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(Daily Mail)   Scientists at the Sherlock Holmes Institute for Health discover that putting sugar on wounds... 'can help them heal faster than antibiotics'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 69
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2013-02-16 09:13:31 AM  
That's pretty cool.
 
NFA
2013-02-16 09:17:06 AM  
Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,
 
2013-02-16 09:23:50 AM  
that actually is how it works, sugar absorbs water out of cells (including bacteria) causing them to burst.
 
2013-02-16 09:25:07 AM  
This report from Dr. Mary Poppins.
 
2013-02-16 09:30:34 AM  
Pour some sugar on me.
 
2013-02-16 10:05:07 AM  
My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.
 
2013-02-16 10:07:35 AM  
I cut my index finger pretty badly last weekend - ended up brewing later on that day. My hand spent enough time in star-san solution, that there was no chance of an infection to take hold.

/ Surprisingly, Star-san does not sting...
 
2013-02-16 10:10:18 AM  

Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason.


Maybe drug companies 'advocated' their products better? With$$$$s...
 
D2T [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 10:11:25 AM  
I had a wound from an ingrown toenail that would not heal, no matter how hard I tried. I was still in highschool at the time, so I couldn't really stay off it.

Found an article online that said pack it in sugar and iodine. Healed amazingly fast. shiat works.
 
2013-02-16 10:45:48 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Pour some sugar on me.


Ooh, in the name of love.
 
2013-02-16 12:15:26 PM  
The ancient Egyptians have records of this.
 
2013-02-16 12:22:02 PM  
sweet
 
2013-02-16 12:29:57 PM  
When I get a cut, i like to heat some sugar in a melted paste and rub it on the injured area.
 
2013-02-16 12:31:32 PM  

NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,


Actually, honey is a special case. It doesn't just kill bacteria by the nature of its sugary composition, it also releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.
 
2013-02-16 12:33:15 PM  
.. The most delightful way.
 
2013-02-16 12:34:55 PM  

NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,


In my family, Epsom Salt was the preferred treatment for infected cuts on hands or feet.  You would sleep with a moist wash cloth with Epsom Salt folded up in the center strapped to the cut and a plastic bag over the cloth so the salt and water didn't get everywhere.

By morning, the infection was gone.

I know the use of honey on wounds goes back at least as far as the Egyptians.
 
2013-02-16 12:36:02 PM  
According to non-randomized, non-blinded trial of only 35 people. Sure, it may work, but this does not convince me that it is betterthan antibiotics.
 
2013-02-16 12:36:18 PM  

RexTalionis: NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,

Actually, honey is a special case. It doesn't just kill bacteria by the nature of its sugary composition, it also releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.


serious question - does it only release a small amount or is putting honey in tea actually poisoning a person?
 
2013-02-16 12:41:38 PM  

insano: According to non-randomized, non-blinded trial of only 35 people. Sure, it may work, but this does not convince me that it is betterthan antibiotics.


Ok, it may be a randomized but only among people who had already received antibiotic treatment. Plus the trial is ongoing. If the sugar were demonstrably better than antibiotics, they would stop the trial.
 
2013-02-16 12:41:56 PM  
I prefer to slather myself with marshmallow paste and peanut butter.

No, not when I'm wounded. Just for fun.
 
2013-02-16 12:51:53 PM  

jaggspb: RexTalionis: NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,

Actually, honey is a special case. It doesn't just kill bacteria by the nature of its sugary composition, it also releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

serious question - does it only release a small amount or is putting honey in tea actually poisoning a person?


It releases it in such low amounts that it doesn't harm you, although it helps the antiseptic effect of honey.
 
2013-02-16 01:01:23 PM  
Been used for years and years. No obvious tag?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-16 01:01:27 PM  
I always wondered what would happen if i stuck my ding dong in pop rocks.... brb
 
2013-02-16 01:01:28 PM  
I'm sure this has an obvious answer and is a really dumb question, but would this work with MRSA?

/obvious that I have no clue about basic medicine
 
2013-02-16 01:03:55 PM  

RexTalionis: jaggspb: RexTalionis: NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,

Actually, honey is a special case. It doesn't just kill bacteria by the nature of its sugary composition, it also releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

serious question - does it only release a small amount or is putting honey in tea actually poisoning a person?

It releases it in such low amounts that it doesn't harm you, although it helps the antiseptic effect of honey.


You should really use pasteurized honey if you must use honey though. Infecting yourself with botulism probably not helpful.
 
