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2013-02-16 01:56:05 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Coco LaFemme: Racists are everywhere, subby. You can't just assume the South is the sole proprietor of these very special people.

But wait. Farkers have told me for years, by inference, that only Southerners are racist, idiotic assholes. Notherners (except maybe Ohio), are universally enlightened, progressive, and liberal.

But, since this appears to have happened in 'flyover country', I guess the Fark mindset counts this place in 'teh South'


For the most part, the North IS progressive and liberal......just look at what states predominately vote Democratic vs. Republican in national elections.  That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states.  There are plenty.  Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states.  I'm one of them.  However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.  Like I was saying earlier about Chicago being very segregated.  I grew up on the North Side, but not in the rich part of town, and there were a lot of Hispanics in our neighborhood.......but no African-Americans.  It was a lower middle-class, blue collar, no-frills couple of blocks, too.  African-Americans predominately live on the West Side and South Side.  Not because they have to, but because when they migrated from the South in the early 20th century, that's where the meat-packing plants were, that's where the heavy industry was, and that's where they worked.  So they settled there and for the most part, have stayed there.  Wealthier people (read: whites) could afford to move away from the smells of all the factories, and settled on the North Side.  NYC is also pretty heavily segregated in a lot of areas, as well.  So the idea that racially-insensitive douchenozzles exist only below the Mason-Dixon line is pretty ridiculous.

BTW, I don't think Michigan is considered "flyover country."  When I think of "flyover country", I think of Kansas and Nebraska.  If you're flying from NYC to LA, you don't go over Michigan, I don't think.
 
2013-02-16 01:57:04 PM  
In 20 years as a male nurse I've had exactly one patient not want me to care for her because of my gender. Is it a stupid farking reason? Sure. I'm a great nurse and give great care and she lost out on that, but that was her loss. Their are idiots and jackasses everywhere and if you're going to let your prejudices prevent you or your love ones from getting the best possible care, then ultimately, you're the ones that end up suffering, not me. Suing her employers is stupid, they accomodated the patient/parents while they examined their legal obligations. In today's litigious society, the hospital could have done very little else.It was never a question of the nurses skill or training, it was a racist idiocy that all could recognize for what it is. Sure, you could get into a pissing contest with bigoted morons and that would achieve what exactly (prior to it going through legal)? People need to man the fark up and drive on.
 
2013-02-16 01:57:47 PM  
To Hospital Staff,

Subject: Vis a vis racist arseholes

When faced with patients or persons accompanying patients who demand that medical personnel be determined by relative values of melanin present in their skin the correct response is, "No. You're welcome to go to a different hospital." It is not "Sure," "Yes," or any other form of acquiescence.

Thanks.

 - Everyone
 
2013-02-16 01:58:25 PM  
Sometimes, women will request only female staff to care for them (I've seen men request female staff only too, but for purely creepy reasons, fark them).  Men get the same medical training, so it's a decision based on gender alone.  Half of these women are just private people, or were mistreated, and it's a request that isn't handled any differently than any other reasonable request.  The other half of these women-requesting women pour liquid hate on men, and it's a blessing to not have to deal with them as a man as they're usually just as nasty to the women anyway.

I bet that replacement nurse was just as pissed and embarrassed for having to deal with them.  I honestly don't know why the nurse would want to stay there when they were going to give her grief based on her skin color.  This is not an excuse for racist behavior, but just surprising if this is her first run-in with racism with 25 years on the job.

When you're getting admitted, they ask questions about your care and how your needs can best be met based on religion, diet, medical restriction, etc, and I honestly think "Are you racist?  Is there something your bigoted ways will not tolerate?  Will you be nice to everyone that gives you quality care regardless of skin color?"  Racism isn't a legally protected 'right', and I think some social shaming would go a long way.  Hospitals really aren't required to care for children after they're born- a birthing, yes- but at the point in TFA, they could be asked to leave if hospital staff was not adequate for their needs.  A neonatal intensive care unit?  That's our competent nurse, stfu or gtfo.
 
2013-02-16 01:58:44 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.


I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.
 
2013-02-16 01:59:56 PM  

mekki: I think this is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations for the hospital.

Say they told the parents that they weren't going to follow their request and they can take the baby and go home. So, they take the baby home and for whatever reason, the baby on that day or the next becomes ill and dies. The couple can sue the hospital and say that the hospital refused to care for the baby as requested and as a result, the baby became ill and died. And we aren't talking about asking the hospital to give the baby untested medicine or do some questionable procedure. Only to make sure the baby is well enough to be sent home. People may argue about the racism problem but the couple was not refusing all medical treatment but service from African-American nurses. The couple still wanted treatment and if they were refused all treatment, it would have been the fault of the hospital. We aren't talking about a diner refusing service, here. We are talking about life or death treatment.

