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(Slash Gear)   New MS Office 2013 can't be used on subsequent PCs after first install. Aren't you glad that PCs are flawless examples of modern engineering and never need repair or replacement?   (slashgear.com) divider line 127
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2013-02-16 08:18:11 AM
What constitutes a "new computer?"  Where is the line drawn on modifications or changes to hardware equaling "new computer?"

How does this policy stop me from building 30 of the exact same VM hardware profile and distributing from there?
 
2013-02-16 08:36:54 AM
Looks like I will be using Office 2007 till I die.
 
2013-02-16 08:50:06 AM
Google docs is looking mighty appealing right about now
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 08:55:25 AM
Microsoft seems obsessed with forcing it's customers to do business with other companies.  We need a company to make a usable office suite and put Microsoft out of business where they belong.
 
2013-02-16 09:09:54 AM
Wow, they're serious. I thought this was going to be a troll headline that had omitted OEM licenses.
 
2013-02-16 09:54:35 AM
If only there was some alternative to MS Office. Something that didn't cost an arm and a leg, something not restricted to one computer.

My ears are Open to any suggestions for such a kind of Office software.
 
2013-02-16 10:09:00 AM
Well, I cannot stand this kind of asshattery so I'll never purchase another M$ product again. Unfortunately, I cannot absolve myself from M$ at work.

Congrats Bill.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 11:27:52 AM

Endive Wombat: What constitutes a "new computer?"  Where is the line drawn on modifications or changes to hardware equaling "new computer?"

How does this policy stop me from building 30 of the exact same VM hardware profile and distributing from there?


A new motherboard I believe.
 
2013-02-16 11:36:53 AM
Open Office is perfectly useable .
 
2013-02-16 11:57:05 AM
Is this just a clause in the EULA or is something in the code supposed to enforce it?
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 11:59:59 AM

King Something: My ears are Open to any suggestions for such a kind of Office software.


sithon: Open Office is perfectly useable .


Shhh, You're not supposed to tell anyone there are other options.
 
2013-02-16 12:00:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Is this just a clause in the EULA or is something in the code supposed to enforce it?


It probably phones home during installation.  Once the key is used on a system, that key can only be used on that specific system (usually tied to the motherboard).  If you try installing it on another computer, it will probably give you an error during authentication about the key already being used.
 
2013-02-16 12:01:59 PM

sithon: Open Office is perfectly useable .


OpenOffice.org sort of went downhill after Oracle bought Sun. Most of the devs moved over to LibreOffice, which is the better suite of the two.
 
2013-02-16 12:45:11 PM
Also missing is any real reason to upgrade from a current working license of a previous version.
 
2013-02-16 01:06:44 PM

sithon: Open Office is perfectly useable .


For most users, yes.  But Calc can't run pivot tables out of a SSAS cube as far as I know.
 
2013-02-16 01:21:15 PM
Strike another victory for GPL-licensed software!!

/f*cking microsoft...
 
2013-02-16 01:22:18 PM

syrynxx: Also missing is any real reason to upgrade from a current working license of a previous version.


Just wait 'til they make the file format incompatible with older versions of Office, like they did with 2007/2010.  At least you could download a converter for it...
 
2013-02-16 01:41:26 PM
I think they want to kill off the boxed copy of Office entirely and have everyone use their new subscription-based service instead.

But I don't know that $99 a year is a good deal for most people.
 
2013-02-16 01:51:06 PM
This is actually what the EULA for OEM licenses has been for a long time.  Essentially, they're saying that the only physical media version of Office available is OEM.
 
2013-02-16 02:13:12 PM

BunkyBrewman: Google docs is looking mighty appealing right about now


I've been using Google Drive (formerly Docs) for the past 2 years. Don't miss Office at all.
 
2013-02-16 02:27:54 PM
And every time I buy a new car, I also have to buy new tires, stereo, windows, seats and transmission sold separately!

/Do not tell me it's apples and oranges, punk.
 
2013-02-16 02:31:12 PM
I don't know how this one will be, but how this has worked in the past is that you get to call and get a special activation key if you upgrade your current machine past a certain point. If that upgrade is an upgrade of every component, so be it. Windows 7 works this way now.

In any case, I expect to get even more calls from annoyed friends asking "How do I do herp-derp in Libre Office?"
 
2013-02-16 02:38:04 PM
My question: Has it been cracked yet?
 
2013-02-16 02:45:52 PM
Sounds like an Apple fanboy wrote that headline, doesn't subby?

