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2013-02-16 11:07:06 PM

BumpInTheNight: Pretty odd stance from a guy who traces muscular men in tiny tights for a living.


You'd think he'd be more encompassing - a wide stance, if you will.
 
2013-02-16 11:11:33 PM
BIgger issue here is that the kids in the forthcoming Ender's Game movie are too damned old. Movie might of been better served as a cgi cartoon.
 
2013-02-16 11:28:58 PM
[Peeks into thread]

*ahem*


Bigotry is a learned behavior.

/Altarboy is my surname
 
2013-02-16 11:31:31 PM
I realize that some science fiction just doesn't stand up to the passage of time well.  After all, according to Arthur Clark, Chief Brody from Jaws should have seen Jupiter erupt into a second sun by now.

But Card's stuff really stinks at this.  The Ender's Game universe, started in '85, has the world taken over by a kid who rose to power by creating a following on what amounts to internet message boards.  Just think about that - any of us could be talking to the next King of the World over on the politics tab.
 
2013-02-16 11:37:10 PM

narkor: A lot of Sci-Fi authors have some pretty extreme views. Dan Simmons wrote a SciFi novel (Flashback) which was a long polemic against Democrats and Greens. Neal Ascher abuses anyone who agrees with AGW as a deluded sheep. Heinlein was a proponent of Ayn Rand.


This one here:
upload.wikimedia.org

I remember getting about halfway through it and then going back to pour over the title page looking for a note that said that Terry Goodkind was the author of the series, but that this particular book was written by Zombie Reagan.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:58 PM

theorellior: Mr. Titanium: Order is very important in reading literature. You should have started by reading Ender's Game and then quit.

This man is not wrong.


Ender's Shadow is better than Ender's Game.  Quit there.
 
2013-02-17 12:19:24 AM
I hear they're making Sword of Shannara movies.

Well, actually, they're just taking the Lord of the Rings movies, changing the titles, and dubbing in different names. Terry Brooks fans won't know the difference.
 
2013-02-17 12:30:14 AM
You need to get your farking facts straight. The man has written about gay characters. He has nothing personally against gay people. As a christian, he thinks it's immoral. He's entitled to that opinion, no matter how wrong we may think it. He has never said they should be in jail. Get your facts straight and go pick on someone who deserves it.
 
2013-02-17 12:34:30 AM

narkor: Neal Ascher abuses anyone who agrees with AGW as a deluded sheep.


Aw fark. I didn't need to know that. Fortunately it hasn't seeped into any of his work (that I've noticed, at least).

"The Skinner" is one of my favorite books.
 
2013-02-17 12:35:02 AM

SpdrJay: Well, his writing sucks, so I expected he would be in favor of the gays....


So what you're saying is that you think Gay people aren't sophisticated enough to handle good writing?

Got it.
 
2013-02-17 12:37:14 AM

Lady Indica: That being said, Ender's Game is an extremely good book, and one I think everyone should actually read (yes, it's that good.)


This is false. It's mostly just silly. And boring.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It read like something Gene Roddenberry wrote for the character of Wesley. I couldn't not picture Wil as Ender


I never thought of that, but it's pretty much dead-on.
 
2013-02-17 12:38:52 AM

BumpInTheNight: Pretty odd stance from a guy who traces muscular men in tiny tights for a living.


He's been hired as a writer, not an inker. Your joke doesn't really work so well now.
 
2013-02-17 12:41:58 AM

Ed Grubermann: The creation of Adam is the first time the Bible does not say "and it was good" after the event.




Nope, it does. Genesis 1:31: וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-כָּל-אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה, וְהִנֵּה-טוֹב מְאֹד; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם הַשִּׁשִּׁי. And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
 
2013-02-17 12:59:03 AM

Bunny Deville: You need to get your farking facts straight. The man has written about gay characters. He has nothing personally against gay people. As a christian, he thinks it's immoral. He's entitled to that opinion, no matter how wrong we may think it. He has never said they should be in jail. Get your facts straight and go pick on someone who deserves it.