Honestly, I felt sorry for whoever had to make that call. They were cursed either way.


Your conjecture is either amusing or alarming, depending on whether you're serious.
 
2013-02-16 02:00:28 PM  

ramblinwreck: This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.


They should have handed the babby to the racists and said "sorry, that's who's on duty.  If you don'tlike it, you're welcome to go find another hospital.  Bye."
 
2013-02-16 02:00:34 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.


Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.
 
2013-02-16 02:01:10 PM  

Karac: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.


Unless she's hot and I don't want her knowing I've got a bum prostate.
 
2013-02-16 02:01:22 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: FARKmod daily checklist:

(x) Race troll thread
( ) Gay troll thread
( ) Gun troll thread
( ) Religion troll thread
( ) Political troll thread
( ) Funny and or entertaining thread


THIS.
 
2013-02-16 02:02:15 PM  

vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.


They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.
 
2013-02-16 02:02:28 PM  

Coco LaFemme: That doesn't mean though, that there are no racists/bigots/assholes in Northern states. There are plenty. Just like there are non-racists/assholes/bigots in Southern states. I'm one of them. However, the South has more of what I'd call "institutional racism", whereas the North has more passive racism.


Yeah, I'll take this.

Plus Flint = Mid Michigan = where most of the racist douchebags in this state end up.
 
2013-02-16 02:04:52 PM  

Hollie Maea: vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.

They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.


Yeah, well, what if they also have the plague and TB?
 
2013-02-16 02:05:16 PM  

FloydA: ramblinwreck: This is an interesting situation.  The hospital cannot deny healthcare to anyone of any race, gender, religion, etc., but what law prevents patients from accepting healthcare from those "protected groups?"  Management should have been a little smarter with this.  They should have just told the nurse that the family didn't want her to provide care WITHOUT providing a reason.

They should have handed the babby to the racists and said "sorry, that's who's on duty.  If you don'tlike it, you're welcome to go find another hospital.  Bye."


Was that the case?  Was she the only nurse on duty?  I see no problem with that if no other nurse.  They hospital shouldn't have to recall a white nurse, but on the other hand, the patient has the right to manage their own care, regardless of their stupid reasons.
 
2013-02-16 02:08:57 PM  
Southern buddy once told me, "Southerners hate black people as a race, but love them individually.  Yankees hate black people individually, but love them as a race."

Sounds pretty accurate to me.
 
2013-02-16 02:08:58 PM  

assjuice: Satanic_Hamster: Surprisingly large amount of racists and trolls in this thread.

The word you are searching for is 'number', not 'amount', dipshiat.


Oh I suspect most of the racists are fat too.
 
2013-02-16 02:10:10 PM  

Lochsteppe: Karac: 

I don't think HIPAA would apply to the nurse - she's part of the organization providing the health care.  It'd be like saying your doctor can't tell his receptionist to schedule you for a prostate exam.

Unless she's hot and I don't want her knowing I've got a bum prostate.



Where the hell else would you keep it?
 
2013-02-16 02:11:30 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Doktor_Zhivago: NutWrench: [dl.dropbox.com image 600x360]

I've always wondered if that pic is legit and what the backstory on it was.

It's a shoop.


Isnt that Wanda Sykes from "Wanda does it?"
 
2013-02-16 02:12:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: wellreadneck: You didn't watch any of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission hearings, did you?

Two guys tasked with figuring out ways to help Quebec be a little less xenophobic?  Sounds pretty boring.  Why mention it?


Probably because of all the decent and polite Canadian assholes that stood up in public and espoused their racist views without the need of a pesky first amendment to hide behind.
 
2013-02-16 02:12:41 PM  
As a self-hating white guy, I demand that only black doctors and nurses care for me, my wife and my baby.
 
2013-02-16 02:14:30 PM  

HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white professionals, teachers, and government workers in agricultural and other agencies, churches and community organizations. The "commission penetrated most of the major civil-rights organizations in Mississippi, even planting clerical workers in the offices of activist attorneys. It informed police about planned marches or boycotts and encouraged police harassment of African-Americans who cooperated with civil rights groups. Its agents obstructed voter registration by blacks and harassed African-Americans seeking to attend white schools."
The commission's activities included attempting to preserve the state's segregation and Jim Cro laws, opposing school integration, and ensuring portrayal of the state "in a positive light." Among its first employees were a former FBI agent and a transfer from the state highway patrol. "The agency outwardly extolled racial harmony, but it secretly paid investigators and spies to gather both information and misinformation." Staff of the commission worked closely with, and in some cases funded, the notorious White Citizens' Councils. From 1960 to 1964, it secretly funded the White Citizens Council, a private organization, with $190,000 of state funds. The commission also used its intelligence-gathering capabilities to assist in the defense of Byron D La Beckwith, murderer of Medgar Evers, during his second trial. Sov-Com investigator Andy Hopkins provided De La Beckwith's attorneys with information on the potential jurors, which the attorneys used during the selection process.


