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2013-02-16 07:31:57 PM

jdmac: I still do not get liberals obsession with conservative's scrotums...


It wasn't liberals who dubbed members of the tea party "Teabaggers". They called themselves that first. We're just not letting 'em forget it, because it's a constant reminder of how out-of-touch and idiotic the Teabaggers are.
 
2013-02-16 07:32:39 PM

mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...


Rush Limbaugh is a Hispanic senator?  Weird.
 
2013-02-16 07:35:09 PM

steverockson: mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...

Rush Limbaugh is a Hispanic senator?  Weird.


Perhaps he meant David Vitter?  He's not hispanic either, but he is a prostitute lovin' Senator.
 
2013-02-16 07:36:40 PM

Paul Baumer: steverockson: mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...

Rush Limbaugh is a Hispanic senator?  Weird.

Perhaps he meant David Vitter?  He's not hispanic either, but he is a prostitute lovin' Senator.


It couldn't have been Vitter, no diapers were involved.
 
2013-02-16 07:37:25 PM
"I made promises to the people of Texas that I would come to Washington to shake up the status quo," he said in e-mailed answers to questions, in lieu of speaking. "That is what I intend to do, and it is what I have done in every way possible in the responsibilities that have been granted to me."

Being a smug obstructionist dick is not "shaking up the status quo." You haven't changed anything that matters--that is altering the status quo. You haven't rattled the existing power structure. You haven't swung the balance of power away from the center. You haven't even made things better for the people of Texas. All you've done is blocked the nomination of one person to the Cabinet, and in a way that was disgraceful over 50 years ago.

Don't pat yourself on the back just yet. I have a feeling the "status quo" is about to knock on your door, and your head.
 
2013-02-16 07:39:56 PM

Paul Baumer: steverockson: mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...

Rush Limbaugh is a Hispanic senator?  Weird.

Perhaps he meant David Vitter?  He's not hispanic either, but he is a prostitute lovin' Senator.


Hey don't forget James O'Keefe, he's a convicted felon! (well almost, I think he plead guilty to a misdemeanor to avoid felony charges).

Wait, he's still the paragon of truth, justice and the American way.
 
2013-02-16 07:49:35 PM
...Mr. Cruz...also questioned the commitment of Mr. Kerry and Mr. Hagel to the armed forces

How about that. I wonder what Mr. Cruz's commitment to the military looks like?

...though both served in Vietnam. Mr. Cruz has no record of military service.

Another Republican chicken hawk? This is my shocked face.
 
2013-02-16 07:53:21 PM

mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...



lil marco did the same thing that Jesse Jackson Jr. is being prosecuted for ( using campaign money for personal use).
JJJ faces fines and jail time,  lil marco the gop's best hope for POTUS scott free.
 
2013-02-16 07:53:53 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: ...Mr. Cruz...also questioned the commitment of Mr. Kerry and Mr. Hagel to the armed forces

How about that. I wonder what Mr. Cruz's commitment to the military looks like?

...though both served in Vietnam. Mr. Cruz has no record of military service.

Another Republican chicken hawk? This is my shocked face.


Not only that but Ted Cruz's father fought for Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution.  How do we know that Ted Cruz isn't a secret Communist?  I'm just asking questions.
 
2013-02-16 08:03:03 PM

mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...


If you had mentioned Jesse Jackson Jr. you'd have had a point.
 
2013-02-16 08:07:29 PM

doyner: mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...

If you had mentioned Jesse Jackson Jr. you'd have had a point.


Apart from him not being a Senator, and having already resigned?
 
2013-02-16 08:40:12 PM
Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said that some of the demands Mr. Cruz made of Mr. Hagel were "out of bounds, quite frankly."

Congratulations Teddy; even Lindsey Graham thinks you sound stupid. Let that sink in for a minute.
Strike that - let that sink in for a week or two, it takes time for things to filter through solid rock.
 
2013-02-16 08:42:34 PM
He's only doing what he was voted into office to do.

Which is what most Republicans were apparently voted into office to do.

Shiat all over everything possible, then blame the Democrats when everything is covered in shiat.
 