2013-02-16 01:04:54 PM  

RexTalionis: jaggspb: RexTalionis: NFA: Sugar is a very good anti-bacterial and has been known as such for 100's of years.  That is why people used to pour honey on wounds to heal and prevent infection.  The claim in that article that it heals wounds by drying them out is NOT how it actually works.  Much like salt, bacteria cannot survive in sugar which is why you don't have to refrigerate cake, candy, honey and other sugary foods.  I have a book on preserving foods and preserving foods in sugar has it's own chapter.  As does salt, vinegar, etc, etc,

Actually, honey is a special case. It doesn't just kill bacteria by the nature of its sugary composition, it also releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

serious question - does it only release a small amount or is putting honey in tea actually poisoning a person?

It releases it in such low amounts that it doesn't harm you, although it helps the antiseptic effect of honey.


thanks - [themoreyouknow.jpg]

/that fills my knowledge quota today
//back to porn
 
2013-02-16 01:05:14 PM  

Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.


It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.
 
2013-02-16 01:07:38 PM  
I got shot once and survived by stuffing the gaping wound with Smarties.
 
2013-02-16 01:21:39 PM  
I'm glad this new research into folk medicine has validated something I've been doing for my patients for almost a decade.  Now I can show people some proof rather than just telling them the sugar gremlins eat the nasty-wasties.

/Daily Fail, indeed
 
2013-02-16 01:31:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pour some sugar on me.


I'm hot, sticky sweet
From my head to my feet yeah

/unless, of course, you misheard the lyrics (NSFW-ish)
 
2013-02-16 01:35:16 PM  
obvious? i had no idear
 
2013-02-16 01:39:37 PM  

neongoats: Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.

It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.


Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.
 
2013-02-16 01:42:44 PM  

insano: neongoats: Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.

It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.

Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.


Sounds like someone is on the big pharma-co payroll. Methinks thou dost protest to much.
 
2013-02-16 01:48:54 PM  
Antibiotics aren't about healing wounds, Daily Fail.  They're about preventing infection.
 
2013-02-16 01:49:55 PM  

SpdrJay: I got shot once and survived by stuffing the gaping wound with Smarties.


I ran into you in another thread earlier.  You're the guy with the dick piercing.  You never got back to me on whether or not you still had only one stream.  You're a bit obsessed with adding unnatural holes to your body, eh?
 
2013-02-16 01:50:02 PM  

insano: Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.


The benefits of sugar or honey in contaminated wound management are well known.  Do a pubmed search and you'll find plenty of papers.  The guy is kind of right- big pharma did bring out a bunch of expensive preparations, but table sugar works just as well.  Sugar is pretty much sugar, so "quality" isn't an issue.  They all create a hyperosmolar environment, which is what you're after.
 
2013-02-16 01:50:22 PM  

insano: neongoats: Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.

It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.

Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.


As some have mentioned, people often combine sugar with betadine or iodine, add to the fact that nothing can live in sugar I am sure it's more than enough protection. if anything it's a liability issue the hospital wants to avoid. hell it's not hard to make a simple syrup and let it boil for a few minutes and use that instead.
 
2013-02-16 01:50:59 PM  
Putting sugar everywhere?
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2013-02-16 01:51:37 PM  

neongoats: insano: neongoats: Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.

It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.

Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.

Sounds like someone is on the big pharma-co payroll. Methinks thou dost protest to much.


Methinks you sound like a home-remedy wackadoo who sees conspiracies where there aren't any. I also object to bad scientific reporting. If this trial proves that sugar is better than antibiotics, that's great, but this trial doesn't prove that. BTW, a 16 oz thing of betadine and a tub of sugar costs about as much as a tube of neosporin and you don't have to mix the neosporin. Not that neosporin should be used on large wounds, but since you brought it up. It's much more macguyver to do it your way though so that's something.
 
2013-02-16 01:54:16 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Rapmaster2000: Pour some sugar on me.

I'm hot, sticky sweet
From my head to my feet yeah

/unless, of course, you misheard the lyrics (NSFW-ish)


Now if sugar could just regrow an arm, then we'd be in business.
 
2013-02-16 01:54:56 PM  
When i was in school, one of my instructors was reasearching old folk remedies amongst the poor.

Got a burn? Tallow, iodine, turpentine. Now you've got a healing burn.
 
2013-02-16 01:55:17 PM  

mutterfark: I'm sure this has an obvious answer and is a really dumb question, but would this work with MRSA?

/obvious that I have no clue about basic medicine


It would work on any bacteria. It's a matter of osmotic pressure only.
 
2013-02-16 01:58:33 PM  

EbolaNYC: As some have mentioned, people often combine sugar with betadine or iodine, add to the fact that nothing can live in sugar I am sure it's more than enough protection. if anything it's a liability issue the hospital wants to avoid. hell it's not hard to make a simple syrup and let it boil for a few minutes and use that instead.


If they can use this method and it works better than antibiotics then that's great, especially if it shows effects for those who don't respond to antibiotics. I doubt it's a conspiracy though. Like you said, probably issue of liability.
 