The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on


I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Of course, there is absolutely no evidence from the modern era that suggests the north currently has a larger problem of institutional racism than the south does.
Absolutely. No. Evidence. Whatsoever.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-16 02:14:38 PM  

Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."


You two are what keeps the word "retarded" alive.  "Protected health information" (PHI) includes info about "provision of health care;" who is  authorized to provide the care is certainly PHI. But PHI isn't protected from everyone by HIPAA.  It would be absurd if management couldn't tell staff who to care for.
 
2013-02-16 02:15:49 PM  

detritus: As a self-hating white guy, I demand that only black doctors and nurses care for me, my wife and my baby.


Good luck!
 
2013-02-16 02:18:20 PM  

wellreadneck: Probably because of all the decent and polite Canadian assholes that stood up in public and espoused their racist views without the need of a pesky first amendment to hide behind.


Ahh, I can only imagine what kind of critters were found as they picked up the rocks and pointed lights into dark corners in the back woods of Quebec.  I'm certainly not saying racists can't be found in Canada, just we have means of actually blocking them from trolling the rest of us and if we need to laws that can be used to stop them from pushing their asshole agendas out in the open.  We don't have to sit back and let them wargarbl into megaphones as they please and waste everyone's time.
 
2013-02-16 02:19:19 PM  

Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.
 
2013-02-16 02:19:53 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ed Grubermann: Bit'O'Gristle: A nurse is suing a Michigan hospital for allegedly acquiescing to a man's race-based request that no African-Americans be involved in his baby's care.

The lawsuit accuses managers at Hurley Medical Center in Flint of reassigning Tonya Battle based on the color of her skin.

/Ok, sure, that is a asshole move on managements part, but you are their employee, the customer is who's paying, and you go where they tell you to go. it's not like you lost money or got laid off or were demoted. Just because you don't like the reason they moved you, doesn't mean its against the law, or you're going to be able to cash in. Nice try though, come back later if you actually have a valid discrimination complaint that cost you money.

And another ethically challenged dimwit joins the fray.

/LOL so i guess I'm free to sue the local city i live by for lowering the test scores for minorities on the police exams, where i as a white male have to score much higher to get the job.  That's not racism is it?  I mean, it only counts to blacks right?  I as a white male can't be discriminated against by them bending over to the NAACP and ACLU by making it much easier for minorities to get a job there, whereas i have to score on the test like farking Einstein.  fark her, she got moved, she didn't lose any money, and they have the right to choose who works on their kids, no matter how farked up the reason.  Is it racist? Of course it is. However, it's their right to be backwards ass rednecks and pick who they want working on their kid. But i guess i as a white male can't be discriminated, for if i say i have, that makes me a racist. Whatever.


Since when is this all about you? But since this is your world and we are just suffering through it with you, how about this: You should feel proud that you scored so highly on those oh so difficult LEO tests. What's that? Oh yeah, I work in law enforcement administration, you poor excuse for a retarded chimpanzee, and if a special ed fifth grader couldn't pass those 1+1=2 "tests" I'd be surprised. Save your misdirected ire for the DWBs you'll be pulling over to extort money from, assuming you don't shoot your eye out in firearms training.

/and yeah I know, you were trolling blah blah...
 
2013-02-16 02:20:06 PM  

ramblinwreck: Lochsteppe: TheOther: Battle's manager called her at home to tell her she would be reassigned -- and why, the suit says.

Wouldn't HIPAA bar that information being passed along?... and in a fight between HIPAA and Civil Rights Act of 1964, which side prevails?

/correct hospital response was: take yor crackerass baby somewheres else, then.

There doesn't seem to be any medically relevant information contained in their request - the father didn't say "Keep that black woman away from my baby because she triggers my PTSD."

It's also nothing at all like a religious exclusion, for those of you trying to make that argument.  You can argue that religious excuses in general are phony-baloney, and maybe they are, but they're also protected by law to some degree.  This kind of discrimination is not.

