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(CNN)   A Mississippi couple demanded that their newborn not be handled by African-American personnel. Did I say Mississippian? I meant Michigan. Stupid north   (cnn.com) divider line 333
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2013-02-16 06:20:11 AM  
The comments; my god.  FOX has nothing on CNN when it comes to stupid.
 
2013-02-16 06:24:33 AM  
No, you said Mississippi.
 
2013-02-16 06:36:46 AM  
Sure.  You guys have old fashioned racists in the South, but up here?  We've got Nazis.
 
2013-02-16 06:53:19 AM  
Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.
 
2013-02-16 07:01:08 AM  
She should've let the kid have a bit of a suckle. Then it would've caught teh black. No goin' back from that.
 
2013-02-16 07:17:44 AM  

Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.
 
2013-02-16 07:23:16 AM  
Wonder what would have happened if the hospital's only doctor specializing in whatever's wrong with the kid was black?
 
2013-02-16 07:57:56 AM  

cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.


O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 08:33:49 AM  

Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.


Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.
 
2013-02-16 08:42:04 AM  

MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.


This

Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race. When the parents made the request, the hospital should have told the parents to go fark themselves and there was nothing that could be done about it instead of going about breaking the law.

The hospital is in the wrong on this. There is no excuse.
 
2013-02-16 09:11:02 AM  
But the customer is always right!
 
2013-02-16 09:13:25 AM  

cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.


This. The hospital has an obligation to put quality-of-care first, not to indulge some racists childish rodentine feelings. This means making sure that the best qualified people are allowed to do their jobs.
 
2013-02-16 09:15:05 AM  
Pointy headed Dad should have had Klan members deliver the kid at home if he didn't want no nubians touching his babby...
 
2013-02-16 09:32:18 AM  
I feel sorry for the kid. Gonna be a rough life being raised by a moronic prick.
 
2013-02-16 09:44:35 AM  
Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?
 
2013-02-16 10:03:43 AM  
Because racism doesn't exist in the north, says Iowa, second largest population off KKK in the US.
 
2013-02-16 10:06:31 AM  
Racists are everywhere, subby.  You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.  I grew up in Chicago, and it's one of the most segregated cities I've ever seen.  That said, I think it's high time we started treating racism like the mental illness that it is.  I mean, you're so full of hate for ________, you don't want them coming into contact with your child?  Your brain isn't working correctly.  Something's wrong, and it needs to be fixed.
 
2013-02-16 10:08:05 AM  

Coco LaFemme: you don't want them coming into contact with your child?  Your brain isn't working correctly.  Something's wrong, and it needs to be fixed.


I just don't want those darkies to touch my basketball. I'm afraid that I'll never get it back.
 
2013-02-16 10:08:09 AM  

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


They got better branding.  They only care about the budget now!

www.michiganteapartyalliance.com
 
2013-02-16 10:10:40 AM  
What about Teh Ghey? You can catch that too you know.
 
2013-02-16 10:12:35 AM  
The hospital should have told this idiot skinhead to go pound sand from the jump, but I'm not sure what this case is worth in terms of damages.
 
2013-02-16 10:28:05 AM  

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


They kind of did make a comeback, in that they were accused of planning to overthrow the US government and arrested.  The judge acquitted them last year because, well, the people in the mugshots don't really represent a serious threat to the USA.

Link to that story.
 
2013-02-16 10:33:45 AM  
The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.

Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.
 
2013-02-16 10:34:01 AM  

Spad31: Racism happens across every culture


It doesn't.
 
2013-02-16 10:35:47 AM  
They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.  I assume this is like any other state, really.

This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.
 
2013-02-16 10:35:54 AM  

ajgeek: The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.

Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.


What?
 
2013-02-16 10:36:42 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.


Really? Examples?
 
2013-02-16 10:37:53 AM  
His kid needs NURSES to care for it? Pussy. He doesn't deserve to use the same DMV as Ted Nugent
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 10:52:20 AM  

Frederick: The comments; my god.  FOX has nothing on CNN when it comes to stupid.


Zero comments.  My God.
 
2013-02-16 10:53:17 AM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-02-16 10:54:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.


To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 11:00:14 AM  

MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.


No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
.
 
2013-02-16 11:04:29 AM  

vpb: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
.


Yes it is stupider.

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.
 
2013-02-16 11:06:30 AM  

GreenAdder: They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.  I assume this is like any other state, really.

This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.


Actually, this surprised me a bit.  Not that there are racists around, but him even letting his kid be born at Hurley.  We're not talking barely on the edge of Flint, we're talking downtown less than a mile from MLK part of Flint.  This guy is most likely from Burton and so it surprises me he didn't go to Genesis Hospital in Grand Blanc.  Would be the same distance from him, although Hurley does have a better staff for more severe cases.  They don't call it Burtucky for nothin'.
 
2013-02-16 11:08:41 AM  

cman: WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.

To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.


Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.
 
2013-02-16 11:11:21 AM  
cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.
 
2013-02-16 11:11:29 AM  

coco ebert: cman: WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.

To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.

Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.


Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.
 
2013-02-16 11:13:22 AM  

Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.


It creates an hostile work environment. Not only that the nurse would also suffer from embarrassment of being deemed not good enough to nurse due to her race.
 
2013-02-16 11:17:04 AM  

cman: Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.

It creates an hostile work environment. Not only that the nurse would also suffer from embarrassment of being deemed not good enough to nurse due to her race.


Maybe. It was one month, one patient. Throw some cost-of-defense money at it, give her a formal apology and get rid of it.
 
2013-02-16 11:33:19 AM  
What makes this nazi look even more stupid is, historically back in the slave trade days, some slaves were trained as midwives and nurses.  If he learned to read, he would have known this and RN on her name tag meant an educated professional.  Other than long wait time in the pediatric after hours clinic(not unusual), I never had a problem with Hurley.  Didn't care for Genesis, never dealt with McClaren( I don't think they have a maternity ward), so his kid was better off at Hurley in spite of this guy and his sister/cousin.

I don't think this will hurt the nurse's career, and I hope she gets her point made.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 11:53:40 AM  
cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.
 
2013-02-16 12:38:13 PM  

cman: What?


Never underestimate the overwhelming stupidity of the racist.
 
2013-02-16 12:42:01 PM  
I'm tired of these racist dirtbag northerners ruining it for the rest of the country. Get your shiat together, north.

If the northern states can't be trusted to reign in the racism of their people and institutions, the northern states should be forcibly sterilized for the good of America.
 
2013-02-16 12:52:47 PM  

Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


Oh, look. They let the retarded twin out to play.
 
2013-02-16 12:53:34 PM  

MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.


Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?
 
2013-02-16 12:54:58 PM  
Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.
 
2013-02-16 12:55:41 PM  
In the north, 49% of the population are conservative and 51% liberal. In the south, it's the reverse.

It's a culture struggle between the includers and the excluders.
 
2013-02-16 12:55:53 PM  
A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.


/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.
 
2013-02-16 12:55:55 PM  

Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.


You don't really understand the concept of "ethical standards", do you?
 
2013-02-16 12:55:56 PM  

NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]


I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.
 
2013-02-16 12:56:00 PM  

NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]


,,and we're done
 
2013-02-16 12:57:11 PM  
HMS_Blinkin:

Link to that story.

Whoa.  Entertaining link of the day.
 
2013-02-16 12:58:08 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.


No, fark that guy.  You shouldn't cater to racist dickheads no matter what business you're in.  They should've said too farking bad a hospital is not a goddamn burger king where you get it your way.
 
2013-02-16 12:58:17 PM  

cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.




/You're forgetting the golden rule here, the customer, and their insurance company are who's paying, they are going to go with who butter's their bread before a employee who got a little butt hurt.
 
2013-02-16 12:58:39 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?


1: She's a nurse. That means she had to go to school and pass tests, including practical work in the training hospital she attended.
2: Slave owners in the south had no trouble at all of using blacks as nannies for their kids.
 
2013-02-16 12:59:18 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.


It's a shoop.
 
2013-02-16 12:59:32 PM  

NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]


Is that a real pic? If so, awesome.
 
2013-02-16 12:59:55 PM  
You know, I think they let you get away with that shiat in nursing homes, since, y'know, old as fark and slightly crazy, but hospitals aren't nursing homes.
 
2013-02-16 01:00:21 PM  
Whoa, I was born in that hospital!

No doubt about it, that's the best hospital in the area. Bar none.
 
2013-02-16 01:00:40 PM  

Spad31: big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


So because it happens in every culture we should tolerate it? Guess we don't need those pesky laws against murder then.
 
2013-02-16 01:00:53 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.


And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.
 
2013-02-16 01:00:54 PM  
Why does the hospital kow-tow to this?
 
2013-02-16 01:02:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Sure.  You guys have old fashioned racists in the South, but up here?  We've got Nazis.


Just as many racists up north, they just hide it better, the south is more honest about it.

Hank Aaron said in his book he preferred the south because you knew where you stood before you went into a place, up north you never knew until they refused or insulted you with their actions.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:49 PM  

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


They did. You just didn't notice. They learned from the negative press last time and are keeping a lower profile now.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:54 PM  
Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:55 PM  

Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.




/I agree, beyond being butt hurt, and rightly so, she doesn't have a case. She lost nothing, she was reassigned, not fired, not laid off. She lost not one cent. And we as American's have the right to choose who treats us in the medical field. Doesn't matter why they asked to have her switched out, they have that right. Even though they are racist douche bags.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:56 PM  

BalugaJoe: Why does the hospital kow-tow to this?


According to the closet racists in this thread it's because "The Customer Is Always Right!!!", or some shiat like that.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:59 PM  
won't anyone think of the helpless baby?  It's like eggs or chicks in nests.  Don't touch them or the parents will know they have been contaminated and will leave them to die!
 
2013-02-16 01:03:04 PM  
Hmmmm Flint.  Well sit we can't blame this one on the west side nuts.

/of course had it been Holland, there would have been no black people to complain about
 
2013-02-16 01:03:07 PM  
i105.photobucket.com
What Mississippian might look like.
 
2013-02-16 01:03:33 PM  

BalugaJoe: Why does the hospital kow-tow to this?


Interests of the child, I suppose.
 
2013-02-16 01:04:30 PM  

JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?


Oh it's still very much there but due to the bad Michigan economy a lot of the younger Michigan Militia folks have moved down south to find a job though they still own homes or land in Michigan.
 
2013-02-16 01:05:24 PM  

Kyosuke: But the customer is always right!


http://notalwaysright.com/
 
2013-02-16 01:09:47 PM  

Spad31: cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.

O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.


11/10

They hit the lure AND the trailing hook.  Folks on the dock might rightfully spit on you, but you got a boatload of fish.
 
2013-02-16 01:10:57 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.


/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.
 
2013-02-16 01:12:00 PM  
You deny the request, and tell them no.  If they don't like it, they can up and GTFO.
 
2013-02-16 01:12:04 PM  

FloydA: What Mississippian might look like.


Cahokia Burial Mounds FTW. My mom used to live next to the westernmost outpost of their civilization. She's also an L&D nurse.


/glad to live in a sane part of Michigan
//hospital should have backed the nurse, although they probably saved a crazy scene from ensuing
 
2013-02-16 01:13:04 PM  

vpb: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
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So if I want to carry my big scary gun into the hospital while my child is being treated then that is okay with you?

Hospital should have told him that the kid would be cared for by whoever was qualified and on duty, regardless of race.  And then given him the opportunity to take is lil' Hitler and go or leave him to the tender mercies of a multicultural workforce.
 
2013-02-16 01:13:30 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.


Yes yes its really hard being a white male in modern america (well anytime in history ever)...  cry moar
 
2013-02-16 01:13:47 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.


So, no 1st amendment?  No thanks.  Society is way better off allowing the much louder and vastly more prominent free speech rights of non-racists being allowed to counter the racist's speech.  Restricting all of our free speech rights because a few abuse it is dumb, unconstitutional, and highly reactionary.
 
2013-02-16 01:13:53 PM  
I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.
 
2013-02-16 01:14:13 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


There always are; it's both disappointing and amazing.  Some do it because they know race is a button issue that people can't resist; some do it to get their little half chub from deriding another race.

In any case, I've noticed any thread to do with race brings out the roaches.
 
2013-02-16 01:14:53 PM  
Barry needs to take the lead on this one and offer a beer summit.

Paging Rev. Wright, paging Rev. Wright , Jackson Sharpton anybody anybody
 
2013-02-16 01:15:27 PM  

born_yesterday: Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.

There always are; it's both disappointing and amazing.  Some do it because they know race is a button issue that people can't resist; some do it to get their little half chub from deriding another race.

In any case, I've noticed any thread to do with race brings out the roaches.


It's not the black people you have to worry about anyways.  It's the jews.

/I keed I keed
//don't ban me bro
 
2013-02-16 01:15:32 PM  
Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?
 
2013-02-16 01:18:21 PM  
Why does everyone assume the father is white?
 
2013-02-16 01:19:51 PM  

mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?


/no..thats ok. We as white men can't be discriminated against. If we complain about that, we are obviously racist.
 
2013-02-16 01:20:27 PM  

vpb: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

No, they aren't they are telling her that, they are telling her that they are accommodating a parent of a juvenile patient.  It's not any stupider than the people who think they will go to hell if they get a blood transfusion.
.


We do the same with muslim women and male doctors all the time.  Of course we let them know that it isna favor and that if the shiat fits the fan and only a male anesthesiologist is available they gotta deal with it. The I don't see where the woman has grounds to sue unless they sent her home early without pay or if they gaave her a crappier nursing assignment (ie instead of neonatal care she was sent to do manual disimpactions of nursing home admits). You actually have to prove damages, which I. don't see any in this case.
 