BTW, I'd watch your Mac if I were you, since China's gotten real handy with Mac-based viruses.
 
2013-02-16 02:46:16 PM

DrRatchet: In any case, I expect to get even more calls from annoyed friends asking "How do I do herp-derp in Libre Office?"


i.imgur.com
"I wanna ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign on the front of my house that said, 'Free Idiot Tech Support?'"
 
2013-02-16 02:48:05 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Looks like I will be using Office 2007 OpenOffice till I die.


For just about every for DRM laden for-profit productivity software suite, there is an open source equivalent.
 
2013-02-16 02:48:46 PM
Microsoft has been trying to implement Software as a Service for years, and end users have been saying, "No thanks." A $100/year office subscription is a lousy value for 99% of home users, who wouldn't tax the functionality of any of the free solutions out there (LibreOffice, Open Office, Google Docs, Office.com).

At the office it's another matter. My company relies on a some Office functionality (particularly Access databases and Excel macros) that would be time-consuming and expensive to replicate in an non MS Office environment.
 
2013-02-16 02:48:58 PM
Here's the real question you should be asking: Why the fark would you even want Office 2013, when there probably hasn't been a new feature you really needed in the past 3 or 4 versions of Office?
 
2013-02-16 02:53:47 PM

GreenAdder: DrRatchet: In any case, I expect to get even more calls from annoyed friends asking "How do I do herp-derp in Libre Office?"

[i.imgur.com image 482x223]
"I wanna ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign on the front of my house that said, 'Free Idiot Tech Support?'"


Oh but I learned in the programmer thread that if I were to deny free tech support to my less computer savvy friends that I'm a selfish asshole.  I'm friends with a car dealership owner and in response I asked him for a free car.  I think he's coming around.
 
2013-02-16 02:56:18 PM

BumpInTheNight: Oh but I learned in the programmer thread that if I were to deny free tech support to my less computer savvy friends that I'm a selfish asshole.


Oh, boy. Sounds like I'm glad I missed that thread.
 
2013-02-16 03:10:32 PM
Looks like MS is taking a play out of EA's book. That should work out well.
 
2013-02-16 03:13:26 PM

xanadian: syrynxx: Also missing is any real reason to upgrade from a current working license of a previous version.

Just wait 'til they make the file format incompatible with older versions of Office, like they did with 2007/2010.  At least you could download a converter for it...


Just for grins, loaded up office 2k and installed the compatibility pack,. Worked on Office 2000. lol
 
2013-02-16 03:16:28 PM
Please lets not start with tales of family wanting annoying free tech support. If I start I may never stop....
 
2013-02-16 03:16:43 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Looks like MS is taking a play out of EA's book. That should work out well.


If they really wanted to pull an EA:
* $1.99 for bold
* $1.99 for italic
* $4.99 for revision tracking
* $9.99 for access to the font market, then $0.99 for each font
* Always-on Internet access required
 
2013-02-16 03:20:00 PM
https://discountedsoftwaresource.com/officetheme.php

This ad was on the FARK site while I was reading this thread.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-16 03:20:14 PM

jayhawk88: Here's the real question you should be asking: Why the fark would you even want Office 2013, when there probably hasn't been a new feature you really needed in the past 3 or 4 versions of Office?


On the business side, if you're dealing with folks who *have* upgraded, sometimes one has to upgrade to be able to use documents they send you. Not a great reason, but it is a real-world one.
 
2013-02-16 03:21:41 PM

BafflerMeal: On the business side, if you're dealing with folks who *have* upgraded, sometimes one has to upgrade to be able to use documents they send you. Not a great reason, but it is a real-world one.


I thought this is why they switched to an XML-based format. Wasn't it to make sure everything could talk to everything in a nice level playing field?
 
2013-02-16 03:26:56 PM
I am calling bullshiat on this one.
/isn't the EULA the same for the 2010 one as well
 
2013-02-16 03:27:39 PM
Whoever is using MS Office deserves what they get.
 
2013-02-16 03:32:47 PM

jbuist: Calc can't run pivot tables out of a SSAS cube as far as I know.


Can Excel?

/Actually asking.
 
2013-02-16 03:33:25 PM
Not to defend MS but I have worked for companies who bought 1 license and installed in on 100+ computers.  When they had the money to pay for it for all.

I get office for 9.99 through a corporate discount, so it was easy to buy it for my three home boxes.

And this is FUD in the highest order.  It is the same rule, you can only install one copy per working device...  Nothing has changed.

