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(DoctorWho.TV)   It's about time. Landmark Doctor Who story 'The Tenth Planet' finally coming to DVD with animated fourth episode   (doctorwho.tv) divider line 24
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2013-02-16 08:46:43 AM
I'm guessing the animation will dissolve into the actual surviving clip for the regeneration.

And that's great to hear, especially since there's rumors The Ice Warriors is just getting shoved out on DVD with the shiatty old VHS still photos and narration reconstruction.
 
2013-02-16 08:49:04 AM
Is the animation any good? I havent seen what they did for reign of terror
 
2013-02-16 09:03:55 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Is the animation any good? I havent seen what they did for reign of terror


I'm going by the job they did for Invasion back in '05, and it's decent.

Some people just hate Flash animation to begin with, but forget them. The characters are a decent approximation of the actual actors, since the episodes missing had locations that were established or seen later on, it was easy enough for them to do the backgrounds accurately, they eventually were able to get shooting scripts, so they had that extra bit to work from, and in the end, any animation is going to be better than some still photos and someone telling you what's going on in the background when there's no dialogue.
 
2013-02-16 09:08:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Some people just hate Flash animation to begin with, but forget them.


Flash animation looks cheap, but with well-done characters, you don't mind that. And c'mon, this is Doctor Who- it's  supposed to look cheap!
 
2013-02-16 09:10:51 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Is the animation any good? I havent seen what they did for reign of terror


Looked up the inevitable shaky camera clips on youtube.  I think I now have a mental picture of what British anime is.
 
2013-02-16 09:19:25 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Dead for Tax Reasons: Is the animation any good? I havent seen what they did for reign of terror

I'm going by the job they did for Invasion back in '05, and it's decent.

Some people just hate Flash animation to begin with, but forget them. The characters are a decent approximation of the actual actors, since the episodes missing had locations that were established or seen later on, it was easy enough for them to do the backgrounds accurately, they eventually were able to get shooting scripts, so they had that extra bit to work from, and in the end, any animation is going to be better than some still photos and someone telling you what's going on in the background when there's no dialogue.


I like what was done with the invasion, but cosgrove hall did that, and they are no longer around. are these people the same but under a new name?
 
2013-02-16 09:20:52 AM

Oysterman: Dead for Tax Reasons: Is the animation any good? I havent seen what they did for reign of terror

Looked up the inevitable shaky camera clips on youtube.  I think I now have a mental picture of what British anime is.


Yeah I watched that but it looked more like a preview than the finished product (or so I hope based on the content)
 
2013-02-16 09:51:47 AM
We need more Paul McGann episodes.
 
2013-02-16 10:44:00 AM
Animate my balls.
 
2013-02-16 12:07:49 PM
 
2013-02-16 12:28:56 PM
For those of you who want a preview of how the Reign of Terror looked, here's the best example I could find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_5ZJ3n8BI&t=3m53s

Also this:

2.bp.blogspot.com

British anime indeed.  Still, it's full motion and looks better than old episodes of Voltron, and I used to watch the crap out of that.  Beats the hell out of still pictures with text.
 
2013-02-16 12:50:28 PM
They should retitle it The Ninth Planet so it doesn't seem dated.
 
2013-02-16 12:59:04 PM
This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!
 
2013-02-16 01:15:04 PM

BalugaJoe: We need more Paul McGann episodes.


Big Finish Audio plays
 
2013-02-16 02:20:14 PM

melopene: This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!


Hear hear!  Toughton's got some of the most tragically incomplete serials, like Fury From the Deep (introduced the Sonic Screwdriver, also scary as hell) or The Dalek's Master Plan (a 12-episode unparalleled epic, and also the longest serial in Doctor Who).  They already did The Invasion, which wasn't at the top of that "epic" list but was definitely worth doing (and probably easier to animate because of the re-used locations).  Lots more gold is left in the Troughton era, waiting to be restored.

I was worried when they first did The Invasion that it would be a one-off and we'd be stuck with the existing still-frame/narration reconstructions forever.  I'm freakin' thrilled that this seems to not be the case.  One day it looks like we'll be able to watch all of Doctor Who start to finish without having to get on our reading glasses for the "action" in certain episodes in the middle.
 
2013-02-16 03:28:11 PM

yukichigai: melopene: This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!

Hear hear!  Toughton's got some of the most tragically incomplete serials, like Fury From the Deep (introduced the Sonic Screwdriver, also scary as hell) or The Dalek's Master Plan (a 12-episode unparalleled epic, and also the longest serial in Doctor Who).  They already did The Invasion, which wasn't at the top of that "epic" list but was definitely worth doing (and probably easier to animate because of the re-used locations).  Lots more gold is left in the Troughton era, waiting to be restored.

