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(Boston Herald)   Massachusetts spent $15,450 to make sure politicians had clear parking spaces two days before the rest of Boston   (bostonherald.com) divider line 50
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2013-02-16 10:02:50 AM
quit whining citizen

politicians deserve better than you, just ask nancy girl.
 
2013-02-16 10:12:28 AM
Find out who made the call to push this, confront them and pluck their eye out.
 
2013-02-16 10:42:25 AM
Um aren't a lot of those people on emergency planning commissions and considered "essential" workers? How do you people get so worked up over $15,000 being spent to ensure the smooth functioning of government in a time of crises? 

I'm sorry your little alley home to your $1,000,000 condo on Beacon Hill wasn't a top priority but suck it up FFS.
 
2013-02-16 10:42:39 AM
Did they end up paying MORE to clear those spaces? That army of plows was going to have to work anyway and those spaces were going to have to be cleared eventually. It's disingenuous to cite a cost as if it wouldn't ever have to be paid otherwise.
 
2013-02-16 11:00:31 AM

Ambivalence: It's disingenuous


Nope, just the Boston Herald.
 
2013-02-16 11:05:17 AM
Those stupid liberal politicians. When they go to restaurants they should bring their brown paper bags with them. When the toilets backup in the statehouse, they should have to fix the problems themselves.

Stupid libs.
 
2013-02-16 11:32:18 AM

NewportBarGuy: Ambivalence: It's disingenuous

Nope, just the Boston Herald.


You're both right.

TBH, the main problem I have with plowing is that it stopped.  Half the side streets in Fall River are still one-way because of it, and anywhere where a tree blocked any part of the road, I've yet to see a plow go by afterwards and clear said spot in the road.  It's like they're asking for front-end collisions or something.

\how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:38 AM
It costs a billion-kajillion for obama to travel to Hawaii. It's true I saw it on Fox.
 
2013-02-16 12:05:49 PM
When it comes to anything regarding roads, anything at all, Mass farks it up.

If there are two fundamental laws of nature it is that 1) we all will die and 2) the roads you drive on in MA are gonna eventually destroy your inner child
 
2013-02-16 12:06:12 PM

FriarReb98: \how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me.


To be fair... I wouldn't exactly call Fall River a "world power." heh....

I imagine it's the same here. Our towns were built a long time ago and the streets are either narrow or FUBAR anyway. I'm amazed my tiny side street gets plowed at all. Though, my neighbor must hate it because they smash the snow through his fence every year.

Last summer, for some reason, my entire street was redone and new sidewalks were put in. No one has any idea why. I love it. However, because everyone parks on the damn street, it's still half plowed and basically one-way.

It's been like this for at least as long as I can remember and I don't see that changing anytime soon. They'd need to spend a lot more money and focus time on planning stuff out which they just aren't going to do.

Few city governments are capable of planning a child's birthday, let alone handling large-scale planning and implementation of anything.
 
2013-02-16 12:46:02 PM

FriarReb98: TBH, the main problem I have with plowing is that it stopped. Half the side streets in Fall River are still one-way because of it, and anywhere where a tree blocked any part of the road, I've yet to see a plow go by afterwards and clear said spot in the road. It's like they're asking for front-end collisions or something.

\how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me


I can see the Herald's take if they plowed out Fall River now: "Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, spent $1 million of our tax payer dollars to ensure the state has an ample supply of heroin.  I hear the state paid $20,000 just to make sure the line from the docks to the highway was the first cleared"

/probably too regoinal of a joke, but whatever
 
2013-02-16 02:43:08 PM

SnakeLee: "Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, spent $1 million of our tax payer dollars to ensure the state has an ample supply of heroin.


Oh man... I laughed hard at that. I expect to see it after this next storm.
 
2013-02-16 03:14:37 PM

FriarReb98: how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me.


Because being a world power means going after other countries.  It has nothing to do with keeping your own running.

