NutWrench: Mrs. Beasley: Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.Shoop. http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/klaner.aspRats. I was hoping it was real. Thanks!
Bit'O'Gristle: / 1/10 for all the typing you did, but thats all you get.
lack of warmth: GreenAdder: They exist in Michigan. Most of them are stealth bigots. These are people who seem fine, until one day something happens on the news. Suddenly you get an earful about their opinions on an ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. I assume this is like any other state, really.This is a special case. Here's a guy with a swastika tattoo, and he chooses to live in one of the most diverse cities in Michigan. This is like hating Macbooks and working at Starbucks. My only hope is that the baby grows up to realize his parents are full of it.Actually, this surprised me a bit. Not that there are racists around, but him even letting his kid be born at Hurley. We're not talking barely on the edge of Flint, we're talking downtown less than a mile from MLK part of Flint. This guy is most likely from Burton and so it surprises me he didn't go to Genesis Hospital in Grand Blanc. Would be the same distance from him, although Hurley does have a better staff for more severe cases. They don't call it Burtucky for nothin'.
Bit'O'Gristle: arashinogarou: Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin./Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray./LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job. That's not racism is it? I mean, it only counts to blacks right? I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein. fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason. Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.Since when is this all about you? But since this is your world and we are just suffering through it with you, how about this: You should feel proud that you scored so highly on those oh so difficult LEO tests. What's that? Oh yeah, I work in law enforcement administration, you poor excuse for a reta ...
HighOnCraic: Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi onI like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also: slavery and segregation).The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."
TheOther: Dadburns: I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies?Only if they wear the standard 'Aunt Jemima' uniform.
LoneWolf343: Elegy: HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist. I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.Stuff like this, I guess:The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white ...That data is a little old.
Bit'O'Gristle: /and since you are admin, you don't know about shiat about real police work as you are riding a desk while the boys do the REAL mens work, you pointy headed office monkey pencil pushing retarded doughnut muncher./see? i can resort to name calling too. Happy now?
NutWrench: cman: Spad31: Uh...so what? Someone is suing because they weren't allowed to handle an infant? Really? Who gives a shiat what reasons the parents had? They're not required to explain their preferences. So they may have bigoted reasons...big deal. Racism happens across every culture. Get the fark over it. It doesn't have to ruin your day.Someone is suing because the hospital should have shown balls and stood up to these assholes.This. The hospital has an obligation to put quality-of-care first, not to indulge some racists childish rodentine feelings. This means making sure that the best qualified people are allowed to do their jobs.
rga184: Once in a while, we get a patient that refuses to be treated by a resident. Usually, the attendings will tell them this is a teaching hospital and they agreed to be seen by residents when they signed the consent for treatment the moment they walk through the door.If they don't like it, they know where the door is.Now, I find it hard to believe that hospitals can do that for residents but not for their african american staff
Elegy: HighOnCraic: Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi onI like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also: slavery and segregation).The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."The original commenter was commenting in the fact that in the present day and their own personal experience the north was more racist, and asked (somewhat rhetorically, I thought) why the south had such a bad rep.Which brought up your long post of the Mississippi Commission.Then I essentially said "that's the whole point, the Jim Crow south ended what, 60 years ago?"And you say "but he asked how that reputation came to be!"At which point I say again the information you are using to support your views is out of date, and my issue is with the fact that people tend to base these judgements of the south and this obscures the larger problems of racism in America by scapegoating the south for all of America's racial woes.To compare, it would be like judging the whole of present day race relations in Chicago on the basis of the 1919 and 1966 race riots in Chicago.What if I said that New York is obviously a hig ...
Mrtraveler01: In all honesty, Southern Missouri is like Northern Arkansas. Even in the Delta region where it's as flat as a pancake. And then you get into Arkansas and realize that it actually does get worse.Then you get to Memphis which gives you a temporary gasp at civilization. Then you go through the really nice suburbs of Desoto County. Then you venture into the rest of the state which seems to be a cesspit of hopelessness and despair...at least until you get to Jackson for another temporary gasp at civilization. Then you venture into the rest of Mississippi.Then you hit the Louisiana state line and realize that Louisiana isn't too bad in comparison to what you just encountered for 300 miles./Has family in NOLA and does the drive down I-55 a couple times a year//Dreads the driving part
Retard Wrangler: I wonder if, had they not allowed the request, THE RACISTS would have then sued the hospital for 1st amendment violations?
TiiiMMMaHHH: Ed Grubermann: TiiiMMMaHHH: MBK: Spad31: O RRY? You're going to have to explain in detail why.Because the hospital is making health care decisions based on race. They are telling her, because she is black, she is not qualified to take care of the child.Do you have any evidence that black people ARE qualified to take care of children?1: She's a nurse. That means she had to go to school and pass tests, including practical work in the training hospital she attended.2: Slave owners in the south had no trouble at all of using blacks as nannies for their kids.1. She only passed the nurses exam because the hospital needed to meet its EOE quota. I call shenanigans.2. Slave owners could just rape or kill the slave if they effed up, so that doesn't count.As far as black people being qualified to take care of children; in the couple's defense, I offer the three following articles to support their bigotry:1. Chicago2. Baltimore3. Detroit
ajgeek: The guy is a horrible human being, but the nurse is a dumbass for suing her employer for sidelining her. They did her a huge favor by acquiescing. And I'd tell her that to her face, because I'm an Internet Tough Guy.Seriously, if the hospital had let her care for the child, we'd be reading that she was murdered and so was the child after being "tainted by the darkies." This deeply troubles me in a lot of ways.
