. There is no better determiner of "competitiveness" than how you react to being down in a meaningless game in Milwaukee on a Tuesday in January.

As for TFA, I though LeBron made a lot of great points. Judd Buschler isn't "greater" than Charles Barkley. Robert Horry doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, no matter how many rings he has, if for no other reason than how lazy he was during the regular season. The very best of the best do seem to win titles, but it takes a team. You need at least one other scorer, some shooters to spread the floor, and a disciplined, focused, consistent approach to defense.
 
2013-02-16 07:59:21 PM

Champion of the Sun: JohnnyRebel88: It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.

Hakeem won a couple, and Reggie played for a decade past Jordan's prime.


If the Artest Melee hadn't happened, Reggie very well could have gotten a ring that year. That Pacers team was extremely good.


The reason why looking at the number of championships a player, even a superstar is kinda flawed is it treats their entire career like it is their prime.
While Jordan was the best player in his team for all of his rings, neither Kobe nor Magic was. Kobe got 3 on Shaq's back and Magic's first two were on Kareem's. Both of them won championships while the league MVP was on their team
 
2013-02-16 08:07:06 PM
i think we should judge the greatness of a player by how many illegitimate kids they have.  bonus points if the mother is 12-13 years old at the time and the player refuses to pay child support or acknowledge the existence of the kids
 
2013-02-16 08:10:47 PM
Still not convinced that Jordan was better than Magic. Johnson did more than his share of unpossible things out there.

/And LeBron had to get Super Mario on his team before he won the Big One.
//Not sure if kidding.
 
2013-02-16 08:11:12 PM

Neeek: If the Artest Melee hadn't happened, Reggie very well could have gotten a ring that year. That Pacers team was extremely good.


Nah, they didn't have anyone that could contain Rasheed for a seven game series.  Jermaine O'Neal couldn't overcome Wallace, and Wallace really loved playing against him, elevated his game.  The Pistons' back court was too good as well.  Reggie was too old to chase Rip Hamilton around for seven games and would've been out of position anyways. Chauncey was way better on both ends than Tinsley. And even if they did win, they didn't really have anyone to handle Shaq in the finals.  Dale Davis and Austin Croshere weren't gonna get it done.  Not saying they weren't a better team in a one game matchup, but they had no shot in seven.

Reggie needed to win in '99 or whatever.
 
2013-02-16 08:16:17 PM

vygramul: Titles matter, but they're not necessary.  People keep saying that in all sports, as if Dan Marino isn't one of the five greatest quarterbacks of all-time (probably top-three, possibly in the argument for best).


I'd put Montana, Unitas, Elway, Peyton Manning, Sammy Baugh, and Otto Graham ahead of him - and largely in that order.
 
2013-02-16 08:40:51 PM
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Lebron has a LOOOOOOOOOONG way to go. LONG WAY... YEARS... of winning to even be in the discussion.
 
2013-02-16 09:10:11 PM
Clearly Robert Horry is the greatest player of our generation.
 
2013-02-16 09:52:22 PM
Subby, if you want to mention judging players by titles in the headline, there's one guy who looks at both Magic and His Airness, and just laughs.

www.sportscollectorsdigest.com

Of course it was a very different league back, then, but he has a ring for every finger, both thumbs and his dick.
 
2013-02-16 10:11:23 PM
Bulls lose Jordan and they go from a championship team to a solid playoff team.

Cavs lose Lebron and they go from a title contender to the worst team in the league,


And don't keep sprouting about Kobe's rings.  He has 2 finals MVPs. the first 3 are Shaq'q rings not his.  Kobe isn't at the same level as Lebron or MJ
 
2013-02-16 10:32:52 PM

Neeek: Champion of the Sun: JohnnyRebel88: It was great when Lebron went on to say how Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller etc...  never won a championship.  The retard forgot to mention why this generation of players had failed.  His Airness.

Hakeem won a couple, and Reggie played for a decade past Jordan's prime.

If the Artest Melee hadn't happened, Reggie very well could have gotten a ring that year. That Pacers team was extremely good.


The reason why looking at the number of championships a player, even a superstar is kinda flawed is it treats their entire career like it is their prime.
While Jordan was the best player in his team for all of his rings, neither Kobe nor Magic was. Kobe got 3 on Shaq's back and Magic's first two were on Kareem's. Both of them won championships while the league MVP was on their team


Magic gets his fair share of the credit for those years, I mean come on as a rookie he started at center on the road in the Finals because Kareem couldn't go and had a performance for the ages, and won series MVP
 
2013-02-16 10:39:29 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: mitchcumstein1: bulldg4life: Nobody questions MJ being the greatest

I'll question it.

Magic could do more things on the court, and had he not gotten HIV, probably would have snuck in there for a 6th ring. Bird was possibly the most competitive player to ever step on the court. Russell won more, and was the ultimate team guy. They changed the rules of the game for Chamberlain, O'Neal and Alcindor. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for 82 games, and damn near did it 3 or 4 other times. And nobody who has ever played the game has had the combination of size, speed, and skills that LeBron James has.

I'm not saying Jordan isn't the greatest, that's a subjective thing anyway, but it's not unquestioned.

The game existed before 1989.

A guy that can't dunk, wasn't a very good perimeter defender, and was a spotty 3 point shooter "could do more things on the court" than His Airness? Wrong. Magic "probably would have snuck another title" after they played each other in 1992 and Jordan dominated? Wrong again (unless Magic ended up on the Bulls).

