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2013-02-16 07:39:39 PM

Government Fromage: I'm clueless when it comes to the law, but I would think that if the restaurant let them in while they were carrying they're implying that it's ok. Turning around later and saying sorry, you need to go seems like of...not right.

If I was asked to leave in the middle of my dinner I certainly would, Without paying. And I'd not return there. Of course I don't have to worry about that scenario since I don't carry a gun.


That's a reasonable stance, too. If other customers start complaining, you might be asked to leave, but it would be at the head of waitstaff's discretion. So always be nice to the waitstaff member who is serving your table. Generally speaking, that sort of thing is not a problem - never has been for me, anyway - unless the person others are complaining about is so obnoxious I'm already aware of it and leaving my kitchen lair (OH NO! Now you've done it!) and tossing them out myself as soon as I finish artfully arranging some food with this pair of tweezers. I wouldn't expect them to pay because I wouldn't want them in the restaurant any longer than necessary. I think that's standard for a lot of places though. If you must expel someone from your business, do it as politely, quickly and quietly as possible and feed the lowest ranking commis any food of theirs that wasn't taken to the table yet.

MarkEC: "No your honor, I didn't kick those 100 gun owners out of my store because they're gun owners, I kicked them out because they all swore at my waitress. And I haven't had any one else swear at my waitress." You think that will fly?


The "No, your honor, they were kicked out because they were disturbing other guests who are also paying a minimum of $120 just to walk in the door" would work great, though.
 
2013-02-16 07:46:07 PM

udhq: noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?

I was referring to where you said "I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally."

You most certainly cannot do so.


Any policy has a disparate impact upon a protected class it violates the CRA whether or not the intent of the policy was to discriminate against the protected class.  A no-gun policy that resulted in 100% of blacks being excluded from a public accommodation would be a violation, for example.
 
2013-02-16 07:57:53 PM

unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.


Everyone with a pussy that I have known is a hooker. What's your point?
 
2013-02-16 08:05:10 PM

Satanic_Hamster: So how do they prove they're a gun owner?  I assume they'll have to show the gun to the delivery driver, whom I'm sure will be THRILLED that every customer is going to be pulling a gun on them.


You are aware that you can show someone your gun without pointing it at them, having it loaded, or presenting any kind of threat, right? I mean, if it's for delivery, you could show em the gun at home, unloaded, with the trigger lock on it, and it'd be ok... it's not like he's asking people to irresponsibly unholster, unlock, or ohterwise mishandle their weapons.
 
2013-02-16 08:07:59 PM
Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.
 
2013-02-16 08:10:43 PM

elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.


Do you let your kids ride in a car?  Far more likely to die in a car wreck than being shot accidentally....there's some math for ya. I have three college age daughters that were never shot even though there were guns in our home.  None of their friends were ether.   They respect guns and know gun safety.  I wish your kids well when they meet the real world. Mine are doing fine.
 
2013-02-16 08:16:48 PM
I also love how people think that carrying a gun makes them capable of stopping a criminal.

You know why police departments nationwide hate it when officers fire their guns? Because even well trained officers are terrible shots. Seriously, under tense conditions with high adrenaline, most people would be better off throwing the gun at the bad guy than firing the damn thing.

And guess what, I love shooting guns but if asked to stop a robbery or even mass shooting, I am ducking and weaving until I get close enough to tackle the guy.
 
2013-02-16 08:18:32 PM

Smarticus: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

Do you let your kids ride in a car?  Far more likely to die in a car wreck than being shot accidentally....there's some math for ya. I have three college age daughters that were never shot even though there were guns in our home.  None of their friends were ether.   They respect guns and know gun safety.  I wish your kids well when they meet the real world. Mine are doing fine.


Don't bother, since you've admitted to owning guns you must there for be an overweight redneck who has a small penis, hates minorities, practices incest and is named cletus.
 
2013-02-16 08:25:43 PM
oooh watch out big men with their .44 strapped to their hip like a queer straps on a dildo to fark his gay ass friend

*coughpoofterscough*
 
2013-02-16 08:30:40 PM

F22raptom: oooh watch out big men with their .44 strapped to their hip like a queer straps on a dildo to fark his gay ass friend

*coughpoofterscough*


Someone who stereotypes homosexuals and gun owners? Now isn't this a rare sight.
 
2013-02-16 08:31:05 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Acharne: PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?

Oh, stop.  Manager just has to choose between a party of X and lone gunman. It doesn't become policy.