2013-02-16 01:22:01 PM  
 Sharky66 • Racist will never end it's just crazy part of human nature .What America should do is anyone convicted of racism is have that person publicly stoned to death by the people he or she so hates and only then will racism in America will end.
That'll teach 'em, Sharky! Get your stones! We're gonna show the world what an enlightened country we are.
 
2013-02-16 01:22:04 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.

Yes yes its really hard being a white male in modern america (well anytime in history ever)...  cry moar




/Thanks for your argument, oops, there isn't one. Thanks for your pointless post. There..FTFY.
 
2013-02-16 01:22:41 PM  
 "I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies!"

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-16 01:22:44 PM  
I think the guy should be able to decide whoever he does or doesn't want handling his baby. I work in customer service and get racist shiat from black people all the time. They all want compensation for no reason. I never sue over it.

Besides, I don't remember any videos of white parents putting their kid in a laundromat dryer surfacing. I know, just post the clips below.
 
2013-02-16 01:22:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


I was going to say something like, "Oh, it's THIS thread again."
 
2013-02-16 01:23:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby.  You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.  I grew up in Chicago, and it's one of the most segregated cities I've ever seen...


I hate Illinois Nazis.
 
2013-02-16 01:24:09 PM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 01:26:04 PM  

mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?


It should be.
 
2013-02-16 01:26:47 PM  
www.troll.me

FARKmod daily checklist:

(x) Race troll thread
( ) Gay troll thread
( ) Gun troll thread
( ) Religion troll thread
( ) Political troll thread
( ) Funny and or entertaining thread
 
2013-02-16 01:27:04 PM  
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2013-02-16 01:27:22 PM  

Ed Grubermann: TiiiMMMaHHH: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?

1: She's a nurse. That means she had to go to school and pass tests, including practical work in the training hospital she attended.
2: Slave owners in the south had no trouble at all of using blacks as nannies for their kids.



1.  She only passed the nurses exam because the hospital needed to meet its EOE quota.  I call shenanigans.
2.  Slave owners could just rape or kill the slave if they effed up, so that doesn't count.

As far as black people being qualified to take care of children;  in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1.  Chicago
2.  Baltimore
3.  Detroit
 
2013-02-16 01:27:32 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-16 01:27:52 PM  
Perhaps they were worried the kid's diapers would end up sagging.
/runs
 
2013-02-16 01:28:46 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: BumpInTheNight: Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.

So, no 1st amendment?  No thanks.  Society is way better off allowing the much louder and vastly more prominent free speech rights of non-racists being allowed to counter the racist's speech.  Restricting all of our free speech rights because a few abuse it is dumb, unconstitutional, and highly reactionary.


Yah, I'm always jealous of how you Americans have such a decent and polite time without many incidents and assholes trolling one another simply because they can hide behind that pesky first amendment.  :P

/It was nice that time the Westboro baptist lawyers tried to come across the border and our anti-hate speech laws tossed them
 
2013-02-16 01:28:55 PM  

Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.


No.  She's suing because the hospital denied her the opportunity and the ability to perform her JOB based on her RACE.  Last time I checked, that's highly illegal, and being white is not a requirement to perform the job successfully with/ without accomodation.  And this is like HR 101, folks.

The racist douche...is a douche.  But the management in that hospital are a bunch of morans.

/for the record I would have assigned the douchebag's baby a flaming gay male nurse and told him to shove it.
 
2013-02-16 01:29:58 PM  
This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.  That should be part of privacy laws.  If ANY provider made me feel uncomfortable (for whatever stupid reason...in this case, racism), I should have the right to request another provider.  If a patient refused treatment from, let's say, a male, then how is this different?  You can request a chaperone of the same gender or flat out refuse treatment if the provider is of opposite gender.

Yes, the people are racist, but I cannot see why the nurse just cannot move on.  Did she get paid while being on the clock?  Why would you even want to treat someone if they weren't going to cooperate and be assholes to you?  She doesn't deserve compensation because some patients offended her.
 
2013-02-16 01:30:04 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.


If you are discriminated against by those unequal test score criteria then yes, you can sue the city. You can't be discriminated against based on race in public accommodation or employment.

I really doubt that happened though. Maybe you should provide some evidence?
 
2013-02-16 01:30:14 PM  

had98c: mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?

It should be.


it is in michigan.

not that it make the racists and bigots on here any less racist or bigoted.
 
2013-02-16 01:30:32 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: As far as black people being qualified to take care of children; in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1. Chicago
2. Baltimore
3. Detroit


As for white people being qualified to take care of children, in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1. Fundamentalist Mormons
2. Jersey Shore
3. West Virginia
 
2013-02-16 01:30:45 PM  
yeah the hospital blew it , they needed to inform the father by law his request could not be honored and explain why.  Whether this is lawsuit worthy I do not know.

/To me it sounds like the buck got passed up the chain of command to someone who finally said okayed it probably will out checking into it properly as everyone below him in rank did not want to touch making that call.
 
2013-02-16 01:31:24 PM  
Racism is a mental deficiency/disease. Mostly born of fear, but compounded by ignorance, it isn't limited by region. Ignorant cowards can be found almost anywhere.
 
2013-02-16 01:32:10 PM  
The patient controls their medical care, including who touches them. If someone they specifically asked to not touch them touches them, its assault.
 
2013-02-16 01:33:03 PM  
Sigh... posting fail

The hospital in no way has to acquiesce to this person's wishes.  If this impedes the normal workflow or results in a qualified person being replaced with a less qualified one, they are within their rights to tell them "objection noted, we don't care."  Unfortunately, few take this type of stand.
 
2013-02-16 01:34:00 PM  

wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?


The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.
 
2013-02-16 01:35:44 PM  
Someone telling people to "Keep African-Americans away from my baby" in Michigan?

I did swastika that coming.

/Got absolutely nothin'
 
2013-02-16 01:35:55 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Ow! That was my feelings!: BumpInTheNight: Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.

So, no 1st amendment?  No thanks.  Society is way better off allowing the much louder and vastly more prominent free speech rights of non-racists being allowed to counter the racist's speech.  Restricting all of our free speech rights because a few abuse it is dumb, unconstitutional, and highly reactionary.

Yah, I'm always jealous of how you Americans have such a decent and polite time without many incidents and assholes trolling one another simply because they can hide behind that pesky first amendment.  :P

/It was nice that time the Westboro baptist lawyers tried to come across the border and our anti-hate speech laws tossed them



I'd rather deal with the Westboro a-holes than some bureaucrat getting to decide what people are allowed to say.  Your "human rights commission" speech abuses are well known.  Rights shouldn't be based on the "feelings" of politically motivated authoritarians.
 
2013-02-16 01:37:04 PM  
Sorry..... It doesn't matter where you live.

South of the Mason-Dixon line they are called "Rednecks." To the North? They are "Hill Billies." It doesn't matter where they live... The attitudes are still the same.

/Michigander
 
2013-02-16 01:37:22 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 01:38:31 PM  

cman: Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.

It creates an hostile work environment. Not only that the nurse would also suffer from embarrassment of being deemed not good enough to nurse due to her race.


"Hostile work environment" requires a pattern of conduct.  Maybe she'll be able to find one during discovery, but right now all she has is one faux pas.
 
2013-02-16 01:38:34 PM  
Reminds me of once when i pulled over a carfull of black males one night. I worked in a area where there wasn't alot of black people, and i was kinda surprised that they were driving around a residential area in this small town at 3 am on a sunday morning. Anyway, they didn't have any brake lights, no lights at all on the back of their car, no working lights at all. So i pulled them over. The conversation went something like this.

Leo : "Good morning Sir, the reason i stopped you is because you don't have any brake lights on the rear of your car, no parking lights, in fact, none of the lights work at all. Totally dark. Can i see your driver's license, insurance, etc...

Driver : "This is bullshiat man, you're stopping us because we are all black." (his 5 friends agree verbally)

Leo : "Um...no, the reason i stopped you is because your vehicle is in violation, you don't have any lights on the back at all, your windshield is broken, you have no rear view mirror, none of you are wearing seat belts, you have junk piled up on your rear window, so its obstructed, and your vehicle tags are expired."

Driver : "fark all that, you're a racist!!"

Leo" Sighs....i need your driver's license, your proof of insurance, and registration. Now please."

Anywho..it degraded from there, ended up calling for another car, as there was six of them and one of me. The driver had a revoked license, no insurance, plus all the vehicle violations that he had. They had open containers of booze in the car, as well as one of those old 35mm film containers full of weed. Spend about 2 hours on that stop. 3 arrests for wants and warrants. So after all that...as they are loading these guys in the wagon, the guy turns to me and says, "farking cracker biatch, you are a racist punk." Sighs...so anyway, the point of this whole thing is....racism is ugly, and it's on both sides.

/and before you do..i know ..i know..csb
 
2013-02-16 01:38:36 PM  
the is prejudice, influenced by racism.
the reasons (i don't think justification would be entirely appropriate) for the father's prejudice could be complex.
perhaps he was beaten by certain types
perhaps he was robbed by certain types
perhaps somebody in his family's history was victimized by certain types
wife or mother or sister or cousin assaulted or killed...
in any case, warranted or not, i don't believe the constitution gives us the right to tell him who to trust.
of course it is natural for most of us to be repulsed by that sort of attitude...
 
2013-02-16 01:38:53 PM  

12349876: TiiiMMMaHHH: As far as black people being qualified to take care of children; in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1. Chicago
2. Baltimore
3. Detroit

As for white people being qualified to take care of children, in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1. Fundamentalist Mormons
2. Jersey Shore
3. West Virginia


See, people!  Trolling isnt a bad thing.  It provokes wit from the right people.  Im not actually racist.  It's just that black people suck.  Luckily though, they attack each other WAY more, and they don't travel well.  I'm safe up here in NE.  FOR NOW.....

/K, NOW I'm done.  I think.
//Time to catch me a cab.  I can do that.
/// OKAY OKAY, now I'm done.
 
2013-02-16 01:39:12 PM  

ruinevil: The patient controls their medical care, including who touches them. If someone they specifically asked to not touch them touches them, its assault.


Agreed.  I think the hospital would rather see an EEOC complaint than a lawsuit from the patient.  If the nurse in question HAD provided care, the patients would have clear standing to file a complaint or lawsuit.
 
2013-02-16 01:40:06 PM  

mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?


If Affirmative Action were discrimination solely on the basis of race then, yes, it would be illegal. That's one reason that racial quotas were ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in 1978. Yet many uninformed people still believe that quotas and/or separate sets of rules for different races is what Affirmative Action means. It is not.
 
2013-02-16 01:40:29 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.


But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'
 
2013-02-16 01:41:26 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: mrsirjojo: Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race.

So Affirmative Action is illegal then?

/no..thats ok. We as white men can't be discriminated against. If we complain about that, we are obviously racist.


Principal bars white kids from tutoring program

AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) - A school principal said no white children were allowed at an after-school tutoring program,

The principal at Mission Viejo Elementary in Aurora sent a letter telling parents the program is only for students of color.


Andre Pearson [the Principal]."It's focused for and designed for children of color, but certainly, if we have space for other kids who have needs, we can definitely meet those needs,
 
2013-02-16 01:41:33 PM  

Kyosuke: Really? Examples?


Any of the many cultures on Earth with no concept of race as most people have it. Just because a culture doesn't like outsiders doesn't mean they're racist, they just don't like outsiders. The most interesting example of a culture without racism is the Tuareg of Africa, it's a culture, a very old one, made up of pretty disparate ethnic groups. Because of that their view on outsiders is, as long as you're not showing up with an army, you're welcomed.

As for how they ended up that way, both of these people are Tuareg, if they met they'd think of each other the same way two Germans consider each other German upon meeting.

medias.photodeck.comwww.globaleye.org.uk
 
2013-02-16 01:42:30 PM  

Lollipop165: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

Is that a real pic? If so, awesome.


Apparently not.  But Snopes' explanation doesn't make a lot of sense, IMHO.
 
2013-02-16 01:42:41 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.


Shoop. http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/klaner.asp
 
2013-02-16 01:43:09 PM  
Once in a while, we get a patient that refuses to be treated by a resident. Usually, the attendings will tell them this is a teaching hospital and they agreed to be seen by residents when they signed the consent for treatment the moment they walk through the door.

If they don't like it, they know where the door is.

Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff
 
2013-02-16 01:44:14 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Nabb1: cman: How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

It's not, but did this nurse lose her job or lose wages or get passed over for a promotion? I'm trying to figure out what, apart from being rightfully pissed off, she suffered as a consequence that is actionable under discrimination laws. I wonder if she made an EEOC claim yet.

/I agree, beyond being butt hurt, and rightly so, she doesn't have a case. She lost nothing, she was reassigned, not fired, not laid off. She lost not one cent. And we as American's have the right to choose who treats us in the medical field. Doesn't matter why they asked to have her switched out, they have that right. Even though they are racist douche bags.


I think the hospital deserves to be sued, just not necessarily for money awarded to the nurse. She does probably deserve some damages, as I can imagine that her work environment is substantially more uncomfortable than it was before...but the real point of any suit should be to force changes in the hospital's practice, a possible firing or two, and maybe a donation to charity. They did something wrong here and deserve to be punished for it.
 
2013-02-16 01:44:17 PM  

PacManDreaming: I feel sorry for the kid. Gonna be a rough life being raised by a moronic prick.


How do you suppose the Dad got that way?
 
2013-02-16 01:44:23 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


Unsurprising amount of people are considering the legal ramifications while others are concerned only with the moral ones.  There is a difference, and both merit discussion.
 
2013-02-16 01:45:33 PM  

rga184: Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff


Hospital should've refused to consent to what the parents wanted and told them if they have a problem with it, the hospital will gladly get a court order to tell the parents where to stick it. Because a minor is involved the hospital had a lot of latitude as to how to handle things. While an adult can discharge themselves against medical advice, trying to discharge a child against medical advice, can get very messy very fast.
 