Oscar would openly sabotage games to try to keep that triple double streak going (part of the reason why he never won a championship). They also changed the rules for Jordan, allowing the Knicks to become MMA fighters on the hardwood during the playoffs to give them a shot against the Bulls. And after he retired, they changed the handchecking rules to try to allow lesser players to play more like Jordan did. And sure, Bird was competitive, but Jordan twice won more regular season games than Bird's best year, despite Bird playing on a deeper team. There is no better determiner of "competitiveness" than how you react to being down in a meaningless game in Milwaukee on a Tuesday in January.

As for TFA, I though LeBron made a lot of great points. Judd Buschler isn't "greater" than Charles Barkley. Robert Horry doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, no matter how many rings he has, if for no other reason than how lazy he was during the regular season. The very best of the best do seem to win titles, but it takes a team. You need at least one other scorer, some shooters to spread the floor, and a disciplined, focused, consistent approach to defense.


Actually, the Big O did win a title, in Milwaukee with some guy named Alcindor

And if LeBron really doesn't think titles are the full measure of a career ... Then why did he take his talents to South Beach?
 
2013-02-16 10:51:53 PM

LucklessWonder: Subby, if you want to mention judging players by titles in the headline, there's one guy who looks at both Magic and His Airness, and just laughs.

[www.sportscollectorsdigest.com image 500x630]

Of course it was a very different league back, then, but he has a ring for every finger, both thumbs and his dick.


Not to mention that he won two NCAA Championships at the University of San Francisco. Come on, man. The University of San Francisco!
 
2013-02-16 11:29:24 PM

bulldg4life: HideAndGoFarkYourself: bulldg4life: Well, his point about Bill Russell is spot on. Nobody questions MJ being the greatest but Russell doubled him up on championship dominance. And, didn't they win their first championship at the same age? While I think the MJ/LbJ career comparisons are stupid...I think they are stupid because lebron is going to be playing another 8 years probably....not because Michael's career was so much better.

Also, holy shiat did you look at the other starters on that Cavs finals team? Let me know which ones are comparable to Pippen, Rodman, or the rest of those Bulls teams.

I think if Jordan hadn't walked away after their first three championships, there's a good chance the bulls win 8 in a row.  I don't see that Rockets team beating them.

You can play the what if game all day long.

What if lebron wins two more with the heat, opts out and returns to Cleveland and wins one or two more over the next decade...


Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, who were obviously of high quality.  Pippen was a diamond in the rough.  Nobody expected him to be that good.  Jordan didn't call up two of his perennial all-star friends and plan out some plan to, basically, buy championships.  In my opinion, Lebron's championship would be more meaningful if he hadn't set up his own handpicked all-star team.
 
2013-02-16 11:33:42 PM

UNC_Samurai: vygramul: Titles matter, but they're not necessary.  People keep saying that in all sports, as if Dan Marino isn't one of the five greatest quarterbacks of all-time (probably top-three, possibly in the argument for best).

I'd put Montana, Unitas, Elway, Peyton Manning, Sammy Baugh, and Otto Graham ahead of him - and largely in that order.


Only two quarterbacks have more completions.  Only two have more touchdown passes.  Only one has more yards.  And Brett Favre is ahead of him in all three, but has more INTs and a lower career QB rating.

Sure, you can argue, depending on a host of things, where Marino belongs, but even you aren't judging by championships, which is really my point.  Championships tell part of the story, but by far not all of it.

/It's also incredibly hard to judge QBs a decade or more apart, as rules and players change so much, that the game is significantly different now than in 1980, and 1980 was very different from 1960.  (Just look at what defenders can and cannot do these days and compare it to before.)
 
2013-02-16 11:39:48 PM

vygramul: UNC_Samurai: vygramul: Titles matter, but they're not necessary.  People keep saying that in all sports, as if Dan Marino isn't one of the five greatest quarterbacks of all-time (probably top-three, possibly in the argument for best).

I'd put Montana, Unitas, Elway, Peyton Manning, Sammy Baugh, and Otto Graham ahead of him - and largely in that order.

Only two quarterbacks have more completions.  Only two have more touchdown passes.  Only one has more yards.  And Brett Favre is ahead of him in all three, but has more INTs and a lower career QB rating.

Sure, you can argue, depending on a host of things, where Marino belongs, but even you aren't judging by championships, which is really my point.  Championships tell part of the story, but by far not all of it.

/It's also incredibly hard to judge QBs a decade or more apart, as rules and players change so much, that the game is significantly different now than in 1980, and 1980 was very different from 1960.  (Just look at what defenders can and cannot do these days and compare it to before.)


Football and basketball are way different. One player doesn't make close to the difference. There are tons of great NFL players without rings. Not the same in basketball.
 
2013-02-17 12:29:43 AM

NotoriousW.O.P: Then why did he take his talents to South Beach?


The weather?
 
2013-02-17 12:40:56 AM

MugzyBrown: Football and basketball are way different. One player doesn't make close to the difference. There are tons of great NFL players without rings. Not the same in basketball.


My go-to example for the NBA is Charles Barkley.
 
2013-02-17 12:47:33 AM

mitchcumstein1: LeBron took an average team, with a below average coach, to the Finals by himself.


...It's not nice to talk about Wade and Bosh like that...

...
 
2013-02-17 12:51:12 AM

Champion of the Sun: He must be doing something to piss off the old guard.  They seem to go out of their way to hate on him.  And it must be something huge, since they keep giving love to Kobe while they shiat on LeBron, and Kobe is an epic ass supposedly.


Kobe didn't piss off one of his former teams by making where he was going to sign as a free agent some sort of long, drawn-out affair.
 
2013-02-17 01:12:39 AM

vygramul: MugzyBrown: Football and basketball are way different. One player doesn't make close to the difference. There are tons of great NFL players without rings. Not the same in basketball.

My go-to example for the NBA is Charles Barkley.


Stockton and Malone.
 
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