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(NBC News)   Russian bombers probed U.S. defenses around Guam at the same time as the president gave his State of the Union Speech. Military officials refused to speculate about the timing, but Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 121
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2013-02-16 10:26:08 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: texdent: Is Guam even that vital to us?

Yeah, pretty much


You know who else used to line up their aircraft ,so that a suprise attack could take them all  out in one blow?
Oh yeah , that was us too...
 
2013-02-16 10:27:55 AM  
It's been a while since I studied the Russian military but I thought pretty much all they used Bears for was ELINT gathering and countermeasures.  Do they still serve as bombers?
 
2013-02-16 10:29:16 AM  

buzzcut73: You do know our bases in Guam have been there since just after WWII don't you? They aren't exactly new. One of the reasons there is a continued presence is so that we don't have to build stupidly expensive bases in other countries. Last I knew, we were about to close our expensive base in Okinawa and move that operation to Guam.

Aside from all of that, Guam is a US territory, so we're pretty much obligated to defend it. Or do they not count because brown people live over there?


From what I've seen of overseas bases, basically everything has been rebuilt on that base twice over, or had the equivalent assets invested in them. The age of the base is irrelevant.

And yes, we are obligated to defend it. That's not really relevant either. People never want to justify the status quo with a quantifiable argument. Apparently we just need to keep doing shiat that is arguably good no matter the cost

Except when it comes to shiat in our own country.

And considering it's 1/10th the size of Rhode Island with 1/10th the population and no significant natural resources, how many military assets are required to secure their defense? I guarantee you the current answer to that is "as much as we can possibly justify"
 
2013-02-16 10:30:28 AM  

Snarfangel: In retaliation, Obama fired up the meteor machine. Take that, you dirty Russkies.


i1340.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-16 10:31:12 AM  
Because all major military powers do this to each other every day.

More important question is why this is news now. Guam must need money I'm guessing.
 
2013-02-16 10:33:14 AM  
 
2013-02-16 10:33:48 AM  

ClavellBCMI: I swear the Russians are going to be still using those bombers for 25 years after we finally retire the B-52, simply because they can.


We will never retire the B-52. If they try, some Historical Preservation society will sue to keep them active.
 
2013-02-16 10:34:37 AM  

texdent: Is Guam even that vital to us?


Yes.
 
2013-02-16 10:39:45 AM  

MurphyMurphy: YouPeopleAreCrazy: texdent: Is Guam even that vital to us?

Yeah, pretty much
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x240][www.vrc-50.org image 441x279]

Or we could close a military base in a region where we can just as easily use an allies territory and facilities. Like we do when we don't have the option of building stupidly expensive bases just for the sake of it.  In fact we could even encourage other nations to step up to the plate since apparently we are all in this together. (the whole reason everyone loves us doing it, we pay and they don't)

Fark, that would be terrible. The globe would run red and we would rue the day.

GUAM IS VITAL
and my ass is a corn muffin.


Look at a map. Together,  Guam, Midway and Hawaii pretty much command the Pacific Ocean.
 
2013-02-16 10:42:24 AM  
I think Russian bombers are the least of Guam's worries:
Link
 
2013-02-16 10:43:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is just to distract the Japanese from the murderous rampage a few days prior.


Don't blame me, I voted for Ackerman
 
2013-02-16 10:45:48 AM  
I love chicks speaking Russian.  I heard one chick say one thing on one of those meteor videos and got all distracted.  Maybe it's that talking to a chick with a Russian accent makes me feel like James Bond.
 
2013-02-16 10:45:59 AM  

SurelyShirley: Do the Russians have the right to bear bombers?


They launch bears. Steroided Kodiak bears. And attack blimps. If you want change, put out your cup.
 
2013-02-16 10:48:09 AM  
Russia never tried to probe our back doors when bush in office. He kept us safe from Russian bears trying to probe our back door.
 
2013-02-16 10:55:51 AM  

texdent: Is Guam even that vital to us?


Only if we ever have to fight another war in Asia.
 
2013-02-16 11:00:12 AM  
The Russians have been flying ELINT modified Bears to the edge of and sometimes into our air space since the 60s.  It's kinda their thing.  We fly out and say GTFO and they turn around and go back to Russia.  Everyone goes home and nothing happens (except that one time when someone collided with one by accident)

http://tu-95.net/tupolev-tu-95-bear-intercepts-from-the-1960s-till-t od ay/#
 
2013-02-16 11:05:03 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: The Russians have been flying ELINT modified Bears to the edge of and sometimes into our air space since the 60s.  It's kinda their thing.  We fly out and say GTFO and they turn around and go back to Russia.  Everyone goes home and nothing happens (except that one time when someone collided with one by accident)

http://tu-95.net/tupolev-tu-95-bear-intercepts-from-the-1960s-till-t od ay/#


4.bp.blogspot.com

As been said, this happens pretty much weekly, particularly in Alaska. Non-story.
 