2013-02-16 08:43:32 PM
The extreme right wing of the Republican party is conducting an experiment to test whether being an asshole just to be an asshole is good policy.  It'll be interesting to see the outcome.
 
2013-02-16 08:45:44 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: I wouldn't be so sure about elections in 2014 and 2016 being good for democrats. Gerrymandering has given Republicans a significant advantage and I don't see them as being marginalized in any way. As for 2016, it'll be interesting to see who both parties pick as their nominees.


gerrymandering is indeed a potential problem but if today's "independents" are closet republicans they could vote D against some tea party fool. or just stay home which works as well.

as for 2016 IMO it won't be hillary but there are plenty of senators and governors to pick from.
 
2013-02-16 08:47:38 PM

cptjeff: The WindowLicker: cptjeff: I still occasionally use "shrub" in her honor.

That was one of the biggest things that bothered me about her.  It took discussion of his many and varied faults down to the level of 0bama...

I've never really been bothered by that, to be honest. I am bothered by the relentless stupidity, the racism driven conspiracy theories... but an insulting nickname? Those have a long history in American Politics, and they're just a part of the game.


Agree. 0bama is actually fairly clever, at least as clever as "Dubya" or "Bubba" and has the added bonus of being one of the few insulting nicknames for Obama that isn't racist.
 
2013-02-16 08:49:34 PM

Slutter McGee: quatchi: Ted Cruz is the perfect example of how the Republicans and especially their Teahadist subset are regressive obstructionists who are the incapable of rational governance.

You are right. Perhaps that is because we don't believe the solution to every problem is to pass another farking law.

Slutter McGee


What about a law against insipid Straw Men arguments?
Or signing your name at the end of your post, like a Class-A douchebag?
 
2013-02-16 08:50:30 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Old enough to know better: Let me be the first to say a hearty fark YOU TEXAS! for inflicting this douchebag on the rest of us.

Sadly, you can probably thank Texas Dems for this. A number of them voted for him over Dewhurst in the Republican primaries (they had to have a run off) thinking they were trolling the Republican establishment




You can thank the Republicans attempt at gerrymandering which the courts did not like, resulting in a delay of the primary election, allowing Cruz to gain in the polls, defeating Dewhurst.
 
2013-02-16 08:53:03 PM

Xyphoid: I like the addition of the fact that he is questioning the dedication of two men, who both served in the armed forces, to the military of the United States, while not having done any service himcruscrus


Cruz was born in Canada to the son of a Communist gorilla who assisted Castro in over throwing the Batista government. His father fled Cuba during Castros power consolidation.

To be fair, I am not sure Cruz could join the military.
 
2013-02-16 08:58:51 PM
Ted Cruz is the product of a belief in the right wing that anyone who pisses off libs must be OK.  It doesn't matter that they don't have any actual ideas or policies of their own: the libs hate them, so they're with 'em.
 
2013-02-16 09:00:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: "I made promises to the people of Texas that I would come to Washington to shake up the status quo," he said in e-mailed answers to questions, in lieu of speaking. "That is what I intend to do, and it is what I have done in every way possible in the responsibilities that have been granted to me."

Being a smug obstructionist dick is not "shaking up the status quo." You haven't changed anything that matters--that is altering the status quo. You haven't rattled the existing power structure. You haven't swung the balance of power away from the center. You haven't even made things better for the people of Texas. All you've done is blocked the nomination of one person to the Cabinet, and in a way that was disgraceful over 50 years ago.

Don't pat yourself on the back just yet. I have a feeling the "status quo" is about to knock on your door, and your head.


Five bucks says he goes through his entire term without writing a single bill.
 
2013-02-16 09:12:45 PM

cptjeff: doyner: mark12A: [cdn.pjmedia.com image 600x419]
Yeah, well, you need something to distract the rubes from real asshole senators...

If you had mentioned Jesse Jackson Jr. you'd have had a point.

Apart from him not being a Senator, and having already resigned?


No, just the "Both sides are bad so vote Republican" angle.
 
