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2013-02-16 11:20:16 AM  
best idea.
 
2013-02-16 11:39:09 AM  
Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?
 
2013-02-16 12:03:51 PM  

propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?


Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.
 
2013-02-16 12:20:31 PM  

unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.


I can't decide if that's a reductio ad absurdum or a straw man. Maybe a bit of both.
Anyway, it's funny because the headline (and your defense of it) seems to indicate the opposite extreme -- that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.
 
2013-02-16 12:40:36 PM  

propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really?

*snip*

that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.


That would be as silly as saying that anyone with a gun is a potential robber.  Or that a gun can turn a good person bad.  Or that a vagina can turn a woman into a prostitute against her will.

/memorizing a few logical fallacies no more makes one a logician than having a vagina makes a woman a prostitute.
 
2013-02-16 04:23:49 PM  
So you're saying prostitutes are as bad as robbers? That's racist.
 
2013-02-16 04:25:46 PM  
How long till a vigilante or cop shoots someone trying to get a discount?
 
SN
2013-02-16 04:27:51 PM  

propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?


Uh, dunno if you're all up ons with your robbery basics, but most folks who want a 100% discount don't bother waiting for an invitation.

/wait, did I just feed a troll?
//1/10 -- reason: derp
 
2013-02-16 04:29:59 PM  

unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.


We are more concerned about the robbers with the guns then the hookers with the pussys.
 
2013-02-16 04:30:24 PM  

unamused: just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.


In a sense you're gonna pay for it anyway
/Sorry farkettes but it's the truth
 
2013-02-16 04:32:52 PM  
Somewhere Papa John is hurling cans of anchovies at his marketing department
 
2013-02-16 04:33:14 PM  
Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.
 
2013-02-16 04:33:48 PM  
What kind of discount can I receive if I show that I don't allow the King to quarter his troops at my house?
 
2013-02-16 04:33:59 PM  
Does the discount apply to gangbangers too? Or just to cornbread white hicks who hate Obama?  There's a reason this shiat only happens in flyover country and near military bases.  Try this in LA, NYC, or Chicago and see what happens.
 
2013-02-16 04:36:04 PM  
So how do they prove they're a gun owner?  I assume they'll have to show the gun to the delivery driver, whom I'm sure will be THRILLED that every customer is going to be pulling a gun on them.
 
2013-02-16 04:36:24 PM  
Our public transit offers discounts to the mentally challenged too.
 
2013-02-16 04:36:25 PM  
Prostitutes who eat too much pizza can be had at a discount.
 
2013-02-16 04:36:31 PM  
Yikes.  Last pizza place I would want to go late at night.  A bunch of drunkards with the munchies carrying? Fark that.
 
2013-02-16 04:36:41 PM  

ultraholland: What kind of discount can I receive if I show that I don't allow the King to quarter his troops at my house?


Heh.  Awesome.
 
2013-02-16 04:38:16 PM  
I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper
 
2013-02-16 04:38:41 PM  
 
2013-02-16 04:38:43 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.


Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.
 
2013-02-16 04:39:04 PM  
I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.
 
2013-02-16 04:41:14 PM  

LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.


Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.
 
2013-02-16 04:42:05 PM  

PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.


Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?
 
2013-02-16 04:43:16 PM  
And if you bring in a working nuclear weapon, they give you a free 2-liter!
 
2013-02-16 04:43:21 PM  
Abox: Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Free gun. And casually showing the guy the gun won't raise any red flags with him, then you casually blast him.
 
2013-02-16 04:44:03 PM  
i60.photobucket.com

Didn't know this guy was so into guns
 
2013-02-16 04:44:47 PM  
Acharne: To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?

I read that as the police showing up after the armed party has raised a stink about being removed. Still a dick move.
 
2013-02-16 04:46:32 PM  
Geez, I don't know. Humans are such perverse animals...

I wouldn't be that surprised to hear that some bad galoot decided to make a point of meeting this challenge, or at least felt tempted by it.

So Laze the pizza maker, anticipating this, has to raise his level of defense to SAC-base levels. What, is he going to post shadow-guards, locked and loaded, staring through slits or video surveillance, on every goof who wanders into the pizza joint?

Thus a pizza entrepreneur, whose enterprise is presumably founded on the premise of adding value to dough and tomato sauce and turning a profit from it, is now locked into an escalating waiting game of who-makes-the-move. Jumpy, no? Viable business promotion?

On the other hand, he may have concluded his place will be swarming with hungry gun-nuts (no band name please), patronizing 'Slice by Slice' precisely because of his gunny stance. That assumption remains to be tested.

One of the most admirable things I've learnt about the overseas Chinese is summed up in their expression "Be quiet and make money". They do and they do.
 
2013-02-16 04:46:43 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.
 
2013-02-16 04:47:35 PM  
What if I bring mace or a tazer?

There are other weapons for self-defense.
 
2013-02-16 04:48:01 PM  
Gun wankers have totally freaked out since the November election and Sandy Hook.

They're hoarding  weapons and ammo in anticipation of Obama's UN storm troopers showing up at the door.

Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.

On the plus side, a good number of them will take out themselves and their families over the next couple of years.

// darwin.jpg
 
2013-02-16 04:48:15 PM  

PapaChester: On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats


Paranoid much?
 
2013-02-16 04:49:29 PM  

propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.

I can't decide if that's a reductio ad absurdum or a straw man. Maybe a bit of both.
Anyway, it's funny because the headline (and your defense of it) seems to indicate the opposite extreme -- that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.


It only seems to because you're not very bright.

If it were a line that indicated the absolute that "no one could" it would have been something more along the lines that is not possible.

Example:
Having a pussy means you've been on Mars
(sarcastically)

No, he used a statistically similar correlation.  "A minority of people in possession of a pussy are prostitutes"(an easily deducable fact).  And what that says about guns and how they relate to crime is, "A minority of people with guns are criminals."

Correlation vs Causation

It is indicative that the possession itself is not the cause of the choice of lifestyle, ergo, fighting blind prejudice of a moral zealot with an apparently low IQ.
 
2013-02-16 04:49:33 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


This.  fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.

A little psychological conditioning goes a long way with these hicks ;)
 
2013-02-16 04:49:55 PM  
It's a good idea and why a lot of places offer cops discounts. Reduces the chance of being robbed.
 
2013-02-16 04:50:56 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.


This creates two possible outcomes for the owner:
1) no one will rob him
2) he gets shot first
 
2013-02-16 04:51:26 PM  

jaytkay: Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.


Dream on. Media hype. Plenty of guns and ammo available retail and over the web. Spot shortages of some calibers and weapons is all.

My Ruger stock is doing quite well, thank you.
 
2013-02-16 04:51:42 PM  
All things being equal, I think id go to the non-gun pizza place. I do think that the revenue will probably increase just from people who want to support their right to concealed carry. I wonder if the food is any good?
 
2013-02-16 04:55:33 PM  
Funny, when the first dumbass gun owner unfamiliar with a safety accidentally fires a weapon in the store, customer traffic will dip by more than 15%
 
2013-02-16 04:55:33 PM  
Open gun carriers are the pride-parade-spandex-glitter-twinks of the gun rights movement.
 
2013-02-16 04:57:50 PM  

ultraholland: Abox: Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Free gun. And casually showing the guy the gun won't raise any red flags with him, then you casually blast him.



Have you seen the surveillance videos of the folks that rob small businesses?  They're neither brave nor tough.  They're dumb punks and they'll go somewhere else.
 
2013-02-16 04:58:24 PM  
How big a discount can I get if I show him my anti-gorilla amulet? Google News search shows one (1) hit for "pizza restaurant robbed."

Open carry, especially if you have two or more employees in the store means you almost certainly won't get robbed. But if you DO get robbed, they'll shoot you and your partner in the head before you know you're being robbed.
 
2013-02-16 04:58:24 PM  

Benjamin Orr: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.


Both.
 
SN
2013-02-16 04:59:32 PM  

Abox: Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.


Wait, are you accusing your average knock-over-a-pizza-joint thug of thinking?

Armed robbery is an insta-fellony with some mandatory minimums in pound-in-cornhole prison, so generally only the dumbest of the dumb tend towards armed robbery any more when the other option can usually end up in a misdemeanor or at least minimal jail time.
 
2013-02-16 05:00:42 PM  
The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.
 
2013-02-16 05:00:48 PM  

smells_like_meat: jaytkay: Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.

Dream on. Media hype. Plenty of guns and ammo available retail and over the web. Spot shortages of some calibers and weapons is all.

My Ruger stock is doing quite well, thank you.


I've actually been paying attention to guns again the last couple months, as I'm soon to be living out in the country and will have many acres to do some shooting on.

Around here scary black rifles are hard to come by, and when you can find them the prices are 2-3x what they would normally be.  "Normal" stuff flew off the shelves too initially but stock is back to normal and prices are still ok. Most ammo is still around, albeit at higher prices. .223, 9mm, and 22lr are hard to find though.

I've actually been paying attention to gun prices the last couple months, as I'm soon to be living out in the country and will have many acres to shoot on. I'm probably on some sort of watch list now having purchased 3 of them in the last 6 weeks -- Marlin 60, Savage Mk II BV, and yesterday a Ruger MKIII 22/45. Hooray for .22s!
 