2013-02-16 01:45:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.


The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.
 
2013-02-16 01:45:37 PM  
i880.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 01:45:44 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: I'd rather deal with the Westboro a-holes than some bureaucrat getting to decide what people are allowed to say. Your "human rights commission" speech abuses are well known. Rights shouldn't be based on the "feelings" of politically motivated authoritarians.


Said no one except the racists we don't tolerate, ironic eh? ;)
 
2013-02-16 01:46:15 PM  
Dad would remove the kid from the hospital?
Fine. Let the kid die. One fewer set of stupid genes floating around the pool.
 
2013-02-16 01:46:29 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Ow! That was my feelings!: BumpInTheNight: Make racism illegal, seriously.  Its time to just end that bullshiat and let everyone get on with the future.  Make it illegal, imprison idiots who are blatant about it.  And make damn sure your black president is the one to sign the order, just for the lulz.

So, no 1st amendment?  No thanks.  Society is way better off allowing the much louder and vastly more prominent free speech rights of non-racists being allowed to counter the racist's speech.  Restricting all of our free speech rights because a few abuse it is dumb, unconstitutional, and highly reactionary.

Yah, I'm always jealous of how you Americans have such a decent and polite time without many incidents and assholes trolling one another simply because they can hide behind that pesky first amendment.  :P

/It was nice that time the Westboro baptist lawyers tried to come across the border and our anti-hate speech laws tossed them


You didn't watch any of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission hearings, did you?
 
2013-02-16 01:46:36 PM  
Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.
 
2013-02-16 01:47:17 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.


Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white professionals, teachers, and government workers in agricultural and other agencies, churches and community organizations. The "commission penetrated most of the major civil-rights organizations in Mississippi, even planting clerical workers in the offices of activist attorneys. It informed police about planned marches or boycotts and encouraged police harassment of African-Americans who cooperated with civil rights groups. Its agents obstructed voter registration by blacks and harassed African-Americans seeking to attend white schools."
The commission's activities included attempting to preserve the state's segregation and Jim Cro laws, opposing school integration, and ensuring portrayal of the state "in a positive light." Among its first employees were a former FBI agent and a transfer from the state highway patrol. "The agency outwardly extolled racial harmony, but it secretly paid investigators and spies to gather both information and misinformation." Staff of the commission worked closely with, and in some cases funded, the notorious White Citizens' Councils. From 1960 to 1964, it secretly funded the White Citizens Council, a private organization, with $190,000 of state funds. The commission also used its intelligence-gathering capabilities to assist in the defense of Byron D La Beckwith, murderer of Medgar Evers, during his second trial. Sov-Com investigator Andy Hopkins provided De La Beckwith's attorneys with information on the potential jurors, which the attorneys used during the selection process.


The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on
 
2013-02-16 01:49:06 PM  
I think this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations for the hospital.

Say they told the parents that they weren't going to follow their request and they can take the baby and go home. So, they take the baby home and for whatever reason, the baby on that day or the next becomes ill and dies. The couple can sue the hospital and say that the hospital refused to care for the baby as requested and as a result, the baby became ill and died. And we aren't talking about asking the hospital to give the baby untested medicine or do some questionable procedure. Only to make sure the baby is well enough to be sent home. People may argue about the racism problem but the couple was not refusing all medical treatment but service from African-American nurses. The couple still wanted treatment and if they were refused all treatment, it would have been the fault of the hospital. We aren't talking about a diner refusing service, here. We are talking about life or death treatment.

Honestly, I felt sorry for whoever had to make that call. They were cursed either way.
 
2013-02-16 01:49:07 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Sure.  You guys have old fashioned racists in the South, but up here?  We've got Nazis.


^This^

Don't make any wrong turns in Howell if you have a passenger of color. Ever.
 
2013-02-16 01:49:11 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'


Really? I'm not sure where you've gotten that.

Now, granted, fark derides a lot of the "SOUTHAN PRIIIIDEEEAH" as ignorant, racist, idiotic assholes, but that's generally when said 'southern pride' also involves, say, flying a confederate flag and arguing slavery had nothing to do with secession.
 
2013-02-16 01:50:20 PM  

rga184: Once in a while, we get a patient that refuses to be treated by a resident. Usually, the attendings will tell them this is a teaching hospital and they agreed to be seen by residents when they signed the consent for treatment the moment they walk through the door.

If they don't like it, they know where the door is.

Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff


the hospital might have had the right to tell him to take his wife and baby and gtfo. they are a business however.
when possible, i would avoid teaching hospitals anyway, especially in July.
 
2013-02-16 01:51:16 PM  

camelwalk: Sigh... posting fail

The hospital in no way has to acquiesce to this person's wishes.  If this impedes the normal workflow or results in a qualified person being replaced with a less qualified one, they are within their rights to tell them "objection noted, we don't care."  Unfortunately, few take this type of stand.


It's enough to say, "Can't, we'd be sued."
 
2013-02-16 01:51:21 PM  

Zasteva: Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.

If you are discriminated against by those unequal test score criteria then yes, you can sue the city. You can't be discriminated against based on race in public accommodation or employment.

I really doubt that happened though. Maybe you should provide some evidence?


/Just my word, and that they bypass the whole "who scored best" on the psychological, written, and physical tests by putting all applicants into a "pool" of prospective employees. Clever, and legal, but a obvious move to hire more minorities. And they came right out and said that the testing was lower for a minority than a white guy. Right to our faces. I told them that was bullshiat, and they said, "sue us", or apply somewhere else. Why else would you have a "pool"? Wouldn't you want the best scoring applicants, with the most education, training, experience, etc? Too fill the minority slots, thats why. Sad, but yes it really happened. I also called a department in florida to see if they were hiring. The Sgt. on the phone said "are you female, black, hispanic, or some other minority? Um...no..im white. He told me not to bother, that is all they were looking to hire. Just my experiences man, make what you want of them, just what ive seen and heard.
 
2013-02-16 01:52:04 PM  

wellreadneck: You didn't watch any of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission hearings, did you?


Two guys tasked with figuring out ways to help Quebec be a little less xenophobic?  Sounds pretty boring.  Why mention it?
 
2013-02-16 01:52:53 PM  

GreenAdder: ...he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan...

People choose to live in Flint? No way.

/Pure Michigan

 
2013-02-16 01:54:14 PM  

Mrs. Beasley: Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.

Shoop. http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/klaner.asp


Rats. I was hoping it was real. Thanks!
 
2013-02-16 01:54:41 PM  

TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.


There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.
 
2013-02-16 01:55:27 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.


How do you know that being reassigned didn't reduce her income or demote her?  Maybe they moved her from something prestigious and good-looking on a resume like neonatal to scrubbing bedpans for the month the kid was there.  Or maybe her hours there were overtime and she just got cut back to nothing but regular hours.  The hospital made a personnel decision based on race - you can't do that.  They should have just said to the baby daddy "Sorry, sir.  We our scheduling is very tight and we can't accommodate your wishes.  Nurse Whoever is a highly trained professional who is more than qualified to take care of your child."

The best the hospitals lawyers can hope for is that the guy has got more than just a swastika tattoo - that he's a raging skinhead with a history of convictions of assault on African-americans.  At least then they could argue that they moved her from her own safety.  Of course, then, they'd also have to explain why they let a potentially violent man in their building or couldn't protect their employee...
 
2013-02-16 01:56:05 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.

But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'


For the most part, the North IS progressive and liberal......just look at what states predominately vote Democratic vs. Republican in national elections.  That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states.  There are plenty.  Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states.  I'm one of them.  However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.  Like I was saying earlier about Chicago being very segregated.  I grew up on the North Side, but not in the rich part of town, and there were a lot of Hispanics in our neighborhood.......but no African-Americans.  It was a lower middle-class, blue collar, no-frills couple of blocks, too.  African-Americans predominately live on the West Side and South Side.  Not because they have to, but because when they migrated from the South in the early 20th century, that's where the meat-packing plants were, that's where the heavy industry was, and that's where they worked.  So they settled there and for the most part, have stayed there.  Wealthier people (read: whites) could afford to move away from the smells of all the factories, and settled on the North Side.  NYC is also pretty heavily segregated in a lot of areas, as well.  So the idea that racially-insensitive douchenozzles exist only below the Mason-Dixon line is pretty ridiculous.

BTW, I don't think Michigan is considered "flyover country."  When I think of "flyover country", I think of Kansas and Nebraska.  If you're flying from NYC to LA, you don't go over Michigan, I don't think.
 
2013-02-16 01:57:04 PM  
In 20 years as a male nurse I've had exactly one patient not want me to care for her because of my gender. Is it a stupid farking reason? Sure. I'm a great nurse and give great care and she lost out on that, but that was her loss. Their are idiots and jackasses everywhere and if you're going to let your prejudices prevent you or your love ones from getting the best possible care, then ultimately, you're the ones that end up suffering, not me. Suing her employers is stupid, they accomodated the patient/parents while they examined their legal obligations. In today's litigious society, the hospital could have done very little else.It was never a question of the nurses skill or training, it was a racist idiocy that all could recognize for what it is. Sure, you could get into a pissing contest with bigoted morons and that would achieve what exactly (prior to it going through legal)? People need to man the fark up and drive on.
 
2013-02-16 01:57:47 PM  
To Hospital Staff,

Subject: Vis a vis racist arseholes

When faced with patients or persons accompanying patients who demand that medical personnel be determined by relative values of melanin present in their skin the correct response is, "No. You're welcome to go to a different hospital." It is not "Sure," "Yes," or any other form of acquiescence.

Thanks.

 - Everyone
 
2013-02-16 01:58:25 PM  
Sometimes, women will request only female staff to care for them (I've seen men request female staff only too, but for purely creepy reasons, fark them).  Men get the same medical training, so it's a decision based on gender alone.  Half of these women are just private people, or were mistreated, and it's a request that isn't handled any differently than any other reasonable request.  The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men, and it's a blessing to not have to deal with them as a man as they're usually just as nasty to the women anyway.

I bet that replacement nurse was just as pissed and embarrassed for having to deal with them.  I honestly don't know why the nurse would want to stay there when they were going to give her grief based on her skin color.  This is not an excuse for racist behavior, but just surprising if this is her first run-in with racism with 25 years on the job.

When you're getting admitted, they ask questions about your care and how your needs can best be met based on religion, diet, medical restriction, etc, and I honestly think "Are you racist?  Is there something your bigoted ways will not tolerate?  Will you be nice to everyone that gives you quality care regardless of skin color?"  Racism isn't a legally protected 'right', and I think some social shaming would go a long way.  Hospitals really aren't required to care for children after they're born- a birthing, yes- but at the point in TFA, they could be asked to leave if hospital staff was not adequate for their needs.  A neonatal intensive care unit?  That's our competent nurse, stfu or gtfo.
 
2013-02-16 01:58:44 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.


I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.
 
2013-02-16 01:59:56 PM  

mekki: I think this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations for the hospital.

Say they told the parents that they weren't going to follow their request and they can take the baby and go home. So, they take the baby home and for whatever reason, the baby on that day or the next becomes ill and dies. The couple can sue the hospital and say that the hospital refused to care for the baby as requested and as a result, the baby became ill and died. And we aren't talking about asking the hospital to give the baby untested medicine or do some questionable procedure. Only to make sure the baby is well enough to be sent home. People may argue about the racism problem but the couple was not refusing all medical treatment but service from African-American nurses. The couple still wanted treatment and if they were refused all treatment, it would have been the fault of the hospital. We aren't talking about a diner refusing service, here. We are talking about life or death treatment.

Honestly, I felt sorry for whoever had to make that call. They were cursed either way.


Your conjecture is either amusing or alarming, depending on whether you're serious.
 
2013-02-16 02:00:28 PM  

ramblinwreck: This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.


They should have handed the babby to the racists and said "sorry, that's who's on duty.  If you don'tlike it, you're welcome to go find another hospital.  Bye."
 
2013-02-16 02:00:34 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.


Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.
 
2013-02-16 02:01:10 PM  

Karac: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.


Unless she's hot and I don't want her knowing I've got a bum prostate.
 
2013-02-16 02:01:22 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: FARKmod daily checklist:

(x) Race troll thread
( ) Gay troll thread
( ) Gun troll thread
( ) Religion troll thread
( ) Political troll thread
( ) Funny and or entertaining thread


THIS.
 
2013-02-16 02:02:15 PM  

vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.


They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.
 
2013-02-16 02:02:28 PM  

Coco LaFemme: That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states. There are plenty. Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states. I'm one of them. However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.


Yeah, I'll take this.

Plus Flint = Mid Michigan = where most of the racist douchebags in this state end up.
 
2013-02-16 02:04:52 PM  

Hollie Maea: vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.

They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.


Yeah, well, what if they also have the plague and TB?
 
2013-02-16 02:05:16 PM  

FloydA: ramblinwreck: This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.

They should have handed the babby to the racists and said "sorry, that's who's on duty.  If you don'tlike it, you're welcome to go find another hospital.  Bye."


Was that the case?  Was she the only nurse on duty?  I see no problem with that if no other nurse.  They hospital shouldn't have to recall a white nurse, but on the other hand, the patient has the right to manage their own care, regardless of their stupid reasons.
 
2013-02-16 02:08:57 PM  
Southern buddy once told me, "Southerners hate black people as a race, but love them individually.  Yankees hate black people individually, but love them as a race."

Sounds pretty accurate to me.
 
2013-02-16 02:08:58 PM  

assjuice: Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.

The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.


Oh I suspect most of the racists are fat too.
 
2013-02-16 02:10:10 PM  

Lochsteppe: Karac: 

I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.

Unless she's hot and I don't want her knowing I've got a bum prostate.



Where the hell else would you keep it?
 
2013-02-16 02:11:30 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.

It's a shoop.


Isnt that Wanda Sykes from "Wanda does it?"
 