I was worried when they first did The Invasion that it would be a one-off and we'd be stuck with the existing still-frame/narration reconstructions forever.  I'm freakin' thrilled that this seems to not be the case.  One day it looks like we'll be able to watch all of Doctor Who start to finish without having to get on our reading glasses for the "action" in certain episodes in the middle.


There have been no concrete announcements on whether the two or three Troughton serials that could be animated under the "2 or less, or no more than half the serial missing" rule that's been hinted at will be animated.

In fact, last week there was a rumor that The Ice Warriors, a 6 part serial with 2 missing episodes, and will tie into a current Matt Smith episode, will be released with the two episodes still using the old still photo plus narration reconstruction.

But, with The Tenth Planet announced for animation it gives hope again that Ice Warriors, Underwater Menace, and The Moonbase could be completed with animation.

/although, Ice Warriors is the only one left with only 2 out of 6 missing, as the other animated serials so far have been. The other two I mentioned are 4 part serials with 2 episodes missing. But, Underwater Menace's second episode was just found and is still unreleased, so what better way to release it for the first time than as part of an animated reconstruction?
//And if they do that, there's one more Hartnell serial that could be completed with animation.
 
2013-02-16 07:47:41 PM
I really liked Cosgrove Hall's reconstruction of Tenth Planet. I...didn't really like Theta Sigma's reconstruction of Reign of Terror. Early-days Doctor Who is very deliberate and talky and mounted on tiny sets in a miniscule studio. The shot-as-live format meant a lot of lengthy shots, as well. The Theta Sigma reconstruction had a lot of fast cuts and extreme close-ups and seemed very poorly edited - in places looking like flash, and in other places looking like rotoscopy. I thought it was uneven. Still, it gave you something to look at while watching the audio...
 
2013-02-17 01:13:44 AM

yukichigai: melopene: This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!

Hear hear!  Toughton's got some of the most tragically incomplete serials, like Fury From the Deep (introduced the Sonic Screwdriver, also scary as hell) or The Dalek's Master Plan (a 12-episode unparalleled epic, and also the longest serial in Doctor Who).  They already did The Invasion, which wasn't at the top of that "epic" list but was definitely worth doing (and probably easier to animate because of the re-used locations).  Lots more gold is left in the Troughton era, waiting to be restored.

I was worried when they first did The Invasion that it would be a one-off and we'd be stuck with the existing still-frame/narration reconstructions forever.  I'm freakin' thrilled that this seems to not be the case.  One day it looks like we'll be able to watch all of Doctor Who start to finish without having to get on our reading glasses for the "action" in certain episodes in the middle.


Daleks' Master Plan was Hartnell.
 
2013-02-17 02:11:59 AM

sirbissel: yukichigai: melopene: This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!

Hear hear!  Toughton's got some of the most tragically incomplete serials, like Fury From the Deep (introduced the Sonic Screwdriver, also scary as hell) or The Dalek's Master Plan (a 12-episode unparalleled epic, and also the longest serial in Doctor Who).  They already did The Invasion, which wasn't at the top of that "epic" list but was definitely worth doing (and probably easier to animate because of the re-used locations).  Lots more gold is left in the Troughton era, waiting to be restored.

Daleks' Master Plan was Hartnell.


Yeah the missing Troughton one you're probably thinking of is 'Power Of The Daleks'. That was his first. I think there's very little of that story surviving though. I'm very glad we're finally getting some more of these animated reconstructed episodes. I thought they did a great with The Invasion and I was psyched for more then... nothing. I think this is the last year of 2 Entertain's contract on the Who DVDs so I don't know what that means for the future.
 
2013-02-17 05:29:04 AM

Smashed Hat: sirbissel: yukichigai: melopene: This is good news. Now, they need to get onto the animations of Troughton's era!

Hear hear!  Toughton's got some of the most tragically incomplete serials, like Fury From the Deep (introduced the Sonic Screwdriver, also scary as hell) or The Dalek's Master Plan (a 12-episode unparalleled epic, and also the longest serial in Doctor Who).  They already did The Invasion, which wasn't at the top of that "epic" list but was definitely worth doing (and probably easier to animate because of the re-used locations).  Lots more gold is left in the Troughton era, waiting to be restored.

Daleks' Master Plan was Hartnell.

Yeah the missing Troughton one you're probably thinking of is 'Power Of The Daleks'. That was his first. I think there's very little of that story surviving though. I'm very glad we're finally getting some more of these animated reconstructed episodes. I thought they did a great with The Invasion and I was psyched for more then... nothing. I think this is the last year of 2 Entertain's contract on the Who DVDs so I don't know what that means for the future.


I don't know if it's their last year on a contract, since 2 entertain is owned by BBC. However, this is the last year for classic Who releases, because they are out of classic serials to release.

The few I mentioned are the last ones that are candidates for animation, and the last few complete serials are already scheduled for release.

So, 2013 is it for classic Who on DVD because it's all been released.
 