2013-02-16 05:00:59 PM  
If this place is giving a 15% discount to gun owners and still turn a comfortable profit, my first thought is, "Oh, they must be charging me 15% more than should be, and they're probably cutting corners elsewhere." Its one thing to give a discount for people who can't afford it or to celebrate an occasion or to reward them for doing something of value. But this is silly.
 
2013-02-16 05:01:32 PM  

thorthor: All things being equal, I think id go to the non-gun pizza place. I do think that the revenue will probably increase just from people who want to support their right to concealed carry. I wonder if the food is any good?


Generally any place that hops upon an emotional hot button issue unrelated to their core product sells shiat that nobody would buy normally. See: W Ketchup

http://www.wketchup.com/ketchup/
 
2013-02-16 05:01:52 PM  

Benjamin Orr: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.


Huge douchebag compared to an open carry troll? I don't think so.

/You are not a cop. Repeat that to yourself until it sinks in. You are not a cop.
 
2013-02-16 05:02:21 PM  

propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?


Well, if a pizza place here would do 15% off per firearm, I think we'd be having a lot of pizza at any Sacramento Fark parties. Between a few friends, my sister and I, we'd be getting several free pies.

7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.


Actually, it's always fairly shocking to me how many people claim to love their guns, whargarble about the second amendment, love carrying them around or displaying them somehow, making sure everyone everywhere forever knows they have a gun - and yet are complete idiots with their guns. You don't need a special permit to open carry in some states, including Virginia. As you don't need to take a test of any kind in VA to buy a handgun other than the "are you violent/a felon? check 'yes' or 'no'" type test either, someone who open carries a handgun in that state is not guaranteed to be able to use it effectively and safely rather than just be a total idiot with their weapon.

A firearm is only an "equalizer" or protection tool (or hunting implement) if you know how to use it, use it well and practice frequently. Otherwise it's just a potential hazard to everyone in shooting range, including the owner of the firearm.

In other words, I'd give owner and gun-toting robber equal odds, all things considered. I might even give the robber a slight edge, as they just may be the type who walked in wanting or expecting to shoot someone, something most of the rest of us would not even dream of and hope we never are put in a situation where we have to shoot someone in defense of ourselves or our families.

/I obviously love my firearms
//I obviously do not think a lot of people who have them should be allowed to have them because they're unsafe idiots
///every potential gun owner in every state should have to pass a test demonstrating they're not unsafe idiots or NO gun for them
 
2013-02-16 05:02:42 PM  

SN: Abox: Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Wait, are you accusing your average knock-over-a-pizza-joint thug of thinking?

Armed robbery is an insta-fellony with some mandatory minimums in pound-in-cornhole prison, so generally only the dumbest of the dumb tend towards armed robbery any more when the other option can usually end up in a misdemeanor or at least minimal jail time.



Isn't the whole argument here that the promotion will lead some robber to say 'hey i can go in there with my gun and nobody will care'?  That to me seems to be the stretch in thought.
 
2013-02-16 05:08:07 PM  

Benjamin Orr: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.


Huge douchebag; think Donald Trump huge
 
2013-02-16 05:09:56 PM  
I recall that prior to passing the Concealed carry Law the liberal Washington Post was  screaming about "shootouts on every corner" ans "killings over every fender-bender". In fact, the violent crime rate  dropped and has stayed down. Most criminals are cowards and/or do not want to chance a confrontation with someone who might fight back. Rapes, assaults, robberies have dropped and stayed down.

I would imagine that this is one of the best arguments for arming the citizens.

/How about you, Britain?
 
2013-02-16 05:10:22 PM  
So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?
 
2013-02-16 05:13:21 PM  

ultraholland: What kind of discount can I receive if I show that I don't allow the King to quarter his troops at my house?


Nice.
 
2013-02-16 05:14:03 PM  

skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?


I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.
 
2013-02-16 05:15:21 PM  
Step 1: Jack all prices up 15%
Step 2: Offer 15% "Discount" to gun owners.
Step 3: Profit??
 
2013-02-16 05:15:38 PM  

super_grass: I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.


Not all of us.  Most of us understand that regulating dangerous weapons is prudent and in the best interests of society.

The ones you are thinking of have a small penis.
 
2013-02-16 05:15:58 PM  

ultraholland: What kind of discount can I receive if I show that I don't allow the King to quarter his troops at my house?


A third.
 
2013-02-16 05:18:04 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


And as the restaurant manager don't let the screen door hit you on the ass on the way out.

And please don't come back.
 
2013-02-16 05:18:15 PM  
In the spirit of open carriers, I recently decided to exercise my 3rd amendment rights by hanging a huge banner on my house that says "Soldiers Not Welcome."
 
2013-02-16 05:18:25 PM  

super_grass: skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?

I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.


You are such a bad troll.
 
2013-02-16 05:20:48 PM  

unamused: propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really?

*snip*

that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.

That would be as silly as saying that anyone with a gun is a potential robber.  Or that a gun can turn a good person bad.  Or that a vagina can turn a woman into a prostitute against her will.

/memorizing a few logical fallacies no more makes one a logician than having a vagina makes a woman a prostitute.


No, he was saying that someone who is robber could have a gun. I know this, because that's what he said and I read it - so mote it be.
 
2013-02-16 05:25:34 PM  

smells_like_meat: jaytkay: Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.

Dream on. Media hype. Plenty of guns and ammo available retail and over the web. Spot shortages of some calibers and weapons is all.

My Ruger stock is doing quite well, thank you.


What I was going to say. We're buying my sis a Remington 783 (the newest model) for her birthday this friday. I've already been to a few of the local sporting goods stores and they've got plenty of firearms and ammo. She's an avid hunter and I'm fond of target shooting up at the range or a gun club in the SF bay area I belong to, so we always know where to get ammo. We'd be sad if we couldn't get ammo anymore! (Though we do both agree with more strict laws regarding gun ownership - such as mandatory proficiency testing before the purchase of any firearm - because of the amounts of stupid I see from too many gun owners)

/they also have biodegradable, camoflauge toilet paper at a couple of those stores so that a dumbfark wanna-be hunter doesn't mistake you for a white tailed deer hiding low to the ground behind a tree or a bush...
 
2013-02-16 05:28:16 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: smells_like_meat: jaytkay: Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.

Dream on. Media hype. Plenty of guns and ammo available retail and over the web. Spot shortages of some calibers and weapons is all.

My Ruger stock is doing quite well, thank you.

What I was going to say. We're buying my sis a Remington 783 (the newest model) for her birthday this friday. I've already been to a few of the local sporting goods stores and they've got plenty of firearms and ammo. She's an avid hunter and I'm fond of target shooting up at the range or a gun club in the SF bay area I belong to, so we always know where to get ammo. We'd be sad if we couldn't get ammo anymore! (Though we do both agree with more strict laws regarding gun ownership - such as mandatory proficiency testing before the purchase of any firearm - because of the amounts of stupid I see from too many gun owners)

/they also have biodegradable, camoflauge toilet paper at a couple of those stores so that a dumbfark wanna-be hunter doesn't mistake you for a white tailed deer hiding low to the ground behind a tree or a bush...


I'd just yell "I'm takin' a shiat - don't shoot me - just takin' a shiat over here"
 
2013-02-16 05:31:51 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


You may be a big tipper, but you're also clearly a giant pussy.
 
2013-02-16 05:32:23 PM  

smells_like_meat: Plenty of guns and ammo available retail and over the web. Spot shortages of some calibers and weapons is all.


I was in an Illinois gun shop this morning.

People were there from Wisconsin looking for ammo. Another guy said he'd been to 6 stores in 2 days and he could not find any .40 or 9mm.
 
2013-02-16 05:33:16 PM  

elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.


You and your kids are roughly as likely to die from the flu as you are from an accidental gunshot. This is true even considering the extremely low morbidity rate of the flu in young people.

You can live your life in fear if you want, but statistically nothing is going to happen. It's math, idiot.
 
2013-02-16 05:33:46 PM  

Yakk: unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.

We are more concerned about the robbers with the guns then the hookers with the pussys.


How about robbers with pussies? That could be kind of hot.
 
2013-02-16 05:33:47 PM  
Ah yes... capitalizing on the aftermath caused by the death of children.

Stay classy.
 
2013-02-16 05:35:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: Does the discount apply to gangbangers too? Or just to cornbread white hicks who hate Obama?  There's a reason this shiat only happens in flyover country and near military bases.  Try this in LA, NYC, or Chicago and see what happens.


Not certain about LA's laws here, but if you try to carry in NYC or Chicago and you're not one of the favored people you'll end up in jail.
 
2013-02-16 05:37:47 PM  
Can you craigslist stockpiled ammo?  I'd expect a lot of that to start happening after people calm down.
 
2013-02-16 05:38:20 PM  

Abox: ultraholland: Abox: Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Free gun. And casually showing the guy the gun won't raise any red flags with him, then you casually blast him.


Have you seen the surveillance videos of the folks that rob small businesses?  They're neither brave nor tough.  They're dumb punks and they'll go somewhere else.


This. Outside of movies there aren't any master criminals. They'll think twice before they take a crack at a place where there are a dozen armed customers. I don't know why the article mentions concealed carry when va has open carry.
 
2013-02-16 05:38:39 PM  

Government Fromage: Most ammo is still around, albeit at higher prices. .223, 9mm, and 22lr are hard to find though.


So "most" ammo is still around, except for the kind that makes up the majority of ammo sales.
 