Does there have to be a medically relevant request?  If I don't want a woman providing treatment, I can make that request and it would need to be honored.  I could refuse treatment from a male nurse because of some BS reason like, "males aren't as compassionate or caring" and I bet the man would probably shrug it off, maybe complain for a minute, then move on with his life.


How exactly are race and gender the same thing?
 
2013-02-16 02:21:24 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.


I'm with you, i grew up in the south but lived in the north;  the north wins hands down cause at least in the south you knew where you stood
 
2013-02-16 02:23:49 PM  

Bender The Offender: Hollie Maea: vpb: cman:

How is demanding that an African-American not handle your newborn considered to be "reasonable"? It isn't.

Who said it was reasonable?  Hospitals have to treat everyone, not just non-idiots.

They don't have to acquiesce to every demand of the idiots. If a dumbass comes in with the flu and demands a round of streptomycin they will tell him to go fark himself.

Yeah, well, what if they also have the plague and TB?


I was thinking more that they went online and convinced themselves that they had TB. Those things happen a lot, but the hospitals don't say "well the customer is always right, and we can't just treat the no idiots. Here is your six months of streptomycin just as you requested."
 
2013-02-16 02:26:46 PM  
This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.
 
2013-02-16 02:30:03 PM  

The Snow Dog: wontar: Why does everyone assume the father is white?

The apparent swastika might have something to do with it.


Not entirely true:

(On mobile device...)
http://56rebels.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/black-man-with-swastika1. j pg
 
2013-02-16 02:35:11 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kyosuke: Really? Examples?

Any of the many cultures on Earth with no concept of race as most people have it. Just because a culture doesn't like outsiders doesn't mean they're racist, they just don't like outsiders. The most interesting example of a culture without racism is the Tuareg of Africa, it's a culture, a very old one, made up of pretty disparate ethnic groups. Because of that their view on outsiders is, as long as you're not showing up with an army, you're welcomed.

As for how they ended up that way, both of these people are Tuareg, if they met they'd think of each other the same way two Germans consider each other German upon meeting.


That was actually an interesting read once I googled the crap out of it. Thanks.
 
2013-02-16 02:37:10 PM  
I dunno if anybody said this in the thread yet, but traditional Deep South whites would not have a problem with a black nurse handling a white baby. Who raised all the master's children on the plantation? Not the mistress.
 
2013-02-16 02:37:51 PM  

pfren1: This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.


How dare you bring facts and real-life experience to a Fark Daily Racism thread! Have you no sense of shame or decency? Sheesh.
 
2013-02-16 02:38:23 PM  

Jormungandr: Kyosuke: But the customer is always right!

http://notalwaysright.com/


Retarded site is retarded.
 
2013-02-16 02:39:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.


Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
i.imgur.com

And have a comparable number of hate groups
i.imgur.com

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.
 
2013-02-16 02:39:52 PM  
The man, who is not named in the filing, allegedly showed her a tattoo that may have been "a swastika of some kind" and told her that he didn't want African-Americans involved in his baby's care.

I'm sure the nice gentleman said it exactly that way, too.
 
2013-02-16 02:40:54 PM  

Tanthalas39: Jormungandr: Kyosuke: But the customer is always right!

http://notalwaysright.com/

Retarded site is retarded.


But if you don't let the service class have their little echoing sound boards like that they might do something drastic like organize and take to the streets, or worse petition for better working conditions...or even take a run at the presidency....no my friend that site serves its purpose in the grand scheme of things and its owner is smart for keeping it around.
 
2013-02-16 02:41:15 PM  

Elegy: The records also revealed the state's complicity in the murders of three civil rights workers at Philadelphia, Mississippi; its investigator A.L. Hopkins passed on information about the workers, including the car license number of a new civil rights worker, to the Commission, which passed the information to the Sheriff of Neshoba County, who was implicated in the murders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissi on

I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


The original question was about why the South had such a bad reputation.

A state-sponsored spy organization that was complicit in the murder of civil rights activists is a pretty good reason for that reputation (see also:  slavery and segregation).

The North has its problems, but it was never as bad as the Jim Crow south.

I can't recall any nothern cities nicknamed "Bombingham."
 
2013-02-16 02:43:03 PM  

Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that present-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.


I like how you pretend the "era of segregation" is some distant historical period. This is the era of segregation. Segregation is still widely practised and many of the people involved are still alive. And breeding, obviously.

Otherwise I agree with you that it isn't a regional phenomenon.
 
2013-02-16 02:44:29 PM  

Elegy: Mrtraveler01: Elegy: I like how you pull an example from the era of segregation to prove that preseny-day Mississippi (and the south in general) is more racist than elsewhere in the US, and somehow deserves special derision and ridicule.

