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2013-02-16 06:25:39 PM
I thought Ender's Game was a gay porn novel.  So dissapointed.
 
2013-02-16 06:31:53 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.


I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.  Outside of higher-up leadership, I've often heard the message of "God is good.  Therefore, if people seek to do good, they seek God, therefore they are good."  It's part of why Catholicism says that Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Zoroastrian... whatever - so long as you are a good person you're going to heaven.
I understand that many people who claim to be Christian are out there hating on people, but don't be just as bad as them and say that every Christian is evil.  You just make it harder for us reasonable folk in the mix to get any change done, because you enable their zeal and put them on the defensive.

I don't wanna turn this into a religious debate because this should be about Orson Scott Card being a douchebag.  Please don't try to make it a religious thing (though I know he is warping religion to fit his bigotry) when we have plenty of things in common in hating this guy's douchebaggery.  Let's meet in the middle and hold hands while we give him the finger.
 
2013-02-16 06:40:16 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.


Animals often eat each other, thier own young, and thier own shiat. So what's your point?

I can stick a screwdriver in an electric socket, but that's not what either is used for. So that action doesn't equal plugging in a lamp.
 
2013-02-16 06:41:16 PM
I know I'll get yelled at on Fark for saying this, but the only reason Orson Scott Card is known at all is because he wrote a masturbatory fantasy for a bunch of nerds who played way too many video games and wanted vindication for all the years of getting their heads stuffed in toilets. Those people bought his books in hardcover.

His writing is crap.
 
2013-02-16 06:43:57 PM

chewielouie: FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.

Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


Were they made explicitly against them?  I was unaware that there were outward facing thorns in there that allow poop to go by just fine, but anything entering got all mangled and shredded.  What about blowjobs?  I guess you're saying either blowjobs for anybody are out, or that you just love the idea of a man licking and sucking on another man's dick until he finishes.  That's a bold position to take.

What about if a man and man wanted to get married and promised not to put penises in butts?  Maybe just mutual masturbation, or even just plain old fashioned masturbation, while having a rich emotional connection?
 
2013-02-16 06:45:58 PM

Xyphoid: chewielouie: FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.

Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.

Were they made explicitly against them?  I was unaware that there were outward facing thorns in there that allow poop to go by just fine, but anything entering got all mangled and shredded.  What about blowjobs?  I guess you're saying either blowjobs for anybody are out, or that you just love the idea of a man licking and sucking on another man's dick until he finishes.  That's a bold position to take.

What about if a man and man wanted to get married and promised not to put penises in butts?  Maybe just mutual masturbation, or even just plain old fashioned masturbation, while having a rich emotional connection?


Nope.  The cock sucking is a must.
 
2013-02-16 06:50:37 PM
an entire thread and not one nom nom nom pic?
 
2013-02-16 06:57:13 PM

Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.


Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.
 
2013-02-16 07:02:40 PM

SaltyDonnie: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.

Animals often eat each other, thier own young, and thier own shiat. So what's your point?

I can stick a screwdriver in an electric socket, but that's not what either is used for. So that action doesn't equal plugging in a lamp.


Form a topographical standpoint it does.
 
2013-02-16 07:05:59 PM
I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.
 
2013-02-16 07:07:28 PM

Bhruic: Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.

Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.


not all Catholics view the Vatican as their source of religious views and policy.

the Polish Catholic church in the US allows priests to marry, for example.
 
2013-02-16 07:10:19 PM

Bhruic: Xyphoid: I'm a Catholic and I think homosexuality is a-okay.

Then you're a bad Catholic.  The official Catholic position is that engaging in homosexual behaviour is a sin.  So unless you meant that being a homosexual is ok, as long as you never act on your desires - effectively dodging the issue - then you're disagreeing with the church.  Which is fine, but acting as if the church isn't teaching that homosexual behaviour is a sin isn't helping anything.


