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(CNN)   A Mississippi couple demanded that their newborn not be handled by African-American personnel. Did I say Mississippian? I meant Michigan. Stupid north   (cnn.com) divider line 85
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2013-02-16 08:42:04 AM
16 votes:

MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.


This

Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race. When the parents made the request, the hospital should have told the parents to go fark themselves and there was nothing that could be done about it instead of going about breaking the law.

The hospital is in the wrong on this. There is no excuse.
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 08:33:49 AM
12 votes:

Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.


Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.
2013-02-16 09:13:25 AM
9 votes:

cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.


This. The hospital has an obligation to put quality-of-care first, not to indulge some racists childish rodentine feelings. This means making sure that the best qualified people are allowed to do their jobs.
2013-02-16 09:32:18 AM
8 votes:
I feel sorry for the kid. Gonna be a rough life being raised by a moronic prick.
2013-02-16 07:17:44 AM
8 votes:

Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.
2013-02-16 06:36:46 AM
8 votes:
Sure.  You guys have old fashioned racists in the South, but up here?  We've got Nazis.
2013-02-16 07:23:16 AM
6 votes:
Wonder what would have happened if the hospital's only doctor specializing in whatever's wrong with the kid was black?
2013-02-16 12:58:08 PM
5 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.


No, fark that guy.  You shouldn't cater to racist dickheads no matter what business you're in.  They should've said too farking bad a hospital is not a goddamn burger king where you get it your way.
2013-02-16 11:04:29 AM
4 votes:

vpb: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
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Yes it is stupider.

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.
2013-02-16 10:53:17 AM
4 votes:
dl.dropbox.com
2013-02-16 10:06:31 AM
4 votes:
Racists are everywhere, subby.  You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.  I grew up in Chicago, and it's one of the most segregated cities I've ever seen.  That said, I think it's high time we started treating racism like the mental illness that it is.  I mean, you're so full of hate for ________, you don't want them coming into contact with your child?  Your brain isn't working correctly.  Something's wrong, and it needs to be fixed.
2013-02-16 09:15:05 AM
4 votes:
Pointy headed Dad should have had Klan members deliver the kid at home if he didn't want no nubians touching his babby...
2013-02-16 01:28:55 PM
3 votes:

Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


No.  She's suing because the hospital denied her the opportunity and the ability to perform her JOB based on her RACE.  Last time I checked, that's highly illegal, and being white is not a requirement to perform the job successfully with/ without accomodation.  And this is like HR 101, folks.

The racist douche...is a douche.  But the management in that hospital are a bunch of morans.

/for the record I would have assigned the douchebag's baby a flaming gay male nurse and told him to shove it.
2013-02-16 11:33:19 AM
3 votes:
What makes this nazi look even more stupid is, historically back in the slave trade days, some slaves were trained as midwives and nurses.  If he learned to read, he would have known this and RN on her name tag meant an educated professional.  Other than long wait time in the pediatric after hours clinic(not unusual), I never had a problem with Hurley.  Didn't care for Genesis, never dealt with McClaren( I don't think they have a maternity ward), so his kid was better off at Hurley in spite of this guy and his sister/cousin.

I don't think this will hurt the nurse's career, and I hope she gets her point made.
2013-02-16 10:08:09 AM
3 votes:

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


They got better branding.  They only care about the budget now!

www.michiganteapartyalliance.com
2013-02-16 06:53:19 AM
3 votes:
Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.
2013-02-16 06:24:33 AM
3 votes:
No, you said Mississippi.
2013-02-16 09:12:15 PM
2 votes:
What if the patient was a women and she was going to be seen by a male doctor but she asked for a female doctor instead cuz she felt more comfortable with a woman doctor? Could the male doctor sue the hospital for discrimination?
2013-02-16 02:08:57 PM
2 votes:
Southern buddy once told me, "Southerners hate black people as a race, but love them individually.  Yankees hate black people individually, but love them as a race."

Sounds pretty accurate to me.
2013-02-16 01:13:30 PM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.


Yes yes its really hard being a white male in modern america (well anytime in history ever)...  cry moar
2013-02-16 01:02:32 PM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Sure.  You guys have old fashioned racists in the South, but up here?  We've got Nazis.


Just as many racists up north, they just hide it better, the south is more honest about it.

Hank Aaron said in his book he preferred the south because you knew where you stood before you went into a place, up north you never knew until they refused or insulted you with their actions.
2013-02-16 11:11:21 AM
2 votes:
cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.
2013-02-16 10:54:03 AM
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.