And if that seems disingenuous or misleading, then I'd say the USSR worked the same way.
 
2013-02-16 03:29:59 PM
Politicians' jobs are more important to society than whatever drudgery you call a "job", submittard.

$15k is well worth not losting two extra days of government function. You're upset that President Obama's family gets secret service protection and you got sentenced to community service for trying to dig a moat around your trailer.
 
2013-02-16 03:30:20 PM
Don't know if this is still true, but years ago I heard that National Airport near DC has 535 parking spots permanently reserved, one per Congresscritter.
 
2013-02-16 03:31:25 PM

SnakeLee: FriarReb98: TBH, the main problem I have with plowing is that it stopped. Half the side streets in Fall River are still one-way because of it, and anywhere where a tree blocked any part of the road, I've yet to see a plow go by afterwards and clear said spot in the road. It's like they're asking for front-end collisions or something.

\how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me

I can see the Herald's take if they plowed out Fall River now: "Gov. Deval Patrick, who is black, spent $1 million of our tax payer dollars to ensure the state has an ample supply of heroin.  I hear the state paid $20,000 just to make sure the line from the docks to the highway was the first cleared"

/probably too regoinal of a joke, but whatever


Fantastic!
 
kab
2013-02-16 03:36:00 PM

super_grass: Politicians' jobs are more important to society than whatever drudgery you call a "job", submittard.

$15k is well worth not losting two extra days of government function. You're upset that President Obama's family gets secret service protection and you got sentenced to community service for trying to dig a moat around your trailer.


Because I'm quite sure those super important politicians were planning to work on Sunday.
 
2013-02-16 03:45:08 PM
The statehouse has no connection to the city of Boston.  Why don't we start complaining that the parking lot at the Walmart in Quincy was cleared before 2nd street in Southie?

Herald isn't even a good enough rag to wipe your ass with.

Now to a real question:  It seemed like even at the height of the cleanup effort there were much less plows available.  With the past years of very mild winters, and our increasing likelihood of getting only a few major storms a winter, rather than a constant slow slog over a winter season, are less people finding it less profitable to plow?  Is it getting harder to contract out and get more people on the job to clear roads?  Or was there a cutback in the budget?

Anyone know?
 
2013-02-16 03:46:26 PM
And I bet the hospitals and other emergency service roadways got preferential treatment as well!

/had they been the politician's own private driveways and sidewalks, maybe it'd be a little weird.
 
2013-02-16 03:47:10 PM

kab: super_grass: Politicians' jobs are more important to society than whatever drudgery you call a "job", submittard.

$15k is well worth not losting two extra days of government function. You're upset that President Obama's family gets secret service protection and you got sentenced to community service for trying to dig a moat around your trailer.

Because I'm quite sure those super important politicians were planning to work on Sunday.


You need to clear the parking lots sunday so they can get to work monday.

And some people are just more important to others.  We're not all equals, get over it. The pecking order list goes:

President Obama
Members of Congress, minus the Teahadists
Leaders of Fortune 500 companies
Supreme Court, sans Scalia
A list celebrities
TV Journalists, minus FAUX SNOOX
B+ list celebrity
average person
Teatardlicans
Faux Newz anchorz
You
 
2013-02-16 03:50:52 PM
i can understand the outrage/anger as unless these guys were supposed to be there to mange the storm clean up their parking places could have waited.
 
2013-02-16 04:08:05 PM
This is just more whiny biatching from people who live to cry about things. The Boston area got dumped with 2 1/2 feet of snow and the city is somehow expected to have it all cleaned up within a few hours.

cman: When it comes to anything regarding roads, anything at all, Mass farks it up.

If there are two fundamental laws of nature it is that 1) we all will die and 2) the roads you drive on in MA are gonna eventually destroy your inner child


My inner child is pretty much a butthole and probably deserves a painful death.
 