Wonder what happens if the gun-toting party outnumbers the unarmed party of umbrage, though.


So you're saying you see why I'm asking for clarification right? The post implied it was some sort of policy of the restaurant and this is what I want to clarify. Also perhaps if there is some law about this in California I don't know about.
 
2013-02-16 08:38:27 PM

Acharne: BarkingUnicorn: Acharne: PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?

Oh, stop.  Manager just has to choose between a party of X and lone gunman. It doesn't become policy.

Wonder what happens if the gun-toting party outnumbers the unarmed party of umbrage, though.

So you're saying you see why I'm asking for clarification right? The post implied it was some sort of policy of the restaurant and this is what I want to clarify. Also perhaps if there is some law about this in California I don't know about.


There is no open carry in California at all unless you have a CCW. 'Tis against the law.
 
2013-02-16 08:39:17 PM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.

Everyone with a pussy that I have known is a hooker. What's your point?


Dad?!?!
 
2013-02-16 08:53:38 PM

Hobo Jr.: Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.


FTA : "All they have to do is show me that they're carrying a weapon or they can show me their concealed weapons permit and they can get the discount," says All Around Pizza owner, Jay Laze.

No discount for you.
 
2013-02-16 09:20:33 PM

super_grass: skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?

I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.


Let's see.. You want to kill all gun owners, and you key/scratch up people's cars that have NRA stickers.

I think it's easy to see who the "violent idiot" is.
 
2013-02-16 09:30:36 PM

noitsnot: Also, this thing you keep saying:

Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.

I think you made that up.  Prove me wrong.


from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."
Wisconsin:
Does the City have a sign available for purchase?
Yes, cost is $5 dollars a sign. There are different types of signs. Both are 5" X 7" and printed on self-adhesive, vinyl stock. One is designed to be applied to the exterior door surface; the other is printed to allow for interior application to glass, and readable from the exterior (reverse image).Signs for purchase: Sign are available at the
 
2013-02-16 09:31:46 PM
It cut my post short..

What are the requirements of the sign?
The sign must be at least 5 inches by 7 inches and indicate that weapons are prohibited on the property. Signs must be posted near all entrances to the building where the restriction applies.
 
2013-02-16 09:37:53 PM

TomD9938: Hobo Jr.: Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.

FTA : "All they have to do is show me that they're carrying a weapon or they can show me their concealed weapons permit and they can get the discount," says All Around Pizza owner, Jay Laze.

No discount for you.


Lame.

He is worse than the federal government forcing me to have permit in the first place. A real American wouldn't need me to show ID in order to gain a benefit.
 
2013-02-16 09:38:29 PM

MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."


I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.
 
2013-02-16 09:44:05 PM

Hobo Jr.: He is worse than the federal government forcing me to have permit in the first place. A real American wouldn't need me to show ID in order to gain a benefit.


My favorite pizza place is owned by a guy who's a hard right winger (stickers and slogans of all variety hanging in the lobby, etc.  and he probably carrysa gun  himself.

He offers a steep discount to all, gun owner or no.  The only condition is you come in and pick it up and you pay in cash (wink - wink).
 
2013-02-16 09:45:37 PM

TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.


There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
 
2013-02-16 10:18:06 PM

TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.


Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".

/ Protip: You are wankers. That is all.
 
2013-02-16 10:21:33 PM

jaytkay: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".

/ Protip: You are wankers. That is all.


Someone did something that effected no one, those wankers! How dare they utilize their 2nd amendment rights!
 
2013-02-16 10:40:04 PM
jaytkay : arent you always crying about how carrying guns makes people "dangerous"?
 
2013-02-16 10:40:15 PM
I think I'll skip going to the "we cater to drunkards proudly waving their guns around" pizza joint, but thanks anyway.
 
2013-02-16 10:49:48 PM

spacelord321: jaytkay : arent you always crying about how carrying guns makes people "dangerous"?


No, I am always pointing and laughing at people who think guns make them "dangerous" and their paranoid need to appear "dangerous".
 
2013-02-16 10:52:25 PM

jaytkay: Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".


I actually was surprised to learn that crew were carrying. They dont fit the Michigan Militia media stereotype in the least, and to date, none of them has killed anyone either.

It's cool that they went the legal route too. It's more than can be said for most of the people who carry in the neighborhoods of south Minneapolis where these guys live.
 