2013-02-16 05:38:47 PM  

Shaggy_C: Does the discount apply to gangbangers too? Or just to cornbread white hicks who hate Obama?  There's a reason this shiat only happens in flyover country and near military bases.  Try this in LA, NYC, or Chicago and see what happens.


Kind of irrelevant when those places make it impossible, or nearly so, for the average citizen to carry a gun .

Try harder next time.
 
2013-02-16 05:38:56 PM  
Christ will America ever get over its gun fettish? And murdered children only feeds into our dumb redneck gun hardons.
 
2013-02-16 05:39:04 PM  

Benjamin Orr: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.


Troll- notice the subtle use of the word "threats" to dehumanize the people with guns. Also, unless he's been extremely unlikely in his encounters with gun owners, his story almost has to be fabricated/embellished. Anyone smart enough to carry a gun also knows that business owners are free to eject them, and failure to leave would result in felony trespass with a weapon.
 
2013-02-16 05:40:16 PM  

jaytkay: Gun wankers have totally freaked out since the November election and Sandy Hook.

They're hoarding  weapons and ammo in anticipation of Obama's UN storm troopers showing up at the door.

Stores have have no guns and no ammo. Literally zero. They have nothing on the shelves.

On the plus side, a good number of them will take out themselves and their families over the next couple of years.

// darwin.jpg


And the gun control wankers have been calm and rational in that same timeframe?
 
2013-02-16 05:41:47 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

I call BS. California doesn't have open carry, and CCP is hard to get. I live In PA where it's open carry and shall issue on CCP. I can't think of one instance ever that I saw someone with a gun on them in a restaurant, and you've seen three in one of the most restrictive states?
 
2013-02-16 05:41:54 PM  

super_grass: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

This.  fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.

A little psychological conditioning goes a long way with these hicks ;)


In other words, you're a cowardly douchebag who doesn't have the guts to even say something to them, much less key their vehicle in front of them.
 
2013-02-16 05:43:26 PM  

super_grass: skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?

I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.


Poe's law or meta?
 
2013-02-16 05:44:59 PM  

unamused: propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really?

*snip*

that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.

That would be as silly as saying that anyone with a gun is a potential robber.  Or that a gun can turn a good person bad.  Or that a vagina can turn a woman into a prostitute against her will.

/memorizing a few logical fallacies no more makes one a logician than having a vagina makes a woman a prostitute.


Please leave your genital obsession out of your gun talk, kthanks.
 
2013-02-16 05:45:21 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?
 
2013-02-16 05:48:43 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


Instead of disturb law abiding citizens by your irrational fears and bias, why don't you pick your nancy boy arse up and leave?
 
2013-02-16 05:49:20 PM  

Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?


Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.
 
2013-02-16 05:50:26 PM  

Fubini: Benjamin Orr: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

Not sure if troll or just huge douchebag.

Troll- notice the subtle use of the word "threats" to dehumanize the people with guns. Also, unless he's been extremely unlikely in his encounters with gun owners, his story almost has to be fabricated/embellished. Anyone smart enough to carry a gun also knows that business owners are free to eject them, and failure to leave would result in felony trespass with a weapon.


I just spit Buzz Cola with Lemon all over my keyboard.

/Damn, that's a lemony cola!
 
2013-02-16 05:52:03 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Shaggy_C: Does the discount apply to gangbangers too? Or just to cornbread white hicks who hate Obama?  There's a reason this shiat only happens in flyover country and near military bases.  Try this in LA, NYC, or Chicago and see what happens.

Not certain about LA's laws here, but if you try to carry in NYC or Chicago and you're not one of the favored people you'll end up in jail.


You can only open carry in California if you have a CCW. So I could open carry, but most people here cannot. Why would I, though? I didn't get the CCW just so everyone can eyeball the handgun that matches my outfit the best that day. It's a weapon, not a fashion accessory. Geez. Also bear in mind that we only recognize CCWs from California, so if you're from another state and have a CCW, you still cannot carry. May as well just leave your firearms at home or transport them unloaded in a locking gun case in the trunk of your rental car if you're planning on hitting some of our ranges or shooting events.
 
2013-02-16 05:52:22 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.


In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.
 
2013-02-16 05:55:25 PM  

Acharne:PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?


I wonder what would happen if he happened to have the cops called on another cop?  He doesn't seem to realize that the Cops are more likely to shoot him than the OC'er is.  Heck, he's increasing the odds of violence by having MORE people openly carrying guns come in in an adversarial way.

thorthor: All things being equal, I think id go to the non-gun pizza place. I do think that the revenue will probably increase just from people who want to support their right to concealed carry. I wonder if the food is any good?


You're probably right.  If I was anywhere in the vicinity I'd probably go there.  Gunnies tend to be more concerned about it than non-gunnies.
 
2013-02-16 05:55:54 PM  

MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.


"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.
 
2013-02-16 05:57:40 PM  

MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.


There's no requirement that the policy be posted- but posting it might change the rights or responsibility of either the business owner or the gun owner, depending on state. In some states posting it has effectively zero value because someone with a gun must still be asked to leave before they are required to.  In some cases the only difference between posting the policy and not posting the policy is the level of legal punishment the gun owner would be subject to.
 
2013-02-16 05:58:57 PM  

super_grass: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

This.  fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.


A hope someday you're casually caught doing that and casually get the shiat beaten out of you.
 
2013-02-16 06:01:38 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.


And they get sued for having a hidden policy once a class action attorney sees enough of a pattern. Like I said, a no-gun policy requires a sign at the entrance. If you had that policy, why wouldn't you post a sign at the door instead of confronting people after they are in your business? That would be just asinine.
 
2013-02-16 06:04:57 PM  

Fubini: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

There's no requirement that the policy be posted- but posting it might change the rights or responsibility of either the business owner or the gun owner, depending on state. In some states posting it has effectively zero value because someone with a gun must still be asked to leave before they are required to.  In some cases the only difference between posting the policy and not posting the policy is the level of legal punishment the gun owner would be subject to.


If you have the sign, a customer still has a choice of leaving his gun in his car and patronizing your business. If you don't have the sign and ask him to leave, you just lost a customer forever.
 
2013-02-16 06:11:22 PM  

Acharne: PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?


Oh, stop.  Manager just has to choose between a party of X and lone gunman. It doesn't become policy.

Wonder what happens if the gun-toting party outnumbers the unarmed party of umbrage, though.
 
2013-02-16 06:11:38 PM  

Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.


Because you get a gun out of it?  The guy even shows you where it is - useless, at his hip.

"Hey, give us all your cash and also that gun you are proudly displaying on your person.  Alright, thanks.  We'll probably sell this to someone who might use it to kill somebody."
 
2013-02-16 06:12:07 PM  
super_grass
This. fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.

A little psychological conditioning goes a long way with these hicks ;)



Ah yes,the oh-so-civil left,destroying private property just because you disagree with the owner. Hope you get your ass beat.
 
2013-02-16 06:12:48 PM  
super_grass:

*snip*

This.  fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.

A little psychological conditioning goes a long way with these hicks ;)


... I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, mocking, ficticious in your recount of such interactions, or if you are honestly confessing to defacing the vehicles of complete strangers because you dislike their bumper sticker.

Please clarify, or your lack of decency will cause me to further lose faith in human kind.
 
2013-02-16 06:13:23 PM  

noitsnot: unamused: propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really?

*snip*

that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.

That would be as silly as saying that anyone with a gun is a potential robber.  Or that a gun can turn a good person bad.  Or that a vagina can turn a woman into a prostitute against her will.

/memorizing a few logical fallacies no more makes one a logician than having a vagina makes a woman a prostitute.

No, he was saying that someone who is robber could have a gun. I know this, because that's what he said and I read it - so mote it be.


And robbers are well noted for leaving their gun in the car when it is against the rules to bring it in to the restaurant.
 
2013-02-16 06:19:14 PM  

Fubini: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

You and your kids are roughly as likely to die from the flu as you are from an accidental gunshot. This is true even considering the extremely low morbidity rate of the flu in young people.

You can live your life in fear if you want, but statistically nothing is going to happen. It's math, idiot.


Oooooh ...I smell an anti-vaxer! You don't vaccinate your kids either, do you? A small risk reduction does not justify a small action to reduce that risk ?

Really?

Here's the funny part... The math has already been done for both of us. Our disagreement can not change that.

In fact, guns kept in the home are 43 times more likely to be used to kill someone known to the family than to be used to kill in self-defense

Now, you'll claim that the rise of death incidents is either smaller than reported, or a left-wing conspiracy... And there are plenty of websites to back you up... So I'm willing to stipulate that there is plenty of "evidence" that guns in households make children safer and not more likely to die (as the study above indicates if you care to read).

//say hi to Jenny for me.
 
2013-02-16 06:19:19 PM  

LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.


This exactly.  i know if i was looking for a place to rob I would pick the place where I know there is at least one gun and it's possible that every employee and customer could be armed.  You know, cause that's a far better option than robbing Dominos where they expressly forbid their employees from being armed and are told to immediately hand over all the cash when robbed.
 
2013-02-16 06:21:55 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


You have that luxury (to be a complete douchebag) because concealed carry licenses are issued only to the well-connected in CA. Their lives are more important than the lives of the folks you like to screw with. Normal folks have to carry unloaded in the open, while your betters get to carry concealed and you never get a chance to be a prick about it.
 
2013-02-16 06:24:44 PM  

elkboy: Fubini: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

You and your kids are roughly as likely to die from the flu as you are from an accidental gunshot. This is true even considering the extremely low morbidity rate of the flu in young people.

