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(The Chattanoogan)   Engineers face jail time for divulging the secrets to Monster Truck tires. To be sentenced on SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY   (chattanoogan.com) divider line 27
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2013-02-15 09:03:51 PM  
Cute headline, but it's about a little more useful things than monster truck tires. Like, construction equipment which would explain why the Chinese would be willing to pay so much.

I can't believe the court would only give them home confinement for selling a US companies trade secrets to the Chinese government. I doubt that would be all they'd get if they worked for Boeing or Northrup-Grumman.
 
2013-02-15 09:38:57 PM  
why am I not surprised china is involved in this case....
 
2013-02-15 10:10:14 PM  
BE THERE!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-15 10:26:13 PM  
From the court decision: Companies generally do not guard worthless information, and Goodyear is no exception.

Companies big enough to have full time lawyers guard worthless information as if it were the Crown Jewels out of fear that some competitor might decide to buy the same brand of toilet paper.
 
2013-02-15 10:56:47 PM  
You pay for the whole seat...

BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!
 
2013-02-15 10:58:45 PM  
What secrets? They're really big tires reinforced with Kevlar and steel braiding.

Sometimes your product isn't all that impressive! Also, we ship so much trash to China. How freaking hard would it be to find one and reverse engineer it?

/yes, the question was rhetorical
 
2013-02-15 10:58:53 PM  
Were they the HD tires with the gold-plated schraeder valves?
 
2013-02-15 10:59:18 PM  

ZAZ: From the court decision: Companies generally do not guard worthless information, and Goodyear is no exception.

Companies big enough to have full time lawyers guard worthless information as if it were the Crown Jewels out of fear that some competitor might decide to buy the same brand of toilet paper.


That's a great conspiracy, but few companies will piss away cash for lawyers on useless things. If it's such an easy item to reverse engineer why pay the defendant to steal anything?
 
2013-02-15 11:03:54 PM  
Back in olden times, it was China that had the unattainable technology for making things like silk and ceramics, and it was Europe that was stealing the secrets to make cheap knockoffs.  Any Sinophile FARKers know whether this plays into the current situation?  Something like turnabout is fair play?
 
2013-02-15 11:06:51 PM  
If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.
 
2013-02-15 11:16:51 PM  

James F. Campbell: You pay for the whole seat...cell....

BUT YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE EDGE!

 
2013-02-15 11:24:53 PM  

lack of warmth: If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.


I'd think it's a safe bet that the teams making shows like how it's made wouldn't be allowed to air trade secrets. I can explain how to build a business center without giving away any unique trade secrets and do nothing wrong, but if I started to give details of the data transmission systems or how we made PMS integration happen I'm suddenly into trade secrets.
 
2013-02-15 11:38:14 PM  

lack of warmth: If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.


The difference is that nobody can sit through an entire episode of How It's Made without falling asleep so the secrets are safe there.
 
2013-02-16 12:11:28 AM  

davidphogan: lack of warmth: If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.

I'd think it's a safe bet that the teams making shows like how it's made wouldn't be allowed to air trade secrets. I can explain how to build a business center without giving away any unique trade secrets and do nothing wrong, but if I started to give details of the data transmission systems or how we made PMS integration happen I'm suddenly into trade secrets.


That's when two women start living in the same house for an extended period of time.  Everyone knows that.
 
2013-02-16 01:04:12 AM  

lack of warmth: If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.


balsa glider =/= 737-900
 
2013-02-16 01:59:29 AM  

davidphogan: Cute headline, but it's about a little more useful things than monster truck tires. Like, construction equipment which would explain why the Chinese would be willing to pay so much.

I can't believe the court would only give them home confinement for selling a US companies trade secrets to the Chinese government. I doubt that would be all they'd get if they worked for Boeing or Northrup-Grumman.


Couldn't the Chinese officials just drive over to the tire factory and see how they were made?
 
2013-02-16 02:33:43 AM  
Interesting. The were sentenced and another court steps in on the basis that they might have caused unproven damages to a company and it gets reopened?

Let's also apply that yardstick to companies then and not "You have caused millions/billions in damage and maybe more, so we fine you three bucks fifty"
 
2013-02-16 02:49:22 AM  
Secret #1: make them really, really big.
 
2013-02-16 04:10:55 AM  

Gosling: Secret #1: make them really, really big.


One giant panda, coming right up
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2013-02-16 04:44:14 AM  

Weaver95: why am I not surprised china is involved in this case....


On the plus side, it wasn't Israel doing it this time.
 
2013-02-16 06:24:52 AM  

lack of warmth: If all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that be the same as seeing the episode of How's It Made when they covered large tires?  Besides the scale of the tire, wouldn't the only real difference between regular tires and construction tires be the rubber recipe that determines strength and wear?  I agree these guys broke contract, but it doesn't sound like they actually sold anything of importance.


And if all they did was take pictures, wouldn't that information be in the patent file for the tires? The patents I've seen for that sort of thing all had pretty detailed cross-sections.
 
2013-02-16 11:30:53 AM  
More bad news for the defendants came when the government cross-appealed their sentence, originally a four-month period of home confinement.


Since when does the government get to appeal criminal trial outcomes?  Isn't that specifically banned by the Constitution?

And why is this a criminal trial anyway wouldn't this be a civil issue?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-16 12:05:11 PM  
Since when does the government get to appeal criminal trial outcomes?

The government can appeal an illegal sentence, like if a man is convicted of murder but sentenced to 48 hours in jail. In this case the judge violated the procedure for sentencing. The jury found that valuable trade secrets had been stolen. The prosecutor presented evidence of the dollar amount of the trade secrets. The judge said no harm done, contrary to the verdict and the evidence, and imposed a light sentence. He has to explain that finding or increase the sentence to the usual range for such crimes.
 
2013-02-16 05:00:13 PM  

Chevello: Were they the HD tires with the gold-plated schraeder valves?


The trade secret was the platinum plated presta valve inside the gold plated schraeder.
 
2013-02-16 05:05:20 PM  
In one of our quarterly meetings the plant manager has with all of the employees on our shift, someone said something about if our biggest competitor wanted our secrets they already had them, they'd just bought our engines and reverse engineer and tada. It's not always that easy.
 
2013-02-16 11:17:58 PM  
Subby,  Thank you.  I had fun reading that to my s.o.
 
2013-02-17 10:38:41 AM  
Hint: if you think that you're doing something wrong, you probably are.

These guys are guilty as hell, and they knew very well what they were doing was illegal.

The fed. court 100% confirmed their convictions - the only thing it remanded for review was sentencing because there was disagreement on how to calculate financial harm caused, which was relevant to both the prison term and the financial penalties imposed on the convicts.
 
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