Mississippi is always deserving of derision and ridicule. Regardless of the reasoning.

Dreadful state.

Says the man from... Missouri. Hi. I'm in..... Missouri.

Where we are so enlightened but...

we execute more people than Mississippi...
[i.imgur.com image 300x237]

And have a comparable number of hate groups
[i.imgur.com image 300x195]

But we still throw stones at them because they are racist bible-thumping rednecks while we, magically, are not.


In all honesty, I can't tell the difference between Southern Missouri and Mississippi.

It goes downhill pretty quick once you leave St. Louis heading South on I-55 or I-44.

Missouri is better...but not by much.
 
2013-02-16 02:46:45 PM  
Having a baby is a very personal thing. And the hospital should make every attempt to honor any reasonable request from a patient regardless of how odd or distasteful it may appear.

The hospital should have agreed to this and charged accordingly. It would have been the right thing to do.
 
2013-02-16 02:47:28 PM  

jenlen: pfren1: This black Mississippian has directly experienced more racism after moving north after college than I ever did growing up or going to school in Mississippi.

How dare you bring facts and real-life experience to a Fark Daily Racism thread! Have you no sense of shame or decency? Sheesh.


Exactly!  Why should look at anything beyond this one person's anecdote?

/sarc
 
2013-02-16 02:47:39 PM  

Elegy: HighOnCraic: ReapTheChaos: I don't know why southerners get such a bad rep for being racist.  I grew up in the north but spent most of my life in the south, I've known way more racists up there than down here.

Stuff like this, I guess:
The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission was a state agency directed by the governor of Mississippi that existed from 1956 to 1977, also known as the Sov-Com. The commission's stated objective was to "[...] protect the sovereignty of the state of Mississippi, and her sister states" from "federal encroachment." Initially, it was formed to coordinate activities to portray the state, and the legal racial segregation enforced by the state, in a more positive light.

The Commission was created by the Mississippi Legislature in 1956 in reaction to the 1954 Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education, in which the Court held that racially segregated public schools were unconstitutional. The "sovereignty" the state was trying to protect was against federal enforcement of civil rights laws, such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act, and U.S. Supreme Court rulings. The membership consisted of 12 appointed and legislatively elected members, and the Governor of Mississippi, Lieutenan Governor of Mississippi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives of Mississippi and the Attorney General of Mississippi ex officio. The governor sat as the chairman. Its initial budget was $250,000 a year.
As the state's public relations campaign failed to dampen rising civil rights activism, the commission put people to work as a de facto intelligence organization trying to identify those citizens in Mississippi who might be working for civil rights, be allied with communists, or just tipped state surveillance if their associations, activities, and travels did not seem to conform to segregationist norms. Swept up on lists of people under suspicion by such broad criteria were tens of thousands of African-American and white profes ...


That data is a little old.
 
2013-02-16 02:47:59 PM  
I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies? Any  body else read "The Help"?
 
2013-02-16 02:51:24 PM  
In all honesty, Southern Missouri is like Northern Arkansas. Even in the Delta region where it's as flat as a pancake. And then you get into Arkansas and realize that it actually does get worse.

Then you get to Memphis which gives you a temporary gasp at civilization. Then you go through the really nice suburbs of Desoto County. Then you venture into the rest of the state which seems to be a cesspit of hopelessness and despair...at least until you get to Jackson for another temporary gasp at civilization. Then you venture into the rest of Mississippi.

Then you hit the Louisiana state line and realize that Louisiana isn't too bad in comparison to what you just encountered for 300 miles.

/Has family in NOLA and does the drive down I-55 a couple times a year
//Dreads the driving part
 
2013-02-16 02:52:18 PM  

rga184: this is a teaching hospital


No, it's a learning hospital.  That's why they don't want the resident.  While your hospital may behave that way, others do not.  Let's see, I'm having C4-C5 fused and I object to a resident and they refuse - I don't think so.
 
2013-02-16 02:52:30 PM  
Are there more racists in the north than the south? I don't know; I have only lived on the west coast. But it is definitely true that the south elects more racists into political office.
 
2013-02-16 02:53:20 PM  

Dadburns: I thought white couples in Mississippi had traditionally had blacks taking care of their babies?


Only if they wear the standard 'Aunt Jemima' uniform.
 
2013-02-16 02:55:03 PM  
O hay, is this one of those threads where right wingers find an example of racism in the north and use that to pretend that there's no difference between the north and the south?  Because that's totally sane and has never happened before.
 
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