As for 2010 if you upgrade, or change to another device, or want and even install it on a usb key, and transfer the ownership to another person...

Also if your OS has the same key, the point is moot.
 
2013-02-16 03:34:17 PM

NeoCortex42: BarkingUnicorn: Is this just a clause in the EULA or is something in the code supposed to enforce it?

It probably phones home during installation.  Once the key is used on a system, that key can only be used on that specific system (usually tied to the motherboard).  If you try installing it on another computer, it will probably give you an error during authentication about the key already being used.


And when it does, you can probably call an activation tech in India and get an activation code in a couple of minutes, like I have done with WinXP in the past. In my experiences all of these activation schemes have really just been designed to be speed bumps for casual piracy, and in reality they usually give legit uses the benefit of the doubt. Not to mention the fact that most people keep computers so long these days that by the time they upgrade their PCs the new version will be out, so it is a non-issue for 90% of computer users.

Also, if you really are worried about using it on multiple computers, why wouldn't you just go for the $100 a year subscription option that lets you install it on up to five Windows or Mac machines at a time? I think it even has an option to authorize and deauthorize computers via a web tool.
 
2013-02-16 03:34:19 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I am calling bullshiat on this one.
/isn't the EULA the same for the 2010 one as well

Eula from 2010


1. OVERVIEW. The software is licensed on a per copy per device basis. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.
2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. One Copy per Device. You may install one copy of the software on one device. That device is the "licensed device."
b. Licensed Device. You may only use one copy of the software on the licensed device at a time.
c. Portable Device. You may install another copy of the software on a portable device for use by the single primary user of the licensed device.

*** Note term 2.c. You can install the software on two computers, a primary device and a portable device (e.g. laptop).

Also, the terms for Office 2010 let you transfer your license to a different computer, or even to a different person. This covers computer upgrades etc:

19. REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE. You may reassign the license to a different device any number of times, but not more than one time every 90 days. If you reassign, that other device becomes the "licensed device." If you retire the licensed device due to hardware failure, you may reassign the license sooner.
20. TRANSFER TO A THIRD PARTY. The first user of the software may make a one-time transfer of the software and this agreement, by transferring the genuine proof of license directly to a third party. The first user must remove the software before transferring it separately from the licensed device. The first user may not retain any copies of the software. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. If the software is an upgrade, any transfer must also include all prior versions of the software.
 
2013-02-16 03:34:44 PM
If only there were some sort of inlet where oceangoing purveyors of booty and sea shanties were able to provide with some means of shattering this dastardly foiling.
 
2013-02-16 03:36:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: GreenAdder: DrRatchet: In any case, I expect to get even more calls from annoyed friends asking "How do I do herp-derp in Libre Office?"

[i.imgur.com image 482x223]
"I wanna ask you a question. When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign on the front of my house that said, 'Free Idiot Tech Support?'"

Oh but I learned in the programmer thread that if I were to deny free tech support to my less computer savvy friends that I'm a selfish asshole.  I'm friends with a car dealership owner and in response I asked him for a free car.  I think he's coming around.


WTF? Those people are asses. I do ask a friend for tech/computer support, but I do in return try to pay. (... He refuses to accept money from me for his help, so I wind up getting wine for him and his wife. Or mead.)
 
2013-02-16 03:37:59 PM
Steam Office?
 
2013-02-16 03:45:01 PM

Rwa2play: Sounds like an Apple fanboy wrote that headline, doesn't subby?

BTW, I'd watch your Mac if I were you, since China's gotten real handy with Mac-based viruses.


Right, because nobody else would ever have a problem with any MS product. You sound like quite the fanboy yourself. Although your second sentence indicates an MS employee who thinks he has to spread anti-Apple FUD.

/not Subby, BTW
 
2013-02-16 03:46:56 PM
PCs run more than MS, Subby. That's kind of their draw. You can do pretty much whatever you want with them.
 
2013-02-16 03:56:51 PM
Libre Office works fine for me. I just forget to change the file before I send it along to my MSOffice friends.

A bunch of us also use Google Docs.... mostly for our DnD game though!
 
2013-02-16 04:00:09 PM

Pud: King Something: My ears are Open to any suggestions for such a kind of Office software.

sithon: Open Office is perfectly useable .

Shhh, You're not supposed to tell anyone there are other options.


In some situations it is. Just don't make anything important in OpenOffice and send it to your manager/client who uses MsOffice. They won't like all the formatting errors that appear and you'll look like a moron who can't be bothered to make sure everything looks decent.

/Happened once, never again
 
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