SewerSquirrels: Elegy:I GIS'ed that image so I could read the text and this is what it said, "Number of times that Black incarceration rate is higher than White incarceration rate, 2001."I don't understand what that statistic means. Does it mean that MN voted for a black president in the last two presidential elections or that they elected the first black Muslim US congressmen?Maybe MS is just trying not to show off about how not-racist they are.
Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men
cman: coco ebert: cman: WhyteRaven74: Spad31: Racism happens across every cultureIt doesn't.To believe that it doesn't is to believe that blue is red.Every culture deals with it.Race as a social construct for organizing people is not a universal. It's historical construct that you see in many societies, but it is not a defining characteristic in many places. I think you could argue that there are socially-based hierarchies in all societies, but not necessarily racial ones.Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.
omeganuepsilon: cman:Racism is based upon fear. Fear is a primitive emotion. What is different could be dangerous and this is programmed into all of us. However, it is up to us on how we deal with it. We humans have the ability of complex thought and can override our instincts. Human nature must first change before bigotry can be eliminated.False. All we can do is attempt to not act on our instincts.For some the fear is so great that they cannot overcome it on our own. They could no sooner stop their heart from beating by will alone.With counseling and exposure, we can decrease many "unreasonable" phobia's, but that is not an art we've perfected as of yet.________As for the article. The hospital's purpose is the comfort and treatment of it's customers/patients. If you want a different doctor or nurse, you get one(if one's available). They do not exist to enforce acceptance and cultural diversity.The nurse did not suffer a negative repercussion, such as wrongful termination or temporary loss of wages, she was simply reassigned.Retarded lawsuit is retarded.In any case, there is only one situation where the patients/customers should be forced to deal with staff that they dislike, lack of alternatives, be it diversity or skill of the employee. In that case the hospital would be well within it's rights to say, "She's the only nurse available, so you'll have to deal with it."Care for the baby is what is important, and if it comes down to the baby being at risk, you re-arrange the staff as needed. You do not kick the baby out into the street because the parents are assholes. It may feel dirty in that you're placating the assholes, but when that means better care for the actual patient, it's their duty to remain neutral.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_GenevaTHE HEALTH OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration;I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, s ...
mekki: Say they told the parents that they weren't going to follow their request and they can take the baby and go home. So, they take the baby home and for whatever reason, the baby on that day or the next becomes ill and dies. The couple can sue the hospital and say that the hospital refused to care for the baby as requested and as a result, the baby became ill and died.
The My Little Pony Killer: Joafu: The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on menI have a right to not be examined by a man without necessarily having to hate him or have been abused.
4seasons85!: If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue if they did not do as they requested. If the situation was a life-saving emergency for the infant then I would be more concerned about the child's life than the racism of the parents. People not wanting certain people to treat and touch them in hospitals is common. The nurse shouldn't have sued. Vent all she wants in privacy, but when you work at a hospital you will encounter all sorts if nasty people so she had better get used to it.
Mr. Right: 4seasons85!: If I was the administrator I would tell the nurse that, yes these people are bigoted a-holes but we can't afford a lawsuit from the couple who would almost certainly sue if they did not do as they requested. If the situation was a life-saving emergency for the infant then I would be more concerned about the child's life than the racism of the parents. People not wanting certain people to treat and touch them in hospitals is common. The nurse shouldn't have sued. Vent all she wants in privacy, but when you work at a hospital you will encounter all sorts if nasty people so she had better get used to it.The proper response would be to tell the complaining father that our hospital doesn't consider race or color when hiring nurses, only superb qualifications. If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital. The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee. The father wasn't just complaining about the ethnicity of the nurse, he was questioning the hospital's judgement in its hiring decisions. If he then wants to sue the hospital and broadcast to all the world that he's a racist bigot, let him. Hospital had to defend their employee here, not kowtow to an idiot. The customer is not always right.Another strategy would be to inform the complaining father that NO ONE on the staff would have anything to do with his baby. After all, none of the good staff at this hospital would want to be contaminated by handling the child of a bigoted moron.
Coco LaFemme: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'For the most part, the North IS progressive and liberal......just look at what states predominately vote Democratic vs. Republican in national elections. That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states. There are plenty. Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states. I'm one of them. However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism. Like I was saying earlier about Chicago being very segregated. I grew up on the North Side, but not in the rich part of town, and there were a lot of Hispanics in our neighborhood.......but no African-Americans. It was a lower middle-class, blue collar, no-frills couple of blocks, too. African-Americans predominately live on the West Side and South Side. Not because they have to, but because when they migrated from the South in the early 20th century, that's where the meat-packing plants were, that's where the heavy industry was, and that's where they worked. So they settled there and for the most part, have stayed there. Wealthier people (read: whites) could afford to move away from the smells of all the factories, and settled on the North Side. NYC is also pretty heavily segregated in a lot of areas, as well. So the idea that racially-insensitive douchenozzles exist only below the Mason-Dixon line is pretty ridiculous.BTW, I don't think Michigan is considered "flyover country." When I think of "flyover country", I think of Kansas and Nebras ...
aimtastic: Wonder what would have happened if the hospital's only doctor specializing in whatever's wrong with the kid was black?
Mr. Right: The hospital's responsibility here was to its employee.
Mr. Right: If he doesn't want his child cared for by a good nurse, he may go to another hospital.
Contents Under Pressure: I lived in a white neighborhood. The first black person I ever met was a black nurse when I was hospitalized at a very young age. I loudly announced, "You're a chocolate nurse!" and she threw her head back and laughed. She laughed harder when I said that must mean I'm vanilla. (I had ice cream on the brain) I have had a special spot in my heart for black nurses ever since. Those ninnies missed out is all I can say.
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