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2013-02-16 05:22:25 PM  
9 votes:

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.


Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.
2013-02-16 05:03:18 PM  
9 votes:
Oh, I'm sorry, Orson, I thought people had a right to express disagreement, and decide for themselves what they want to spend their money on.

F*ck off Card, you hack.
2013-02-16 06:08:03 PM  
8 votes:
I'm gay and I've bought, read, and enjoyed every Ender-series book. I knew he was conservative and Mormon but didn't know he was an active bigot. I also don't particularly care. I can't retroactively not enjoy his writing, and his side's going to lose whether I buy his books or not. He's wrong, and in a couple of generations virtually everyone will agree he's wrong.
2013-02-16 05:24:26 PM  
6 votes:

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.


I don't see gays trying to turn everyone into raging homosexuals.  the evangelical christians tho...they sure do wanna impose their beliefs on the rest of this country.
2013-02-16 06:31:53 PM  
5 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.


I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.  Outside of higher-up leadership, I've often heard the message of "God is good.  Therefore, if people seek to do good, they seek God, therefore they are good."  It's part of why Catholicism says that Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Zoroastrian... whatever - so long as you are a good person you're going to heaven.
I understand that many people who claim to be Christian are out there hating on people, but don't be just as bad as them and say that every Christian is evil.  You just make it harder for us reasonable folk in the mix to get any change done, because you enable their zeal and put them on the defensive.

I don't wanna turn this into a religious debate because this should be about Orson Scott Card being a douchebag.  Please don't try to make it a religious thing (though I know he is warping religion to fit his bigotry) when we have plenty of things in common in hating this guy's douchebaggery.  Let's meet in the middle and hold hands while we give him the finger.
2013-02-16 09:43:45 PM  
4 votes:
A lot of Sci-Fi authors have some pretty extreme views. Dan Simmons wrote a SciFi novel (Flashback) which was a long polemic against Democrats and Greens. Neal Ascher abuses anyone who agrees with AGW as a deluded sheep. Heinlein was a proponent of Ayn Rand.

If you want to know why so many Sci Fi authors skew conservative, look at the recent reddit thread on "which SciFi books should you start with" and people overwhelmingly choose Heinlein's more conservative libertarian stuff as a starting point. The people that are writing SciFi now didn't grow up on stuff like Joe Haldeman. Even Asimov skewed conservative (ask Newt Gingrich what his favorite novel is - he's claimed that much of his political philosophy was influenced by reading Asimov's Foundation trilogy). Sci Fi authors skew conservative because SciFi itself (socially) skews conservative.

If you look at the majority of Sci Fi - it's heroic heterosexual men saving stuff (The galaxy, the planet). When Richard K Morgan (Takashi Kovachs books) wrote a gay character who banged dudes the way that his male leads in earlier novels banged women, readers freaked the fark out. Posit Kirk banging all the green chicks he can lay his hands on, but how many bestselling scifi novels have a gay lead?

Social Media simply allows us to see more of an authors views than we normally would have.

If you like an author - be really careful about finding out more about their views. Chances are you'll find them very disappointing.
2013-02-16 05:43:54 PM  
4 votes:

chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.



The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.
2013-02-16 05:34:19 PM  
4 votes:

HempHead: he Enders Game movie comes out in December.


If I do end up watching it I'll take extra special care to make sure I do so in a way that does not profit Card.

Fark that jackhole.
2013-02-16 05:20:28 PM  
4 votes:
Wow, this guy is destroying his reputation right as his most well known book is about to go mainstream (with the film and all). What a schmuck.
2013-02-16 08:45:37 PM  
3 votes:
I'm bisexual and OSC won't get another farking dollar from me.

That being said, Ender's Game is an extremely good book, and one I think everyone should actually read (yes, it's that good.) Your local library probably has a copy.

Shame too. I won't steal simply to circumvent this asshat, but I'd love to have an ebook copy. But again, won't give that farker another dime.

There's plenty of people I don't personally agree with that I do financially support (via buying books). I own books that I don't agree with (Hello KJV of the bible on my kindle). But I'll be damned if I give a farking penny of my hard earned money to some asshat who clearly hates people like me, and will do whatever he can to prevent equal rights. fark that noise. What am I, stupid?

And fark you too NOM, take the cock out of your mouth.
2013-02-16 07:29:40 PM  
3 votes:

SaltyDonnie: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.

Animals often eat each other, thier own young, and thier own shiat. So what's your point?

I can stick a screwdriver in an electric socket, but that's not what either is used for. So that action doesn't equal plugging in a lamp.