To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.
2013-02-16 10:35:54 AM
2 votes:

ajgeek: The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.

Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.


What?
2013-02-16 10:35:47 AM
2 votes:
They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.  I assume this is like any other state, really.

This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.
2013-02-16 10:34:01 AM
2 votes:

Spad31: Racism happens across every culture


It doesn't.
2013-02-16 10:33:45 AM
2 votes:
The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.

Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.
2013-02-16 10:28:05 AM
2 votes:

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


They kind of did make a comeback, in that they were accused of planning to overthrow the US government and arrested.  The judge acquitted them last year because, well, the people in the mugshots don't really represent a serious threat to the USA.

Link to that story.
2013-02-16 10:12:35 AM
2 votes:
The hospital should have told this idiot skinhead to go pound sand from the jump, but I'm not sure what this case is worth in terms of damages.
2013-02-18 03:54:17 AM
1 votes:

cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being.


Do you know who else said that people lost the right to be treated like humans due to their beliefs?

My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.

But, then you'd be dead.
2013-02-17 02:46:49 PM
1 votes:
I really hope there is another "fundy pharmacist refuses to dispense birth control" thread hard on the heels of this one, because the resultant hypocrisy would be lulzy as fark.
2013-02-17 08:58:23 AM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.


THIS.
I'd ten times rather be a racist than a coward- a racist may be educated out of his or her stupidity, a coward is a coward for life.
2013-02-17 03:27:37 AM
1 votes:

DrPainMD: TheEdibleSnuggie: She's suing because the hospital denied her the opportunity and the ability to perform her JOB based on her RACE.

Nowhere in the article does it even remotely suggest that.


Actually, it says just the opposite. She was reassigned, meaning that she continued to do her job. The hospital did not discriminate against her in any way, shape or form.
2013-02-16 10:57:40 PM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: omeganuepsilon: Wayne 985: The black nurse wasn't qualified?

Did i say that?

You are in possession of some very faulty reasoning skills if that's what you think I meant.
/troll harder

"Put healing ahead", etc. If the black nurse was qualified, healing would've taken place. Therefore, it isn't a concern. The concern is your ready and eager capitulation to hatred and ignorance by penalizing a good worker.

As they say about Fox News, you might not be racist, but you're #1 with them. The next time some buffoon wants a provider or a business to step on people for being black or female or Jewish, he can rest assured that you have his back.


You're just fabricating an argument here, the argument you want to argue against, and blithely ignoring what I am actually saying.  I believe that's called a straw man.  That you're painting me in a negative light is also an appeal to spite.  Both of which are invalid tactics when it comes to proving a point with logic.

Hospitals accommodate assholes all of the time, of all flavors.  They do it because they take the hypocratic or a similar oath, which dissalows them to interfere or preach to those that are actually in need of healing, to keep their heads out of anything of the sort.  If you'd have read my previous posts honestly and with an iota of intellect you'd understand why.

They are supposed to take a benevolent path in regards to dealing with patients/guardians in all aspects of the patients/guardians lives.

Here's a neat nurses pledge.   International Council of Nurses' Pledge
http://www.snjourney.com/Newsletter/Articles/PinPledge.htm
"In the full knowledge of the task I am undertaking, I promise to take care of the sick with all the skill and understanding I possess, without regard to race, creed, color, politics, or social status, sparing no effort to conserve life, to alleviate suffering, and promote health.

I will respect at all times the dignity and religious beliefs of the patients entrusted in my care, holding in confidence all personal information entrusted to me and refraining from any action which might endanger life or health.

I will endeavor to keep my professional knowledge and skill at the highest level and give loyal support and cooperation to all members of the health team."


Note that second line.
I will respect at all times the dignity and religious beliefs of the patients entrusted in my care, holding in confidence all personal information entrusted to me and refraining from any action which might endanger life or health.

That's why religious people can choose a doctor of the same beliefs, why a female can ask to have only females attend her,  etc.

What's more, is that it is also in the policy of many hospitals, because founders of the hospital recognize the importance of remaining impartial that that which they find distasteful.

That is what the hospitals and staff that deal with the patient sign up for.  If they don't like it, they can find a different job.  The job has that ethical sacrifice inherent in it's very concept.  Letting politics into the arena can quickly lead a corruption of the healing that they are supposed to carry out.  You do whatever you have to to promote the well being and peace of mind of the patient/guardian, to include maintaining a stress free environment to the best of your ability as that promotes healing.