2013-02-16 11:09:06 AM  

The Bestest: Doktor_Zhivago: The Russians have been flying ELINT modified Bears to the edge of and sometimes into our air space since the 60s.  It's kinda their thing.  We fly out and say GTFO and they turn around and go back to Russia.  Everyone goes home and nothing happens (except that one time when someone collided with one by accident)

http://tu-95.net/tupolev-tu-95-bear-intercepts-from-the-1960s-till-t od ay/#



As been said, this happens pretty much weekly, particularly in Alaska. Non-story.


That's the image that always came to mind whenever I heard about this stuff. Well played, sir.
 
2013-02-16 11:10:17 AM  
Who the hell cares. This is Russia we're talking about. They're practically a 3rd world country, and they do this all the time. Let me know when Zimbabwe sends nuclear capable bombers over Guam...that'd be a story.
 
2013-02-16 11:12:23 AM  
They've got ships at sea.
They've got missiles in the air.
Tanks on the border of Europe.
And spies everywhere.
 
2013-02-16 11:13:42 AM  

Tenatra: Since Vladimir Putin reclaimed the Russian presidency, U.S. officials said the number of such flights in the vicinity of the Aleutian Islands and Alaska have increased, but encounters with U.S. aircraft have remained "generally very professional."

How would the encounters end up less than professional without setting them off? Cutting them off in their air traffic lane? If their Russian road rage videos speak for the masses, then it seems like something even that little could spark a war.

/Yea I know their pilots fark around with us by buzzing our territorial waters, we launch our fighters and escort them back.


Back in the day, it was common for the gun turret(s) in the Bear to track the intercepting US or other allied fighter. So depending on the model of the Bear that was between two to six 23mm cannons pointing at you from pretty much point blank range. Not very friendly.....
 
2013-02-16 11:13:46 AM  
According to the servicepeople stationed there, GUAM stands for Give Up And Masturbate.
 
2013-02-16 11:13:53 AM  

The Bestest: As been said, this happens pretty much weekly, particularly in Alaska. Non-story.


www.tommyjournal.com 

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state."
 
2013-02-16 11:14:01 AM  

MurphyMurphy: And yes, we are obligated to defend it. That's not really relevant either. People never want to justify the status quo with a quantifiable argument. Apparently we just need to keep doing shiat that is arguably good no matter the cost

Except when it comes to shiat in our own country.


Guam is "our own country".
 
2013-02-16 11:19:22 AM  
Wow, blast from the past.

/at least I hope not...
 
2013-02-16 11:26:08 AM  
Bear
 
2013-02-16 11:27:40 AM  

ClavellBCMI: I swear the Russians are going to be still using those bombers for 25 years after we finally retire the B-52, simply because they can.


The Tu-95 is a fascinating plane and as you note has had a very long and continuing life. Apparently only about 60 of them are left, of the several hundred built.

/Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
 
2013-02-16 11:28:50 AM  

HighOnCraic: [www.tommyjournal.com image 539x503]
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state."


I will always love that image.
 
2013-02-16 11:40:18 AM  
Apparently Putin's getting more and more unpopular with an increasingly sophisticated Russian middle class, so his tactics get cruder and cruder to distract the window licker vote into kneejerk anti-Americanism.
Might work for him, maybe he actually means business. I dunno.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:15 AM  

jake_lex: I wonder how many American planes were probing Russian defenses at around the same time.  Or Chinese defenses.  Or North Korean defenses.  Etc. etc.

Non-story.


This.
 
2013-02-16 11:43:44 AM  

ethics-gradient: Apparently Putin's getting more and more unpopular with an increasingly sophisticated Russian middle class, so his tactics get cruder and cruder to distract the window licker vote into kneejerk anti-Americanism.
Might work for him, maybe he actually means business. I dunno.


Really, people are thinking too much about this.

Putin's not going to do anything particularly provocative, especially with the G20-Finance going on this week.
 
2013-02-16 11:45:53 AM  

ethics-gradient: Apparently Putin's getting more and more unpopular with an increasingly sophisticated Russian middle class, so his tactics get cruder and cruder to distract the window licker vote into kneejerk anti-Americanism.
Might work for him, maybe he actually means business. I dunno.


Our foreign policy is weak and our president prefers projecting power against terrorists instead of world powers. Look for the Chinese to make some noise around Taiwan next. America has bigger teeth but our lead wolf is a puppy.
 
2013-02-16 11:51:40 AM  

archichris: Our foreign policy is weak and our president prefers projecting power against terrorists instead of world powers. Look for the Chinese to make some noise around Taiwan next. America has bigger teeth but our lead wolf is a puppy.


Holy shiat.. you are dangerously clueless.
I consider myself slightly to the right of the President in terms of foreign affairs (which would make me damn near imperialist), but what you just posted.. wow.
 
2013-02-16 12:01:32 PM  

SurelyShirley: I think Russian bombers are the least of Guam's worries:
Link


Holy Shiat. Americans elected that moron? His command of the English language is amazing. Thanks for the giggle!
 