"It's not natural!" "Here's evidence that it is, in fact, natural" "WELL ANIMALS DO HORRIBLE THINGS DOES THAT MAKE THEM OK HOMOSEXUALITY IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE AND CANNIBALISM!11"

Keep moving those goalposts, homophobes. The world will leave you in the dust with the rest of the bigots.
2013-02-16 06:41:16 PM  
3 votes:
I know I'll get yelled at on Fark for saying this, but the only reason Orson Scott Card is known at all is because he wrote a masturbatory fantasy for a bunch of nerds who played way too many video games and wanted vindication for all the years of getting their heads stuffed in toilets. Those people bought his books in hardcover.

His writing is crap.
2013-02-16 05:45:19 PM  
3 votes:

Even With A Chainsaw: I've never read Ender's Game, buy my SIL gave me Pathfinder to read.  I thought it was pretty predictable, but interesting.  I didn't get any overt attempts politicizing his writing.

Though now that I've found all this nonsense out about him, I'm not so inclined to read the sequel.


Order is very important in reading literature.  You should have started by reading Ender's Game and then quit.
2013-02-16 05:34:17 PM  
3 votes:

1000 Ways to Dye: His Homecoming series was cool. Except for the last book. It made absolutely no sense.
None.
Finishing an otherwise good series with a story as incomprehensible as "Earthborn" is reason enough for him to stop writing.


That's because that series was literally the Book of Mormon played out in space. From character names to plot resolutions.
2013-02-16 05:30:01 PM  
3 votes:
How did "standing up for traditional marriage" morph into "no gay marriage?" In what way does same-sex marriage prevent people from having "traditional" (WTH that is) marriages?

I think I missed a turn somewhere.
2013-02-16 05:29:38 PM  
3 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow, this guy is destroying his reputation right as his most well known book is about to go mainstream (with the film and all). What a schmuck.


Well, it's more that people are discovering what anybody who had been paying attention had known for a while. In that way it's pretty similar to the Chick-Fil-A fiasco, activists had been pushing the issue for a while and just like with Dan Cathy, he handed activists a gift-wrapped present. These old homophobes don't realize that the world doesn't agree with them anymore.
2013-02-16 05:23:06 PM  
3 votes:
Card sits on the board of NOM and has said that gay marriage would herald "the end of democracy in America".

you know...i'm just gonna come out and say it.  I never liked 'Ender's game'.  I felt the ending was contrived.  but...he's a writer who's actually making money off his writing while i'm just a guy with several written stories and tabletop RPG campaigns and never gotten his files organized enough to actually submit anything.  So i'm not sure my opinion amounts to much.

oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.
2013-02-16 05:14:47 PM  
3 votes:
Because using your speech rights, which is about as American as you can get, is unamerican if you use them to criticize somebody involved with NOM. Okay.
2013-02-16 04:49:11 PM  
3 votes:
"NOM" refers to the sound they wish they were making with a cock in their mouths.
2013-02-17 04:07:16 PM  
2 votes:
Christians saying gays can't marry each other because it goes against Christianity makes no sense.  What if the people getting married aren't Christians?


Q: If you were on a soccer team, would you tell someone on a basketball team they can't touch the ball with their hands, because it breaks the rules of soccer?

Q:  How does two people who love each other getting married threaten marriage again?  Doesn't that just make more married people?

Q:  If gays marry each other, the pool of available heterosexual mates is enriched.  If you are heterosexual, is this a good or a bad thing?  Explain.

Q:  Does the (current) ease by which one can file for divorce threaten marriage? 

Q:  Jesus had a dozen really close male friends, and not much contact with females.  Could Jesus have been gay?  Or if not, possibly bi?  Statistically in 12 guys, or 13 if you count His Son, at least one was gay.  Who was it?
 

Q:  Do you think people 2,000 years ago had the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

Q:  Do you think people fifty years from now will have the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

Q:  Do you believe there have always been gays?  If so, how have they not destroyed society yet?  If not, explain why you think this is so, and when gays first appeared. 

Q:  If God were against gays, why has He not cast them into the Sun?  Why did He create gays in the first place?

Q:  The Bible doens't say men are allowed to breathe air.  Does breathing offend God?

Q:  Blowjobs are not mentioned in the bible.  Does a beej offend God if it's a female doing the work?
2013-02-17 01:23:52 AM  
2 votes:
Simply because we stand up for traditional marriage, some people feel like it's okay to target us for intimidation and punishment.