The Church is teaching a lot of things that I don't believe are right, however the very core of what is being taught (the messages that Jesus actually taught, that are basically the same core messages from Judaism and the prophet Muhammad (PBUH)) leads a lot of people who aren't looking for a confirmation to their bigotry to see that the Church, and every Christian, should be okay with homosexuality.  The Church has been wrong about a lot in the past, this is just part of it, and is a sad artifact of the times.  I'm sure many people can find all the things that are explicitly talked about (Charity, loving fellow man, etc) that aren't emphasized by the Church or by just about any other branch of Christianity (see: megachurches, prosperity-gospel bullshiat), but that doesn't mean that there aren't good people out there who are Christian.

There are people trying to fix things from the inside, and while I don't expect people to just tolerate bigotry, you don't have to react in such a way that it drives more people to bigotry or makes it harder to fix the bigots.
 
2013-02-16 07:10:53 PM

maxheck: I know I'll get yelled at on Fark for saying this, but the only reason Orson Scott Card is known at all is because he wrote a masturbatory fantasy for a bunch of nerds who played way too many video games and wanted vindication for all the years of getting their heads stuffed in toilets. Those people bought his books in hardcover.

His writing is crap.


Youre not wrong, but shut up.
 
2013-02-16 07:12:05 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: I've never read Ender's Game, buy my SIL gave me Pathfinder to read.  I thought it was pretty predictable, but interesting.  I didn't get any overt attempts politicizing his writing.

Though now that I've found all this nonsense out about him, I'm not so inclined to read the sequel.


His early stuff (before he started foaming at the mouth over gay marriage) like Ender's Game was blatantly political, but his current stuff is "hit-you-over-the-head-with-the-author's-philosophy" bad.

"Empire" (and it's sequel, "Hidden Empire") was crap that a Fox News watcher would jack off to, and his re-imagining of Hamlet had half of the cast "turned gay" because Hamlet's father molested them as children. I'm amazed that Shakespeare didn't crawl out of his grave and b*tch-slap Card.
 
2013-02-16 07:13:27 PM
This is like the fifth Orson Scott Card thread on FARK in the past month. Is he blowing Drew or something?
 
2013-02-16 07:14:41 PM
T-Bone42:

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.

About three minutes of my allotted 15 was publicly telling Frank Zappa he was full of shiat when he went on about how HIV/AIDS was a CIA plot.

I still have almost all of his work on vinyl, and saw him several times in concert. But sometimes you just need to shut up and play your guitar.
 
2013-02-16 07:16:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, and something one is born as.

Christianity and Republicanism are learned behaviors that are most definitely evil and unnatural.


Rape is natural in the animal kingdom too, what's your point?
 
2013-02-16 07:19:02 PM
A comic showing what OSC's Superman would be like: (I wanted to post this, but the damn image is too large): Link
 
2013-02-16 07:19:14 PM
Propain_az

Nope. The cock sucking is a must.

Exactly.

Blowjobs don't make a whole lot of intuitive or reproductive "sense", but they're still fun.

The haters of course never go "against God" and have never had their dick in anything but a vagina or their own hand.

/and they don't like it when you remind them that when they jerk off, they're touching a man.
 
2013-02-16 07:22:41 PM

redTiburon: I thought he was a flaming liberal. Ok, he's a homophobic flaming liberal.


There is such a thing as a homophobic Bush apologist flaming liberal?
 
2013-02-16 07:23:15 PM

T-Bone42: I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.


Really?  And how are you enjoying his work as a board member of the National Organization for Marriage?  Because I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that once you take a job actively involving yourself in politics, you're a politician and whatever you claim your day job is can only be described as a hobby.

Person A holds an opinion I disagree with:  Fine by me.
Person B donates their own money to a cause I disagree with:  Well, at least they're backing up their opinion.  Their own money, their own choice.
Person C states their opinion publicly when asked, or when the subject comes up:  Eh...whatever.  Shut the hell up and play/write/act/whatever it is you do.
Person D is actively involved in politically campaigning to restrict the rights of other people:  ...Nope, no more money from me.  Bu-bye.
 
2013-02-16 07:29:40 PM

SaltyDonnie: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


The animal kingdom apparently learned it from us, then.

Animals often eat each other, thier own young, and thier own shiat. So what's your point?

I can stick a screwdriver in an electric socket, but that's not what either is used for. So that action doesn't equal plugging in a lamp.