He only called for open revolution if same sex marriage is legalized, nothing radical or anything.
 
2013-02-17 01:23:52 AM
Simply because we stand up for traditional marriage, some people feel like it's okay to target us for intimidation and punishment.

No, you're bigots.  There's a difference.  Equal rights for gays poses no threat at all to "traditional marriage," even the Christian version of it that they like to imagine came first.
 
2013-02-17 03:05:53 AM
A guy whose writing I don't like believes things I disagree with. It's great when my choices are easy.
 
2013-02-17 04:03:00 AM

Xyphoid: FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.

I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.  Outside of higher-up leadership, I've often heard the message of "God is good.  Therefore, if people seek to do good, they seek God, therefore they are good."  It's part of why Catholicism says that Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Zoroastrian... whatever - so long as you are a good person you're going to heaven.


Only because the rise of secular political power put the kabosh on their practice of converting by the sword or burning at the stake. The Catholic Church plays nice because it has to, not because it wants to.
 
2013-02-17 04:15:30 AM

Pentaxian: Ed Grubermann: The creation of Adam is the first time the Bible does not say "and it was good" after the event.

Nope, it does. Genesis 1:31: וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-כָּל-אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה, וְהִנֵּה-טוֹב מְאֹד; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם הַשִּׁשִּׁי. And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


Are you calling Bill Cosby a liar? You bastard!
 
2013-02-17 05:00:25 AM
Why is America the only country that has `un-` attatched to the front as a concept?

"They said the actions were un-french"
"They said the actions were un-german"
"They said the actions were un-brazilian"

What are you, cultists?
 
2013-02-17 05:06:33 AM

dready zim: Why is America the only country that has `un-` attatched to the front as a concept?

"They said the actions were un-french"
"They said the actions were un-german"
"They said the actions were un-brazilian"

What are you, cultists?


They didn't surrender, made awesome sausages or wax their pubes?
 
2013-02-17 05:25:18 AM

fusillade762: narkor: Neal Ascher abuses anyone who agrees with AGW as a deluded sheep.

Aw fark. I didn't need to know that. Fortunately it hasn't seeped into any of his work (that I've noticed, at least).

"The Skinner" is one of my favorite books.


I suggest you never follow him on Twitter (his G+ feed is a bit more restrained). I think I lasted 48 hours before unfollowing.
 
2013-02-17 05:33:24 AM
God forbid someone enjoy science and science-fiction while not being socially 'progressive'. The butthurt suffered when people find a good deal of sci-fi writers don't swing to the left is amusing. What the fark does it matter what these authors believe? Do you enjoy their make believe? Comics and sci-fi both have fan bases that are largely heterosexual males. Is this surprising?

/heinlein was great until his later perv years
//service guarantees citizenship
 
2013-02-17 06:27:06 AM
If you're looking for other sci-fi authors to hate, Isaac Asimov said some pretty homophobic things about gays and lesbians in his autobiography.
 
2013-02-17 06:52:53 AM
Since I'm not as cool and edgy as some of the posters in this thread, I'm going to say that I really enjoyed the Card books that I read.  I found his grasp of history and culture to be very interesting, and I think he tells a good story.  Ender's Game was one of my very favorite books when I was younger.

I always got the feeling from his books that he was somewhat conservative, but I'm extremely disappointed to find out that he's an anti-gay douchebag.
 
2013-02-17 07:14:21 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.


Letting Christian Republicans marry is a threat to democracy.
 
2013-02-17 07:17:30 AM

narkor: If you like an author - be really careful about finding out more about their views. Chances are you'll find them very disappointing.


I can see why you might think this, especially with the Heinlen, but you are wrong.

With respect to Heinlen, his more conservative works tend to be the more approachable ones.  However, Peter F. Hamilton, Phillip K. Dick, Ian M. Banks and many more science fiction and fantasy authors ascribe to fairly liberal or libertarian ideology's.  Hell even Heinlen's work was radical for it's time.