The only actual exceptions are legal requirements, which amounts to reporting crime, and not committing any(Ie not giving unauthorized drugs, etc)

There is a reason for a certain amount of tolerance in that profession, especially when it comes to things that are legally not defined, as anyone with a shred of empathy can understand, that it could be you.

Today you propose it is assholes we should refuse(via ultimatum), what happens when the social trends change?  What if the annoying optimism and extreme naivete had a fall from grace and were held in contempt?  Neither affectation is precisely illegal, correct?  Surely, even today, some doctors would rather not treat such people, just as some would rather not treat prejudiced bigots.  But they do, because it's their job, they signed up for that ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and do as needed to serve the patients needs.

What you're doing here is passing a moral judgement, which is in effect no better than the asshole you have a problem with, the same mental trappings and failures.  Liberals the world over fall into the same traps as the most staunch conservatives, the same logic, a different topic.  It's humorous, yet sad, when you see people carry it out.

If that means one nurse switches places with another, where is the harm in that?

She was not "thrown under the bus", indeed, making her work with and next to racists would be throwing her under the bus.

Now, if you want to debate the points I've presented in a rational matter, please do so.  If you want merely to continue and lie, and defame me, you can do that to, but just so you are aware, I've seen people have posts deleted or actually get banned for such things.  I suggest you tread lightly.
2013-02-16 10:25:22 PM
1 votes:
The Hospital did the nurse a favor! Choice (A) look after a racists couples kid which you'll be under a microscope! God forbid the baby gets more sick! Or (B) go take care of another patient whose glad they have you as there nurse! Pays the same..
2013-02-16 06:21:06 PM
1 votes:
Michigan Nazis.

I hate Michigan Nazis!

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2013-02-16 05:34:51 PM
1 votes:
Does anybody remember when you could just go to fark.com for an amusing news story? Me neither.
2013-02-16 05:24:22 PM
1 votes:

Contents Under Pressure: I lived in a white neighborhood. The first black person I ever met was a black nurse when I was hospitalized at a very young age. I loudly announced, "You're a chocolate nurse!" and she threw her head back and laughed. She laughed harder when I said that must mean I'm vanilla. (I had ice cream on the brain) I have had a special spot in my heart for black nurses ever since. Those ninnies missed out is all I can say.


My little brother at the age of 3 took a baby wipe to a black friend of my Uncle's at a party and tried to "clean" him. He had the most confused look on his face when his skin didn't wipe off.

My Mom was mortified but thank god he found it hilarious.
2013-02-16 05:23:27 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.


Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.


omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva


THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
2013-02-16 04:40:59 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men

I have a right to not be examined by a man without necessarily having to hate him or have been abused.


I see you conveniently missed out on the part where I said "half of these women are just private people, or were mistreated."  I wasn't lumping them together as 'mistreated private' people, my point was there's usually a difference between how private OR mistreated women ask for males, compared to the women that scream at the top of their lungs when a male even makes a presence into their room because of some penis vendetta.

A polite request is usually met with polite response and quiet accommodation, my point was some women are just nasty about it.  Men are different, where there are far fewer gender-based requests, and too many of them are usually requests for opposite sex attendants- which isn't usually honored because being a pervert is as legally protected as being racist.
2013-02-16 03:57:11 PM
1 votes:

Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men


I have a right to not be examined by a man without necessarily having to hate him or have been abused.  If I just don't feel like having a man examine me, you have to deal with it.
2013-02-16 03:40:41 PM
1 votes:
It is quite possible that the racists would have left the hospital with their child if their "request" was not honored.
Normally, it wouldn't be that big a deal, but the kid was in the neonatal ICU.
Even then, they can't stop the parents from taking the kid out.

Some administrator had to weigh the risks for the kid vs what is right for the nurse.
It sucks, but I think they got it right.
2013-02-16 03:40:22 PM
1 votes:
Her colleagues should have stood up for her; that's what this is about. The very fact that the legal department made 'em take the "no blacks" note out of the chart is telling. You don't do that, rather you support your staff and tell the Dick Dad to go bark up the medical director's tree.

The hospital deserves to get sued here.
2013-02-16 03:17:21 PM
1 votes:
This is very simple for the hospital to handle when that request is made.

"Sir, we appreciate that you have your belief system.  However, we're unable to honor that request and will keep our nursing staffing and rotations the same based on established procedures and policies.  If you so choose, you're welcome to seek alternate healthcare for your child."

End of discussion.  Move on to the next case.

