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(Slate)   Russia has its very own Meteor Truthers, who claim their country was hit by a secret US missile in an effort to spark a new Cold War   (slate.com) divider line 36
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2013-02-16 01:49:34 AM
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Triumph: You know, the Russian Army immediately descended on that region and Job One was finding debris. They found three impact sites within hours and recovered meteorite debris. It seems to me that they are VERY interested in finding out exactly what it was. There wasn't even a split second where they were just going to assume it was a random space rock and let civil government investigate it. So if the question is "who's acting paranoid," it's the Russian military.


Ever watch Meteor Men? Those rocks are worth money. Russian general + free labor + authority to sieze stuff = profits.  Why let the local rubes cash in?
2013-02-16 02:18:28 AM
2 votes:
I wonder if Sarah Palin could see it from her front yard?
2013-02-16 01:55:36 AM
2 votes:
If we've found some way of accelerating big chunks of rock to 33,000+ miles per hour they should just embrace the fact that they're farked.
2013-02-16 01:43:57 AM
2 votes:
You know, the Russian Army immediately descended on that region and Job One was finding debris. They found three impact sites within hours and recovered meteorite debris. It seems to me that they are VERY interested in finding out exactly what it was. There wasn't even a split second where they were just going to assume it was a random space rock and let civil government investigate it. So if the question is "who's acting paranoid," it's the Russian military.
2013-02-16 01:12:38 AM
2 votes:

alcoda: onyxruby: We have people that think 9/11 was an inside job and the CIA sold crack to black people to make the ghetto's worse.

Why should the Russian's be any different? Every country has crazy conspiracy theory people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cointel_Pro


Word.
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2013-02-16 01:05:56 AM
2 votes:

onyxruby: We have people that think 9/11 was an inside job and the CIA sold crack to black people to make the ghetto's worse.

Why should the Russian's be any different? Every country has crazy conspiracy theory people.


Ummm..9/11 wasn't an inside job, but they did sell crack to black people back in the 80s to fund the contras against the sandinistas in Nicaragua.
2013-02-16 12:44:26 AM
2 votes:
So the Russians are on to us huh? The part they got wrong is we weren't testing missiles, we're testing a orbital slingshot to hurl space rocks at our enemies.
2013-02-16 12:53:59 PM
1 votes:

Teknowaffle: Jarhead_h: Practical side of things

 - this would have been a great opertunity for Russia to test an anti-ballistic missile system.   There are rumors that they did.


They didn't. There wouldn't have been enough time to even react to press the button to launch the rocket before it was out of range, and besides, it was moving too fast. Besides, a puny missile isn't going to do shiat to it. Now that there is data on mass and speed, when I get home I am going to see what would cause a bigger change in trajectory, a plane launched air to air missile hitting the meteor 90 degrees, or a plane getting hit by a pigeon.


actually there is no question. A sidewinder hit would probably shift the trajectory about a helium nucleus' diameter. (my calculator couldn't handle it). That piece of rock had 1.1 peta-Joules of kinetic energy when it hit the atmosphere based on the data provided.
2013-02-16 09:21:04 AM
1 votes:

Jarhead_h: Practical side of things

 - this would have been a great opertunity for Russia to test an anti-ballistic missile system.   There are rumors that they did.


They didn't. There wouldn't have been enough time to even react to press the button to launch the rocket before it was out of range, and besides, it was moving too fast. Besides, a puny missile isn't going to do shiat to it. Now that there is data on mass and speed, when I get home I am going to see what would cause a bigger change in trajectory, a plane launched air to air missile hitting the meteor 90 degrees, or a plane getting hit by a pigeon.
2013-02-16 06:20:43 AM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Clearly the work of the moon nazis


"Iron Sky" was a surprisingly fun movie.
2013-02-16 03:49:42 AM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: The part about the whole meteor story that most cracks me up is the fact that the we got so much good footage because the cops are so corrupt in Russia that everyone drives around with a dashcam running all the time. They've turned into a bunch of Little Brothers constantly watching the state.