2013-02-17 03:16:05 PM

peasandcarrots: I really liked Cosgrove Hall's reconstruction of Tenth Planet. I...didn't really like Theta Sigma's reconstruction of Reign of Terror. Early-days Doctor Who is very deliberate and talky and mounted on tiny sets in a miniscule studio. The shot-as-live format meant a lot of lengthy shots, as well. The Theta Sigma reconstruction had a lot of fast cuts and extreme close-ups and seemed very poorly edited - in places looking like flash, and in other places looking like rotoscopy. I thought it was uneven. Still, it gave you something to look at while watching the audio...


Yeah, it did seem to be a bit "updated for modern audiences", but at the same time animation has never been able to have long shots like live action has.  While the long shots would look believable in live action, in animation it would make you thing "Jesus, how cheap are these people being?"

I do think there is a valid point to be made about how the general tone of the rest of the serial won't match the animated episodes.  The problem is that no matter what is done that will be  true, because animation itself has a very different tone from live action in most cases.   It's still a huge step up from watching Loose Cannon Reconstructions.

sirbissel: Daleks' Master Plan was Hartnell.


Smashed Hat: Yeah the missing Troughton one you're probably thinking of is 'Power Of The Daleks'. That was his first. I think there's very little of that story surviving though. I'm very glad we're finally getting some more of these animated reconstructed episodes. I thought they did a great with The Invasion and I was psyched for more then... nothing. I think this is the last year of 2 Entertain's contract on the Who DVDs so I don't know what that means for the future.


Yeah, my bad on that.  The problem is that the Daleks' Master Plan is one of the few I haven't "watched", simply because there are SO many episodes missing and there's SO much action that the LC Recon method is especially painful.  It's fine for most of the reconstructed episodes, but not that one.

FirstNationalBastard: I don't know if it's their last year on a contract, since 2 entertain is owned by BBC. However, this is the last year for classic Who releases, because they are out of classic serials to release.

The few I mentioned are the last ones that are candidates for animation, and the last few complete serials are already scheduled for release.

So, 2013 is it for classic Who on DVD because it's all been released.


They've re-released serials though, and as formats change there are new releases.  While it may be it for Who on DVD, there's still Blu-Ray, and after that there will be whatever else comes down the pipe in terms of home video technology.

I'm not saying we'll see Doctor Who completely available in full-motion anytime soon, but given the success of the recent efforts I'm sure it will happen eventually.  It's been too popular not to, although it may have to wait until it becomes cost-effective to animate more than 2 missing episodes per serial.
 
2013-02-17 03:31:51 PM

yukichigai: peasandcarrots: I really liked Cosgrove Hall's reconstruction of Tenth Planet. I...didn't really like Theta Sigma's reconstruction of Reign of Terror. Early-days Doctor Who is very deliberate and talky and mounted on tiny sets in a miniscule studio. The shot-as-live format meant a lot of lengthy shots, as well. The Theta Sigma reconstruction had a lot of fast cuts and extreme close-ups and seemed very poorly edited - in places looking like flash, and in other places looking like rotoscopy. I thought it was uneven. Still, it gave you something to look at while watching the audio...

Yeah, it did seem to be a bit "updated for modern audiences", but at the same time animation has never been able to have long shots like live action has.  While the long shots would look believable in live action, in animation it would make you thing "Jesus, how cheap are these people being?"

I do think there is a valid point to be made about how the general tone of the rest of the serial won't match the animated episodes.  The problem is that no matter what is done that will be  true, because animation itself has a very different tone from live action in most cases.   It's still a huge step up from watching Loose Cannon Reconstructions.

sirbissel: Daleks' Master Plan was Hartnell.

Smashed Hat: Yeah the missing Troughton one you're probably thinking of is 'Power Of The Daleks'. That was his first. I think there's very little of that story surviving though. I'm very glad we're finally getting some more of these animated reconstructed episodes. I thought they did a great with The Invasion and I was psyched for more then... nothing. I think this is the last year of 2 Entertain's contract on the Who DVDs so I don't know what that means for the future.

Yeah, my bad on that.  The problem is that the Daleks' Master Plan is one of the few I haven't "watched", simply because there are SO many episodes missing and there's SO much action that the LC Recon method is especially painful.  It's fine ...


You could always watch the horrible animation of  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zArxFBviMto
 
2013-02-18 06:12:36 AM
If we ever invent time travel, or can "borrow" a TARDIS, we should travel back in time and prevent the destruction of the early episodes.

The universe will compensate for the consequences. The workload will be shifted from animating what's missing to digitizing what's available. No net jobs will be lost. Basement dwelling will also continue as usual.
 
2013-02-18 02:13:48 PM
Is there a sc-fi short story where we travel out into interstellar space far enough to set up recording stations to intercept classic TV broadcasts that have been lost to history?

If not, then I freely grant this idea to anyone that wants to take a crack at writing it.
 
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