/a small part of me wishes that the father who made the request had some sort of medical emergency, and the hospital brought in an entire team of African-Americans to provide treatement, and the last thing the guy saw before putting put under for surgery was a very dark, black man holding a scalpel.
2013-02-16 03:04:55 PM
1 votes:
cman:

Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.

False.  All we can do is attempt to not act on our instincts.

For some the fear is so great that they cannot overcome it on our own.  They could no sooner stop their heart from beating by will alone.

With counseling and exposure, we can decrease many "unreasonable" phobia's, but that is not an art we've perfected as of yet.
________

As for the article.  The hospital's purpose is the comfort and treatment of it's customers/patients.  If you want a different doctor or nurse, you get one(if one's available).  They do not exist to enforce acceptance and cultural diversity.

The nurse did not suffer a negative repercussion, such as wrongful termination or temporary loss of wages, she was simply reassigned.

Retarded lawsuit is retarded.

In any case, there is only one situation where the patients/customers should be forced to deal with staff that they dislike, lack of alternatives, be it diversity or skill of the employee.  In that case the hospital would be well within it's rights to say, "She's the only nurse available, so you'll have to deal with it."

Care for the baby is what is important, and if it comes down to the baby being at risk, you re-arrange the staff as needed.  You do not kick the baby out into the street because the parents are assholes.  It may feel dirty in that you're placating the assholes, but when that means better care for the actual patient, it's their duty to remain neutral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
2013-02-16 03:03:59 PM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: Elegy: HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white ...


That data is a little old.

Nonetheless, the South's past history is why it has a bad reputation.
2013-02-16 02:55:03 PM
1 votes:
O hay, is this one of those threads where right wingers find an example of racism in the north and use that to pretend that there's no difference between the north and the south?  Because that's totally sane and has never happened before.
2013-02-16 02:39:01 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.


Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
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And have a comparable number of hate groups
i.imgur.com

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.
2013-02-16 02:37:10 PM
1 votes:
I dunno if anybody said this in the thread yet, but traditional Deep South whites would not have a problem with a black nurse handling a white baby. Who raised all the master's children on the plantation? Not the mistress.
2013-02-16 02:30:03 PM
1 votes:

The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.


Not entirely true:

(On mobile device...)
http://56rebels.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/black-man-with-swastika1. j pg
2013-02-16 02:26:46 PM
1 votes:
This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.
2013-02-16 02:19:19 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.
2013-02-16 02:00:28 PM
1 votes:

ramblinwreck: This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.


They should have handed the babby to the racists and said "sorry, that's who's on duty.  If you don'tlike it, you're welcome to go find another hospital.  Bye."
2013-02-16 01:57:47 PM
1 votes:
To Hospital Staff,

Subject: Vis a vis racist arseholes

When faced with patients or persons accompanying patients who demand that medical personnel be determined by relative values of melanin present in their skin the correct response is, "No. You're welcome to go to a different hospital." It is not "Sure," "Yes," or any other form of acquiescence.

Thanks.

 - Everyone
2013-02-16 01:57:04 PM
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In 20 years as a male nurse I've had exactly one patient not want me to care for her because of my gender. Is it a stupid farking reason? Sure. I'm a great nurse and give great care and she lost out on that, but that was her loss. Their are idiots and jackasses everywhere and if you're going to let your prejudices prevent you or your love ones from getting the best possible care, then ultimately, you're the ones that end up suffering, not me. Suing her employers is stupid, they accomodated the patient/parents while they examined their legal obligations. In today's litigious society, the hospital could have done very little else.It was never a question of the nurses skill or training, it was a racist idiocy that all could recognize for what it is. Sure, you could get into a pissing contest with bigoted morons and that would achieve what exactly (prior to it going through legal)? People need to man the fark up and drive on.
2013-02-16 01:45:44 PM
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Ow! That was my feelings!: I'd rather deal with the Westboro a-holes than some bureaucrat getting to decide what people are allowed to say. Your "human rights commission" speech abuses are well known. Rights shouldn't be based on the "feelings" of politically motivated authoritarians.


Said no one except the racists we don't tolerate, ironic eh? ;)
2013-02-16 01:45:34 PM
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Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.
2013-02-16 01:43:09 PM
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Once in a while, we get a patient that refuses to be treated by a resident. Usually, the attendings will tell them this is a teaching hospital and they agreed to be seen by residents when they signed the consent for treatment the moment they walk through the door.

If they don't like it, they know where the door is.

Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff
2013-02-16 01:40:29 PM
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Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.


But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'
2013-02-16 01:39:12 PM
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ruinevil: The patient controls their medical care, including who touches them. If someone they specifically asked to not touch them touches them, its assault.