No, you're bigots.  There's a difference.  Equal rights for gays poses no threat at all to "traditional marriage," even the Christian version of it that they like to imagine came first.
2013-02-16 10:40:31 PM  
2 votes:

Xyphoid: The Church is teaching a lot of things that I don't believe are right...

There are people trying to fix things from the inside, and while I don't expect people to just tolerate bigotry, you don't have to react in such a way that it drives more people to bigotry or makes it harder to fix the bigots.


That's fine, but it doesn't really address the point.  If the church is teaching things, then it's perfectly reasonable to attack the church as a whole, even if all of the members might not agree.  Until it either stops teaching them, or the people that are trying to fix things succeed, its message is still being broadcast.

I also don't agree that the reactions are what leads more people to bigotry.  If anything, it leads people away, as they come to the realization that their viewpoints are no longer socially acceptable.
2013-02-16 09:31:14 PM  
2 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2013-02-16 09:22:31 PM  
2 votes:

AdrienVeidt: You guys that liked Enders Game should read Stephen Baxter's Exultant. Great stuff from a non-douche.

/liked EG
//rest of series was a mess
///decided to read guys that are always good, like Baxter, Egan, and Niven.


Thanks! Will do!

Also highly recommend John Scalzi (https://twitter.com/scalzi ) who is very non douchey and his books are great. I'd start with 'Old Man's War'. It's Heinleinesque, but in a good way (but no kink).
2013-02-16 09:03:53 PM  
2 votes:

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.


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2013-02-16 07:52:04 PM  
2 votes:
Speaking of Orson Scott Card, this is the worst book ever written:

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2013-02-16 07:10:19 PM  
2 votes:

Bhruic: Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.

Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.


The Church is teaching a lot of things that I don't believe are right, however the very core of what is being taught (the messages that Jesus actually taught, that are basically the same core messages from Judaism and the prophet Muhammad (PBUH)) leads a lot of people who aren't looking for a confirmation to their bigotry to see that the Church, and every Christian, should be okay with homosexuality.  The Church has been wrong about a lot in the past, this is just part of it, and is a sad artifact of the times.  I'm sure many people can find all the things that are explicitly talked about (Charity, loving fellow man, etc) that aren't emphasized by the Church or by just about any other branch of Christianity (see: megachurches, prosperity-gospel bullshiat), but that doesn't mean that there aren't good people out there who are Christian.

There are people trying to fix things from the inside, and while I don't expect people to just tolerate bigotry, you don't have to react in such a way that it drives more people to bigotry or makes it harder to fix the bigots.
2013-02-16 06:43:57 PM  
2 votes:

chewielouie: FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.

Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


Were they made explicitly against them?  I was unaware that there were outward facing thorns in there that allow poop to go by just fine, but anything entering got all mangled and shredded.  What about blowjobs?  I guess you're saying either blowjobs for anybody are out, or that you just love the idea of a man licking and sucking on another man's dick until he finishes.  That's a bold position to take.

What about if a man and man wanted to get married and promised not to put penises in butts?  Maybe just mutual masturbation, or even just plain old fashioned masturbation, while having a rich emotional connection?
2013-02-16 05:59:07 PM  
2 votes:

Uncle Tractor: How did "standing up for traditional marriage" morph into "no gay marriage?" In what way does same-sex marriage prevent people from having "traditional" (WTH that is) marriages?

I think I missed a turn somewhere.


The same way "standing up for the white race" turned into "no black people."
2013-02-16 05:53:39 PM  
2 votes:

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.


You're wrong.  (Happy?)

Or are people passing laws to keep others from practicing religions they don't approve of?
2013-02-16 05:49:57 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: I don't really care if OSC makes money off his own work.  sure, his personal politics are pretty bad...but he's got a right to his beliefs.


I don't really care if he makes other people's money off of his own work just not mine.

He has a right to his beliefs and I have a right to mine which include "you vote with your pocketbook more often and more effectively than you do your actual vote". If I enjoy an artist's work or a tv show or a movie I'll support them by buying a ticket and putting my ass in a seat or buying the dvd or box set if it's a series. If I don't support them then my squeamishness over pirated intellectual content is suddenly quashed.