I think that gay (male) protagonists are scarce because they don't play well.  I support gay rights, I vote for gay marriage, but I have little desire to read a book from a gay male perspective.  My reading lists are skewed towards certain genres, but what percentage of All novels are written from a gay male perspective?

The truth is that science fiction tends to be a place where authors push the edges of social conventions, and where authors can experiment with alternative ideas.  If anything, I think you will find that the views and politics expressed in quality science fiction are more encompassing than those represented by other genres.  Try to find even one book in military/action that has a gay male lead.  I cant even think of a mystery/crime novel with a gay male protagonist (not to say they are not out there, just that I have not run across it).
 
2013-02-17 07:41:41 AM
Talented artists sometimes hold reprehensible political views.

/tried to write it in six words or less
//I don't think it can be done
///fun game
 
2013-02-17 09:04:56 AM
Just inform NOM that Card supports evolution.  They put him on the BBQ themselves.
 
2013-02-17 10:31:24 AM

narkor: If you look at the majority of Sci Fi - it's heroic heterosexual men saving stuff (The galaxy, the planet). When Richard K Morgan (Takashi Kovachs books) wrote a gay character who banged dudes the way that his male leads in earlier novels banged women, readers freaked the fark out. Posit Kirk banging all the green chicks he can lay his hands on, but how many bestselling scifi novels have a gay lead?


Well, if the Ho Yay subtext is to be believed, then it wasn't just the green chicks Kirk was banging...
 
2013-02-17 12:45:26 PM

robohobo: /heinlein was great until his later perv years


You don't know much about Heinlein. He and his wife swung IRL from the early days, as I understand it. He simply had the common sense to realize that certain themes wouldn't fly in 1930's-1950's pulps.
 
2013-02-17 12:52:09 PM
That's odd. When I worked at a comics and games shop back in the 80's, one item we had was a cassette of Card performing "The Atheist Sermon", which was sort of a mockery of a hellfire-and-brimstone Christian sermon, but espousing atheism and a scientific outlook. Back then, I wouldn't have seen this coming.
 
2013-02-17 01:16:36 PM

buckler: That's odd. When I worked at a comics and games shop back in the 80's, one item we had was a cassette of Card performing "The Atheist Sermon", which was sort of a mockery of a hellfire-and-brimstone Christian sermon, but espousing atheism and a scientific outlook. Back then, I wouldn't have seen this coming.


This is actually a concern I have with Brian Sanderson.  He is a skilled writer and I have enjoyed a few of his books, but I am sort of worried that as he ages he is going to become more... calcified in reactionary points of view. The last thing I need is to get attached to an author that is going to go all Terry Goodkind on me.  I don't want preaching out of my mental twinkies.
 
2013-02-17 01:26:18 PM

August11: Talented artists sometimes hold reprehensible political views.

/tried to write it in six words or less
//I don't think it can be done
///fun game



Ta-daa.
 
2013-02-17 01:54:29 PM

jfarkinB: robohobo: /heinlein was great until his later perv years

You don't know much about Heinlein. He and his wife swung IRL from the early days, as I understand it. He simply had the common sense to realize that certain themes wouldn't fly in 1930's-1950's pulps.


I was going to say that I actually enjoyed Heinlein more in his later perv years, when he pushed more social issues into his speculative fiction.
 
2013-02-17 02:06:42 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.


That there is some intelligent design.  I mean, if a banana fitting a monkey's hand is intelligent design, the fact that penii fit in poopii must be intelligent design as well.
 
2013-02-17 02:13:08 PM

gingerjet: redTiburon: I thought he was a flaming liberal. Ok, he's a homophobic flaming liberal.

There is such a thing as a homophobic Bush apologist flaming liberal?


Remember: conservatives go with the barrel of sewage theory of politics.  Just like a single drop of sewage in a barrel of wine makes the whole barrel sewage (but a single drop of wine in a sewage barrel doesn't change it), a single liberal view makes you a flaming lib, no matter HOW MANY conservative views you have.
 