"It's not natural!" "Here's evidence that it is, in fact, natural" "WELL ANIMALS DO HORRIBLE THINGS DOES THAT MAKE THEM OK HOMOSEXUALITY IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS RAPE AND CANNIBALISM!11"

Keep moving those goalposts, homophobes. The world will leave you in the dust with the rest of the bigots.
 
2013-02-16 07:37:46 PM

chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.


Exactly.  Why do you think the prostate is exactly where it is?  Either it evolved there, or God put it there.
 
2013-02-16 07:43:05 PM

Weaver95: oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.


I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.


ZeroCorpse: This is like the fifth Orson Scott Card thread on FARK in the past month. Is he blowing Drew or something?


Nah, that would be gay.
 
2013-02-16 07:45:57 PM
Dwight_Yeast:

chewielouie: Yeah, poopers were made for penises . . . naturally.

Exactly. Why do you think the prostate is exactly where it is? Either it evolved there, or God put it there.


From what I understand, humans actually want to have sex outside of the female estrus. Every other animal has a means to avoid sex out of season, but not humans.

What exactly is natural?
 
2013-02-16 07:45:58 PM

jaytkay: [d.gr-assets.com image 171x239]
He looks like a member of the
National
Association for
Marriage
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Ladies
And men


Holy crap. I know a guy that looks exactly like him!!!

And he's a flaming douchebag too!!!
 
2013-02-16 07:52:04 PM
Speaking of Orson Scott Card, this is the worst book ever written:

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2013-02-16 07:52:53 PM
stupid WYSIWYG editor.
 
2013-02-16 07:57:16 PM

fusillade762: I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.


Stephen Hunter did the same thing. He went from reasonably conservative action/gun writer with a classic strong-silent-independent type protagonist in most of his books, to full derp ranting for the most recent one.

It was like someone told the action authors of the country that they only appeal to the gun-nut teahaddist types, and that they should dumb it down, and turn up the derp to 11.
 
2013-02-16 08:25:58 PM
I attempted to read "Shadows in Flight" this week.

I've read things written by middle schoolers that were better.
 
2013-02-16 08:45:37 PM
I'm bisexual and OSC won't get another farking dollar from me.

That being said, Ender's Game is an extremely good book, and one I think everyone should actually read (yes, it's that good.) Your local library probably has a copy.

Shame too. I won't steal simply to circumvent this asshat, but I'd love to have an ebook copy. But again, won't give that farker another dime.

There's plenty of people I don't personally agree with that I do financially support (via buying books). I own books that I don't agree with (Hello KJV of the bible on my kindle). But I'll be damned if I give a farking penny of my hard earned money to some asshat who clearly hates people like me, and will do whatever he can to prevent equal rights. fark that noise. What am I, stupid?

And fark you too NOM, take the cock out of your mouth.
 
2013-02-16 08:48:07 PM

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.


Don't wave it in my face, and I won't care what you do...

Sounds about right to me.
 
2013-02-16 08:49:54 PM

T-Bone42: I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

It was very surprising to me when I learned about his political views and personal convictions. I was surprised, because I had always thought of him as being so smart in his writing -- it was hard for me to accept smart people espousing some of his views.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.



Once they are dead sure.  Until then they won't get any of my money.
 
2013-02-16 09:03:53 PM

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-16 09:07:09 PM
You guys that liked Enders Game should read Stephen Baxter's Exultant. Great stuff from a non-douche.

/liked EG
//rest of series was a mess
///decided to read guys that are always good, like Baxter, Egan, and Niven.
 
2013-02-16 09:11:24 PM

fusillade762: Weaver95: oh, and writers should keep their politics in their stories and not make a big deal about 'em in public.  you still gotta sell books.  STFU and be a writer, avoid politics and write stories.

I'm still sad that Dan Simmons pulled a Dennis Miller after 9/11. "Flashback" was like reading Tea Party doomsday propaganda.


Is that what the fark happened to Simmons?  I downloaded samples from Amazon for his last couple of books and thought they were complete shiat.