You can live your life in fear if you want, but statistically nothing is going to happen. It's math, idiot.

Oooooh ...I smell an anti-vaxer! You don't vaccinate your kids either, do you? A small risk reduction does not justify a small action to reduce that risk ?

Really?

Here's the funny part... The math has already been done for both of us. Our disagreement can not change that.

In fact, guns kept in the home are 43 times more likely to be used to kill someone known to the family than to be used to kill in self-defense

Now, you'll claim that the rise of death incidents is either smaller than reported, or a left-wing conspiracy... And there are plenty of websites to back you up... So I'm willing to stipulate that there is plenty of "evidence" that guns in households make children safer and not more likely to die (as the study above indicates if you care to read).

//say hi to Jenny for me.


You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?  Or did you just google a tidbit that fit your bias and not bother to research it?
 
2013-02-16 06:26:29 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


You are what's wrong with this country, and CA in particular.

/lives in CA so has room to comment.
 
2013-02-16 06:26:37 PM  

Callous: You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?


[citation needed}
 
2013-02-16 06:27:50 PM  
elkboy: In fact, guns kept in the home are 43 times more likely to be used to kill someone known to the family than to be used to kill in self-defense

Well, the definition of 'Known to the family' is rather generous, and in any case, someone 'known to the family' can be a threat that requires a response.

Further, because your citation says 'Known to the family' instead of 'accidental (negligent discharge, misidentified a family member as a home invader, etc), one might be suspicious that you're being lied to with statistics.

'Accidental', as a defined term, excludes legitimate self defense. 'Killing someone known to the family' is a term with all kinds of room to fudge.
 
2013-02-16 06:29:24 PM  
We've already established that you're a pizza parlor. I'm just negotiating the price.
 
2013-02-16 06:30:14 PM  

jaytkay: Callous: You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?

[citation needed}


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann

http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

Shall I continue?
 
2013-02-16 06:31:44 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: unamused: propasaurus: unamused: propasaurus: Really?

*snip*

that no one with a gun could be a potential robber.

That would be as silly as saying that anyone with a gun is a potential robber.  Or that a gun can turn a good person bad.  Or that a vagina can turn a woman into a prostitute against her will.

/memorizing a few logical fallacies no more makes one a logician than having a vagina makes a woman a prostitute.

Please leave your genital obsession out of your gun talk, kthanks.


Damn, sorry I let you in on it.  Your parents apparently did an excellent job of hiding it from you.  But, since I already let it slip, you may as well know for sure; women have vaginas.

When you hit the seventh grade, your buddies will start letting you know what they are for.
 
2013-02-16 06:35:18 PM  

MarkEC: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

And they get sued for having a hidden policy once a class action attorney sees enough of a pattern. Like I said, a no-gun policy requires a sign at the entrance. If you had that policy, why wouldn't you post a sign at the door instead of confronting people after they are in your business? That would be just asinine.


No, she's absolutely right. Pattern or no pattern, you don't have to allow people into your business that you don't want to.
 
2013-02-16 06:35:23 PM  

elkboy: Fubini: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

You and your kids are roughly as likely to die from the flu as you are from an accidental gunshot. This is true even considering the extremely low morbidity rate of the flu in young people.

You can live your life in fear if you want, but statistically nothing is going to happen. It's math, idiot.

Oooooh ...I smell an anti-vaxer! You don't vaccinate your kids either, do you? A small risk reduction does not justify a small action to reduce that risk ?

Really?

Here's the funny part... The math has already been done for both of us. Our disagreement can not change that.

In fact, guns kept in the home are 43 times more likely to be used to kill someone known to the family than to be used to kill in self-defense

Now, you'll claim that the rise of death incidents is either smaller than reported, or a left-wing conspiracy... And there are plenty of websites to back you up... So I'm willing to stipulate that there is plenty of "evidence" that guns in households make children safer and not more likely to die (as the study above indicates if you care to read).

//say hi to Jenny for me.


This is why I guffawed when someone up-thread used the phrase "smart enough to be carrying a gun."

Guns are like cigarettes:  it's your right to use them, but if you choose to exercise that right, statistically they will only kill you or your loved ones.

But that's ok, I have risky hobbies that I enjoy even though I know they are dangerous.

It's the people who claim to own guns "for protection" that can pretty much be written off as idiots.
 
2013-02-16 06:36:04 PM  

bestie1: Yakk: unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.

We are more concerned about the robbers with the guns then the hookers with the pussys.

How about robbers with pussies? That could be kind of hot.


Hookers with guns are more common.
 
2013-02-16 06:38:37 PM  

Fubini: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

You and your kids are roughly as likely to die from the flu as you are from an accidental gunshot. This is true even considering the extremely low morbidity rate of the flu in young people.

You can live your life in fear if you want, but statistically nothing is going to happen. It's math, idiot.


LOL!  just like a gun control guy talking to a gun-rights guy!
 
2013-02-16 06:42:18 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.


But if you have already served them, you are stuck with them.  You can't sell them nachos then throw them out before they can eat them.
 
2013-02-16 06:43:26 PM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat on this one.
 
2013-02-16 06:45:03 PM  

unamused: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

But if you have already served them, you are stuck with them.  You can't sell them nachos then throw them out before they can eat them.


I'd agree with that.  You have a dine-in business, and you served them, so as long as they aren't causing a problem they can stay.
 
2013-02-16 06:45:27 PM  

Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.


Because in addition to the cash, they will be getting more free guns!
 
2013-02-16 06:45:33 PM  

shda5582: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

You are what's wrong with this country, and CA in particular.

/lives in CA so has room to comment.


Gun owners should have the same rights as breastfeeding mothers.  Those who say otherwise are just ignorant, fearful control freaks  who see sex in perfectly innocent things.
 
2013-02-16 06:47:14 PM  

unamused: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

But if you have already served them, you are stuck with them.  You can't sell them nachos then throw them out before they can eat them.


You can, but you can't charge them for the food.
 
2013-02-16 06:48:05 PM  

super_grass: skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?

I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.


And because people like the above poster have occasionally come into power through the course of human history, THIS is exactly why we have a 2nd Amendment.

Thanks for that little gem.
 
2013-02-16 06:48:50 PM  

MarkEC: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

And they get sued for having a hidden policy once a class action attorney sees enough of a pattern. Like I said, a no-gun policy requires a sign at the entrance. If you had that policy, why wouldn't you post a sign at the door instead of confronting people after they are in your business? That would be just asinine.


What part of "anyone" did you not understand? I've thrown people out for verbally abusing the waitstaff, inappropriate dress for our restaurant, swearing every other word, having poorly behaved children of any age (though we generally prohibited children under 12 during open hours anyway - something not too terribly uncommon in fine dining establishments), all manner of things have had people tossed. The only "pattern" an attorney would see is "the Chef de Cuisine at this place doesn't like people who ruin other peoples' dining experience and will throw them out".

As I said, you don't need a reason, either. You reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE. If someone is acting all butthurt, just don't give a reason other than "you are disturbing the other guests", but usually a "excuse me, sir/ma'am, we're going to have to ask you to leave" will suffice. They already know what they're doing, so why give them an opening to start an argument?

I've never even been threatened with a lawsuit over having people tossed or tossing them out myself. Restaurants in Cali are considered private property and if you do not leave when asked, you can be cited or even arrested (depends on how bored the cops are). A lawsuit would go about as far for me asking anyone to leave a restaurant where I'm running the show for any reason as one would if I asked them to leave my home. Nowhere.
 
2013-02-16 06:49:53 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Because you get a gun out of it?  The guy even shows you where it is - useless, at his hip.

"Hey, give us all your cash and also that gun you are proudly displaying on your person.  Alright, thanks.  We'll probably sell this to someone who might use it to kill somebody."


Yeah, that's why so many cops get robbed of their guns.

You're not really that farking stupid are you?  Tell me it was a troll.
 
2013-02-16 06:51:47 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: shda5582: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

You are what's wrong with this country, and CA in particular.

/lives in CA so has room to comment.

Gun owners should have the same rights as breastfeeding mothers.  Those who say otherwise are just ignorant, fearful control freaks  who see sex in perfectly innocent things.


Yep.  Basically, you go along with whatever reasonable social conventions are in use in the society.  Most people don't want to watch breastfeeding, cuz the whole sexuality/motherhood conflation is confusing - fine - breastfeed privately.  Most people don't want to see guns carried around because the implied threat of violence causes anxiety - fine - leave guns at home.

You wanna live as a member of a group - deal with the rules.  You wanna be a loner - please, shoot only yourself when you freak out.
 
2013-02-16 06:57:33 PM  

jaytkay: Government Fromage: Most ammo is still around, albeit at higher prices. .223, 9mm, and 22lr are hard to find though.

So "most" ammo is still around, except for the kind that makes up the majority of ammo sales.


True those are probably the most common. Just mean that there was plenty of .380, .40, .45, 38, .357, .44, and all of the rifle and shotgun cartridges. Only thing I've really seen that's been *totally* out has been 22lr, and that seems to be coming coming back. A place I stopped at the other day had it piled to the ceiling, and Gander Mountain has started getting shipments again (although it seems to be selling out quick there)
 
2013-02-16 06:58:47 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Because in addition to the cash, they will be getting more free guns!


That's why gun stores get robbed so often.
 