Agreed.  I think the hospital would rather see an EEOC complaint than a lawsuit from the patient.  If the nurse in question HAD provided care, the patients would have clear standing to file a complaint or lawsuit.
2013-02-16 01:37:04 PM
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Sorry..... It doesn't matter where you live.

South of the Mason-Dixon line they are called "Rednecks." To the North? They are "Hill Billies." It doesn't matter where they live... The attitudes are still the same.

/Michigander
2013-02-16 01:33:03 PM
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Sigh... posting fail

The hospital in no way has to acquiesce to this person's wishes.  If this impedes the normal workflow or results in a qualified person being replaced with a less qualified one, they are within their rights to tell them "objection noted, we don't care."  Unfortunately, few take this type of stand.
2013-02-16 01:31:24 PM
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Racism is a mental deficiency/disease. Mostly born of fear, but compounded by ignorance, it isn't limited by region. Ignorant cowards can be found almost anywhere.
2013-02-16 01:27:32 PM
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i.qkme.me
2013-02-16 01:26:04 PM
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mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?


It should be.
2013-02-16 01:22:01 PM
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 Sharky66 • Racist will never end it's just crazy part of human nature .What America should do is anyone convicted of racism is have that person publicly stoned to death by the people he or she so hates and only then will racism in America will end.
That'll teach 'em, Sharky! Get your stones! We're gonna show the world what an enlightened country we are.
2013-02-16 01:14:13 PM
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Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


There always are; it's both disappointing and amazing.  Some do it because they know race is a button issue that people can't resist; some do it to get their little half chub from deriding another race.

In any case, I've noticed any thread to do with race brings out the roaches.
2013-02-16 01:13:04 PM
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vpb: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
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So if I want to carry my big scary gun into the hospital while my child is being treated then that is okay with you?

Hospital should have told him that the kid would be cared for by whoever was qualified and on duty, regardless of race.  And then given him the opportunity to take is lil' Hitler and go or leave him to the tender mercies of a multicultural workforce.
2013-02-16 01:03:07 PM
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What Mississippian might look like.
2013-02-16 01:02:55 PM
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Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.




/I agree, beyond being butt hurt, and rightly so, she doesn't have a case. She lost nothing, she was reassigned, not fired, not laid off. She lost not one cent. And we as American's have the right to choose who treats us in the medical field. Doesn't matter why they asked to have her switched out, they have that right. Even though they are racist douche bags.
2013-02-16 01:02:54 PM
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Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.
2013-02-16 01:00:53 PM
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Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.


And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.
2013-02-16 01:00:40 PM
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Spad31: big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


So because it happens in every culture we should tolerate it? Guess we don't need those pesky laws against murder then.
2013-02-16 12:58:39 PM
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TiiiMMMaHHH: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?


1: She's a nurse. That means she had to go to school and pass tests, including practical work in the training hospital she attended.
2: Slave owners in the south had no trouble at all of using blacks as nannies for their kids.
2013-02-16 12:55:55 PM
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Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.


You don't really understand the concept of "ethical standards", do you?
2013-02-16 12:55:41 PM
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In the north, 49% of the population are conservative and 51% liberal. In the south, it's the reverse.

It's a culture struggle between the includers and the excluders.
2013-02-16 12:54:58 PM
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Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.
2013-02-16 12:53:34 PM
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MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.


Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?
2013-02-16 12:38:13 PM
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cman: What?


Never underestimate the overwhelming stupidity of the racist.
2013-02-16 11:13:22 AM
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Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.


It creates an hostile work environment. Not only that the nurse would also suffer from embarrassment of being deemed not good enough to nurse due to her race.
2013-02-16 11:08:41 AM
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cman: WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.

To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.


Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.
2013-02-16 11:06:30 AM
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GreenAdder: They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.  I assume this is like any other state, really.

This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.


Actually, this surprised me a bit.  Not that there are racists around, but him even letting his kid be born at Hurley.  We're not talking barely on the edge of Flint, we're talking downtown less than a mile from MLK part of Flint.  This guy is most likely from Burton and so it surprises me he didn't go to Genesis Hospital in Grand Blanc.  Would be the same distance from him, although Hurley does have a better staff for more severe cases.  They don't call it Burtucky for nothin'.
2013-02-16 10:36:42 AM
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WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.


Really? Examples?
2013-02-16 10:10:40 AM
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What about Teh Ghey? You can catch that too you know.
2013-02-16 06:20:11 AM
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The comments; my god.  FOX has nothing on CNN when it comes to stupid.
 
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