2013-02-16 11:37:20 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: dfenstrate: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

You have that luxury (to be a complete douchebag) because concealed carry licenses are issued only to the well-connected in CA. Their lives are more important than the lives of the folks you like to screw with. Normal folks have to carry unloaded in the open, while your betters get to carry concealed and you never get a chance to be a prick about it.

Not true. California law allows Police Chiefs and County Sheriffs to issue a license to carry a concealed firearm if the following requirements are met:

1. The person applying is of good moral character (not a felon, no domestic violence, no restraining orders, etc)

2. That good cause exists for the issuance

3. The applicant is a resident of the county or city to which they are applying (or the applicant's place of employment is within the city or county)

4. The applicant has completed a course of training (16-24 hours)

That course of training has a test at the end, btw. I'm hardly what anyone would call "connected" and I have a CCW. I also got it in Sacramento county. It's usually easier to get one in Cali if you live in a rural community and are connected, but they ignore the "good cause" part. In the cities, all requirements must be met, but you absolutely don't need to be connected.


Did they remove the part about population also?  I believe the law used to be that the population of the county you were applying had to be less than 100,000 or something like that.  Which basically gives almost every sheriff in CA a way to deny anybody who isn't connected from getting one.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:24 PM

jaytkay: Callous: jaytkay: Callous: You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?

[citation needed}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann

http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

Shall I continue?

1)
Your wikipedia link has no debunking but many instances of gun nuts saying "GUns RULE1!!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann
"...but, according to pro-gun groups.. "
".. The NRA and other pro-gun groups argued.. "
".. Kellermann also was criticized by pro-gun groups.. "
".. Pro-gun groups also claimed that it was suspicious.. "
".. Pro-gun groups claimed.. "
2)
Your 2nd link essentially says, "Responsible gun owners pose no risk. Until they murder people. But then they're no longer responsible gun owners! GOTCHA!!"
 http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html
""What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor "

3)
Your 3rd link essentially says, "Kellerman may be wrong but we can't tell you why"
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html
 "... Showing flaws in the methods does not prove that the paper is wrong...This does not prove that there was any selection or response bias in this study, it just shows that there was room for such biases to act..."

4)
Your 4th link is a bunch of nebulous claims without attribution. And John Lott is a disgraced fraud.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

5)
I see no indication that, "Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it "

/ LOL, conservatives, LOL. You really shouldn't try to argue about subjects that get you all emotional.


If you use the same statistical analysis methods that Kellerman used, you get that you are 2.5 times more likely to be killed with something other than a firearm in a house that has a firearm.

Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.
 
2013-02-17 12:00:27 AM

BGates: Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.


That explains why the antis like it.
 
2013-02-17 12:31:01 AM

John Buck 41: BGates: Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.

That explains why the antis like it.


I don't like this breakdown of pro/anti gun... I mean, I support mental health testing prerequisites, regular proficiency testing, and universal background checks, but I also support slightly deregulating the sale of full autos, I'm ok with open carry pretty much everywhere that isn't a bank, courthouse, or secured facility (police station, etc.). I'm also ok with (for semi or full auto) proof of possession checks once every couple months to prove that the weapon registered to you is actually in your posession (e.g. you haven't lended out your gun to persons unknown or failed to report a theft). I'm ok with making straw purchases a 10 year minimum jail sentence, I'm ok with first time violent felon in posession of a gun being a 10 year minimum and second time being 20-life. I'm also ok with laws requiring trigger locks on handguns in any house with a minor. I'm ok with strict liability for gun owners (if you can't secure it, you shouldn't own it).... so I find that I'm neither in the camp of pro-gun morons who think background checks are the devil and everyone should be allowed to sell guns out of their trunk no questions asked, but I'm also not a member of the anti-gun morons who are wholeheartedly convinced that their experience living in the city means that I'll somehow be safer against mountain cats, bears, and other wild animals that fark with people in the mountains all the time.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:03 AM

MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEA ...


OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign.  All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.
 
2013-02-17 12:42:05 AM

noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEAL ...


I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.
 
2013-02-17 12:46:32 AM

super_grass: I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.


I can't wait for the followup story where some idiot tries to rob the joint and is killed by customers who came for the discount.
 
2013-02-17 12:53:28 AM

BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."


I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.
 
2013-02-17 01:48:22 AM
Okay, CCW here, and I've probably read more about the topic than most.