2013-02-16 02:12:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: wellreadneck: You didn't watch any of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission hearings, did you?

Two guys tasked with figuring out ways to help Quebec be a little less xenophobic?  Sounds pretty boring.  Why mention it?


Probably because of all the decent and polite Canadian assholes that stood up in public and espoused their racist views without the need of a pesky first amendment to hide behind.
 
2013-02-16 02:12:41 PM  
As a self-hating white guy, I demand that only black doctors and nurses care for me, my wife and my baby.
 
2013-02-16 02:14:30 PM  

HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white professionals, teachers, and government workers in agricultural and other agencies, churches and community organizations. The "commission penetrated most of the major civil-rights organizations in Mississippi, even planting clerical workers in the offices of activist attorneys. It informed police about planned marches or boycotts and encouraged police harassment of African-Americans who cooperated with civil rights groups. Its agents obstructed voter registration by blacks and harassed African-Americans seeking to attend white schools."
The commission's activities included attempting to preserve the state's segregation and Jim Cro laws, opposing school integration, and ensuring portrayal of the state "in a positive light." Among its first employees were a former FBI agent and a transfer from the state highway patrol. "The agency outwardly extolled racial harmony, but it secretly paid investigators and spies to gather both information and misinformation." Staff of the commission worked closely with, and in some cases funded, the notorious White Citizens' Councils. From 1960 to 1964, it secretly funded the White Citizens Council, a private organization, with $190,000 of state funds. The commission also used its intelligence-gathering capabilities to assist in the defense of Byron D La Beckwith, murderer of Medgar Evers, during his second trial. Sov-Com investigator Andy Hopkins provided De La Beckwith's attorneys with information on the potential jurors, which the attorneys used during the selection process.


The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on


I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Of course, there is absolutely no evidence from the modern era that suggests the north currently has a larger problem of institutional racism than the south does.
Absolutely. No. Evidence. Whatsoever.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-16 02:14:38 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."


You two are what keeps the word "retarded" alive.  "Protected health information" (PHI) includes info about "provision of health care;" who is  authorized to provide the care is certainly PHI. But PHI isn't protected from everyone by HIPAA.  It would be absurd if management couldn't tell staff who to care for.
 
2013-02-16 02:15:49 PM  

detritus: As a self-hating white guy, I demand that only black doctors and nurses care for me, my wife and my baby.


Good luck!
 
2013-02-16 02:18:20 PM  

wellreadneck: Probably because of all the decent and polite Canadian assholes that stood up in public and espoused their racist views without the need of a pesky first amendment to hide behind.


Ahh, I can only imagine what kind of critters were found as they picked up the rocks and pointed lights into dark corners in the back woods of Quebec.  I'm certainly not saying racists can't be found in Canada, just we have means of actually blocking them from trolling the rest of us and if we need to laws that can be used to stop them from pushing their asshole agendas out in the open.  We don't have to sit back and let them wargarbl into megaphones as they please and waste everyone's time.
 
2013-02-16 02:19:19 PM  

Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.
 
2013-02-16 02:19:53 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.


Since when is this all about you? But since this is your world and we are just suffering through it with you, how about this: You should feel proud that you scored so highly on those oh so difficult LEO tests. What's that? Oh yeah, I work in law enforcement administration, you poor excuse for a retarded chimpanzee, and if a special ed fifth grader couldn't pass those 1+1=2 "tests" I'd be surprised. Save your misdirected ire for the DWBs you'll be pulling over to extort money from, assuming you don't shoot your eye out in firearms training.

/and yeah I know, you were trolling blah blah...
 
2013-02-16 02:20:06 PM  

ramblinwreck: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.


How exactly are race and gender the same thing?
 
2013-02-16 02:21:24 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.


I'm with you, i grew up in the south but lived in the north;  the north wins hands down cause at least in the south you knew where you stood
 
2013-02-16 02:23:49 PM  

Bender The Offender: Hollie Maea: vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.

They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.

Yeah, well, what if they also have the plague and TB?


I was thinking more that they went online and convinced themselves that they had TB. Those things happen a lot, but the hospitals don't say "well the customer is always right, and we can't just treat the no idiots. Here is your six months of streptomycin just as you requested."
 
2013-02-16 02:26:46 PM  
This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.
 
2013-02-16 02:30:03 PM  

The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.


Not entirely true:

(On mobile device...)
http://56rebels.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/black-man-with-swastika1. j pg
 
2013-02-16 02:35:11 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kyosuke: Really? Examples?

Any of the many cultures on Earth with no concept of race as most people have it. Just because a culture doesn't like outsiders doesn't mean they're racist, they just don't like outsiders. The most interesting example of a culture without racism is the Tuareg of Africa, it's a culture, a very old one, made up of pretty disparate ethnic groups. Because of that their view on outsiders is, as long as you're not showing up with an army, you're welcomed.

As for how they ended up that way, both of these people are Tuareg, if they met they'd think of each other the same way two Germans consider each other German upon meeting.


That was actually an interesting read once I googled the crap out of it. Thanks.
 
2013-02-16 02:37:10 PM  
I dunno if anybody said this in the thread yet, but traditional Deep South whites would not have a problem with a black nurse handling a white baby. Who raised all the master's children on the plantation? Not the mistress.
 
2013-02-16 02:37:51 PM  

pfren1: This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.


How dare you bring facts and real-life experience to a Fark Daily Racism thread! Have you no sense of shame or decency? Sheesh.
 
2013-02-16 02:38:23 PM  

Jormungandr: Kyosuke: But the customer is always right!

http://notalwaysright.com/


Retarded site is retarded.
 
2013-02-16 02:39:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.


Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
i.imgur.com

And have a comparable number of hate groups
i.imgur.com

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.
 
2013-02-16 02:39:52 PM  
The man, who is not named in the filing, allegedly showed her a tattoo that may have been "a swastika of some kind" and told her that he didn't want African-Americans involved in his baby's care.

I'm sure the nice gentleman said it exactly that way, too.
 
2013-02-16 02:40:54 PM  

Tanthalas39: Jormungandr: Kyosuke: But the customer is always right!

http://notalwaysright.com/

Retarded site is retarded.


But if you don't let the service class have their little echoing sound boards like that they might do something drastic like organize and take to the streets, or worse petition for better working conditions...or even take a run at the presidency....no my friend that site serves its purpose in the grand scheme of things and its owner is smart for keeping it around.
 
2013-02-16 02:41:15 PM  

Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on

I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.

A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also:  slavery and segregation).

The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.

I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."
 
2013-02-16 02:43:03 PM  

Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that present-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


I like how you pretend the "era of segregation" is some distant historical period. This is the era of segregation. Segregation is still widely practised and many of the people involved are still alive. And breeding, obviously.

Otherwise I agree with you that it isn't a regional phenomenon.
 
2013-02-16 02:44:29 PM  

Elegy: Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.

Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
[i.imgur.com image 300x237]

And have a comparable number of hate groups
[i.imgur.com image 300x195]

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.


In all honesty, I can't tell the difference between Southern Missouri and Mississippi.

It goes downhill pretty quick once you leave St. Louis heading South on I-55 or I-44.

Missouri is better...but not by much.
 
2013-02-16 02:46:45 PM  
Having a baby is a very personal thing. And the hospital should make every attempt to honor any reasonable request from a patient regardless of how odd or distasteful it may appear.

The hospital should have agreed to this and charged accordingly. It would have been the right thing to do.
 
2013-02-16 02:47:28 PM  

jenlen: pfren1: This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.

How dare you bring facts and real-life experience to a Fark Daily Racism thread! Have you no sense of shame or decency? Sheesh.


Exactly!  Why should look at anything beyond this one person's anecdote?

/sarc
 
2013-02-16 02:47:39 PM  

Elegy: HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white profes ...


That data is a little old.
 
2013-02-16 02:47:59 PM  
I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies? Any  body else read "The Help"?
 
2013-02-16 02:51:24 PM  
In all honesty, Southern Missouri is like Northern Arkansas. Even in the Delta region where it's as flat as a pancake. And then you get into Arkansas and realize that it actually does get worse.

Then you get to Memphis which gives you a temporary gasp at civilization. Then you go through the really nice suburbs of Desoto County. Then you venture into the rest of the state which seems to be a cesspit of hopelessness and despair...at least until you get to Jackson for another temporary gasp at civilization. Then you venture into the rest of Mississippi.

Then you hit the Louisiana state line and realize that Louisiana isn't too bad in comparison to what you just encountered for 300 miles.

/Has family in NOLA and does the drive down I-55 a couple times a year
//Dreads the driving part
 
2013-02-16 02:52:18 PM  

rga184: this is a teaching hospital


No, it's a learning hospital.  That's why they don't want the resident.  While your hospital may behave that way, others do not.  Let's see, I'm having C4-C5 fused and I object to a resident and they refuse - I don't think so.
 
2013-02-16 02:52:30 PM  
Are there more racists in the north than the south? I don't know; I have only lived on the west coast. But it is definitely true that the south elects more racists into political office.
 
2013-02-16 02:53:20 PM  

Dadburns: I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies?


Only if they wear the standard 'Aunt Jemima' uniform.
 
2013-02-16 02:55:03 PM  
O hay, is this one of those threads where right wingers find an example of racism in the north and use that to pretend that there's no difference between the north and the south?  Because that's totally sane and has never happened before.
 
2013-02-16 02:56:40 PM  

arashinogarou: Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.

Since when is this all about you? But since this is your world and we are just suffering through it with you, how about this: You should feel proud that you scored so highly on those oh so difficult LEO tests. What's that? Oh yeah, I work in law enforcement administration, you poor excuse for a retarded chimpanzee ...


/ 1/10 for all the typing you did, but thats all you get.
 
2013-02-16 02:57:42 PM  

NutWrench: Mrs. Beasley: Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.

Shoop. http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/klaner.asp

Rats. I was hoping it was real. Thanks!


It's real.  I remember seeing it in LIFE magazine way back when.
I love Snoops, but to think it's an advert from a fatty magazine is absurd.
 
2013-02-16 02:58:39 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: / 1/10 for all the typing you did, but thats all you get.


Really? Damn, and I thought I was getting better...
 
2013-02-16 03:00:32 PM  

lack of warmth: GreenAdder: They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc.  I assume this is like any other state, really.

This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.

Actually, this surprised me a bit.  Not that there are racists around, but him even letting his kid be born at Hurley.  We're not talking barely on the edge of Flint, we're talking downtown less than a mile from MLK part of Flint.  This guy is most likely from Burton and so it surprises me he didn't go to Genesis Hospital in Grand Blanc.  Would be the same distance from him, although Hurley does have a better staff for more severe cases.  They don't call it Burtucky for nothin'.


This
 
2013-02-16 03:01:05 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: arashinogarou: Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.

Since when is this all about you? But since this is your world and we are just suffering through it with you, how about this: You should feel proud that you scored so highly on those oh so difficult LEO tests. What's that? Oh yeah, I work in law enforcement administration, you poor excuse for a reta ...


/and since you are admin, you don't know about shiat about real police work as you are riding a desk while the boys do the REAL mens work, you pointy headed office monkey pencil pushing retarded doughnut muncher.

/see? i can resort to name calling too. Happy now?
 
2013-02-16 03:01:10 PM  

HighOnCraic: Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on

I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.

A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also:  slavery and segregation).

The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.

I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."


The original commenter was commenting in the fact that in the present day and their own personal experience the north was more racist, and asked (somewhat rhetorically, I thought) why the south had such a bad rep.

Which brought up your long post of the Mississippi Commission.

Then I essentially said "that's the whole point, the Jim Crow south ended what, 60 years ago?"

And you say "but he asked how that reputation came to be!"

At which point I say again the information you are using to support your views is out of date, and my issue is with the fact that people tend to base these judgements of the south and this obscures the larger problems of racism in America by scapegoating the south for all of America's racial woes.

To compare, it would be like judging the whole of present day race relations in Chicago on the basis of the 1919 and 1966 race riots in Chicago.

What if I said that New York is obviously a highly racist city based upon the evidence of the race riots of 1964 and 1965?

You'd call me an idiot, and rightly so.

Hence my response when you bring up the worst portions of Mississippi's history, that occurred over half a century ago, to implicitly support the idea that racism in the south is somehow "special" or "different" or "more institutionalize" than elsewhere in the United States and thus the south is somehow deserving of your scorn.
 
2013-02-16 03:02:33 PM  

TheOther: Dadburns: I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies?

Only if they wear the standard 'Aunt Jemima' uniform.


Oh, you're baaaaad!
 
2013-02-16 03:03:59 PM  

LoneWolf343: Elegy: HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white ...


That data is a little old.

Nonetheless, the South's past history is why it has a bad reputation.
 
2013-02-16 03:04:55 PM  
cman:

Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.

False.  All we can do is attempt to not act on our instincts.

For some the fear is so great that they cannot overcome it on our own.  They could no sooner stop their heart from beating by will alone.

With counseling and exposure, we can decrease many "unreasonable" phobia's, but that is not an art we've perfected as of yet.
________

As for the article.  The hospital's purpose is the comfort and treatment of it's customers/patients.  If you want a different doctor or nurse, you get one(if one's available).  They do not exist to enforce acceptance and cultural diversity.

The nurse did not suffer a negative repercussion, such as wrongful termination or temporary loss of wages, she was simply reassigned.

Retarded lawsuit is retarded.

In any case, there is only one situation where the patients/customers should be forced to deal with staff that they dislike, lack of alternatives, be it diversity or skill of the employee.  In that case the hospital would be well within it's rights to say, "She's the only nurse available, so you'll have to deal with it."