Actually its to prevent insurance fraud and civil suits from people claiming they were struck by a vehicle, when they in fact jumped on the hood.
2013-02-16 03:32:44 AM
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: if you had the energy to move that mass in the first place, might as well just use that energy directly instead of some convoluted Rube Goldberg sci-fi fantasy.


*All* weapons are inefficient: energy has to be converted and stored -- and that entails losses. The idea with weapons is to convert a slow expenditure of energy into PE can be released instantaneously on demand.

Look at catapults: the energy investment in creating/moving the projectiles and "cocking" the catapult is far more than what's delivered when it's fired. However, they were used for a very long time because they were devastating and worked.
2013-02-16 02:29:57 AM
1 votes:
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This city is THE most nuclear contaminated spot on the planet and people live there...How? Now they get a 33,000 mph fireball and air burst equal to several megatons.

This is one happin' place.
2013-02-16 01:45:20 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Ivo Shandor: Stinkyy: Not that I'm paranoid, stricken with insomnia or that I listen to Coast to Coast, but George Noory is saying meteors were just seen over San Franfreako

Link.

Oh thanks, so from the video nothing much that I can't see on any night if I sit outside and watch the sky.

For the next day or two, plan on this being like the aftermath of the last "mass shooting." We're going to hear about every bright streak in the sky over any populated area ad nauseam; because we all know that until last night, there's never been a meteor within 100,000 miles of any large city anywhere on Earth. CLEARLY there is suddenly a huge swarm of giant meteors poised to strike.

Oh, and also which the government has known about for quite some time, and why haven't they funded some kind of early-meteor-detection system which we obviously need? It would have been cheap! and easy! What are they hiding? Who are they protecting?

I think that covers most of the bases.


LOL, I'd say say all bases are yours : )

/We cannot allow a meteor gap.
//I sorta miss the cold war, good times : )
2013-02-16 01:41:24 AM
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: Ivo Shandor: Stinkyy: Not that I'm paranoid, stricken with insomnia or that I listen to Coast to Coast, but George Noory is saying meteors were just seen over San Franfreako

Link.

Oh thanks, so from the video nothing much that I can't see on any night if I sit outside and watch the sky.


For the next day or two, plan on this being like the aftermath of the last "mass shooting." We're going to hear about every bright streak in the sky over any populated area ad nauseam; because we all know that until last night, there's never been a meteor within 100,000 miles of any large city anywhere on Earth. CLEARLY there is suddenly a huge swarm of giant meteors poised to strike.

Oh, and also which the government has known about for quite some time, and why haven't they funded some kind of early-meteor-detection system which we obviously need? It would have been cheap! and easy! What are they hiding? Who are they protecting?

I think that covers most of the bases.
2013-02-16 01:25:53 AM
1 votes:

Stinkyy: Not that I'm paranoid, stricken with insomnia or that I listen to Coast to Coast, but George Noory is saying meteors were just seen over San Franfreako


Link.
2013-02-16 01:24:58 AM
1 votes:

netringer: If it was near the US, besides aiming our nukes at Pakistan, we'd have Fox and Glenn Beck and Rush and Rosie and Sarah Palin entertaining us with all kinds of theories.

"You just know that this is just a plan by Obama to take away our rocks."


Every thread about how things are farked up in another country, there has to be some pedantic asshole who points out America isn't perfect either. Yeah, we get it, asshole, but we're not talking about America now. If you want to shiat on America, there are plenty of threads where America is actually the subject. We're talking about Russia right now, dickhead.

It's like, what if I started a thread about whatever bugs are plaguing OS X Mountain Lion, and then some asswipe barged in and was like, "Yeah, yeah, but Windows 8 sucks donkey balls, so it's all relative!" I'd be like, "STFU, asswipe! We'll talk about Windows 8 some other time! Either stay on topic or GTFO!"
2013-02-16 01:24:08 AM
1 votes:
www.broodingdetective.com

Cold wars do not work that way!
2013-02-16 01:23:31 AM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: I already saw this movie last year, when it was called "Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol". That version was slightly more believable, but both still suck.