2013-02-16 10:00:08 PM

Xyphoid: I like the addition of the fact that he is questioning the dedication of two men, who both served in the armed forces, to the military of the United States, while not having done any service himself.


That is how I feel about DHS targeting, as suspicious, returning military persons.
 
2013-02-16 10:24:47 PM
I love that some republicans are getting irritated by this guy. Suck it up, republitards, this is the result of everything you've done for the past four years. This is the bed you made.
 
2013-02-16 10:44:08 PM
Making an enemy of the man who will soon be running the Pentagon is probably not the smart move for Texas, particularly in advance of what may be major cutbacks in military spending necessitated by sequestration.
 
2013-02-16 11:11:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Gyrfalcon: "I made promises to the people of Texas that I would come to Washington to shake up the status quo," he said in e-mailed answers to questions, in lieu of speaking. "That is what I intend to do, and it is what I have done in every way possible in the responsibilities that have been granted to me."

Being a smug obstructionist dick is not "shaking up the status quo." You haven't changed anything that matters--that is altering the status quo. You haven't rattled the existing power structure. You haven't swung the balance of power away from the center. You haven't even made things better for the people of Texas. All you've done is blocked the nomination of one person to the Cabinet, and in a way that was disgraceful over 50 years ago.

Don't pat yourself on the back just yet. I have a feeling the "status quo" is about to knock on your door, and your head.

Five bucks says he goes through his entire term without writing a single bill.


Not writing bills isn't a big deal if you provide valuable work in committee to markup bills that come through, or do your oversight work well, or work well with federal agencies to smooth things over for constituents, or whatever else. The vast majority of bills, especially ones from the minority, never even come close to going anywhere, so I could forgive some members for not trying. Sometimes they serve to provide a chance to let other members know about an issue and start the ball rolling on an idea to fix it somewhere down the line, but they're usually more about PR, so you can tell the folks at home you're doing something.

You can provide plenty of valuable work without writing bills. I'm not saying Cruz is the type that will, in fact I would bet on the opposite, but bills written is a poor metric.
 
2013-02-16 11:20:23 PM
Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.
 
2013-02-16 11:35:44 PM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


Of course. That's why "McCarthyism" today is synonymous with honor, integrity, and truth.
 
2013-02-16 11:43:19 PM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-02-17 12:05:02 AM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


I don't think anyone has forgotten just how extremely to the right McCarthy was.

He's the model of why we should ignore concerned, self-righteous Republicans that just want you to submit to their will and whims so they can protect us from scary things.
 
2013-02-17 01:08:35 AM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


Fark has no font large enough to properly express the [citation needed] of that statement.
 
2013-02-17 01:22:30 AM
Masterful troll is masterful.
 
2013-02-17 01:32:41 AM

LordJiro: cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.

Fark has no font large enough to properly express the [citation needed] of that statement.


McCarthy was "right" in the sense that there were some Soviet agents in the US government at the time he was running around waving his list.

However, they weren't in the places he was looking, nor among the people he was looking at; and the way he was looking for them made their jobs much much easier by diverting attention away from them and onto people more visible. So he was correct in his assertions there were Soviet agents in the US government, in the same way it would be correct to say "There are terrorists in the US today." In fact, an argument could be made that by attracting attention away from the REAL Soviet spies by making so much noise, McCarthy actually aided the Reds more than the spies themselves.
 
2013-02-17 01:33:43 AM

LordJiro: cabbyman: derp

Fark has no font large enough to properly express the [citation needed] of that statement.


That's why I always go with this:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-17 01:48:35 AM
What Chuck Hagel should say in response (NSFW language): Link
 
2013-02-17 02:37:47 AM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


That you, Bill Krystol?  Wrong as always.
 
2013-02-17 04:20:26 AM

Mentat: "All I can say is that the appropriate way to treat Senator Hagel is to be as tough as you want to be, but don't be disrespectful or malign his character," Mr. McCain said in an interview.

Oh fark you, asshole.


McCain has certainly used those words on the record.
 
2013-02-17 07:26:53 AM
Thanks again, Texas!
 
2013-02-17 08:32:02 AM
Cruz is abusing his power of office and making people testify under oath about their political associations in front of Congress?
 