Care for the baby is what is important, and if it comes down to the baby being at risk, you re-arrange the staff as needed.  You do not kick the baby out into the street because the parents are assholes.  It may feel dirty in that you're placating the assholes, but when that means better care for the actual patient, it's their duty to remain neutral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
 
2013-02-16 03:05:20 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /and since you are admin, you don't know about shiat about real police work as you are riding a desk while the boys do the REAL mens work, you pointy headed office monkey pencil pushing retarded doughnut muncher.

/see? i can resort to name calling too. Happy now?


Bagels, not donuts, you racist Nazi!!


/I seriously hope you haven't been taking me seriously, Shirley.
 
2013-02-16 03:05:25 PM  
Somebody thinks she won the lawsuit lottery.
 
2013-02-16 03:06:21 PM  
omeganuepsilon:
THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;


Format fail, stupid new-style entry can really screw up copy pasta from other websites
 
2013-02-16 03:06:55 PM  

NutWrench: cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.

Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.

This. The hospital has an obligation to put quality-of-care first, not to indulge some racists childish rodentine feelings. This means making sure that the best qualified people are allowed to do their jobs.


and you know she was the best qualified because? she may or may not have been but getting all butt hurt that the father didn't want the black rubbing off is stupid. the hospital may have violated some anti discrimination laws but again so what? it was one dad and one baby, get over it.
 
2013-02-16 03:07:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-16 03:07:16 PM  

rga184: Once in a while, we get a patient that refuses to be treated by a resident. Usually, the attendings will tell them this is a teaching hospital and they agreed to be seen by residents when they signed the consent for treatment the moment they walk through the door.

If they don't like it, they know where the door is.

Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff


That is absolutely not how a teaching hospital works. Patients absolutely have a right to choose their own physicians and to choose whether or not residents are involved in their care. There's this little thing called a "Patient's Bill of Rights". I'd be really interested in which hospital you're working at that is requiring patients to sign out AMA for refusing to allow residents to be involved in their care.
 
2013-02-16 03:17:06 PM  
I lived in a white neighborhood. The first black person I ever met was a black nurse when I was hospitalized at a very young age. I loudly announced, "You're a chocolate nurse!" and she threw her head back and laughed. She laughed harder when I said that must mean I'm vanilla. (I had ice cream on the brain) I have had a special spot in my heart for black nurses ever since. Those ninnies missed out is all I can say.
 
2013-02-16 03:17:11 PM  

Elegy: HighOnCraic: Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on

I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.

A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also:  slavery and segregation).

The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.

I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."

The original commenter was commenting in the fact that in the present day and their own personal experience the north was more racist, and asked (somewhat rhetorically, I thought) why the south had such a bad rep.

Which brought up your long post of the Mississippi Commission.

Then I essentially said "that's the whole point, the Jim Crow south ended what, 60 years ago?"

And you say "but he asked how that reputation came to be!"

At which point I say again the information you are using to support your views is out of date, and my issue is with the fact that people tend to base these judgements of the south and this obscures the larger problems of racism in America by scapegoating the south for all of America's racial woes.

To compare, it would be like judging the whole of present day race relations in Chicago on the basis of the 1919 and 1966 race riots in Chicago.

What if I said that New York is obviously a hig ...


I think the fact that the South held on to segregation laws until they were struck down by Federal laws (voted for by Northern Congressmen from both parties) is a valid point in a discussion about the South's reputation.

Glorifying their past (or at least denying the bad parts of it) is a big part of Southern culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause
 
2013-02-16 03:17:21 PM  
This is very simple for the hospital to handle when that request is made.

"Sir, we appreciate that you have your belief system.  However, we're unable to honor that request and will keep our nursing staffing and rotations the same based on established procedures and policies.  If you so choose, you're welcome to seek alternate healthcare for your child."

End of discussion.  Move on to the next case.

/a small part of me wishes that the father who made the request had some sort of medical emergency, and the hospital brought in an entire team of African-Americans to provide treatement, and the last thing the guy saw before putting put under for surgery was a very dark, black man holding a scalpel.
 
2013-02-16 03:17:59 PM  
Elegy:

I GIS'ed that image so I could read the text and this is what it said, "Number of times that Black incarceration rate is higher than White incarceration rate, 2001."

I don't understand what that statistic means. Does it mean that MN voted for a black president in the last two presidential elections or that they elected the first black Muslim US congressmen?

Maybe MS is just trying not to show off about how not-racist they are.
 
2013-02-16 03:18:43 PM  
I wonder if, had they not allowed the request, THE RACISTS  would have then sued the hospital for 1st amendment violations?
 
2013-02-16 03:18:58 PM  
OK, I've got to try this out:  nee-gar, kneeger, (N)igger, (nig)(ger),
 
2013-02-16 03:23:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: In all honesty, Southern Missouri is like Northern Arkansas. Even in the Delta region where it's as flat as a pancake. And then you get into Arkansas and realize that it actually does get worse.

Then you get to Memphis which gives you a temporary gasp at civilization. Then you go through the really nice suburbs of Desoto County. Then you venture into the rest of the state which seems to be a cesspit of hopelessness and despair...at least until you get to Jackson for another temporary gasp at civilization. Then you venture into the rest of Mississippi.

Then you hit the Louisiana state line and realize that Louisiana isn't too bad in comparison to what you just encountered for 300 miles.

/Has family in NOLA and does the drive down I-55 a couple times a year
//Dreads the driving part


You know, if I was the sort of person to judge an entire state by driving one limited access highway a few times a year, I might think the same of Mississippi.

Regardless, your external view of my former state made me laugh; the description of Jackson and Memphis as "bastions of civilization" had me rolling on the floor in tears.

/grew up in Jackson and Memphis
//last thing I would call them is civilized
 
2013-02-16 03:25:52 PM  

Retard Wrangler: I wonder if, had they not allowed the request, THE RACISTS  would have then sued the hospital for 1st amendment violations?


No

Dont you know what the 1st amendment is all about? It is about speech. Refusing a request is not even in anywhere near the same ballpark as standing on the corner preaching the bible.
 
2013-02-16 03:28:06 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: Ed Grubermann: TiiiMMMaHHH: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?

1: She's a nurse. That means she had to go to school and pass tests, including practical work in the training hospital she attended.
2: Slave owners in the south had no trouble at all of using blacks as nannies for their kids.


1.  She only passed the nurses exam because the hospital needed to meet its EOE quota.  I call shenanigans.
2.  Slave owners could just rape or kill the slave if they effed up, so that doesn't count.

As far as black people being qualified to take care of children;  in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:

1.  Chicago
2.  Baltimore
3.  Detroit


Sadly it is important to keep track of these things because of racists like you who assume that a black person is intrinsically and universally incompetent.
 
2013-02-16 03:28:27 PM  
A hospital is not a business where you get to flaunt your money/influence and magically get what you want.  You are not a customer, and even though you think you are, the customer is NOT always right.

And that's not even touching on the racist dipshiattery aspect of the story.
 
2013-02-16 03:31:01 PM  

ajgeek: The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.

Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.


This is the most creative form of victim-blaming I've ever read on Fark.  Bravo.
 
2013-02-16 03:38:59 PM  
If it were some asshat racist making stupid medical decisions for himself, I would be fine with the hospital wheeling his ass out into the parking lot and letting him fend for himself.

Having the guy make such decisions for a little baby who can't care for himself kind of limits the options you can bring to bear. "You get your choice of nurses, but we charge double" might be okay, though there is probably a more elegant way to handle it.
 
2013-02-16 03:40:22 PM  
Her colleagues should have stood up for her; that's what this is about. The very fact that the legal department made 'em take the "no blacks" note out of the chart is telling. You don't do that, rather you support your staff and tell the Dick Dad to go bark up the medical director's tree.

The hospital deserves to get sued here.
 
2013-02-16 03:40:41 PM  
It is quite possible that the racists would have left the hospital with their child if their "request" was not honored.
Normally, it wouldn't be that big a deal, but the kid was in the neonatal ICU.
Even then, they can't stop the parents from taking the kid out.

Some administrator had to weigh the risks for the kid vs what is right for the nurse.
It sucks, but I think they got it right.
 
2013-02-16 03:44:57 PM  
There was a similar case in the UK some years ago when a dead patient's family donated his organs on the condition that they were to be transplanted into white recipients only. The conditions were accepted and the organs used, though I believe that the skin colour of the recipients was not revealed.
 
2013-02-16 03:49:48 PM  
i45.photobucket.com

"Well, to tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch"
 
2013-02-16 03:50:25 PM  

SewerSquirrels: Elegy:

I GIS'ed that image so I could read the text and this is what it said, "Number of times that Black incarceration rate is higher than White incarceration rate, 2001."

I don't understand what that statistic means. Does it mean that MN voted for a black president in the last two presidential elections or that they elected the first black Muslim US congressmen?

Maybe MS is just trying not to show off about how not-racist they are.


You don't understand what the statistic means? Ok, I'll lay it out for you, because I'm bored this Saturday afternoon.

My original point is that the straw man of institutional racism is frequently brought up as how racism in the south is different (read: worse) than racism in the south. I.E. in the south, racism is an institution, historical, and an accepted part of everyday life, whereas in the north it is clearly a more "casual" thing, and this somehow better than the south, where it is a part of unofficial policy.

The evidence that supporters of this view ALWAYS bring to the table is historical evidence from the era of segregation, e.g. The Mississippi Sovereignty Commission.

That particular map details the fact that IN THE PRESENT DAY states in the northeast disproportionately convict blacks over whites, indicating that contrary to popular opinion, the north has a much higher degree of INSTITUTIONAL racism than the south.

This is supported by reams of documentation such as this report, which states that:
States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey; and,
States exhibiting high Black or Hispanic ratios of incarceration compared to whites fall into two categories: 1) those such as Wisconsin and Vermont which have high rates of black incarceration and average rates of white incarceration; and, 2) states such as New Jersey and Connecticut which have average rates of black incarceration and below-average rates of white incarceration. In both cases, the ratio of incarceration by race is higher than average.


Thus providing clear and irrefutable evidence that the north has a bigger problem with institutional racism than the south.

Now, what that has to do with voting for Obama, I don't know. I never said there werent ANY racists in the south, merely that placing all of the blame on the south obfuscates the larger issues with racism that are still alive and well all over america - not just in backwoods Mississippi.

Perhaps you can explain your reasoning to me, as I have explained my reasoning to you, because I'm pretty confused as to how a "black Muslim congressman" or voting for Obama relates to the larger point about institutional racism being a larger problem in the north.
 
2013-02-16 03:57:11 PM  

Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men


I have a right to not be examined by a man without necessarily having to hate him or have been abused.  If I just don't feel like having a man examine me, you have to deal with it.
 
2013-02-16 04:00:50 PM  
I see a lot of hospital haters conveniently dodging my post.

People blind with outrage are missing the point entirely.

It is considered unethical to get involved and use the hospital as a means of dispensing moralistic or political beliefs.

The natural consequence of failing to remain neutral is administering political judgement by withholding healthcare.

Which can easily become tantamount to murder for the sake of one's politics.

Do you all honestly not see the relevance in this, or is it that you refuse to even think about it for the sake of enjoying your high from having a perceived superior moral stance in the first place.

Bunch of hypocrites I say.

I hope that one day you find yourself as the moral minority in a society that has a problem with your chosen stance and find yourself in dire need of health care.  Maybe that will be enough to point out how foolish you are.
/but probably not
 
2013-02-16 04:02:50 PM  

cman: coco ebert: cman: WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every culture

It doesn't.

To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.

Every culture deals with it.

Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.

Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.


 So... about 40,000 to 1,000,000 years then? Geologically speaking.
 
2013-02-16 04:03:37 PM  
hospitals have sick and/or dying people in them. they shouldn't be entertaining this bullshiat.
 
2013-02-16 04:05:36 PM  
Blacks are much more likely to suffer from vitamin D deficiency than are whites.

Conclusion: The sun is racist against black people.

Whites are much more likely to be stricken with melanoma than are blacks.

Conclusion: The sun is racist against white people.
 
2013-02-16 04:15:16 PM  

omeganuepsilon: cman:

Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.

False.  All we can do is attempt to not act on our instincts.

For some the fear is so great that they cannot overcome it on our own.  They could no sooner stop their heart from beating by will alone.

With counseling and exposure, we can decrease many "unreasonable" phobia's, but that is not an art we've perfected as of yet.
________

As for the article.  The hospital's purpose is the comfort and treatment of it's customers/patients.  If you want a different doctor or nurse, you get one(if one's available).  They do not exist to enforce acceptance and cultural diversity.

The nurse did not suffer a negative repercussion, such as wrongful termination or temporary loss of wages, she was simply reassigned.

Retarded lawsuit is retarded.

In any case, there is only one situation where the patients/customers should be forced to deal with staff that they dislike, lack of alternatives, be it diversity or skill of the employee.  In that case the hospital would be well within it's rights to say, "She's the only nurse available, so you'll have to deal with it."

Care for the baby is what is important, and if it comes down to the baby being at risk, you re-arrange the staff as needed.  You do not kick the baby out into the street because the parents are assholes.  It may feel dirty in that you're placating the assholes, but when that means better care for the actual patient, it's their duty to remain neutral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, s ...



Well said.
 
2013-02-16 04:29:05 PM  
If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue if they did not do as they requested. If the situation was a life-saving emergency for the infant then I would be more concerned about the child's life than the racism of the parents. People not wanting certain people to treat and touch them in hospitals is common. The nurse shouldn't have sued. Vent all she wants in privacy, but when you work at a hospital you will encounter all sorts if nasty people so she had better get used to it.
 
2013-02-16 04:32:59 PM  

mekki: Say they told the parents that they weren't going to follow their request and they can take the baby and go home. So, they take the baby home and for whatever reason, the baby on that day or the next becomes ill and dies. The couple can sue the hospital and say that the hospital refused to care for the baby as requested and as a result, the baby became ill and died.