2013-02-16 04:13:22 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Don't know if this is still true, but years ago I heard that National Airport near DC has 535 parking spots permanently reserved, one per Congresscritter.


Wouldn't surprise me a bit, I know the local airport at home (GSO) has spots reserved for both US Senators and all of the local US Reps. They get special license plates too, with the outline of the state and their position stamped inside it where the number would be.

In other news, the 535 people who make the laws that govern our nation are actually a little bit more important than you or I.
 
2013-02-16 04:13:50 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Don't know if this is still true, but years ago I heard that National Airport near DC has 535 parking spots permanently reserved, one per Congresscritter.


Eh, true or not, you know what?  I'm ok with it, even for the clowns I didn't vote for.

It's not like they're hereditary...they lose re-election, they lose the spot.
 
2013-02-16 04:17:56 PM

PunGent: JohnAnnArbor: Don't know if this is still true, but years ago I heard that National Airport near DC has 535 parking spots permanently reserved, one per Congresscritter.

Eh, true or not, you know what?  I'm ok with it, even for the clowns I didn't vote for.

It's not like they're hereditary...they lose re-election, they lose the spot.


Actually, while my last post was in process, I looked it up, but didn't bother incorporating it. Both National and Dulles reserve spots, around 90 each, and they guarantee free parking. However, it's a benefit the airports offer, not something the federal government pays for. Airlines do similar things- they can reserve spots on any flight, but only pay for the ones they use, and there's a dedicated reservation line for Members (or rather, their schedulers) to use.
 
SN
2013-02-16 04:23:59 PM
The next time they want to hand out a cool 15 grand to make busy with a shovel for some politico parking spaces, they need only call me.

/hey, at least it's honest work~
 
2013-02-16 04:28:08 PM
at least LIveshot is gone... thats worth 15k
 
2013-02-16 04:28:16 PM

SN: The next time they want to hand out a cool 15 grand to make busy with a shovel for some politico parking spaces, they need only call me.

/hey, at least it's honest work~


I was reading Tip O'Neill's book recently- during his days in the Massachusetts legislature, that's exactly what happened. Each winter, each lawmaker was given a number of tickets to give out to constituents that allowed them to take jobs shoveling snow for the state. So he'd hold a few back to use as political favors, and hand the rest out to guys lined up outside his door, just like every other member.

Summer construction work, each member got 20 jobs. He and a friend double spaced their lists, and doubled that number after they were signed and approved.
 
2013-02-16 04:28:34 PM

johnryan51: It costs a billion-kajillion for obama to travel to Hawaii. It's true I saw it on Fox.


Actually he's in Florida playing golf. A private plane got forced down (to land) because it was flying too close.
 
2013-02-16 04:29:31 PM
My employer uses the same private contractor for landscaping, etc. services.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
 
SN
2013-02-16 04:41:41 PM
cptjeff:
I was reading Tip O'Neill's book recently- during his days in the Massachusetts legislature, that's exactly what happened. Each winter, each lawmaker was given a number of tickets to give out to constituents that allowed them to take jobs shoveling snow for the state. So he'd hold a few back to use as political favors, and hand the rest out to guys lined up outside his door, just like every other member.

Summer construction work, each member got 20 jobs. He and a friend double spaced their lists, and doubled that number after they were signed and approved.


Er... wait, so he did was put more people to work through crafty double spacing, resulting in more people working and getting paid?  If so, then bravo to the gent.

I suppose the article would be more rational if it was written better.  Who knows, that 15k could have been spent two days later for the same thing...

Then again, correctly written articles don't make up for a slow news day, now do they.
 
2013-02-16 04:50:42 PM

FriarReb98: NewportBarGuy: Ambivalence: It's disingenuous

Nope, just the Boston Herald.

You're both right.

TBH, the main problem I have with plowing is that it stopped.  Half the side streets in Fall River are still one-way because of it, and anywhere where a tree blocked any part of the road, I've yet to see a plow go by afterwards and clear said spot in the road.  It's like they're asking for front-end collisions or something.