2013-02-17 02:14:14 PM

FormlessOne: jfarkinB: robohobo: /heinlein was great until his later perv years

You don't know much about Heinlein. He and his wife swung IRL from the early days, as I understand it. He simply had the common sense to realize that certain themes wouldn't fly in 1930's-1950's pulps.

I was going to say that I actually enjoyed Heinlein more in his later perv years, when he pushed more social issues into his speculative fiction.


Mostly, Heinlein's social issues were mental exercises.  It's amazing how many people thought SST was his preferred society.  (And it's amazing how many people get SST's society wrong.)
 
2013-02-17 02:16:18 PM

Planterz: August11: Talented artists sometimes hold reprehensible political views.

/tried to write it in six words or less
//I don't think it can be done
///fun game


Ta-daa.


Talented artists sometimes hold reprehensible views.
 
2013-02-17 04:07:16 PM
Christians saying gays can't marry each other because it goes against Christianity makes no sense.  What if the people getting married aren't Christians?


Q: If you were on a soccer team, would you tell someone on a basketball team they can't touch the ball with their hands, because it breaks the rules of soccer?

Q:  How does two people who love each other getting married threaten marriage again?  Doesn't that just make more married people?

Q:  If gays marry each other, the pool of available heterosexual mates is enriched.  If you are heterosexual, is this a good or a bad thing?  Explain.

Q:  Does the (current) ease by which one can file for divorce threaten marriage? 

Q:  Jesus had a dozen really close male friends, and not much contact with females.  Could Jesus have been gay?  Or if not, possibly bi?  Statistically in 12 guys, or 13 if you count His Son, at least one was gay.  Who was it?
 

Q:  Do you think people 2,000 years ago had the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

Q:  Do you think people fifty years from now will have the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

Q:  Do you believe there have always been gays?  If so, how have they not destroyed society yet?  If not, explain why you think this is so, and when gays first appeared. 

Q:  If God were against gays, why has He not cast them into the Sun?  Why did He create gays in the first place?

Q:  The Bible doens't say men are allowed to breathe air.  Does breathing offend God?

Q:  Blowjobs are not mentioned in the bible.  Does a beej offend God if it's a female doing the work?
 
2013-02-17 07:46:33 PM
studebaker hoch: Christians saying gays can't marry each other because it goes against Christianity makes no sense.  What if the people getting married aren't Christians?


Q: If you were on a soccer team, would you tell someone on a basketball team they can't touch the ball with their hands, because it breaks the rules of soccer?

Of course, because that heathen should be playing soccer, not basketball.  Basketball is a sinful sport, what with all that ball touching.

Q:  How does two people who love each other getting married threaten marriage again?  Doesn't that just make more married people?

You're using up all the marriage.  Stop it.

Q:  If gays marry each other, the pool of available heterosexual mates is enriched.  If you are heterosexual, is this a good or a bad thing?  Explain.

It's bad, because you can't marry that cute lesbian.  She should be forced to be straight and only make out with women for my personal entertainment.

Q:  Does the (current) ease by which one can file for divorce threaten marriage?

Only when the woman does it.

Q:  Jesus had a dozen really close male friends, and not much contact with females.  Could Jesus have been gay?  Or if not, possibly bi?  Statistically in 12 guys, or 13 if you count His Son, at least one was gay.  Who was it?

Judas.

Q:  Do you think people 2,000 years ago had the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

If they were good Christians, they better have!

Q:  Do you think people fifty years from now will have the same sexual hangups some Christians have in the United States today?

They better!

Q:  Do you believe there have always been gays?  If so, how have they not destroyed society yet?  If not, explain why you think this is so, and when gays first appeared.

Cain was gay and killed his bro because he wouldn't be gay with him.  He is the father of all gays.
Little know fact:  The mark of Cain is fabulousness.

Q:  If God were against gays, why has He not cast them into the Sun?  Why did He create gays in the first place?

It's an amazing testament to his glory.  See, for God to be all wise and all just, he had to create gays.  God said you can't lay with a man as you do with a woman, right?  But, if there was no one who wanted to do that, what would be the point of him mentioning that?  It would be dumb and God would be dumb.  So, he had to make gays so his just proclamation would make sense.  He truly is an awesome God, isn't he?