I'm a big Brad Bird fan, but that movie lost me in the last act. I can kind of suspend disbelief enough to accept a magical Spider-Man glove, but I had to call bullshiat when it came to the missile launch. As soon as that Russian bird launched, the Russian sub would have been immediately torpedoed by the Los Angeles or Seawolf sub that was shadowing it, which would have basically started a US/Russia shooting war, which probably would have quickly escalated into a full nuclear exchange as each side would have thought that the other side was making a first strike. The lone warhead that they disarmed at the last minute before it hit San Francisco wouldn't matter at all because by the time it arrived, a full nuclear war would already have been in progress. There's just no way that you can defuse that situation like they showed in the movie.


Hmm, now I'm curious if our subs have authorization to attack on launch, it would seem a war warning or several levels of protocol would be necessary.
2013-02-16 01:15:51 AM
1 votes:
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2013-02-16 01:15:35 AM
1 votes:
What incentive would America even have to do that?

Have Russians looked at their country lately? We're more scared of Venezuela for Christ's sake.
2013-02-16 01:14:02 AM
1 votes:

megarian: The Snow Dog: It was North Korea. They're paid under the table by the US military indus trial complex to keep the knees a'jerkin' ; the herp a'derpin'. This keeps the cash flowing to those foul factor ies of evil. We don't need  Death MachineF-∞, but they want you to think we do.F*cktards.

Did...did we just see a stroke via words? Are you okay?


If he was having a stroke he'd just say 'aaaaargh'.  He wouldn't bother  carving typing it.
2013-02-16 01:09:09 AM
1 votes:
We're probably lucky this meteor didn't break up over Iran or North Korea.
2013-02-16 12:57:31 AM
1 votes:
To give proper credit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

The idea was Jerry Pournelle's.
2013-02-16 12:57:24 AM
1 votes:
They've just been reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", again.
2013-02-16 12:52:53 AM
1 votes:
Aww. We're all more alike than we know.
2013-02-16 12:50:18 AM
1 votes:
They should catscan that guy right away to see if there is a way to detect crazy medically.

You can't fix stupid, but there might be a treatment for this.

Hey crazy Russian dude!
Weapons are 'tested' at White Sands and such.
Breaking windows in Frezmybalzov doesn't help the capitalist conspiracy.
2013-02-16 12:49:14 AM
1 votes:

LookForTheArrow: The thing about kinetic kill vehicles aimed at earth is that


if you had the energy to move that mass in the first place, might as well just use that energy directly instead of some convoluted Rube Goldberg sci-fi fantasy.
2013-02-16 12:44:33 AM
1 votes:
What was the orbital rails idea the USA never tried called? To the conspiracy junkies that is plausible too.
2013-02-16 12:43:50 AM
1 votes:
Never mind the time the Soviet Union deliberately nuked itself to see how bad EMP is.  http://ed-thelen.org/EMP-ElectroMagneticPulse.html
2013-02-16 12:43:07 AM
1 votes:
I bet above top secret has lots of crazy crap on there by now about this.
2013-02-16 12:42:57 AM
1 votes:
If it was near the US, besides aiming our nukes at Pakistan, we'd have Fox and Glenn Beck and Rush and Rosie and Sarah Palin entertaining us with all kinds of theories.

"You just know that this is just a plan by Obama to take away our rocks."
2013-02-16 12:42:54 AM
1 votes:
The thing about kinetic kill vehicles aimed at earth is that, to cause any sort of damage, it's going to be massive enough that there's no "abort", long after you've aimed it, and are waiting for it. I don't see the appeal of that for the military.
2013-02-16 12:41:33 AM
1 votes:
Wouldn't that be more likely to spark a new hot one?
2013-02-16 12:37:11 AM
1 votes:
To be fair we are just about finished with that Iraq/Afghanistan BS. So it's about that time again....
2013-02-16 12:00:44 AM
1 votes:
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