2013-02-16 07:03:21 PM  

unamused: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Because you get a gun out of it?  The guy even shows you where it is - useless, at his hip.

"Hey, give us all your cash and also that gun you are proudly displaying on your person.  Alright, thanks.  We'll probably sell this to someone who might use it to kill somebody."

Yeah, that's why so many cops get robbed of their guns.

You're not really that farking stupid are you?  Tell me it was a troll.


Yes, the tubby guy slinging pizzas behind a counter and dealing with customers and running a business is a cop.  Right.  Let me know when cops have a hundred different things to do rather than keep an eye out for perpetrators.

No, what will happen is this guy gets held up, they take his gun, or he tries to pull and gets shot to death.

Try again.
 
2013-02-16 07:04:06 PM  

unamused: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Abox: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

Why would they rob the one place that they know has a gun-carrying owner when there are plenty of other places to rob.

Because you get a gun out of it?  The guy even shows you where it is - useless, at his hip.

"Hey, give us all your cash and also that gun you are proudly displaying on your person.  Alright, thanks.  We'll probably sell this to someone who might use it to kill somebody."

Yeah, that's why so many cops get robbed of their guns.

You're not really that farking stupid are you?  Tell me it was a troll.


Please don't call people farking stupid when you reply to them.  It's very unpleasant, and shows that you are unsure enough of your position that you need to call names.

So let's try to have some class from here on out.
 
2013-02-16 07:04:07 PM  

dfenstrate: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

You have that luxury (to be a complete douchebag) because concealed carry licenses are issued only to the well-connected in CA. Their lives are more important than the lives of the folks you like to screw with. Normal folks have to carry unloaded in the open, while your betters get to carry concealed and you never get a chance to be a prick about it.


Not true. California law allows Police Chiefs and County Sheriffs to issue a license to carry a concealed firearm if the following requirements are met:

1. The person applying is of good moral character (not a felon, no domestic violence, no restraining orders, etc)

2. That good cause exists for the issuance

3. The applicant is a resident of the county or city to which they are applying (or the applicant's place of employment is within the city or county)

4. The applicant has completed a course of training (16-24 hours)

That course of training has a test at the end, btw. I'm hardly what anyone would call "connected" and I have a CCW. I also got it in Sacramento county. It's usually easier to get one in Cali if you live in a rural community and are connected, but they ignore the "good cause" part. In the cities, all requirements must be met, but you absolutely don't need to be connected.
 
2013-02-16 07:05:30 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: What part of "anyone" did you not understand? I've thrown people out for verbally abusing the waitstaff, inappropriate dress for our restaurant, swearing every other word, having poorly behaved children of any age (though we generally prohibited children under 12 during open hours anyway - something not too terribly uncommon in fine dining establishments), all manner of things have had people tossed. The only "pattern" an attorney would see is "the Chef de Cuisine at this place doesn't like people who ruin other peoples' dining experience and will throw them out".

As I said, you don't need a reason, either. You reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE. If someone is acting all butthurt, just don't give a reason other than "you are disturbing the other guests", but usually a "excuse me, sir/ma'am, we're going to have to ask you to leave" will suffice. They already know what they're doing, so why give them an opening to start an argument?

I've never even been threatened with a lawsuit over having people tossed or tossing them out myself. Restaurants in Cali are considered private property and if you do not leave when asked, you can be cited or even arrested (depends on how bored the cops are). A lawsuit would go about as far for me asking anyone to leave a restaurant where I'm running the show for any reason as one would if I asked them to leave my home. Nowhere.


I'm clueless when it comes to the law, but I would think that if the restaurant let them in while they were carrying they're implying that it's ok. Turning around later and saying sorry, you need to go seems like of...not right.

If I was asked to leave in the middle of my dinner I certainly would, Without paying. And I'd not return there. Of course I don't have to worry about that scenario since I don't carry a gun.
 
2013-02-16 07:08:04 PM  

Callous: jaytkay: Callous: You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?

[citation needed}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann

http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

Shall I continue?


1)
Your wikipedia link has no debunking but many instances of gun nuts saying "GUns RULE1!!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann
"...but, according to pro-gun groups.. "
".. The NRA and other pro-gun groups argued.. "
".. Kellermann also was criticized by pro-gun groups.. "
".. Pro-gun groups also claimed that it was suspicious.. "
".. Pro-gun groups claimed.. "
2)
Your 2nd link essentially says, "Responsible gun owners pose no risk. Until they murder people. But then they're no longer responsible gun owners! GOTCHA!!"
 http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html
""What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor "

3)
Your 3rd link essentially says, "Kellerman may be wrong but we can't tell you why"
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html
 "... Showing flaws in the methods does not prove that the paper is wrong...This does not prove that there was any selection or response bias in this study, it just shows that there was room for such biases to act..."

4)
Your 4th link is a bunch of nebulous claims without attribution. And John Lott is a disgraced fraud.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

5)
I see no indication that, "Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it "

/ LOL, conservatives, LOL. You really shouldn't try to argue about subjects that get you all emotional.
 
2013-02-16 07:08:06 PM  
This guy just wants to surround himself with like-minded people.  He openly carries (please stop saying, "open carries," BTW).  He prefers drivers who openly carry.  He hopes to attract customers who openly carry.  He is simply seeking validation of his opinions.

I guarantee you he did not run any spreadsheet projections or conduct any focus group studies.  It's not a bloodless corporate decision, it's a personal preference.

And that doesn't mean he's going to lose money.  Only time will tell.
 
2013-02-16 07:09:24 PM  

noitsnot: MarkEC: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

And they get sued for having a hidden policy once a class action attorney sees enough of a pattern. Like I said, a no-gun policy requires a sign at the entrance. If you had that policy, why wouldn't you post a sign at the door instead of confronting people after they are in your business? That would be just asinine.

No, she's absolutely right. Pattern or no pattern, you don't have to allow people into your business that you don't want to.


So you can keep blacks out as long as you don't make it  a written policy? Are you really arguing that? "No your honor, I didn't kick those 100 gun owners out of my store because they're gun owners, I kicked them out because they all swore at my waitress. And I haven't had any one else swear at my waitress." You think that will fly? The "We reserve the right to deny service to anyone without reason" has been shot down so many times in court, I can't believe people still argue it. It was a clear attempt to not serve blacks and say it was for a different reason. Once a pattern is shown, you lose in court. Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.
 
2013-02-16 07:09:39 PM  
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2013-02-16 07:13:27 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No, what will happen is this guy gets held up, they take his gun, or he tries to pull and gets shot to death.


Like this 65 year-old lady, right?  Five punks come into her store with guns drawn, she blasts back and and hilarity ensues.

Now show me an example of an armed shopkeeper who got shot.
 
2013-02-16 07:15:11 PM  
A robber would likely be an employee or someone they know, so this probably won't serve as a real theft deterrent.  It's interesting that there's so much enthusiasm to carry a gun to stop the dumb criminals when there's so little enthusiasm to learn accounting to stop the smart ones.
 
2013-02-16 07:15:55 PM  
www.goingfaster.com
 
2013-02-16 07:16:00 PM  

Callous: LordJiro: 7th Son of a 7th Son: Since the owner open carries, one would think if a robber shows up one of them would leave in a body bag, and not the owner.

Unless the guy is quick on the draw, a robber will have the advantage. And the owner open-carrying will make any potential robbers more likely to shoot first.

This exactly.  i know if i was looking for a place to rob I would pick the place where I know there is at least one gun and it's possible that every employee and customer could be armed.  You know, cause that's a far better option than robbing Dominos where they expressly forbid their employees from being armed and are told to immediately hand over all the cash when robbed.


Yeah!

A chance to kill or be killed for someone elses $50.00!

What a dream job!
 
2013-02-16 07:19:58 PM  

MarkEC: noitsnot: MarkEC: Real Women Drink Akvavit: MarkEC: The My Little Pony Killer: Slappajo: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

So you'd be ok with a restaurant not serving the negroes?

Because choosing to carry a gun everywhere you go is just like being born black.

In most states, a business can have a no-gun policy, but must have it posted on the entrance. If it doesn't, it doesn't have a no-gun policy and can't ask you to leave simply because you have a gun.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is a very popular bit of signage in this state. You don't need a reason, either. Don't want to serve someone, just tell them to leave and they must leave.

And they get sued for having a hidden policy once a class action attorney sees enough of a pattern. Like I said, a no-gun policy requires a sign at the entrance. If you had that policy, why wouldn't you post a sign at the door instead of confronting people after they are in your business? That would be just asinine.

No, she's absolutely right. Pattern or no pattern, you don't have to allow people into your business that you don't want to.

So you can keep blacks out as long as you don't make it  a written policy? Are you really arguing that? "No your honor, I didn't kick those 100 gun owners out of my store because they're gun owners, I kicked them out because they all swore at my waitress. And I haven't had any one else swear at my waitress." You think that will fly? The "We reserve the right to deny service to anyone without reason" has been shot down so many times in court, I can't believe people ...


Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped.  And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally.  Can you cite any examples to the contrary?  I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.
 
2013-02-16 07:20:48 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Gun owners should have the same rights as breastfeeding mothers. Those who say otherwise are just ignorant, fearful

...

I walk around Chicago without a weapon. You're calling me fearful?

The fearful people think they need a gun to get a Slurpee at a suburban 7-11.

The ignorant ones buy an AR-15 and a thousand rounds of .223 Cuz Obama gonna take mah GUNZ!!
 