Q:  The Bible doens't say men are allowed to breathe air.  Does breathing offend God?

Dude, EVERYTHING offends God.  Have you even read the Bible?

Q:  Blowjobs are not mentioned in the bible.  Does a beej offend God if it's a female doing the work?

Er, on second thought, this is the only thing that doesn't offend God.  In fact, he wishes more of it, and he wishes it on me particularly.  So get cracking females.
 
2013-02-17 09:36:22 PM

narkor: Sci Fi authors skew conservative because SciFi itself (socially) skews conservative.


Perhaps more precisely, I think it's that Sci Fi authors skew libertarian because Sci FI itself skews highly Social Dominance Orientation, low Right Wing Authoritarian. (Card may be an exception on the latter, which doesn't help.)
 
2013-02-17 10:00:40 PM

studebaker hoch: Does a beej offend God if it's a female doing the work?


Only if she spits.
 
2013-02-17 10:04:09 PM

Xyphoid: chewielouie: FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.

Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.

Were they made explicitly against them?  I was unaware that there were outward facing thorns in there that allow poop to go by just fine, but anything entering got all mangled and shredded.  What about blowjobs?  I guess you're saying either blowjobs for anybody are out, or that you just love the idea of a man licking and sucking on another man's dick until he finishes.  That's a bold position to take.

What about if a man and man wanted to get married and promised not to put penises in butts?  Maybe just mutual masturbation, or even just plain old fashioned masturbation, while having a rich emotional connection?


You know people with same sex attraction can be Mormon. They can't act on it like a sex addict can't or an alcoholic can't. Nobody is perfect!

/I am not a huge fan of Orson Scott Card.
 
2013-02-17 10:24:57 PM
Farker Soze

God said you can't lay with a man as you do with a woman, right?

That was the personal opinion of a man named Leviticus.  When Leviticus can create a universe, we'll start taking him seriously.
 
2013-02-17 11:09:31 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, I'm sorry, Orson, I thought people had a right to express disagreement, and decide for themselves what they want to spend their money on.


Freedom of Speech is only applicable for good, white, God-fearin' 'Murcans against blah usurpers.

/When Tea Party sez "We came unarmed...this time": Yay freedom of speech!
/When Occupy sez "Please, sir, I want some more": Have some pepper spray and get out of my sight, hippie!
 
2013-02-18 12:17:17 AM
I've decided that this December I'm going to buy a ticket to the shiattiest family comedy that's out at the time and sneak into Ender's Game. Because fark Orson Scott Card, that's why.
 
2013-02-18 12:43:37 AM
I thought that Orson Scott Card was smarter than that...The BS rolls on.
 
2013-02-18 08:06:04 PM
If God actually did feel as strongly against gays (even after he built the perfect body for being gay), they why didn't he make "no homo" one of the Ten Commandments?

He didn't.

The closest I'm seeing is "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Ass".  Doesn't say you can't boink said neighbor, but you are commanded by GOD not to sit around in a perpetual state of lust without doing anything about it.  Life is short.  Grow a pair and go say hello.

/ God is cool.
 
2013-02-18 11:54:25 PM

KhamanV: fusillade762: Weaver95: oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.

I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.

Is that what the fark happened to Simmons?  I downloaded samples from Amazon for his last couple of books and thought they were complete shiat.

On the other hand, I really think he spooged out his only good work in the first two books of his John Keats uber-fanfic, the Hyperion Cantos.  I liked the other half, in the sort of way I liked 'God Emperor of Dune,' which is not entirely a compliment.


Simmons got caught up in his own head.  When you write a 1,000 page SF novel and 1/3 of it consists of 2 robots going on and on about Proust and Teilhard du Chardin, you need to just stop writing.
 
2013-02-19 11:55:22 AM
"Simply because we stand up for traditional marriage bigotry and hatemongering, some people feel like it's okay to target us for intimidation and punishment."

Reap what you sow, dickhole.
 
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