That lawsuit's survival would hinge on proof that care from a black nurse directly contributed to the child's death. I'd defend that case.
 
2013-02-16 04:40:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men

I have a right to not be examined by a man without necessarily having to hate him or have been abused.


I see you conveniently missed out on the part where I said "half of these women are just private people, or were mistreated."  I wasn't lumping them together as 'mistreated private' people, my point was there's usually a difference between how private OR mistreated women ask for males, compared to the women that scream at the top of their lungs when a male even makes a presence into their room because of some penis vendetta.

A polite request is usually met with polite response and quiet accommodation, my point was some women are just nasty about it.  Men are different, where there are far fewer gender-based requests, and too many of them are usually requests for opposite sex attendants- which isn't usually honored because being a pervert is as legally protected as being racist.
 
2013-02-16 04:57:21 PM  

4seasons85!: If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue if they did not do as they requested. If the situation was a life-saving emergency for the infant then I would be more concerned about the child's life than the racism of the parents. People not wanting certain people to treat and touch them in hospitals is common. The nurse shouldn't have sued. Vent all she wants in privacy, but when you work at a hospital you will encounter all sorts if nasty people so she had better get used to it.


The proper response would be to tell the complaining father that our hospital doesn't consider race or color when hiring nurses, only superb qualifications.  If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.  The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.  The father wasn't just complaining about the ethnicity of the nurse, he was questioning the hospital's judgement in its hiring decisions.  If he then wants to sue the hospital and broadcast to all the world that he's a racist bigot, let him.  Hospital had to defend their employee here, not kowtow to an idiot.  The customer is not always right.

Another strategy would be to inform the complaining father that NO ONE on the staff would have anything to do with his baby.  After all, none of the good staff at this hospital would want to be contaminated by handling the child of a bigoted moron.
 
2013-02-16 05:00:52 PM  
 
2013-02-16 05:05:52 PM  

Mr. Right: 4seasons85!: If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue if they did not do as they requested. If the situation was a life-saving emergency for the infant then I would be more concerned about the child's life than the racism of the parents. People not wanting certain people to treat and touch them in hospitals is common. The nurse shouldn't have sued. Vent all she wants in privacy, but when you work at a hospital you will encounter all sorts if nasty people so she had better get used to it.

The proper response would be to tell the complaining father that our hospital doesn't consider race or color when hiring nurses, only superb qualifications.  If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.  The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.  The father wasn't just complaining about the ethnicity of the nurse, he was questioning the hospital's judgement in its hiring decisions.  If he then wants to sue the hospital and broadcast to all the world that he's a racist bigot, let him.  Hospital had to defend their employee here, not kowtow to an idiot.  The customer is not always right.

Another strategy would be to inform the complaining father that NO ONE on the staff would have anything to do with his baby.  After all, none of the good staff at this hospital would want to be contaminated by handling the child of a bigoted moron.


Your first suggestion seems Luke a decent idea however your second sounds perfect for a lawsuit.
 
2013-02-16 05:07:42 PM  
HOLY SH*T SUBBY! Are you trying to inform us all that there are racists in more than one state!?
 
2013-02-16 05:15:30 PM  

Coco LaFemme: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.

But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'

For the most part, the North IS progressive and liberal......just look at what states predominately vote Democratic vs. Republican in national elections.  That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states.  There are plenty.  Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states.  I'm one of them.  However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.  Like I was saying earlier about Chicago being very segregated.  I grew up on the North Side, but not in the rich part of town, and there were a lot of Hispanics in our neighborhood.......but no African-Americans.  It was a lower middle-class, blue collar, no-frills couple of blocks, too.  African-Americans predominately live on the West Side and South Side.  Not because they have to, but because when they migrated from the South in the early 20th century, that's where the meat-packing plants were, that's where the heavy industry was, and that's where they worked.  So they settled there and for the most part, have stayed there.  Wealthier people (read: whites) could afford to move away from the smells of all the factories, and settled on the North Side.  NYC is also pretty heavily segregated in a lot of areas, as well.  So the idea that racially-insensitive douchenozzles exist only below the Mason-Dixon line is pretty ridiculous.

BTW, I don't think Michigan is considered "flyover country."  When I think of "flyover country", I think of Kansas and Nebras ...


Progressive is a dirty word.  I'd rather be considered racist than progressive.  Progressive is basically a buzzword to mainstream the concept of antiquated white-guilt.  My ancestors fought for the north, so I'm not progressive.  I'd prefer to be known as pragmatic.  Racists don't want their children touched by black people.  Nothing more, nothing less.  It's only a story because of the implied social contract that we all need to become progressive eventually.  That's as absurd as racism.
 
2013-02-16 05:19:52 PM  
I'm not prejudice, I think everyone should own one
 
2013-02-16 05:20:41 PM  
What if a parent made a request that they were uncomfortable with a particular person handing they're child? Would it be unreasonable for the hospital to placate them? I mean no one lost their job right here right? Is the father an idiot? Yeah, of course! But no one was harmed here. Js
 
2013-02-16 05:23:15 PM  

aimtastic: Wonder what would have happened if the hospital's only doctor specializing in whatever's wrong with the kid was black?


Considering the kid was in the NICU for AT LEAST a month, I'd say that more or less happened.

You know, when you're not even sure your baby's going to live, maybe - just maybe! - you should keep out of the way of the people trying to keep him alive.
 
2013-02-16 05:23:27 PM  

Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.


Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.


omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva


THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
 
2013-02-16 05:24:22 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: I lived in a white neighborhood. The first black person I ever met was a black nurse when I was hospitalized at a very young age. I loudly announced, "You're a chocolate nurse!" and she threw her head back and laughed. She laughed harder when I said that must mean I'm vanilla. (I had ice cream on the brain) I have had a special spot in my heart for black nurses ever since. Those ninnies missed out is all I can say.


My little brother at the age of 3 took a baby wipe to a black friend of my Uncle's at a party and tried to "clean" him. He had the most confused look on his face when his skin didn't wipe off.

My Mom was mortified but thank god he found it hilarious.
 
2013-02-16 05:33:48 PM  
He must have been a liberal because only liberals are racist.

/wondering what the liberal tattoo equivalent of a swastika would be
 
2013-02-16 05:34:51 PM  
Does anybody remember when you could just go to fark.com for an amusing news story? Me neither.
 
2013-02-16 05:57:50 PM  

Elegy: Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.

Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
[i.imgur.com image 300x237]

And have a comparable number of hate groups
[i.imgur.com image 300x195]

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.



Isn't that everywhere in the country? Find some terrible sterotype/truth and it's no longer regional, but because the south has more black people, and had slavery almost 150 years ago, it's obviously more racist.

"Grand-pappy's grand-pappy lived in that era, but was dirt poor, but knew someone that had slaves, and he said 'times were good!' and that's how I'd like to be rememebered, for a person I never met and knew very few stories about, forevermore." - Everyone in Mississippi
 
2013-02-16 06:02:35 PM  

Frederick: The comments; my god.  FOX has nothing on CNN when it comes to stupid.


Except Fox no longer allows comments on their main (i.e. not Fox Nation) site due at least in part to how quickly every article descended into open racism against Obama.
 
2013-02-16 06:07:12 PM  

cman: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.

Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race.  They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.

This

Discrimination laws are quite clear. It is illegal to discriminate solely on the basis of race. When the parents made the request, the hospital should have told the parents to go fark themselves and there was nothing that could be done about it instead of going about breaking the law.

The hospital is in the wrong on this. There is no excuse.


The hospital didn't fire the nurse, it reassigned her. Good luck proving damages. The case isn't about the hospital discriminating, it's about the patient. If your plumbing is leaking, it's perfectly legal to discriminate when hiring a plumber to come fix it.
 
2013-02-16 06:08:47 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby.  You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.  I grew up in Chicago, and it's one of the most segregated cities I've ever seen.  That said, I think it's high time we started treating racism like the mental illness that it is.  I mean, you're so full of hate for ________, you don't want them coming into contact with your child?  Your brain isn't working correctly.  Something's wrong, and it needs to be fixed.


And let's start by jailing every owner of every Asian restaurant in the country. They're the most blatant discriminators when it comes to hiring.
 
2013-02-16 06:13:58 PM  
Okay, I think the crux of the lawsuit lies on the fact that Douchebag Racist Daddy threatened the nurse [flashing the swastika and "telling her to talk to her manager"] and instead of telling Daddy to "stop mistreating their employees" reassigned her and all the other black nurses from the NICU for a month.

Now THAT's a lawsuit.

Should a restaurant allow sexual harassment of it's employees [comments, pawing, etc] because "that's what the costumer wants"? NOPE, same idea.
 
2013-02-16 06:21:06 PM  
Michigan Nazis.

I hate Michigan Nazis!

cdn.hark.com
 
2013-02-16 06:51:44 PM  

Rapmaster2000: JerseyTim: Remember during the Clinton administration when the Michigan Militia was all the rage? How come those dudes didn't make a big Obama comeback?

They got better branding.  They only care about the budget now!

[www.michiganteapartyalliance.com image 850x410]


You suck, you're 12 years old and you will die enfeebled in an ObamaCare old folks home [1]. You sad sad bowl of throwup.

[1]  and above your last home there will be a sign flashing HAVE CORRECT TOLL READY
www.salem-news.com
 
2013-02-16 06:55:11 PM  
Michigan is actually fairly socially backward for a northern state.  For example, some of their policies against the LGBT community make Kentucky look progressive.
 
2013-02-16 07:06:57 PM  

4seasons85!: If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue



So you'll take her suit instead?

Look up discrimination people, because that's the request that was being made (and which was briefly entertained.) This nurse has a case and she will win. The charge nurse should have escalated the complaint/request, rather then kowtow to a racist's desires.
 
2013-02-16 07:18:41 PM  
CSB:

My sister-in-law, from Trinidad, was visiting us in Northern Michigan a few years ago.  She had a dental issue, so we went to a dentist.  The nurses were overheard arguing about who would treat her, because none of them wanted to do it.
 
2013-02-16 07:30:25 PM  

Githerax: CSB:

My sister-in-law, from Trinidad, was visiting us in Northern Michigan a few years ago.  She had a dental issue, so we went to a dentist.



Let me guess: Tobago stains?
 
2013-02-16 07:32:04 PM  

arashinogarou: Bit'O'Gristle: /and since you are admin, you don't know about shiat about real police work as you are riding a desk while the boys do the REAL mens work, you pointy headed office monkey pencil pushing retarded doughnut muncher.

/see? i can resort to name calling too. Happy now?

Bagels, not donuts, you racist Nazi!!


/I seriously hope you haven't been taking me seriously, Shirley.


/Nah, i was just smacking the ball back in your court.  And don't call me Shirley.
 
2013-02-16 07:44:01 PM  
NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

Came for that pic, can leave thread happy now.
 
2013-02-16 08:16:55 PM  

lack of warmth: Actually, this surprised me a bit.  Not that there are racists around, but him even letting his kid be born at Hurley.  We're not talking barely on the edge of Flint, we're talking downtown less than a mile from MLK part of Flint.  This guy is most likely from Burton and so it surprises me he didn't go to Genesis Hospital in Grand Blanc.  Would be the same distance from him, although Hurley does have a better staff for more severe cases.  They don't call it Burtucky for nothin'.


Seriously! If race is such a big issue for him, why would he go to Hurley? I'm betting with a swastika tattoo, this guy doesn't have a job and his girlfriend/wife is on medicaid. Hurley tends to be the default hospital with medicaid.
 
2013-02-16 08:18:15 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.

Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;


Neither the nurse nor the hospital was being in any way negligent in the care of the infant.  The patient's guardian was making poor choices on his behalf.  A nurse may well have the health of his patient uppermost in his mind but if the idiot patient goes out and chugs a liter of Everclear, no considerations of age, diseases, etc. will enter into the fact that the idiot has basically committed suicide.  In this case, the legal guardian of the baby has made those poor choices on his behalf.

Discrimination in employment on the basis of race, color, or creed (as the old wording said) is illegal.  The father is employing the hospital to provide care for his child.  If he is going to discriminate, the fault is his, not the hospital's and not the nurse's.
 
2013-02-16 08:56:53 PM  

ksdanj: Pointy headed Dad should have had Klan members deliver the kid at home if he didn't want no nubians touching his babby...


heystupid.files.wordpress.com
What's a Nubian?
 
2013-02-16 09:00:42 PM  

Mr. Right: omeganuepsilon: Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.

Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;

Neither the nurse nor the hospital was being in any way negligent in the care of the infant. The patient's guardian was making poor choices on his behalf.  A nurse may well have the health of his patient uppermost in his mind but if the idiot patient goes out and chugs a liter of Everclear, no considerations of age, diseases, etc. will enter into the fact that the idiot has basically committed suicide.  In this case, the legal guardian of the baby has made those poor choices on his behalf.

Discrimination in employment on the basis of race, color, or creed (as the old wording said) is illegal.  The father is employing the hospital to provide care for his child.  If he is going to discriminate, the fault is his, not the hospital's and not the nurse's.



The bold would be the main part I was talking about.  If you give a person an ultimatum, deal with it or leave, especially for an infant that needs to be in an intensive care unit, that is negligent.

Employment was not discriminated, the nurse was not fired.  She was asked to do other tasks at the disretion of her employer to placate an asshole , the purpose of which is to keep a peaceable of an environment as possible. THAT is the purpose of a hospital, NOT be the warground for people's political/racial/sexual issues.

The father is not "employing" the hospital.  They are seeking medical service, there is a huge difference.  A person can "employ" a private doctor, and in which case the situation changes.

The parent didn't make a "poor" choice, he made an "asshole" choice, that was irrelevant as to the welfare of the child.

You could at least attempt to be honest.
 
2013-02-16 09:02:40 PM  

Lollipop165: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

Is that a real pic? If so, awesome.



It's not real.
 