2013-02-16 12:02:57 PM  

dennysgod: [www.geekyasianguy.com image 550x400]

Is Guam a scandal yet?


Shut up, Milhouse.
 
2013-02-16 12:02:57 PM  

Snarfangel: I want to warn the Russians, if they tip over Guam, it will be considered an act of war.


You are, how you say- hitting the park! with your funny---ness!

Now watch while I do pull ups.
 
2013-02-16 12:03:15 PM  

SurelyShirley: I think Russian bombers are the least of Guam's worries:
Link


Also I'm supposed to go out to Guam for two weeks this spring (work-related.) Any tips on what to do, besides lie on beach/drink until I'm having fun?
 
2013-02-16 12:04:55 PM  

voodoomedic: SurelyShirley: I think Russian bombers are the least of Guam's worries:
Link

Holy Shiat. Americans elected that moron? His command of the English language is amazing. Thanks for the giggle!


As someone who lives in Hank Johnson's district.. yeah.. banner moment there. The sad thing is, he's still better than who he replaced, Cynthia McKinney.

/considered running against him
 
2013-02-16 12:07:58 PM  

Void_Beavis: First Obama gives away free Reaganphones in Cleveland, now this.

It's like we rebooted Final Fantasy and the last save point was in 1985.


That was gnarly, dude.

Damn you Mr. Zappa!
 
2013-02-16 12:19:14 PM  
Our president isn't picking fights with our allies so he's weak.  If he was a real man he'd start a nuclear war over nothing.
 
2013-02-16 12:28:50 PM  
В Советской России, мы заговора с целью бомбить крошечный остров в то время как ваши лидеры произносят речи и пыхтение воды.
 
2013-02-16 12:50:06 PM  
Iron Felix is not happy.
 
2013-02-16 12:50:39 PM  

PacManDreaming: jake_lex: I wonder how many American planes were probing Russian defenses at around the same time.  Or Chinese defenses.  Or North Korean defenses.  Etc. etc.

Non-story.

Yep. I keep forgetting that a lot of Farkers were born after the Cold War. If something like this is making them wet their pants, they would've been nervous wrecks in the '60s, '70s and '80s.


Actually, I'm kind of wondering if they honestly got lost and were too embarrassed to admit it, since TParanoidFA implied it was a training exercise. Or, hell, something equally stupid. I seriously doubt Russia's going to actually try fighting us after the Cold War, there's probably a lot of people in both America and Russia who would go let our leaders know where to shove it.
 
2013-02-16 12:55:00 PM  

Tenatra: Since Vladimir Putin reclaimed the Russian presidency, U.S. officials said the number of such flights in the vicinity of the Aleutian Islands and Alaska have increased, but encounters with U.S. aircraft have remained "generally very professional."

How would the encounters end up less than professional without setting them off? Cutting them off in their air traffic lane? If their Russian road rage videos speak for the masses, then it seems like something even that little could spark a war.

/Yea I know their pilots fark around with us by buzzing our territorial waters, we launch our fighters and escort them back.


Something like this
 
2013-02-16 01:02:54 PM  
www.fanboy-confidential.com
 
2013-02-16 01:30:26 PM  

badhatharry: texdent: Is Guam even that vital to us?

Only if we ever have to fight another war in Asia.


Oh please, what possible strategic value would an island 1600 miles from the South China Sea have?

And yes, I'm being sarcastic.
 
2013-02-16 01:32:56 PM  

PsiChick: PacManDreaming: jake_lex: I wonder how many American planes were probing Russian defenses at around the same time.  Or Chinese defenses.  Or North Korean defenses.  Etc. etc.

Non-story.

Yep. I keep forgetting that a lot of Farkers were born after the Cold War. If something like this is making them wet their pants, they would've been nervous wrecks in the '60s, '70s and '80s.

Actually, I'm kind of wondering if they honestly got lost and were too embarrassed to admit it, since TParanoidFA implied it was a training exercise. Or, hell, something equally stupid. I seriously doubt Russia's going to actually try fighting us after the Cold War, there's probably a lot of people in both America and Russia who would go let our leaders know where to shove it.


I would think it was a navigational training mission. As in, find this little island in the Pacific ocean and come back. They also do this with our carrier task forces.
 
2013-02-16 01:45:33 PM  

deadsanta: Forget bear cavalry, the Russkies have bear bombers?!? We're so farked.


We have Raptors.

neoavatara.com
 
2013-02-16 01:48:47 PM  

vygramul: deadsanta: Forget bear cavalry, the Russkies have bear bombers?!? We're so farked.

We have Raptors.

[neoavatara.com image 556x350]


Yeah, and the Raptors keep trying to asphyxiate their own pilots insteada doing their frakkin' jobs.

So much for that noise.
 
2013-02-16 02:11:51 PM  

johnryan51: Guam has been looking for a fight for years. It's why we shouldn't cut defense.


The US military could take on the rest of the world and win. It's unnecessarily over powered.

It is cute the way the Russians think they're still relevant.
 
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