IN GENERAL(specific state law varies), passing a 'no carry' sign while carrying is automatically trespass.  It varies between misdemeanor and felony, though the most common is simply to verbally kick them out.  Most gun owners will peacefully leave at this point; those that won't aren't likely to be legal carriers anyways.

This doesn't remove a business's right to kick out whoever they please short of the protected reasons as stated by noitsnot.

Thus, the more I think about it the more I doubt Papachester's story.
 
2013-02-17 01:55:58 AM

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


Try that here, Snowflake.....You shouldn't feel uncomfortable around someone who could potentially protect you during a bad situation, Our death dealing devices give us great comfort.

/big dipper :)
//legal carrier
 
2013-02-17 02:26:31 AM
I'd think a gun could get me a 100% discount. Especially considering the people that would be excited about guns and cheap pizza likely can't draw without standing up, and have trouble standing up.
 
2013-02-17 02:41:14 AM
This thread has been fun to read. As a Minnesotan with a permit to carry, I have carried in courthouses, banks, at hearings in the Capitol, to church every Sunday, and most recently to the five guys and dog park I went to tonight. I know many, many people that carry on a daily basis and it is funny that those who have no experience, no training, and no interest in being responsible enough to own a gun want to tell the rest of us what to do.

Like most people with a permit, I also ignore every "guns are banned here" sign that I see, if I can't take my business elsewhere. Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.
 
2013-02-17 02:46:01 AM

PaLarkin: super_grass: I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.

I can't wait for the followup story where some idiot tries to rob the joint and is killed by customers who came for the discount.


I can't wait until nothing violent at all happens and the pizza joint owner gets lots and lots of free publicity and increased sales by being good at free advertising.
 
2013-02-17 03:37:38 AM

noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.


It's not, but it's the only 'quick' way to do it, that makes carrying into the building/store instant trespassing.  Other than that you have to somehow figure out that they are carrying and formally revoke their access to the building, whether written or verbally.  They then have the right to collect their things and leave in an expeditious but not hurried fashion.

NBSV: I'd think a gun could get me a 100% discount. Especially considering the people that would be excited about guns and cheap pizza likely can't draw without standing up, and have trouble standing up.


I don't need to stand up to pull.  The pizza guy is already standing.
 
2013-02-17 04:44:17 AM
I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.
 
2013-02-17 07:09:51 AM

noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.

Interesting you choose the word CAN when the law says MUST.
 
2013-02-17 07:22:38 AM

noitsnot: BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.


No, you all are claiming you can have a no-gun policy without posting it. Regular business law requires you to inform your customers of any policies you have before a transaction is started. If you have a no-return policy, it must be posted. Companies have lost law suites when they only had policies written on the back of receipts because the customer MUST be informed before the transaction is started. If you want to greet every customer at your door and tell them verbally that you have a no-gun policy, that's fine. Sit them down and take their order, then kick them out because you see a bulge in their jacket and you have a problem.
 
2013-02-17 09:58:24 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I think I'll skip going to the "we cater to drunkards proudly waving their guns around" pizza joint, but thanks anyway.


Because Pizza Hut is always full of hard-core drunks, right?

Besides the fact that he catering to people that are carrying legally, and in every state I'm familiar with, it's against the law to carry while under the influence.

But other than that, your hyperbolic BS is right on the money.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:03 AM

MarkEC: noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.
Interesting you choose the word CAN when the law says MUST.


No it doesn't.  Nothing you have shown says that.  Where does it say that?
 
2013-02-17 11:35:08 AM

MarkEC: noitsnot: BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.

No, you all are claiming you can have a no-gun policy without posting it. Regular business law requires you to inform your customers of any policies you have before a transaction is started. If you have a no-return policy, it must be posted. Companies have lost law suites when they only had policies written on the back of receipts because the customer MUST be informed before the transaction is started. If you want to greet every customer at your door and tell them verbally that you have a no-gun policy, that's fine. Sit them down and take their order, then kick them out because you see a bulge in their jacket and you have a problem.


No, what I am claiming is what I said.  Because I said it.  You don't get to say what my position is. I do.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:16 AM
not2conceited: .... Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.

You and Mark here should talk - he says in Minnesota a sign is the only way to legally bar you.
 
SH
2013-02-17 11:59:14 AM
Gun owner drama queens.

Hilarious.

/almost as hilarious as the republican drama queens.
 
2013-02-17 12:58:18 PM

scalpod: I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.


The Lone Star College wasn't a mass shooting, and Luby's happened before Texas had a shall issue CCW system.
 
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