2013-02-16 09:11:46 PM  

The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.


4.bp.blogspot.comdisinfo.s3.amazonaws.com
Not that you're wrong, but there are some odd exceptions out there.
 
2013-02-16 09:12:15 PM  
What if the patient was a women and she was going to be seen by a male doctor but she asked for a female doctor instead cuz she felt more comfortable with a woman doctor? Could the male doctor sue the hospital for discrimination?
 
2013-02-16 09:14:41 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.

But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.


No, those were the voices in your head when you forgot to take your meds.
 
2013-02-16 09:20:18 PM  

assjuice: Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.

The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.


While 'number' is generally preferred over 'amount' when speaking of countable nouns, it is not incorrect to use 'amount.'

Also, please avoid calling other people 'dipshiat,' especially when you are, in fact, wrong.
 
2013-02-16 09:28:52 PM  
TiiiMMMaHHH:  I'd rather be considered racist than progressive.

Well, you're in luck, then.
 
2013-02-16 09:32:05 PM  
Over the last few weeks, there have been SO many gun troll threads on fark, and I've been amazed how SO many single-issue posters continued to flock to those threads, which consistently became the most commented threads of the day.

At some point, it occurred to me that someone must have the theory that those single issue posters, lured back to Fark on a daily basis, sometimes several times a day, would eventually diversify and start to participate in other threads.

If that was, in fact, an intentional strategy, then someone must feel quite vindicated by this thread, as it's quite decorated with posters who have rarely, if ever, bothered to comment in threads outside of gun-related topics.

TLDR: Drew must be thrilled that the gun tards are branching out and joining forces with the Fark Bigot Brigade.
 
2013-02-16 09:42:31 PM  
Having worked in healthcare I sympathise with the hospital a bit.  When about 90% of the people you deal with in a day are arseholes, anything easy you can do to lessen the annoyance is a relief.  Why cause all that grief and complaining when a simple staff swap will solve it?

I had 200 other clients to deal with.  You don't want a female case worker?  Fine.  You don't want a foreign case worker?  Fine.  You want a non-white case worker?  Fine.


/Never had a white person ask for a white case worker or doctor
//Had a lot of non-white people ask for a non-white case worker or doctor
///But that's not racism, that's "respecting their culture"
 
2013-02-16 09:48:42 PM  

ciberido: TiiiMMMaHHH:  I'd rather be considered racist than progressive.

Well, you're in luck, then.


[snort, guffaw]

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 09:55:26 PM  
Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.
 
2013-02-16 09:59:15 PM  
is it okay if lesbians don't want men involved?
 
2013-02-16 10:03:14 PM  

Wayne 985: Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.


OR

They are people who put healing ahead of personal feelings of any topic.
 
2013-02-16 10:04:34 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Wayne 985: Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.

OR

They are people who put healing ahead of personal feelings of any topic.


The black nurse wasn't qualified? I'll just assume you're a coward.

Throw good people under the bus and help nothing so long as you can avoid rocking the boat.
 
2013-02-16 10:13:11 PM  

Wayne 985: The black nurse wasn't qualified?


Did i say that?

You are in possession of some very faulty reasoning skills if that's what you think I meant.
/troll harder
 
2013-02-16 10:17:05 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Wayne 985: The black nurse wasn't qualified?

Did i say that?

You are in possession of some very faulty reasoning skills if that's what you think I meant.
/troll harder


"Put healing ahead", etc. If the black nurse was qualified, healing would've taken place. Therefore, it isn't a concern. The concern is your ready and eager capitulation to hatred and ignorance by penalizing a good worker.

As they say about Fox News, you might not be racist, but you're #1 with them. The next time some buffoon wants a provider or a business to step on people for being black or female or Jewish, he can rest assured that you have his back.
 
2013-02-16 10:25:06 PM  

Wayne 985: Throw good people under the bus and help nothing so long as you can avoid rocking the boat.


What boat? What happened to the bus?
 
2013-02-16 10:25:22 PM  
The Hospital did the nurse a favor! Choice (A) look after a racists couples kid which you'll be under a microscope! God forbid the baby gets more sick! Or (B) go take care of another patient whose glad they have you as there nurse! Pays the same..
 
2013-02-16 10:57:40 PM  

Wayne 985: omeganuepsilon: Wayne 985: The black nurse wasn't qualified?

Did i say that?

You are in possession of some very faulty reasoning skills if that's what you think I meant.
/troll harder

"Put healing ahead", etc. If the black nurse was qualified, healing would've taken place. Therefore, it isn't a concern. The concern is your ready and eager capitulation to hatred and ignorance by penalizing a good worker.

As they say about Fox News, you might not be racist, but you're #1 with them. The next time some buffoon wants a provider or a business to step on people for being black or female or Jewish, he can rest assured that you have his back.


You're just fabricating an argument here, the argument you want to argue against, and blithely ignoring what I am actually saying.  I believe that's called a straw man.  That you're painting me in a negative light is also an appeal to spite.  Both of which are invalid tactics when it comes to proving a point with logic.

Hospitals accommodate assholes all of the time, of all flavors.  They do it because they take the hypocratic or a similar oath, which dissalows them to interfere or preach to those that are actually in need of healing, to keep their heads out of anything of the sort.  If you'd have read my previous posts honestly and with an iota of intellect you'd understand why.

They are supposed to take a benevolent path in regards to dealing with patients/guardians in all aspects of the patients/guardians lives.

Here's a neat nurses pledge.   International Council of Nurses' Pledge
http://www.snjourney.com/Newsletter/Articles/PinPledge.htm
"In the full knowledge of the task I am undertaking, I promise to take care of the sick with all the skill and understanding I possess, without regard to race, creed, color, politics, or social status, sparing no effort to conserve life, to alleviate suffering, and promote health.

I will respect at all times the dignity and religious beliefs of the patients entrusted in my care, holding in confidence all personal information entrusted to me and refraining from any action which might endanger life or health.

I will endeavor to keep my professional knowledge and skill at the highest level and give loyal support and cooperation to all members of the health team."


Note that second line.
I will respect at all times the dignity and religious beliefs of the patients entrusted in my care, holding in confidence all personal information entrusted to me and refraining from any action which might endanger life or health.

That's why religious people can choose a doctor of the same beliefs, why a female can ask to have only females attend her,  etc.

What's more, is that it is also in the policy of many hospitals, because founders of the hospital recognize the importance of remaining impartial that that which they find distasteful.

That is what the hospitals and staff that deal with the patient sign up for.  If they don't like it, they can find a different job.  The job has that ethical sacrifice inherent in it's very concept.  Letting politics into the arena can quickly lead a corruption of the healing that they are supposed to carry out.  You do whatever you have to to promote the well being and peace of mind of the patient/guardian, to include maintaining a stress free environment to the best of your ability as that promotes healing.

The only actual exceptions are legal requirements, which amounts to reporting crime, and not committing any(Ie not giving unauthorized drugs, etc)

There is a reason for a certain amount of tolerance in that profession, especially when it comes to things that are legally not defined, as anyone with a shred of empathy can understand, that it could be you.

Today you propose it is assholes we should refuse(via ultimatum), what happens when the social trends change?  What if the annoying optimism and extreme naivete had a fall from grace and were held in contempt?  Neither affectation is precisely illegal, correct?  Surely, even today, some doctors would rather not treat such people, just as some would rather not treat prejudiced bigots.  But they do, because it's their job, they signed up for that ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and do as needed to serve the patients needs.

What you're doing here is passing a moral judgement, which is in effect no better than the asshole you have a problem with, the same mental trappings and failures.  Liberals the world over fall into the same traps as the most staunch conservatives, the same logic, a different topic.  It's humorous, yet sad, when you see people carry it out.

If that means one nurse switches places with another, where is the harm in that?

She was not "thrown under the bus", indeed, making her work with and next to racists would be throwing her under the bus.

Now, if you want to debate the points I've presented in a rational matter, please do so.  If you want merely to continue and lie, and defame me, you can do that to, but just so you are aware, I've seen people have posts deleted or actually get banned for such things.  I suggest you tread lightly.
 
2013-02-16 11:25:26 PM  

Horse Head Bookends: ramblinwreck: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.

How exactly are race and gender the same thing?


You tell me.  Both are protected classes.  Both for BS reasons.
 
2013-02-16 11:25:56 PM  
Neo-Nazis in Flint?  Not news... sadly.
 
2013-02-16 11:43:16 PM  
coco ebert:
Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.

Spanish speaking Americas: European vs. Indian appearance.
Brazil: "although a large percentage of the population is black or has black ancestry, they represented no more than 8% of the 513 chosen representatives in the last election year."
North America: white vs. everyone else.
Europe: Blacks, (southwest) Asians
Middle east: Arab vs. everyone not Arab.
Asia: "Japanese Only" signs are common on bars.
Africa: Hutu vs. Tutsi, South Africa, slavery in Mauritania and Niger.
Australia: "White Australia Policy"

I think that's about everywhere. I could not find any references to racial strife in Antarctica, but I'm not sure would qualify as "many places" as you asserted.
 
2013-02-17 12:58:57 AM  

macadamnut: Wayne 985: Throw good people under the bus and help nothing so long as you can avoid rocking the boat.

What boat? What happened to the bus?


I caught that after I wrote it, but they're both vehicles, so I'm pretending that it works.

omeganuepsilon: Hospitals accommodate assholes all of the time, of all flavors.  They do it because they take the hypocratic or a similar oath, which dissalows them to interfere


The racist was interfering in his child's care. The hospital should've told him to piss off, and would have if they had any integrity.

Here's a neat nurses pledge.   International Council of Nurses' Pledge
http://www.snjourney.com/Newsletter/Articles/PinPledge.htm
"In the full knowledge of the task I am undertaking, I promise to take care of the sick with all the skill and understanding I possess, without regard to race, creed, color, politics, or social status, sparing no effort to conserve life, to alleviate suffering, and promote health.

I will respect at all times the dignity and religious beliefs of the patients entrusted in my care, ...


Who gives a shiat? The International Council of Nurses is not Hippocrates. It's a voluntary federation of nurses. What is this babble?
 
2013-02-17 01:19:47 AM  

ciberido: The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x357][disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com image 720x480]
Not that you're wrong, but there are some odd exceptions out there.


Given that the black guy has what looks like a yin-yang symbol on his arm, might the swastika on his chest be the Eastern religious variety?
 
2013-02-17 01:52:33 AM  

eggrolls: Michigan Nazis.

I hate Michigan Nazis!

[cdn.hark.com image 640x336]


content7.flixster.com
One thing about living in Michigan I never could stomach, all the damn Nazi vampires.
 
2013-02-17 01:55:35 AM  

macadamnut: Wayne 985: Throw good people under the bus and help nothing so long as you can avoid rocking the boat.

What boat? What happened to the bus?


i2.asntown.net
There you go.
 
2013-02-17 01:57:09 AM  

SN1987a goes boom: ciberido: The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x357][disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com image 720x480]
Not that you're wrong, but there are some odd exceptions out there.

Given that the black guy has what looks like a yin-yang symbol on his arm, might the swastika on his chest be the Eastern religious variety?


Makes sense to me.  I just thought it was an amusing picture.
 
2013-02-17 02:01:39 AM  

ciberido: assjuice: Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.

The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.

While 'number' is generally preferred over 'amount' when speaking of countable nouns, it is not incorrect to use 'amount.'

Also, please avoid calling other people 'dipshiat,' especially when you are, in fact, wrong.


Why cant we use our native English word "tally" over French and Latin "amount"/"number"?
 
2013-02-17 02:09:54 AM  

Wayne 985: Who gives a shiat? The International Council of Nurses is not Hippocrates. It's a voluntary federation of nurses. What is this babble?


The job of the nurses (and all hospital staff) is to serve the interests of the patients - in this case, a newborn child.

As for the butthurt, there's an app for that:

www.preparationh.com
 
2013-02-17 02:19:17 AM  

Amos Quito: Wayne 985: Who gives a shiat? The International Council of Nurses is not Hippocrates. It's a voluntary federation of nurses. What is this babble?

The job of the nurses (and all hospital staff) is to serve the interests of the patients - in this case, a newborn child.

As for the butthurt, there's an app for that:

[www.preparationh.com image 371x167]


And your position is that a black woman couldn't do that. Got it.
 
2013-02-17 02:20:02 AM  

ciberido: SN1987a goes boom: ciberido: The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x357][disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com image 720x480]
Not that you're wrong, but there are some odd exceptions out there.

Given that the black guy has what looks like a yin-yang symbol on his arm, might the swastika on his chest be the Eastern religious variety?

Makes sense to me.  I just thought it was an amusing picture.


Fair enough, it is pretty funny if you don't notice the other tattoo.
 
2013-02-17 02:44:56 AM  

Wayne 985: Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.


Or, perhaps, they just respect the basic human right to freedom of association.
 
2013-02-17 02:50:58 AM  

Wayne 985: Amos Quito: Wayne 985: Who gives a shiat? The International Council of Nurses is not Hippocrates. It's a voluntary federation of nurses. What is this babble?

The job of the nurses (and all hospital staff) is to serve the interests of the patients - in this case, a newborn child.

As for the butthurt, there's an app for that:

[www.preparationh.com image 371x167]

And your position is that a black woman couldn't do that. Got it.


For the record, I'm bored and not even terribly concerned with further replies here. Some of you have simply outed yourselves as moral cowards, which is even worse than the SS wannabe. You've endorsed his actions, but knew better all along. For that, you can -uck off, because you're deserving of ridicule.
 
2013-02-17 03:25:29 AM  

TheEdibleSnuggie: She's suing because the hospital denied her the opportunity and the ability to perform her JOB based on her RACE.


Nowhere in the article does it even remotely suggest that.
 