2013-02-16 07:22:02 PM  
Also, this thing you keep saying:

Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.

I think you made that up.  Prove me wrong.
 
2013-02-16 07:22:51 PM  

super_grass: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

This.  fark gun owners.

I make sure to casually key a few trucks and SUBs with NRA or GOP bumper stickers whenever I'm at the local mall or movie theater parking lot.

A little psychological conditioning goes a long way with these hicks ;)


You sound like a wonderful person. You sure proved who was the huge asshole there.
 
2013-02-16 07:30:43 PM  

noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.


Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....
 
2013-02-16 07:32:56 PM  

udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....


I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?
 
2013-02-16 07:34:15 PM  

Dracolich: A robber would likely be an employee or someone they know, so this probably won't serve as a real theft deterrent.  It's interesting that there's so much enthusiasm to carry a gun to stop the dumb criminals when there's so little enthusiasm to learn accounting to stop the smart ones.


I think more businesses have accountants than have guns.
 
2013-02-16 07:34:30 PM  

noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?


I was referring to where you said "I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally."

You most certainly cannot do so.
 
2013-02-16 07:34:34 PM  

noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?


Oh, unless you were pointing out that even protected classes can be barred from private establishments, which just supports my point more.
 
2013-02-16 07:35:47 PM  

noitsnot: noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?

Oh, unless you were pointing out that even protected classes can be barred from private establishments, which just supports my point more.


"Private clubs" - i.e. Augusta
 
2013-02-16 07:39:01 PM  

noitsnot: noitsnot: noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?

Oh, unless you were pointing out that even protected classes can be barred from private establishments, which just supports my point more.

"Private clubs" - i.e. Augusta


Right.  August is a private club.  It is not a business, it does not serve the public.  It's essentially no different than my book club that meets over scotch and hooka in my porch.
 
2013-02-16 07:39:39 PM  

Government Fromage: I'm clueless when it comes to the law, but I would think that if the restaurant let them in while they were carrying they're implying that it's ok. Turning around later and saying sorry, you need to go seems like of...not right.

If I was asked to leave in the middle of my dinner I certainly would, Without paying. And I'd not return there. Of course I don't have to worry about that scenario since I don't carry a gun.


That's a reasonable stance, too. If other customers start complaining, you might be asked to leave, but it would be at the head of waitstaff's discretion. So always be nice to the waitstaff member who is serving your table. Generally speaking, that sort of thing is not a problem - never has been for me, anyway - unless the person others are complaining about is so obnoxious I'm already aware of it and leaving my kitchen lair (OH NO! Now you've done it!) and tossing them out myself as soon as I finish artfully arranging some food with this pair of tweezers. I wouldn't expect them to pay because I wouldn't want them in the restaurant any longer than necessary. I think that's standard for a lot of places though. If you must expel someone from your business, do it as politely, quickly and quietly as possible and feed the lowest ranking commis any food of theirs that wasn't taken to the table yet.

MarkEC: "No your honor, I didn't kick those 100 gun owners out of my store because they're gun owners, I kicked them out because they all swore at my waitress. And I haven't had any one else swear at my waitress." You think that will fly?


The "No, your honor, they were kicked out because they were disturbing other guests who are also paying a minimum of $120 just to walk in the door" would work great, though.
 
2013-02-16 07:46:07 PM  

udhq: noitsnot: udhq: noitsnot: Gun carriers aren't a "protected class" like race, gender and handicapped. And even so, I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally. Can you cite any examples to the contrary? I can cite the fact that Augusta Country Club did not allow blacks or women until 1990.

Title II of The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would like a word with you.....

I don't understand.  Where are gun carriers there?

I was referring to where you said "I think you probably could turn away all of a given race legally."

You most certainly cannot do so.


Any policy has a disparate impact upon a protected class it violates the CRA whether or not the intent of the policy was to discriminate against the protected class.  A no-gun policy that resulted in 100% of blacks being excluded from a public accommodation would be a violation, for example.
 
2013-02-16 07:57:53 PM  

unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.


Everyone with a pussy that I have known is a hooker. What's your point?
 
2013-02-16 08:05:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: So how do they prove they're a gun owner?  I assume they'll have to show the gun to the delivery driver, whom I'm sure will be THRILLED that every customer is going to be pulling a gun on them.


You are aware that you can show someone your gun without pointing it at them, having it loaded, or presenting any kind of threat, right? I mean, if it's for delivery, you could show em the gun at home, unloaded, with the trigger lock on it, and it'd be ok... it's not like he's asking people to irresponsibly unholster, unlock, or ohterwise mishandle their weapons.
 
2013-02-16 08:07:59 PM  
Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.
 
2013-02-16 08:10:43 PM  

elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.


Do you let your kids ride in a car?  Far more likely to die in a car wreck than being shot accidentally....there's some math for ya. I have three college age daughters that were never shot even though there were guns in our home.  None of their friends were ether.   They respect guns and know gun safety.  I wish your kids well when they meet the real world. Mine are doing fine.
 
2013-02-16 08:16:48 PM  
I also love how people think that carrying a gun makes them capable of stopping a criminal.

You know why police departments nationwide hate it when officers fire their guns? Because even well trained officers are terrible shots. Seriously, under tense conditions with high adrenaline, most people would be better off throwing the gun at the bad guy than firing the damn thing.

And guess what, I love shooting guns but if asked to stop a robbery or even mass shooting, I am ducking and weaving until I get close enough to tackle the guy.
 
2013-02-16 08:18:32 PM  

Smarticus: elkboy: The odds of your family being shot in a restaurant is based on the number of guns inside (or within range) of said restaurant... I'd simply take my business elsewhere.

Just as I won't let my kids play at houses of gun-owning neighbors.

It's math, biatches.

Do you let your kids ride in a car?  Far more likely to die in a car wreck than being shot accidentally....there's some math for ya. I have three college age daughters that were never shot even though there were guns in our home.  None of their friends were ether.   They respect guns and know gun safety.  I wish your kids well when they meet the real world. Mine are doing fine.


Don't bother, since you've admitted to owning guns you must there for be an overweight redneck who has a small penis, hates minorities, practices incest and is named cletus.
 
2013-02-16 08:25:43 PM  
oooh watch out big men with their .44 strapped to their hip like a queer straps on a dildo to fark his gay ass friend

*coughpoofterscough*
 
2013-02-16 08:30:40 PM  

F22raptom: oooh watch out big men with their .44 strapped to their hip like a queer straps on a dildo to fark his gay ass friend

*coughpoofterscough*


Someone who stereotypes homosexuals and gun owners? Now isn't this a rare sight.
 
2013-02-16 08:31:05 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Acharne: PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?

Oh, stop.  Manager just has to choose between a party of X and lone gunman. It doesn't become policy.

Wonder what happens if the gun-toting party outnumbers the unarmed party of umbrage, though.


So you're saying you see why I'm asking for clarification right? The post implied it was some sort of policy of the restaurant and this is what I want to clarify. Also perhaps if there is some law about this in California I don't know about.
 
2013-02-16 08:38:27 PM  

Acharne: BarkingUnicorn: Acharne: PapaChester: ht to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

Wait. If I'm following, you are dictating to a restaurant what the restaurant policy will be? And that policy is the restaurant does not serve people with guns? To clarify, you enter a restaurant, get seated, notice another group, one of whom has a gun, and you get the manager to remove them and by calling the police?

Oh, stop.  Manager just has to choose between a party of X and lone gunman. It doesn't become policy.

Wonder what happens if the gun-toting party outnumbers the unarmed party of umbrage, though.

So you're saying you see why I'm asking for clarification right? The post implied it was some sort of policy of the restaurant and this is what I want to clarify. Also perhaps if there is some law about this in California I don't know about.


There is no open carry in California at all unless you have a CCW. 'Tis against the law.
 
2013-02-16 08:39:17 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: unamused: propasaurus: Really? You don't think someone with a gun might decide they'd rather get a 100% discount?

Because having a gun makes everyone a potential robber; just like having a pussy turns all women into hookers.

Everyone with a pussy that I have known is a hooker. What's your point?


Dad?!?!
 
2013-02-16 08:53:38 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.


FTA : "All they have to do is show me that they're carrying a weapon or they can show me their concealed weapons permit and they can get the discount," says All Around Pizza owner, Jay Laze.

No discount for you.
 
2013-02-16 09:20:33 PM  

super_grass: skinink: So 15 percent off a pizza if you can prove you can legally carry instruments of death? This is the most farked up promotion I've heard of. Wha about people who carry knives, don't they get a deal?

I know, this is why I want to see the owner dead so much.

It annoys me that these violent idiots are allowed to live.


Let's see.. You want to kill all gun owners, and you key/scratch up people's cars that have NRA stickers.

I think it's easy to see who the "violent idiot" is.
 
2013-02-16 09:30:36 PM  

noitsnot: Also, this thing you keep saying:

Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.

I think you made that up.  Prove me wrong.


from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."
Wisconsin:
Does the City have a sign available for purchase?
Yes, cost is $5 dollars a sign. There are different types of signs. Both are 5" X 7" and printed on self-adhesive, vinyl stock. One is designed to be applied to the exterior door surface; the other is printed to allow for interior application to glass, and readable from the exterior (reverse image).Signs for purchase: Sign are available at the
 
2013-02-16 09:31:46 PM  
It cut my post short..