\how we can be a world power and not understand how to clean up after a weather event is beyond me.


No one that works for city govt cares about your safety.  They care about not getting sued or fired, or both.  And they know you aren't mobilizing any class action to hold them accountable for putting you and your neighbors at risk because you refer to a storm as a 'weather event'.  It turns out that feminized. metrosexual men are super easy to govern!  But hey!  I heard dancing with the stars was on after cake boss, so at least there's that.  What were you upset about again?
 
SN
2013-02-16 04:54:46 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: No one that works for city govt cares about your safety.  They care about not getting sued or fired, or both.  And they know you aren't mobilizing any class action to hold them accountable for putting you and your neighbors at risk because you refer to a storm as a 'weather event'.  It turns out that feminized. metrosexual men are super easy to govern!  But hey!  I heard dancing with the stars was on after cake boss, so at least there's that.  What were you upset about again?


Sadly as a former city employee I can vouch for the validity of this statement.

/ooh, television!
 
2013-02-16 04:55:55 PM
and yall keep voting Democrat....
 
2013-02-16 04:57:54 PM

SN: Er... wait, so he did was put more people to work through crafty double spacing, resulting in more people working and getting paid? If so, then bravo to the gent.


Yup. And all constituents and supporters of his.
 
2013-02-16 05:42:42 PM
You wanna know what kind of paper the Boston Herald is? Read the comments. They make Fox News look like NPR.
 
2013-02-16 05:56:59 PM
I like how this article (and the headline here on Fark) focus on the $$$ spent.  Snow removal isn't free.   Getting it done before the rest the city, sure you've got a beef there.  If it cost more to get it done first, yeah, then focus on the money.

But let's not pretend this cost taxpayers $15k+ just because this was a state lawmaker's lot.
 
2013-02-16 06:06:47 PM

grimlock1972: i can understand the outrage/anger as unless these guys were supposed to be there to mange the storm clean up their parking places could have waited.


Anybody needed for the storm, including the fat lady with the fan, was in the MEMA bunker in Framingham.  Nobody needed to be in at the Statehouse on Beacon Hill in Boston.  I find it more interesting that they relied on private contractors to plow them out.  I thought that the government was always better at providing services.

Not a big Deval Patrick fan, but have to give him credit for banning driving and thereby letting the plow drivers do their jobs.  Highways, including the median and shoulders were completely clear of snow by Sunday morning.
 
2013-02-16 06:09:34 PM
I say Jeeves, what is that disturbing racket?
Sir, it is the peasants grumbling again, Sir. Shall I close the window, Sir?
Yes, of course, and then bring me my pipe and slippers.
 
2013-02-16 06:11:25 PM

itsfullofstars: I like how this article (and the headline here on Fark) focus on the $$$ spent.  Snow removal isn't free.   Getting it done before the rest the city, sure you've got a beef there.  If it cost more to get it done first, yeah, then focus on the money.

But let's not pretend this cost taxpayers $15k+ just because this was a state lawmaker's lot.


You sometimes see people talking about how it costs $2 million a day or something for each day congress is in session, dividing the annual appropriation for running congress by the number of days in session. Of course, that's ignoring the fact that that's pretty much entirely staffer salaries (who work regardless of if congress is in session or not), faculties maintenance (you know, preserving a national treasure like the Capitol), paying the US Capitol police, whose job it is to keep people from taking lots of guns and opening up on tour groups and to keep terrorists from planting a bomb in the seat of American democracy, so on and so forth. Those costs just don't change with the specified condition of whether Congress is in session or not.

It's bullshait accounting designed to create an outrage over nothing. The Mass. Government gets its parking spots cleared early you say? You mean the body responsible for coordinating the cleanup from this snowstorm has to work smoothly as they oversee that task, you say? The horror! I bet the clear out the parking lots for fire departments early too!
 