2013-02-17 03:27:37 AM  

DrPainMD: TheEdibleSnuggie: She's suing because the hospital denied her the opportunity and the ability to perform her JOB based on her RACE.

Nowhere in the article does it even remotely suggest that.


Actually, it says just the opposite. She was reassigned, meaning that she continued to do her job. The hospital did not discriminate against her in any way, shape or form.
 
2013-02-17 08:35:51 AM  

ramblinwreck: Horse Head Bookends: ramblinwreck: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.

How exactly are race and gender the same thing?

You tell me.  Both are protected classes.  Both for BS reasons.


And just what "BS reasons" would those be? Or do you consider "history of marginalization" BS?
 
2013-02-17 08:50:07 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.

Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;



Duty to your patient involves the best interests of their health, and ONLY that. You don't need to pander to their prejudices any more than you need to provide copies of Hustler magazine in their room or make sure they get BBC on their room tv's. It's just like when I was in the military- duty to my country meant obeying LAWFUL commands. If a senior NCO or a senior Officer, for that matter, asked even the lowest private in the service to kiss his shoes, he would be given a resounding "fark you, Sir" from one and all, and they damn well knew it.
 
2013-02-17 08:58:23 AM  

Wayne 985: Anyone who defends the hospital's action is either a racist or a coward (or perhaps both).

Period. The racists at least have the excuse of being stupid; cowards know better, but capitulate out of fear.


THIS.
I'd ten times rather be a racist than a coward- a racist may be educated out of his or her stupidity, a coward is a coward for life.
 
2013-02-17 09:43:33 AM  

cynicalbastard: omeganuepsilon: Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.

Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.

omeganuepsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Geneva

THE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;
I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;


Duty to your patient involves the best interests of their health, and ONLY that. You don't need to pander to their prejudices any more than you need to provide copies of Hustler magazine in their room or make sure they get BBC on their room tv's. It's just like when I was in the military- duty to my country meant obeying LAWFUL commands. If a senior NCO or a senior Officer, for that matter, asked even the lowest private in the service to kiss his shoes, he would be given a resounding "fark you, Sir" from one and all, and they damn well knew it.


Pandering = Acquiescing

If you want to claim it was "pandering" you'll have to prove it was with a "wink wink, nudge nudge" or whatever racist comments or something along those lines, and then it's prosecutable as harassment.

All duty requires sacrifice.  When in the military you had to maintain a physical standard, couldn't grow facial hair except a limited moustache, had to keep your hear within regs, couldn't protest in uniform, talk to the media without approval, couldn't go X distance from base without permission, or go to blacklisted bars and pubs(typically because they had a thing against the military and fights were common).

Both of the bolded are comparable to what was required of the nurse in this situation.  Following rules and guidelines is not "pandering" it's acquiescing to established standards.

No one was deprived of any rights or civil liberties here.  If you want to prove your case, that is what it hinges on.

No different than people asking others in this forum to not feed the trolls.  It's more akin to asking people to follow fark's posting rules.
 
2013-02-17 09:57:40 AM  
omeganuepsilon:
All duty requires sacrifice.  When in the military you had to maintain a physical standard, couldn't grow facial hair except a limited moustache, had to keep your hear within regs, couldn't protest in uniform, talk to the media without approval, couldn't go X distance from base without permission, or go to blacklisted bars and pubs(typically because they had a thing against the military and fights were common).

Both of the bolded are comparable to what was required of the nurse in this situation.  Following rules and guidelines is not "pandering" it's acquiescing to established standards.

No one was deprived of any rights or civil liberties here. ...



While you are right about much of the proceeding concerning the military, you still don't get it regarding what is an illegal order- or even request.
In the military, whilst I could certainly be told to get a haircut, I could NOT be told to sign a pre-flight check I had not carried out. And had this racist ape, for example, demanded that the nurses looking after his kids all be dressed in thongs he would have been told- and rightly so- to take a long walk off a short pier. And this should have been the case here.
 
2013-02-17 10:09:17 AM  

cynicalbastard: While you are right about much of the proceeding concerning the military, you still don't get it regarding what is an illegal order- or even request.
In the military, whilst I could certainly be told to get a haircut, I could NOT be told to sign a pre-flight check I had not carried out


That is a  Non sequitur.
No one told the nurse to do something otherwise illegal or even against hospital guidelines.

Sleeping with another man's spouse is not illegal, but the military will shuffle around personnel to avoid any possible effects of any possible animosity.
 
2013-02-17 10:56:00 AM  

omeganuepsilon: cynicalbastard: While you are right about much of the proceeding concerning the military, you still don't get it regarding what is an illegal order- or even request.
In the military, whilst I could certainly be told to get a haircut, I could NOT be told to sign a pre-flight check I had not carried out

That is a  Non sequitur.
No one told the nurse to do something otherwise illegal or even against hospital guidelines.

Sleeping with another man's spouse is not illegal, but the military will shuffle around personnel to avoid any possible effects of any possible animosity.


No, but the dork was trying to tell the hospital to do something illegal- change work assignments based on race. If the admin had an ounce of sense he would've said "Sure, whatever" and then once he was out of the room placed the request in file 13. Same as you would do if someone said "Purple aliens are going to eat my babby if the whole staff doesn't get together and read Ezekial once a day."
 
2013-02-17 11:12:21 AM  

cynicalbastard: omeganuepsilon: cynicalbastard: While you are right about much of the proceeding concerning the military, you still don't get it regarding what is an illegal order- or even request.
In the military, whilst I could certainly be told to get a haircut, I could NOT be told to sign a pre-flight check I had not carried out

That is a  Non sequitur.
No one told the nurse to do something otherwise illegal or even against hospital guidelines.

Sleeping with another man's spouse is not illegal, but the military will shuffle around personnel to avoid any possible effects of any possible animosity.

No, but the dork was trying to tell the hospital to do something illegal- change work assignments based on race. If the admin had an ounce of sense he would've said "Sure, whatever" and then once he was out of the room placed the request in file 13. Same as you would do if someone said "Purple aliens are going to eat my babby if the whole staff doesn't get together and read Ezekial once a day."


Regardless of his morality, once the preference is stated, it is understood that intentionally placing a black person close to him would be to instigate confrontation and animmosity.  He is the problem to be avoided.

It is the duty of the hospital, as with the military, to avoid such circumstances.

They are not treating her differently because of the way she is, they are treating him differently because of the way he is.

No one is saying that the racist is right, they are merely avoiding problems to keep the hospital as the optimal setting for recovery as possible.

That it is racism in this case is irrelevant as to the hospital guidelines.  If he were an asshole of the highest regard on a more socially normal sense, the hospital would by rights not throw the new girls in there with him, but the nurses that can handle it without reacting in a great manner, regardless of sex.

If it were a supreme biatch who's complaining about men, if enough staff exists, they would give her only women staff.

You're trying to paint the hospital as evil, and that just isn't the case.

Save a tree, stop putting yourselves up on crosses, and trying to blame "the man".
 
2013-02-17 11:26:24 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Regardless of his morality, once the preference is stated, it is understood that intentionally placing a black person close to him would be to instigate confrontation and animmosity.  He is the problem to be avoided.


Then the answer is even simpler. If the father is going to be a problem in an environment where you have multi-racial staff, you remove his visiting privileges. I've seen numbers of cases where even immediate family were removed and kept out of a hospital by security because, quite simply put, they were assholes.
 
2013-02-17 11:39:30 AM  
In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being. My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.
 
2013-02-17 11:50:38 AM  

cynicalbastard: omeganuepsilon: Regardless of his morality, once the preference is stated, it is understood that intentionally placing a black person close to him would be to instigate confrontation and animmosity.  He is the problem to be avoided.

Then the answer is even simpler. If the father is going to be a problem in an environment where you have multi-racial staff, you remove his visiting privileges. I've seen numbers of cases where even immediate family were removed and kept out of a hospital by security because, quite simply put, they were assholes.


That I would go for as well, if he was believably confrontational.   That the hospital chose to avoid testing that is also a reasonable thing.  To maintain peace and achieve one's goals typically takes that kind of give and take, concessions on both sides of the fence.

That is what can be infuriating about racists and the like.  That they can be upfront about it and ask for deferential treatment as would any other sick or disturbed individual, is the least troublesome of all possible ways they can be a bigot.  They actually achieve being a humble asshole. Admit it right up front, and there's not much you can legally do but deal with it as best you can, which is to treat it as a disability.

There is some merit in the idea of "turn the other cheek" at times.  Can't live life that way, but at times it really is the best way out of a situation.

IMO, it's kind of like people burning the flag that makes people angry.  Sure, it's understandably loathsome  but it's still a legal thing.  In other countries you do such a thing and you could die by firing squad or get beheaded on film.

I'm proud to live in a country that's civilized enough to protect that right, yet one that doesn't condone it socially.
 
2013-02-17 01:42:58 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.


Yes, hmm...I wonder where all those "Northern" racists came from...
 
2013-02-17 02:28:29 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Nah, i was just smacking the ball back in your court. And don't call me Shirley.


:D
 
2013-02-17 02:46:49 PM  
I really hope there is another "fundy pharmacist refuses to dispense birth control" thread hard on the heels of this one, because the resultant hypocrisy would be lulzy as fark.
 
2013-02-17 03:11:47 PM  

cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being. My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.


Both your parents saw combat against the Nazis? You mom must have been a real hardass.

Or a Russian fighter pilot. (Who were also hardass).
 
2013-02-17 04:05:24 PM  

eggrolls: cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being. My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.

Both your parents saw combat against the Nazis? You mom must have been a real hardass.

Or a Russian fighter pilot. (Who were also hardass).



Or French.  About 20% of  La Résistance Française were women.
 
2013-02-17 05:06:01 PM  

Marquis de Sod: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Yes, hmm...I wonder where all those "Northern" racists came from...


Born and raised there.
 
2013-02-17 07:05:07 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Coco LaFemme: That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states. There are plenty. Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states. I'm one of them. However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.

Yeah, I'll take this.

Plus Flint = Mid Michigan = where most of the racist douchebags in this state end up.


Seriously?  There's plenty in Mid-Michigan, but most of them are west of Lansing and north of Bay City.
 
2013-02-17 07:29:27 PM  

FloydA: eggrolls: cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being. My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.

Both your parents saw combat against the Nazis? You mom must have been a real hardass.

Or a Russian fighter pilot. (Who were also hardass).


Or French.  About 20% of  La Résistance Française were women.


Exactement.
 
2013-02-17 10:04:13 PM  

cynicalbastard: FloydA: eggrolls: cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being. My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.

Both your parents saw combat against the Nazis? You mom must have been a real hardass.

Or a Russian fighter pilot. (Who were also hardass).


Or French.  About 20% of  La Résistance Française were women.

Exactement.


If either of your parents are still around, buy them a drink for me.
If not, have one yourself.  You're descended from good people.
 
2013-02-17 10:24:53 PM  
The upper midwest tends a bit less racist than the Northeast or Pacific Coast, but not as racist as the Derp South.
And there's the occasional outliers all across the US.
 
2013-02-17 11:05:14 PM  

omeganuepsilon: ... They are not treating her differently because of the way she is, they are treating him differently because of the way he is...


You've just outed yourself as a troll.
 
2013-02-17 11:13:33 PM  

Wayne 985: Amos Quito: Wayne 985: Who gives a shiat? The International Council of Nurses is not Hippocrates. It's a voluntary federation of nurses. What is this babble?

The job of the nurses (and all hospital staff) is to serve the interests of the patients - in this case, a newborn child.

As for the butthurt, there's an app for that:

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And your position is that a black woman couldn't do that. Got it.



Of course a black woman could have done that, but she was not the ONLY person that could care for the child, and what was the hospital's alternative?

Should they have surrounded the nurse in a coddling chorus of Kumbaya while pummeling the father with Jell-O pudding and unplugged the child from life-support?

Should they have created a politically-correct scene, prioritizing the "feelings" of the nurse over the care of the infant?

Should they have alerted the media so that they could have live coverage as they tossed the infant and his (asshole) father onto the street so that they could PROVE TO THE WORLD that THEY hold political correctness as a higher priority than patient care?

Your knee-JERK reaction is as logical as it is (sadly) predictable, Wayne 985.
 
2013-02-17 11:33:37 PM  

Wayne 985: omeganuepsilon: ... They are not treating her differently because of the way she is, they are treating him differently because of the way he is...

You've just outed yourself as a troll.


i603.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-18 03:51:57 AM  

cynicalbastard: No, but the dork was trying to tell the hospital to do something illegal- change work assignments based on race.


Please site the law that says that that's illegal.
 
2013-02-18 03:54:17 AM  

cynicalbastard: In any case, far as I'm concerned, if this guy's a neo-Nazi he's lost any right to be treated as a rational human being.


Do you know who else said that people lost the right to be treated like humans due to their beliefs?

My parents killed people like him. Apparently we shouldn't have stopped.

But, then you'd be dead.
 
2013-02-18 09:33:03 AM  

DrPainMD: cynicalbastard: No, but the dork was trying to tell the hospital to do something illegal- change work assignments based on race.

Please site the law that says that that's illegal.


It creates a hostile work environment and discriminates based on race. The hospital's lawyer had to reverse the decision, you dolt.
 
2013-02-19 03:09:13 PM  

Wayne 985: DrPainMD: cynicalbastard: No, but the dork was trying to tell the hospital to do something illegal- change work assignments based on race.

Please site the law that says that that's illegal.

It creates a hostile work environment and discriminates based on race. The hospital's lawyer had to reverse the decision, you dolt.


You still haven't sited the law that was violated. Because you can't.
 
2013-02-19 07:37:48 PM  

DrPainMD: You still haven't sited the law that was violated. Because you can't.


I believe it's because you're asking him to do something that doesn't make any sense. Now if you want him to cite the law, well I could get behind that. Though he's probably right, and besides at this stage it isn't even worth looking up.
 
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