What are the requirements of the sign?
The sign must be at least 5 inches by 7 inches and indicate that weapons are prohibited on the property. Signs must be posted near all entrances to the building where the restriction applies.
 
2013-02-16 09:37:53 PM  

TomD9938: Hobo Jr.: Damn it. This never happens where I live because I would lie every time I went in.

Of course I own a gun Mr. Pizza guy and now give me my 15% off.

FTA : "All they have to do is show me that they're carrying a weapon or they can show me their concealed weapons permit and they can get the discount," says All Around Pizza owner, Jay Laze.

No discount for you.


Lame.

He is worse than the federal government forcing me to have permit in the first place. A real American wouldn't need me to show ID in order to gain a benefit.
 
2013-02-16 09:38:29 PM  

MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."


I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.
 
2013-02-16 09:44:05 PM  

Hobo Jr.: He is worse than the federal government forcing me to have permit in the first place. A real American wouldn't need me to show ID in order to gain a benefit.


My favorite pizza place is owned by a guy who's a hard right winger (stickers and slogans of all variety hanging in the lobby, etc.  and he probably carrysa gun  himself.

He offers a steep discount to all, gun owner or no.  The only condition is you come in and pick it up and you pay in cash (wink - wink).
 
2013-02-16 09:45:37 PM  

TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.


There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
 
2013-02-16 10:18:06 PM  

TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.


Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".

/ Protip: You are wankers. That is all.
 
2013-02-16 10:21:33 PM  

jaytkay: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".

/ Protip: You are wankers. That is all.


Someone did something that effected no one, those wankers! How dare they utilize their 2nd amendment rights!
 
2013-02-16 10:40:04 PM  
jaytkay : arent you always crying about how carrying guns makes people "dangerous"?
 
2013-02-16 10:40:15 PM  
I think I'll skip going to the "we cater to drunkards proudly waving their guns around" pizza joint, but thanks anyway.
 
2013-02-16 10:49:48 PM  

spacelord321: jaytkay : arent you always crying about how carrying guns makes people "dangerous"?


No, I am always pointing and laughing at people who think guns make them "dangerous" and their paranoid need to appear "dangerous".
 
2013-02-16 10:52:25 PM  

jaytkay: Gee, I am shocked, shocked that "purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist" wankers would expect that carrying a gun would make them "dangerous".


I actually was surprised to learn that crew were carrying. They dont fit the Michigan Militia media stereotype in the least, and to date, none of them has killed anyone either.

It's cool that they went the legal route too. It's more than can be said for most of the people who carry in the neighborhoods of south Minneapolis where these guys live.
 
2013-02-16 11:37:20 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: dfenstrate: PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper

You have that luxury (to be a complete douchebag) because concealed carry licenses are issued only to the well-connected in CA. Their lives are more important than the lives of the folks you like to screw with. Normal folks have to carry unloaded in the open, while your betters get to carry concealed and you never get a chance to be a prick about it.

Not true. California law allows Police Chiefs and County Sheriffs to issue a license to carry a concealed firearm if the following requirements are met:

1. The person applying is of good moral character (not a felon, no domestic violence, no restraining orders, etc)

2. That good cause exists for the issuance

3. The applicant is a resident of the county or city to which they are applying (or the applicant's place of employment is within the city or county)

4. The applicant has completed a course of training (16-24 hours)

That course of training has a test at the end, btw. I'm hardly what anyone would call "connected" and I have a CCW. I also got it in Sacramento county. It's usually easier to get one in Cali if you live in a rural community and are connected, but they ignore the "good cause" part. In the cities, all requirements must be met, but you absolutely don't need to be connected.


Did they remove the part about population also?  I believe the law used to be that the population of the county you were applying had to be less than 100,000 or something like that.  Which basically gives almost every sheriff in CA a way to deny anybody who isn't connected from getting one.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:24 PM  

jaytkay: Callous: jaytkay: Callous: You are aware that the Kellerman Study has been debunked and even Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it, right?

[citation needed}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann

http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

Shall I continue?

1)
Your wikipedia link has no debunking but many instances of gun nuts saying "GUns RULE1!!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann
"...but, according to pro-gun groups.. "
".. The NRA and other pro-gun groups argued.. "
".. Kellermann also was criticized by pro-gun groups.. "
".. Pro-gun groups also claimed that it was suspicious.. "
".. Pro-gun groups claimed.. "
2)
Your 2nd link essentially says, "Responsible gun owners pose no risk. Until they murder people. But then they're no longer responsible gun owners! GOTCHA!!"
 http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html
""What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor "

3)
Your 3rd link essentially says, "Kellerman may be wrong but we can't tell you why"
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html
 "... Showing flaws in the methods does not prove that the paper is wrong...This does not prove that there was any selection or response bias in this study, it just shows that there was room for such biases to act..."

4)
Your 4th link is a bunch of nebulous claims without attribution. And John Lott is a disgraced fraud.
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=717

5)
I see no indication that, "Arthur Kellerman himself doesn't stand by it "

/ LOL, conservatives, LOL. You really shouldn't try to argue about subjects that get you all emotional.


If you use the same statistical analysis methods that Kellerman used, you get that you are 2.5 times more likely to be killed with something other than a firearm in a house that has a firearm.

Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.
 
2013-02-17 12:00:27 AM  

BGates: Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.


That explains why the antis like it.
 
2013-02-17 12:31:01 AM  

John Buck 41: BGates: Kellermans study was biased and only useful to people who hate firearms.  Any logical and intelligent person would not use that study.

That explains why the antis like it.


I don't like this breakdown of pro/anti gun... I mean, I support mental health testing prerequisites, regular proficiency testing, and universal background checks, but I also support slightly deregulating the sale of full autos, I'm ok with open carry pretty much everywhere that isn't a bank, courthouse, or secured facility (police station, etc.). I'm also ok with (for semi or full auto) proof of possession checks once every couple months to prove that the weapon registered to you is actually in your posession (e.g. you haven't lended out your gun to persons unknown or failed to report a theft). I'm ok with making straw purchases a 10 year minimum jail sentence, I'm ok with first time violent felon in posession of a gun being a 10 year minimum and second time being 20-life. I'm also ok with laws requiring trigger locks on handguns in any house with a minor. I'm ok with strict liability for gun owners (if you can't secure it, you shouldn't own it).... so I find that I'm neither in the camp of pro-gun morons who think background checks are the devil and everyone should be allowed to sell guns out of their trunk no questions asked, but I'm also not a member of the anti-gun morons who are wholeheartedly convinced that their experience living in the city means that I'll somehow be safer against mountain cats, bears, and other wild animals that fark with people in the mountains all the time.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:03 AM  

MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEA ...


OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign.  All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.
 
2013-02-17 12:42:05 AM  

noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I dont have have a CC permit myself, but I asked one friend who does what he and his many buddies who also carry do when they encounter those signs.

He says they ignore them completely.

BTW, these are the purple haired, Linux using, urban anarchist types... Not a redneck in the bunch.

There's only a few states where the signs carry any actual weight.


Here's a good one:
South Carolina No Concealable Weapons Allowed SignSECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty six inches wide by forty eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEAL ...


I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.
 
2013-02-17 12:46:32 AM  

super_grass: I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.


I can't wait for the followup story where some idiot tries to rob the joint and is killed by customers who came for the discount.
 
2013-02-17 12:53:28 AM  

BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."


I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.
 
2013-02-17 01:48:22 AM  
Okay, CCW here, and I've probably read more about the topic than most.

IN GENERAL(specific state law varies), passing a 'no carry' sign while carrying is automatically trespass.  It varies between misdemeanor and felony, though the most common is simply to verbally kick them out.  Most gun owners will peacefully leave at this point; those that won't aren't likely to be legal carriers anyways.

This doesn't remove a business's right to kick out whoever they please short of the protected reasons as stated by noitsnot.

Thus, the more I think about it the more I doubt Papachester's story.
 
2013-02-17 01:55:58 AM  

PapaChester: I have told managers on three separate occasions that my party is leaving unless the party with the gun on their hip is removed from the premises.

On all three occasions the police have had to show up to remind the threats that businesses reserve the right to serve who they please and people equipped with firearms were not welcome.

I love CA. You keep your death dealing device away from my sushi, thank you very much.

/big tipper


Try that here, Snowflake.....You shouldn't feel uncomfortable around someone who could potentially protect you during a bad situation, Our death dealing devices give us great comfort.

/big dipper :)
//legal carrier
 
2013-02-17 02:26:31 AM  
I'd think a gun could get me a 100% discount. Especially considering the people that would be excited about guns and cheap pizza likely can't draw without standing up, and have trouble standing up.
 
2013-02-17 02:41:14 AM  
This thread has been fun to read. As a Minnesotan with a permit to carry, I have carried in courthouses, banks, at hearings in the Capitol, to church every Sunday, and most recently to the five guys and dog park I went to tonight. I know many, many people that carry on a daily basis and it is funny that those who have no experience, no training, and no interest in being responsible enough to own a gun want to tell the rest of us what to do.

Like most people with a permit, I also ignore every "guns are banned here" sign that I see, if I can't take my business elsewhere. Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.
 
2013-02-17 02:46:01 AM  

PaLarkin: super_grass: I can't wait for the followup story where the owner is either shot dead by a gun nut or gets robbed because of his own stupid rule.

Gun owners are so paranoid and spiteful.

I can't wait for the followup story where some idiot tries to rob the joint and is killed by customers who came for the discount.