2013-02-17 08:40:51 AM

badhatharry: Cruz is abusing his power of office and making people testify under oath about their political associations in front of Congress?


"When did you stop working for the North Koreans" is not a valid question to ask somebody who was a soldier in Vietnam and earned two Purple Hearts during that time. Especially when the person asking that question is a puny little wuss who didn't join the military.
 
2013-02-17 09:44:22 AM

Serious Black: badhatharry: Cruz is abusing his power of office and making people testify under oath about their political associations in front of Congress?

"When did you stop working for the North Koreans" is not a valid question to ask somebody who was a soldier in Vietnam and earned two Purple Hearts during that time. Especially when the person asking that question is a puny little wuss who didn't join the military.


He accused him of hiding who paid for a speech.  "Who paid you?" is a valid question at a confirmation hearing. We could have done without the speculation but he it was clearly just speculation to make a point. It could have been Saudi Arabia, it could have been North Korea,....we don't know.

That is not the same as,"I have proof in my pocket that you worked for the North Koreans."
 
2013-02-17 09:56:01 AM

WTF Indeed: But unlike the McCarthy hearings, the Teabagger Witchhunt will only target republicans they don't like and reinforce the public image of the Republican party as a regressive. In the words of the President, please proceed, Senator.


You don't supporse there's any chance that something like this can spin out of control and escape its containment chamber, do you?
 
2013-02-17 10:04:53 AM

badhatharry: Serious Black: badhatharry: Cruz is abusing his power of office and making people testify under oath about their political associations in front of Congress?

"When did you stop working for the North Koreans" is not a valid question to ask somebody who was a soldier in Vietnam and earned two Purple Hearts during that time. Especially when the person asking that question is a puny little wuss who didn't join the military.

He accused him of hiding who paid for a speech.  "Who paid you?" is a valid question at a confirmation hearing. We could have done without the speculation but he it was clearly just speculation to make a point. It could have been Saudi Arabia, it could have been North Korea,....we don't know.

That is not the same as,"I have proof in my pocket that you worked for the North Koreans."


Sure, "Who paid you" would have been more valid. But let's be honest here; the "I'm just asking questions" defense is bullshiat. We all know that he wasn't trying to figure out if he worked for North Korea. The real answer is irrelevant because he didn't care about the answer. Teddy Boy directly challenged the patriotism of a guy that was injured in war TWICE while in service of the nation, who served his fellow military members as the deputy administrator of the VA, and who had two terms of experience on the Committee of Foriegn Relations by saying he worked for Kim Jong-il.
 
2013-02-17 10:07:20 AM
The racists on the left are out in force. How dare an American of latino heritage speak his mnd? Es[ecially a Senator!. I have heard nothing but positive, patriotic words from his bilingual mouth. You liberals like minorities who stay on the planation or the hacienda and take marching orders from the idiots who earn their living trying to banrupt America.

Don't let the them silence you Senator Cruz. You are one of only 100 EQUAL Senators. I want to hear your voice on every issue.

That sound you hear is the breaking of the liberal chains which keep blacks and hispanics working at low wages for rich liberals. They thiink you're good enough to clean their mansions, but not to be a proud, loud Senator. Keep up the good work, Senator Cruz! You make all true Americans proud.
 
2013-02-17 10:13:01 AM

Mrtraveler01: The racists on the left are out in force. How dare an American of latino heritage speak his mnd? Es[ecially a Senator!. I have heard nothing but positive, patriotic words from his bilingual mouth. You liberals like minorities who stay on the planation or the hacienda and take marching orders from the idiots who earn their living trying to banrupt America.

Don't let the them silence you Senator Cruz. You are one of only 100 EQUAL Senators. I want to hear your voice on every issue.

That sound you hear is the breaking of the liberal chains which keep blacks and hispanics working at low wages for rich liberals. They thiink you're good enough to clean their mansions, but not to be a proud, loud Senator. Keep up the good work, Senator Cruz! You make all true Americans proud.