2013-02-16 01:59:37 PM  

insano: insano: According to non-randomized, non-blinded trial of only 35 people. Sure, it may work, but this does not convince me that it is betterthan antibiotics.

Ok, it may be a randomized but only among people who had already received antibiotic treatment. Plus the trial is ongoing. If the sugar were demonstrably better than antibiotics, they would stop the trial.


Umm, no they wouldn't. That's not how science works.
 
2013-02-16 02:00:22 PM  
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2013-02-16 02:01:12 PM  

insano: EbolaNYC: As some have mentioned, people often combine sugar with betadine or iodine, add to the fact that nothing can live in sugar I am sure it's more than enough protection. if anything it's a liability issue the hospital wants to avoid. hell it's not hard to make a simple syrup and let it boil for a few minutes and use that instead.

If they can use this method and it works better than antibiotics then that's great, especially if it shows effects for those who don't respond to antibiotics. I doubt it's a conspiracy though. Like you said, probably issue of liability.


Well let's be clear. This will not supplant antibiotice for internal infections. One is not going to pour sugar into someone's lungs for instance.
 
2013-02-16 02:05:34 PM  

dave2198: insano: insano: According to non-randomized, non-blinded trial of only 35 people. Sure, it may work, but this does not convince me that it is betterthan antibiotics.

Ok, it may be a randomized but only among people who had already received antibiotic treatment. Plus the trial is ongoing. If the sugar were demonstrably better than antibiotics, they would stop the trial.

Umm, no they wouldn't. That's not how science works.


That is, in fact, how science works. To get a trial approved, you need to demonstrate genuine uncertainty about whether treatment A is better than treatment B. If a trial's results show you that treatment A works better than treatment B beyond uncertainty, then you have no more clinical equipoise and no more justification for continuing the trial.
 
2013-02-16 02:06:04 PM  

insano: neongoats: insano: neongoats: Dufus: My family has used this old home remedy for as long as I can remember.

Johns Hopkins advocated it back 20 years ago and some of the hospitals around the New Orleans area used it back then. Then it faded from use for some reason. The procedure back then was to make a paste with Betadine to hold it in place better. Even people who had trouble healing like diabetics responded surprisingly well.

It didn't make some pharma company billions, so they replaced it with neosporin.

Please show me where in this article (besides the headline) it says that sugar treatment has been proven to work better than antibiotics. All the article says is that 35 people have received the treatment and have not had adverse effects. The trial is ongoing, not to mention that the article implies that everyone in the trial has already been treated with antibiotics which could mean selection bias in the results.  Also it seems that the doctor leading the trial is either in charge of selecting people into the study or measuring their progress which is an issue.

All this aside, how could you recommend the use of sugar when the quality of sugar can not be ensured. The sugar used in this trial is sanitized, it's not the kind you get from the grocery store. But no, it's a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies.

Sounds like someone is on the big pharma-co payroll. Methinks thou dost protest to much.

Methinks you sound like a home-remedy wackadoo who sees conspiracies where there aren't any. I also object to bad scientific reporting. If this trial proves that sugar is better than antibiotics, that's great, but this trial doesn't prove that. BTW, a 16 oz thing of betadine and a tub of sugar costs about as much as a tube of neosporin and you don't have to mix the neosporin. Not that neosporin should be used on large wounds, but since you brought it up. It's much more macguyver to do it your way though so that's something.


What are you, the Paris Hilton of the neosporin fortune? It's cute of you to paint me as some kind of paranoid homeopathy fark more akin to a Christian Scientist than a human, but grab a slice of reality here guy. Did you even RTFA? I'm guessing no, since you are a knee jerking fark that takes total snark seriously.
 
2013-02-16 02:10:07 PM  

insano: dave2198: insano: insano: According to non-randomized, non-blinded trial of only 35 people. Sure, it may work, but this does not convince me that it is betterthan antibiotics.

Ok, it may be a randomized but only among people who had already received antibiotic treatment. Plus the trial is ongoing. If the sugar were demonstrably better than antibiotics, they would stop the trial.

Umm, no they wouldn't. That's not how science works.

That is, in fact, how science works. To get a trial approved, you need to demonstrate genuine uncertainty about whether treatment A is better than treatment B. If a trial's results show you that treatment A works better than treatment B beyond uncertainty, then you have no more clinical equipoise and no more justification for continuing the trial.


That's not really how it works and you should know it. We would have barely surpassed aspirin and penicillin if medical research thought that way.
 
2013-02-16 02:16:16 PM  

neongoats: That's not really how it works and you should know it. We would have barely surpassed aspirin and penicillin if medical research thought that way.


Of course that's how it works. Penicillin worked really well compared to the treatments they had at the time and thus became the standard treatment. If I conducted a trial of a new alternative to penicillin and early results suggested that it worked much better than penicillin, it would be unethical for me to continue to give patients penicillin.
 
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