In all likelihood I'll just not watch it.
2013-02-16 05:20:44 PM  
2 votes:
OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.
2013-02-16 05:06:04 PM  
2 votes:
Moooorrrmmaaaannnns iiiiinnnnnn ssspppppaaaaacccceeeeee.

shiatty shiatty human being, sucking kids into his cult by sneaky Mormon brainwashing in his shiatty scifi writing.
2013-02-18 12:17:17 AM  
1 votes:
I've decided that this December I'm going to buy a ticket to the shiattiest family comedy that's out at the time and sneak into Ender's Game. Because fark Orson Scott Card, that's why.
2013-02-17 12:45:26 PM  
1 votes:

robohobo: /heinlein was great until his later perv years


You don't know much about Heinlein. He and his wife swung IRL from the early days, as I understand it. He simply had the common sense to realize that certain themes wouldn't fly in 1930's-1950's pulps.
2013-02-17 07:17:30 AM  
1 votes:

narkor: If you like an author - be really careful about finding out more about their views. Chances are you'll find them very disappointing.


I can see why you might think this, especially with the Heinlen, but you are wrong.

With respect to Heinlen, his more conservative works tend to be the more approachable ones.  However, Peter F. Hamilton, Phillip K. Dick, Ian M. Banks and many more science fiction and fantasy authors ascribe to fairly liberal or libertarian ideology's.  Hell even Heinlen's work was radical for it's time.

I think that gay (male) protagonists are scarce because they don't play well.  I support gay rights, I vote for gay marriage, but I have little desire to read a book from a gay male perspective.  My reading lists are skewed towards certain genres, but what percentage of All novels are written from a gay male perspective?

The truth is that science fiction tends to be a place where authors push the edges of social conventions, and where authors can experiment with alternative ideas.  If anything, I think you will find that the views and politics expressed in quality science fiction are more encompassing than those represented by other genres.  Try to find even one book in military/action that has a gay male lead.  I cant even think of a mystery/crime novel with a gay male protagonist (not to say they are not out there, just that I have not run across it).
2013-02-17 03:05:53 AM  
1 votes:
A guy whose writing I don't like believes things I disagree with. It's great when my choices are easy.
2013-02-17 12:19:24 AM  
1 votes:
I hear they're making Sword of Shannara movies.

Well, actually, they're just taking the Lord of the Rings movies, changing the titles, and dubbing in different names. Terry Brooks fans won't know the difference.
2013-02-16 09:24:59 PM  
1 votes:
Card is so far in the closet that he visits Narnia.
2013-02-16 09:11:24 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Weaver95: oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.

I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.


Is that what the fark happened to Simmons?  I downloaded samples from Amazon for his last couple of books and thought they were complete shiat.

On the other hand, I really think he spooged out his only good work in the first two books of his John Keats uber-fanfic, the Hyperion Cantos.  I liked the other half, in the sort of way I liked 'God Emperor of Dune,' which is not entirely a compliment.
2013-02-16 08:49:54 PM  
1 votes:

T-Bone42: I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.



Once they are dead sure.  Until then they won't get any of my money.
2013-02-16 08:25:58 PM  
1 votes:
I attempted to read "Shadows in Flight" this week.

I've read things written by middle schoolers that were better.
2013-02-16 07:43:05 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.


I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.


ZeroCorpse: This is like the fifth Orson Scott Card thread on FARK in the past month. Is he blowing Drew or something?


Nah, that would be gay.
2013-02-16 07:37:46 PM  
1 votes:

chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


Exactly.  Why do you think the prostate is exactly where it is?  Either it evolved there, or God put it there.
2013-02-16 07:23:15 PM  
1 votes:

T-Bone42: I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.


Really?  And how are you enjoying his work as a board member of the National Organization for Marriage?  Because I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that once you take a job actively involving yourself in politics, you're a politician and whatever you claim your day job is can only be described as a hobby.

Person A holds an opinion I disagree with:  Fine by me.
Person B donates their own money to a cause I disagree with:  Well, at least they're backing up their opinion.  Their own money, their own choice.
Person C states their opinion publicly when asked, or when the subject comes up:  Eh...whatever.  Shut the hell up and play/write/act/whatever it is you do.
Person D is actively involved in politically campaigning to restrict the rights of other people:  ...Nope, no more money from me.  Bu-bye.
2013-02-16 07:19:14 PM  
1 votes:
Propain_az

Nope. The cock sucking is a must.

Exactly.

Blowjobs don't make a whole lot of intuitive or reproductive "sense", but they're still fun.

The haters of course never go "against God" and have never had their dick in anything but a vagina or their own hand.

/and they don't like it when you remind them that when they jerk off, they're touching a man.
2013-02-16 07:13:27 PM  
1 votes:
This is like the fifth Orson Scott Card thread on FARK in the past month. Is he blowing Drew or something?
2013-02-16 07:07:28 PM  
1 votes:

Bhruic: Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.

Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.


not all Catholics view the Vatican as their source of religious views and policy.

the Polish Catholic church in the US allows priests to marry, for example.
2013-02-16 07:05:59 PM  
1 votes:
I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.
2013-02-16 07:02:40 PM  
1 votes:

SaltyDonnie: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.

Animals often eat each other, thier own young, and thier own shiat. So what's your point?

I can stick a screwdriver in an electric socket, but that's not what either is used for. So that action doesn't equal plugging in a lamp.


Form a topographical standpoint it does.
2013-02-16 06:57:13 PM  
1 votes:

Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.


Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.
2013-02-16 06:07:47 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: firefly212: Lionel Mandrake: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

You're wrong.  (Happy?)

Or are people passing laws to keep others from practicing religions they don't approve of?

Prop 8.

Yes, people are passing laws to try to make their religion legally superior.

Well, that's new...I think my point was proved at the same time I was proved wrong...or something...now I'm confused...


You asked if people were passing laws to keep others from practicing religions they don't approve of... across the country, yes, people are passing laws to restrict the legal recognition of marriage to only those religions they think are the right ones. <1% of MCC marriages in a State like Texas or California would be recognized, while 100% of Catholic marriages earn you special rights... so very much yes, people love passing some laws to try to both promote their religion and demote those they disagree with.
2013-02-16 06:02:26 PM  
1 votes:
chewielouie

Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.

God made man perfectly, in His Own Image.

As part of his intelligent design, he made men 100% compatible sexually.  We always have been, and we always will be.  There is nothing in the bible where either God or His Own Son say one word against gays.  We are perfect in the eyes of God.  That's why he loves us.

God doesn't make mistakes.
2013-02-16 06:00:17 PM  
1 votes:
Card is a pretty shiatty writer. Can we protest him based on that or is that also un-American?
2013-02-16 06:00:11 PM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

You're wrong.  (Happy?)

Or are people passing laws to keep others from practicing religions they don't approve of?


Prop 8.

Yes, people are passing laws to try to make their religion legally superior.
2013-02-16 05:46:01 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: quatchi: HempHead: he Enders Game movie comes out in December.

If I do end up watching it I'll take extra special care to make sure I do so in a way that does not profit Card.

Fark that jackhole.

I don't really care if OSC makes money off his own work.  sure, his personal politics are pretty bad...but he's got a right to his beliefs.


The money he makes off of his works goes into NOM's coffers though.
2013-02-16 05:42:28 PM  
1 votes:
Card has a lot of interesting stuff.   The Worthing Saga is one of my favorite pieces of Sci-Fi, and a lot of his other early stuff is thought-provoking.  But recently he's had a nasty habit of randomly inserting politicized nonsense in his books for no particular reason (e.g. random non-sequiter paragraphs in  The Shadow of the Hegemonabout what a horrible president Kennedy was, or the "evil Russia and China" storylines that permeate the books in the Ender reboot).
2013-02-16 05:35:33 PM  
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quatchi: HempHead: he Enders Game movie comes out in December.

If I do end up watching it I'll take extra special care to make sure I do so in a way that does not profit Card.

Fark that jackhole.


I don't really care if OSC makes money off his own work.  sure, his personal politics are pretty bad...but he's got a right to his beliefs.
2013-02-16 05:33:21 PM  
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Uncle Tractor: How did "standing up for traditional marriage" morph into "no gay marriage?" In what way does same-sex marriage prevent people from having "traditional" (WTH that is) marriages?

I think I missed a turn somewhere.


Generally, people who "stand up for traditional marriage" believe that only so-called traditional marriage between a man and a woman is the only combination that should ever be allowed ever, because if two men or two women marry, their "traditional" marriages will be null and void and they will have to go out and gay marry the first person they find.

/or, because Jesus. whatever.
2013-02-16 05:20:26 PM  
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You'd think he'd be thrilled there's gay men out there. Less guys competing for the same number of 12 year old child brides he's after.
2013-02-16 05:16:20 PM  
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Well, his writing sucks, so I expected he would be in favor of the gays....
2013-02-16 05:16:04 PM  
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His Homecoming series was cool. Except for the last book. It made absolutely no sense.
None.
Finishing an otherwise good series with a story as incomprehensible as "Earthborn" is reason enough for him to stop writing.
2013-02-16 05:12:56 PM  
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2013-02-16 05:09:59 PM  
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I've never read Ender's Game, buy my SIL gave me Pathfinder to read.  I thought it was pretty predictable, but interesting.  I didn't get any overt attempts politicizing his writing.

Though now that I've found all this nonsense out about him, I'm not so inclined to read the sequel.
 
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