On the other hand, I really think he spooged out his only good work in the first two books of his John Keats uber-fanfic, the Hyperion Cantos.  I liked the other half, in the sort of way I liked 'God Emperor of Dune,' which is not entirely a compliment.
 
2013-02-16 09:22:31 PM

AdrienVeidt: You guys that liked Enders Game should read Stephen Baxter's Exultant. Great stuff from a non-douche.

/liked EG
//rest of series was a mess
///decided to read guys that are always good, like Baxter, Egan, and Niven.


Thanks! Will do!

Also highly recommend John Scalzi (https://twitter.com/scalzi ) who is very non douchey and his books are great. I'd start with 'Old Man's War'. It's Heinleinesque, but in a good way (but no kink).
 
2013-02-16 09:23:17 PM

maxheck: I know I'll get yelled at on Fark for saying this, but the only reason Orson Scott Card is known at all is because he wrote a masturbatory fantasy for a bunch of nerds who played way too many video games and wanted vindication for all the years of getting their heads stuffed in toilets. Those people bought his books in hardcover.

His writing is crap.


Maybe I was too old when I read Ender's Game, but pretty much this.

It read like something Gene Roddenberry wrote for the character of Wesley. I couldn't not picture Wil as Ender.
 
2013-02-16 09:24:59 PM
Card is so far in the closet that he visits Narnia.
 
2013-02-16 09:31:14 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-02-16 09:34:06 PM

obamadidcoke: Card is so far in the closet that he visits Narnia.


Holy crap - I came in here for the express purpose of saying something about a lamppost and a faun, having read Card's work.  Are you me, in a different time stream or something?
 
2013-02-16 09:43:45 PM
A lot of Sci-Fi authors have some pretty extreme views. Dan Simmons wrote a SciFi novel (Flashback) which was a long polemic against Democrats and Greens. Neal Ascher abuses anyone who agrees with AGW as a deluded sheep. Heinlein was a proponent of Ayn Rand.

If you want to know why so many Sci Fi authors skew conservative, look at the recent reddit thread on "which SciFi books should you start with" and people overwhelmingly choose Heinlein's more conservative libertarian stuff as a starting point. The people that are writing SciFi now didn't grow up on stuff like Joe Haldeman. Even Asimov skewed conservative (ask Newt Gingrich what his favorite novel is - he's claimed that much of his political philosophy was influenced by reading Asimov's Foundation trilogy). Sci Fi authors skew conservative because SciFi itself (socially) skews conservative.

If you look at the majority of Sci Fi - it's heroic heterosexual men saving stuff (The galaxy, the planet). When Richard K Morgan (Takashi Kovachs books) wrote a gay character who banged dudes the way that his male leads in earlier novels banged women, readers freaked the fark out. Posit Kirk banging all the green chicks he can lay his hands on, but how many bestselling scifi novels have a gay lead?

Social Media simply allows us to see more of an authors views than we normally would have.

If you like an author - be really careful about finding out more about their views. Chances are you'll find them very disappointing.
 
2013-02-16 09:46:01 PM
mjjt:
Dec 1978 A Thousand Deaths
Mar 1979 Unaccompanied Sonata
July 1979 Deep Breathing Exercises
Jan 1980 Fat Farm
June 1981 A Sepulcher of Songs


Those ones I specifically remember reading when they came out in Omni.  Between him and Spider Robinson's Callahan's stories in Omni, I ended up with a core of slightly cynical hope.  Even now, I still think Unaccompanied Sonata is one of the most darkly beautiful short stories I've ever read, and for decades recommended it as a good introduction to OSC.  I've kept The Changed Man and The King of Worlds in mind since I became a father.

With his anti gay writings, I became concerned.  When he was calling people against the war in Iraq effectively anti-American (go look up his "essays" at his <a href="http://www.ornery.org">foam at the mouth site</a> and judge for yourself) I got pissed.  When he said critics of his political stances were taking food away from his family, I said, "fark you OSC, STARVE, you bastard." and haven't bought a book of his since.
 
2013-02-16 09:47:29 PM
I apparently fail at HTML with the new editor.  His foam at the mouth site is here.
 