I can't wait until nothing violent at all happens and the pizza joint owner gets lots and lots of free publicity and increased sales by being good at free advertising.
 
2013-02-17 03:37:38 AM  

noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.


It's not, but it's the only 'quick' way to do it, that makes carrying into the building/store instant trespassing.  Other than that you have to somehow figure out that they are carrying and formally revoke their access to the building, whether written or verbally.  They then have the right to collect their things and leave in an expeditious but not hurried fashion.

NBSV: I'd think a gun could get me a 100% discount. Especially considering the people that would be excited about guns and cheap pizza likely can't draw without standing up, and have trouble standing up.


I don't need to stand up to pull.  The pizza guy is already standing.
 
2013-02-17 04:44:17 AM  
I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.
 
2013-02-17 07:09:51 AM  

noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.

Interesting you choose the word CAN when the law says MUST.
 
2013-02-17 07:22:38 AM  

noitsnot: BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.


No, you all are claiming you can have a no-gun policy without posting it. Regular business law requires you to inform your customers of any policies you have before a transaction is started. If you have a no-return policy, it must be posted. Companies have lost law suites when they only had policies written on the back of receipts because the customer MUST be informed before the transaction is started. If you want to greet every customer at your door and tell them verbally that you have a no-gun policy, that's fine. Sit them down and take their order, then kick them out because you see a bulge in their jacket and you have a problem.
 
2013-02-17 09:58:24 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I think I'll skip going to the "we cater to drunkards proudly waving their guns around" pizza joint, but thanks anyway.


Because Pizza Hut is always full of hard-core drunks, right?

Besides the fact that he catering to people that are carrying legally, and in every state I'm familiar with, it's against the law to carry while under the influence.

But other than that, your hyperbolic BS is right on the money.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:03 AM  

MarkEC: noitsnot: OK, so none of that actually says that the only way to refuse entry to people with guns is by posting a sign. All of those quotes just said that you CAN use a sign, and if you do, such and such are the rules about posting it.
Interesting you choose the word CAN when the law says MUST.


No it doesn't.  Nothing you have shown says that.  Where does it say that?
 
2013-02-17 11:35:08 AM  

MarkEC: noitsnot: BGates: noitsnot: MarkEC: TomD9938: MarkEC: from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."

I think the point is that if you have a sign it has to meet said requirements or it's not a valid sign.  Hence why most people disregard the signs.

He's trying to claim that you can't refuse service to a gun carrier unless you have a special sign posted.

We claim you can refuse service to anyone you want as long as it's not for reasons of race, religion, gender or handicapped status.

No, you all are claiming you can have a no-gun policy without posting it. Regular business law requires you to inform your customers of any policies you have before a transaction is started. If you have a no-return policy, it must be posted. Companies have lost law suites when they only had policies written on the back of receipts because the customer MUST be informed before the transaction is started. If you want to greet every customer at your door and tell them verbally that you have a no-gun policy, that's fine. Sit them down and take their order, then kick them out because you see a bulge in their jacket and you have a problem.


No, what I am claiming is what I said.  Because I said it.  You don't get to say what my position is. I do.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:16 AM  
not2conceited: .... Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.

You and Mark here should talk - he says in Minnesota a sign is the only way to legally bar you.
 
SH
2013-02-17 11:59:14 AM  
Gun owner drama queens.

Hilarious.

/almost as hilarious as the republican drama queens.
 
2013-02-17 12:58:18 PM  

scalpod: I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.


The Lone Star College wasn't a mass shooting, and Luby's happened before Texas had a shall issue CCW system.
 
2013-02-17 02:20:47 PM  

noitsnot: not2conceited: .... Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.

You and Mark here should talk - he says in Minnesota a sign is the only way to legally bar you.


Are you really that thick-headed? The law says if you have a no-gun policy, you must post a sign or tell every patron that walks in that you have that policy. You cannot have hidden customer policies. The sign is there stating the policy. You ask someone to leave if they come in with a gun. If they don't immediately leave, they can be arrested for armed trespass. Without that sign, the first thing the police will ask when they show up after you call is "where's your signs?". They'll then escort the gun carrier out the door, and warn you to get signs put up if you really want to have a no-gun policy. Telling the cops that you can have that policy and don't want to put up signs and they'll tell you they don't really have to show up when you call the next time and that your wasting their time.
 
2013-02-17 02:36:56 PM  

MarkEC: noitsnot: Also, this thing you keep saying:

Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.

I think you made that up.  Prove me wrong.

from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."
Wisconsin:
Does the City have a sign available for purchase?
Yes, cost is $5 dollars a sign. There are different types of signs. Both are 5" X 7" and printed on self-adhesive, vinyl stock. One is designed to be applied to the exterior door surface; the other is printed to allow for interior application to glass, and readable from the exterior (reverse image).Signs for purchase: Sign are available at the


This is your post, that says that establishments can notify patrons that guns are not allowed.  Notice the "OR" which indicates that you can use a sign, OR you can notify verbally.

You were the one who told me about this.
 
2013-02-17 02:49:10 PM  

noitsnot: MarkEC: noitsnot: Also, this thing you keep saying:

Many states' gun laws state that if you have a no-gun policy, you MUST have it posted.

I think you made that up.  Prove me wrong.

from Wiki for Minnesota " Private establishments can ban any firearms and must post a notice banning guns on their premises or personally notify patrons that guns are not allowed."
Wisconsin:
Does the City have a sign available for purchase?
Yes, cost is $5 dollars a sign. There are different types of signs. Both are 5" X 7" and printed on self-adhesive, vinyl stock. One is designed to be applied to the exterior door surface; the other is printed to allow for interior application to glass, and readable from the exterior (reverse image).Signs for purchase: Sign are available at the

This is your post, that says that establishments can notify patrons that guns are not allowed.  Notice the "OR" which indicates that you can use a sign, OR you can notify verbally.

You were the one who told me about this.


Absolutely. That notification must take place immediately, not after they've sat down and ordered their food in your restaurant.
 
2013-02-17 02:50:36 PM  

MarkEC: noitsnot: not2conceited: .... Gun free zones are unarmed victim advertisements for criminals and the signs do not have the force of law here in Minnesota, so it is really just a polite request I am free to decline.

You and Mark here should talk - he says in Minnesota a sign is the only way to legally bar you.

Are you really that thick-headed? The law says if you have a no-gun policy, you must post a sign or tell every patron that walks in that you have that policy.


Mmm hmm - OK - yes, I remember you posting this.  Although it didn't use the word "policy".  You love that word "policy". Policy policy policy.  But this just agrees with what I have been saying the whole time.  If you want someone to leave because you see they have a gun, you just tell them so.  Why is a sign required?  This is like the sovereign citizen kooks with their gold-fringed flags.

You cannot have hidden customer policies. The sign is there stating the policy. You ask someone to leave if they come in with a gun. If they don't immediately leave, they can be arrested for armed trespass. Without that sign, the first thing the police will ask when they show up after you call is "where's your signs?". They'll then escort the gun carrier out the door, and warn you to get signs put up if you really want to have a no-gun policy. Telling the cops that you can have that policy and don't want to put up signs and they'll tell you they don't really have to show up when you call the next time and that your wasting their time.

Then a bunch of made-up BS about "what the police will do".  Is there a reason you know what the police will do?  Have you sent them this script to use, so they will know what to say?
 
2013-02-17 03:06:46 PM  

scalpod: I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.


Lone Star College is a gun free zone.  University of Texas is a gun free zone.  Luby's shooting is the reason we can now conceal carry in Texas.   You might want to check your own sense of history.
 
2013-02-17 03:16:55 PM  

SH: Gun owner drama queens.

Hilarious.

/almost as hilarious as the republican drama queens.


i like lamp
 
2013-02-17 05:19:07 PM  

Smarticus: scalpod: I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.

Lone Star College is a gun free zone.  University of Texas is a gun free zone.  Luby's shooting is the reason we can now conceal carry in Texas.   You might want to check your own sense of history.


So they don't happen because they happened... Uh hunh. Roger that. Check!
 
2013-02-17 07:40:54 PM  

scalpod: So they don't happen because they happened... Uh hunh. Roger that. Check!


Going way back to the 'proud hunter', there was probably an unstated "Outside of 'gun free zones'(spit)..." in there.

From everything I've read, spree killers seem to prefer to attack in 'gun free' zones about 80-90% of the time.  The difference is that 90% is if you only count 'successful' spree killings, 80% if you also include ones where the killer was stopped before he got more than 3 people.
 
2013-02-17 10:09:47 PM  

scalpod: Smarticus: scalpod: I recently overheard a proud hunter tell another passenger after we landed at DFW that they were in the safest place in the nation. "There are no mass shootings in Texas because we shoot back."  That was a week before the Lone Star College incident.  To be safe you should also steer clear of campuses with bell towers, Luby's cafeteria and Texans with no memory or sense of history.

Lone Star College is a gun free zone.  University of Texas is a gun free zone.  Luby's shooting is the reason we can now conceal carry in Texas.   You might want to check your own sense of history.

So they don't happen because they happened... Uh hunh. Roger that. Check!


Yeah, it's fault for not qualifying his statement with "in the last 25 years" or something similar.  Since TX went shall issue, they've not had a repeat of Luby's or another Charles Whitman.
 
2013-02-17 11:38:01 PM  
I like how that worthless little POS who claimed he keyed cars with NRA or GOP bumper stickers never returned.
 
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