James Fallows made a way-too-early prediction that 2016 would be Clinton v. Cruz. I'd think there's a chance of a Reaganesque crushing by Hilary in that scenario, especially if Teddy Boy keeps being a total wingnut.

/I think that's what you're hoping for
 
2013-02-17 10:18:35 AM
Almost half of Ted Cruz' financial support came from outside of Texas.

Don't blame Texas. Cruz is just another Republican triple-decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich topped with arsenic sauce. He's doing what he is paid to do: delay governance so meaningful tasks get sidelined and his employers stay rich.
 
2013-02-17 10:33:55 AM

cabbyman: Most people forget that in the end McCarthy was right.


Bravo, sir.

As a non-American, your comment is exactly the kind of retarded derp that makes US politics so consistently fascinating. It's like going to the circus, if the circus was constantly railing against acting decently to your fellow human beings.

As dozens of clowns pour out of a tiny car they're shouting to the assembled crowd about how universal healthcare is evil, calling Obama a socialist and McCarthy a hero. And calling for war with Iran.

You GOP-voting Americans never, ever fail to entertain.

You're always wrong about everything. You idiots even want to teach creationism in schools. It's absolutely friggin' adorable.
 
2013-02-17 10:36:07 AM
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/My feeling on Joe McCarthy.
 
2013-02-17 10:40:15 AM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: The racists on the left are out in force. How dare an American of latino heritage speak his mnd? Es[ecially a Senator!. I have heard nothing but positive, patriotic words from his bilingual mouth. You liberals like minorities who stay on the planation or the hacienda and take marching orders from the idiots who earn their living trying to banrupt America.

Don't let the them silence you Senator Cruz. You are one of only 100 EQUAL Senators. I want to hear your voice on every issue.

That sound you hear is the breaking of the liberal chains which keep blacks and hispanics working at low wages for rich liberals. They thiink you're good enough to clean their mansions, but not to be a proud, loud Senator. Keep up the good work, Senator Cruz! You make all true Americans proud.

James Fallows made a way-too-early prediction that 2016 would be Clinton v. Cruz. I'd think there's a chance of a Reaganesque crushing by Hilary in that scenario, especially if Teddy Boy keeps being a total wingnut.

/I think that's what you're hoping for


It definitely would speed up the decay of the Grand Ole Party if that did actually happen.

But what many forget to remember is that Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother. Unless they change the law to where he would be elligible for president (which would be hilarious after all the birth certificate nonsense Obama put up with), he can't be president.

But some of those comments on the NY Times website...yikes. I still can't figure out how people can praise Joe McCarthy. I thought he was an international laughing stock.
 
2013-02-17 10:46:01 AM

Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: The racists on the left are out in force. How dare an American of latino heritage speak his mnd? Es[ecially a Senator!. I have heard nothing but positive, patriotic words from his bilingual mouth. You liberals like minorities who stay on the planation or the hacienda and take marching orders from the idiots who earn their living trying to banrupt America.

Don't let the them silence you Senator Cruz. You are one of only 100 EQUAL Senators. I want to hear your voice on every issue.

That sound you hear is the breaking of the liberal chains which keep blacks and hispanics working at low wages for rich liberals. They thiink you're good enough to clean their mansions, but not to be a proud, loud Senator. Keep up the good work, Senator Cruz! You make all true Americans proud.

James Fallows made a way-too-early prediction that 2016 would be Clinton v. Cruz. I'd think there's a chance of a Reaganesque crushing by Hilary in that scenario, especially if Teddy Boy keeps being a total wingnut.

/I think that's what you're hoping for

It definitely would speed up the decay of the Grand Ole Party if that did actually happen.

But what many forget to remember is that Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother. Unless they change the law to where he would be elligible for president (which would be hilarious after all the birth certificate nonsense Obama put up with), he can't be president.

But some of those comments on the NY Times website...yikes. I still can't figure out how people can praise Joe McCarthy. I thought he was an international laughing stock.


Doesn't that make him a natural-born citizen?

I think him running after all the WHAR BIRF CERTIFICIT WHAR bullshiat would be absolutely hilarious. You could probably cook a steak on their heads with all the heat the cognitive dissonance would cause.
 
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