2013-02-16 09:59:31 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: T-Bone42: I love Sci Fi, and I still consider Card to be one of my favorite authors. I devoured Ender's Game, and for a while I would read anything of his I could get my hands on. He wrote some really trippy stuff.

I enjoy a lot of the works that Card, Tom Cruise and Picasso have produced, even if I don't share their views on gayness, scientology and fascism respectively. I understand that that Michaelangelo fella was kind of racist, too. At some point you have to separate the artist from the art and judge them separately as best you can.

Really?  And how are you enjoying his work as a board member of the National Organization for Marriage?  Because I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that once you take a job actively involving yourself in politics, you're a politician and whatever you claim your day job is can only be described as a hobby.


I really haven't been paying much attention to whatever he's up to since he wrote "The Folk on The Fringe" stuff which I couldn't get interested in. I wasn't aware he was on the board of the National Organization for Marriage until you just said that, actually. I wasn't aware of NOM's existence until I read this article. I am aware that there are all these haters out there that like to spend their free time worrying about the sexual behavior and preferences of others, they like to form groups with vaguely patriotic names, and they occassionally send missives to the press expressing their misplaced sense of outrage. The press, of course, welcomes this because it helps keep the "controversy" alive.

My reaction is usually "Oh, hating on gays is still a thing with some people nowadays? Weird." I was surprised to find out he is one of them. I can't say I was personally disappointed in him since I don't know the guy. It doesn't make their message any more relevant or credible. It may sound like I'm indifferent to the humanitarian issues involved, and I am indeed not. But I just can't get outraged at every little thing the press informs us we should be outraged at in order to be a good citizen, you know? These NOM folks will be at most a footnote in history, and I can't be bothered to keep abreast of their shenanigans.

For what it's worth, I don't recall ever purchasing an OSC book; I borrowed heavily from the library. So I'm not entirely morally compromised.
 
2013-02-16 10:40:31 PM

Xyphoid: The Church is teaching a lot of things that I don't believe are right...

There are people trying to fix things from the inside, and while I don't expect people to just tolerate bigotry, you don't have to react in such a way that it drives more people to bigotry or makes it harder to fix the bigots.


That's fine, but it doesn't really address the point.  If the church is teaching things, then it's perfectly reasonable to attack the church as a whole, even if all of the members might not agree.  Until it either stops teaching them, or the people that are trying to fix things succeed, its message is still being broadcast.

I also don't agree that the reactions are what leads more people to bigotry.  If anything, it leads people away, as they come to the realization that their viewpoints are no longer socially acceptable.
 
2013-02-16 10:41:04 PM

Lee451: OSC's views on homnosexuality are no more radical than most of the views here on Christians/Conservatives.

/Call me wrong.


I can do better than that, I can call you a Goddamn idiot! And blocked!

Nobody sane here is suggesting that Christians have no right to exist, no right to marry who they love, no right to be treated as fully human or as full American citizens. They are also <i>not demanding that other peoples' lives and liberties are subject to the whims of their personal interpretations of their holy text, which are not even shared by all members of their own religion.</i> Because that's something that only narrow-minded, arch-conservative, terroristic zealots do while hiding behind their less radical brethren and pretending that people are persecuting their entire religion.

I don't have a problem with <i>most</i> Christians. I have a problem with you, just <i>you</i>, because you think it's your right and your destiny to control the lives of everyone around you based on spurious, misinterpreted, cherry-picked rules-lawyered bullshiat.

Try again.
 
2013-02-16 10:42:26 PM
...and I didn't know to set it to Raw HTML. Thanks a LOT, new interface.
 
2013-02-16 10:52:25 PM

neongoats: That's because that series was literally the Book of Mormon played out in space. From character names to plot resolutions.


It amazes me that people can take the Book of Mormon seriously and even shoehorn it into the plots of other literary works. I mean, we know, we actually have historical evidence that it was concocted by a con man in order to fleece the rubes and set himself up for life.
 
2013-02-16 10:54:01 PM

Mr. Titanium: Order is very important in reading literature. You should have started by reading Ender's Game and then quit.


This man is not wrong.
 
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