2013-02-16 06:16:43 PM

beefoe: Anybody needed for the storm, including the fat lady with the fan, was in the MEMA bunker in Framingham.


So there's absolutely no possibility a top level decision making body could ever have been needed in the event of a natural disaster. That must be why they never rush Congress into session in the event of a major national event to enact a relief bill that reassigns authority or funds emergency projects or anything like that, right?

Seriously, the people who make the laws in your state are more important than you. Get over it.
 
2013-02-16 06:39:59 PM
" ... mumble,mumble, mumble, mumble, ... Thomas Menino ...  mumble, mumble, mumble, ... "
 
2013-02-16 06:53:28 PM

cptjeff: The horror! I bet the clear out the parking lots for fire departments early too!


And the hospitals.  I bet those hospitals kept their parking lots clear during the entire storm, especially those emergency entrances.  Those high and mighty entitled doctors and ambulance drivers.
 
2013-02-16 07:17:12 PM
So, when Clinton held up LAX for hours to get a haircut, what was the vital national interest that was being addressed?

Its very healthy to be skeptical of claims that politicians and government deserve special perks.

Like my scholl district has a policy of putting the children of district employees ahead in line for school choice enrollement.

Why should they get a special privilege from being employed by the public school district? And its also pretty funny when their kids all go to the best school in the district and not where their parents teach/custode/administer.
 
2013-02-16 08:51:37 PM

Cobataiwan: Like my scholl district


Know how many people are going to listen to you?

None.
 
2013-02-16 10:42:23 PM

Clemkadidlefark: " ... mumble,mumble, mumble, mumble, ... Thomas Menino ...  mumble, mumble, mumble, ... "


I hear what you did there...
 
2013-02-17 02:23:10 AM

beefoe: I find it more interesting that they relied on private contractors to plow them out.  I thought that the government was always better at providing services.


I'm not positive about this, but from what I understand, my city does too. The problem is that snow removal is not something that is easy to deal with well, because it snows and you suddenly have a ton of work that has to be done on very short order, then you do it, then you're done for a bit until the next snow. The city can get around some of that by shifting job assignments, but the number of people that should be out on the streets after a snow is more than the city wants to pay for in general. But there are private companies that do snow removal for parking lots at malls and apartment complexes and whatnot that can help fill that gap -- the city hires them to do some snow removal on city streets, then they go and do their private work. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement -- the city doesn't have to keep hiring and firing people, and the private companies get more work.

Note that city taxes are still paying for the contractors. :-)

Cobataiwan: Like my scholl district has a policy of putting the children of district employees ahead in line for school choice enrollement.


I can understand why you're upset.
 
2013-02-17 05:29:40 AM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....


Ya, they're pretty feckless.

You have a better alternative?

No, not the Republicans...we've tried them.

They REALLY suck.
 
2013-02-17 01:28:42 PM

itsfullofstars: I like how this article (and the headline here on Fark) focus on the $$$ spent.  Snow removal isn't free.   Getting it done before the rest the city, sure you've got a beef there.  If it cost more to get it done first, yeah, then focus on the money.

But let's not pretend this cost taxpayers $15k+ just because this was a state lawmaker's lot.


The Statehouse the the Massachusetts legislature.  Has ZERO to do with the city government.  They hired private contractors, and had their property managed.

Where's the beef?
 
2013-02-17 01:34:11 PM
Oh, and if Republicans want to know why they can't get elected anymore in MA, well this is why.  In a State that prides itself on it's civic history and higher education, you have idiots making the political arguments of Cletus in Georgia, and their networks repeating them in their profitable echo chambers.

It might fly down below the Mason Dixon, but not up here.  It's why Brown lost and ruined his image after running the type of campaign needed in the special previously.

You live by Howie Carr, you die by Howie Carr.  Then you get to sit in irrelevance and biatch, biatch, biatch.  MA GOP, butthurt forever!

If only there were more conservative wargarble.
 
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