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2013-02-15 05:56:45 PM
ABOUT FARKING  TIME!

As soon as a Banks kit comes out it will probably get 35mph, with it installed,  I don't use my Pick up for anything  that requires more than a 1/2 ton rating


SWEET!
 
2013-02-15 06:00:36 PM

Azlefty: 35mph


LOOK OUT, LEADFOOT APPROACHING!!!!

:P

And yeah, I've been looking for a new camper hauler, and didn't want to plunk down 50 large for crew-cab F250 or something..
 
2013-02-15 06:37:36 PM
Chrysler? Do they build a truck that ISN'T light duty?
 
2013-02-15 07:50:02 PM
Good idea, I would buy one and I am Ford guy
 
2013-02-15 08:12:54 PM
Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.
 
2013-02-15 09:08:47 PM

Dufus: Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.


I still want the El Camino to return. I prefer to drive a car instead of a truck I have to climb into, while still being able to have a cargo bed.
 
2013-02-15 09:25:47 PM

NeoCortex42: Dufus: Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.

I still want the El Camino to return. I prefer to drive a car instead of a truck I have to climb into, while still being able to have a cargo bed.


Considering they have crossover SUVs, it makes sense to eventually go back to the original crossover car/pick up
 
2013-02-15 09:48:14 PM
Not true. Nissan has a diesel Titan at their test facility right now
 
2013-02-15 09:50:33 PM
GM was going to bring one from Holden which is made in Australia thru Pontiac but......guess they still could with Chevrolet
 
2013-02-15 09:50:48 PM

Azlefty: ABOUT FARKING  TIME!

As soon as a Banks kit comes out it will probably get 35mph, with it installed,  I don't use my Pick up for anything  that requires more than a 1/2 ton rating


SWEET!


Sounds about right for a diesel!

Let's see, what do you figure, 5k+ for the diesel option, then the banks kit, ect.

You can buy quite a bit of gasoline for what you will spend to get that diesel option the way you want it.
 
2013-02-15 09:52:42 PM
Oh, and let's not forget that diesel fuel is what, about 70 cents a gallon more than gasoline.

No thanks.
 
2013-02-15 10:02:27 PM

Basily Gourt: Oh, and let's not forget that diesel fuel is what, about 70 cents a gallon more than gasoline.

No thanks.


It wasn't always like that. And also you get much better gas millage out of diesel. I just wish automakers would transition to diesel.
 
2013-02-15 10:17:19 PM
Hope they are wise enough to use a Mercedes engine.
 
2013-02-15 10:18:25 PM
So, it will have about the same torque, 2/3 the horsepower and maybe only slightly better fule mileage as the ECO-Boost in the F-150, and It'll probably cost more and be 25% more expensive per gallon. As for towing, if you need to tow more then 11,000 lbs, you probably need the HD truck just for the frame and brakes. Why didn't they do this sooner, it seems like such a winner.
 
2013-02-15 10:19:13 PM
My old gasoline two ton truck: 11-12 mpg.
My friend's 6.2 Diesel version of the same: 26 - 27 mpg. (M1008)

Diesels are more efficient, and can run on virtually any kind of oil. German engineer Rudolph Diesel used peanut oil to demonstrate his invention at the 1900 World Exhibition in Paris. "The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today," Diesel said in 1912, "but such oils may become in the course of time as important as the petroleum and coal tar products of the present time."

So. Better efficiency, more torque. Particularly with today's turbos and engine management, you do get the best of both worlds. I do disagree with how the oil companies have managed to eliminate MPG gains by racking up the price, but a 250 gal tank filled with filtered, used vegetable oil that I get for free from my local Chinese food joint provides the lols when I'm on long road trips. Plus the exhaust smells like egg rolls.

I dig the diesel's torque. I dig the higher mileage. I also dig how my $1000 diesel Mercedes just wanted to keep going - I bought the car with 266,000 miles and sold it for the same when she clocked up 378,000.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are awful diesels out there. The Olds 5.7 diesel was rushed to market and in production configuration, was an absolute dog. However, it's 2013, Europe is all over the tech (The VW Lupo gets 70+ MPG) and once more it's OK to move towards the future.

A nice six-speed manual gearbox with a good overdrive, I'll have more towing ability, get better mileage, and the engine will outlast a gas motor.
 
2013-02-15 10:22:34 PM
This thread started out in a hilariously way.
 
2013-02-15 10:26:44 PM
I thought all of Chrysler's stuff was light duty.

/ducks
 
2013-02-15 10:36:11 PM

Basily Gourt: Azlefty: ABOUT FARKING  TIME!

As soon as a Banks kit comes out it will probably get 35mph, with it installed,  I don't use my Pick up for anything  that requires more than a 1/2 ton rating


SWEET!

Sounds about right for a diesel!

Let's see, what do you figure, 5k+ for the diesel option, then the banks kit, ect.

You can buy quite a bit of gasoline for what you will spend to get that diesel option the way you want it.


Its definitely not for everyone, but if you drive a decent number of miles a year and like to run your car until it falls apart you could save some serious money.  On the other hand, if you drive 5 miles a day and buy a new car every 3 years this is not the truck for you.  It would be a good fleet vehicle for businesses and government agencies that use trucks.
 
2013-02-15 10:39:18 PM
does the fuel economy offset the price of diesel being higher than premium?
 
2013-02-15 10:44:15 PM

Znuh: My old gasoline two ton truck: 11-12 mpg.
My friend's 6.2 Diesel version of the same: 26 - 27 mpg. (M1008)

Diesels are more efficient, and can run on virtually any kind of oil. German engineer Rudolph Diesel used peanut oil to demonstrate his invention at the 1900 World Exhibition in Paris. "The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today," Diesel said in 1912, "but such oils may become in the course of time as important as the petroleum and coal tar products of the present time."

So. Better efficiency, more torque. Particularly with today's turbos and engine management, you do get the best of both worlds. I do disagree with how the oil companies have managed to eliminate MPG gains by racking up the price, but a 250 gal tank filled with filtered, used vegetable oil that I get for free from my local Chinese food joint provides the lols when I'm on long road trips. Plus the exhaust smells like egg rolls.

I dig the diesel's torque. I dig the higher mileage. I also dig how my $1000 diesel Mercedes just wanted to keep going - I bought the car with 266,000 miles and sold it for the same when she clocked up 378,000.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are awful diesels out there. The Olds 5.7 diesel was rushed to market and in production configuration, was an absolute dog. However, it's 2013, Europe is all over the tech (The VW Lupo gets 70+ MPG) and once more it's OK to move towards the future.

A nice six-speed manual gearbox with a good overdrive, I'll have more towing ability, get better mileage, and the engine will outlast a gas motor.


Deltahawk has a pretty good diesel aircraft engine. I have a friend who is looking at installing a pair of 200HP 4 cylinder engines in a Velocity V-Twin. Well designed two stroke engines, as far as he can can tell so far.
 
2013-02-15 10:53:40 PM

NeoCortex42: Dufus: Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.

I still want the El Camino to return. I prefer to drive a car instead of a truck I have to climb into, while still being able to have a cargo bed.


Try these (pity they're RHD)  http://Holden utes
 
2013-02-15 10:55:05 PM
My Ford Excursion PSD had terminal engine issues, so I am looking for a replacement. Sad to say, it won't be this Dodge...or any other diesel. I've had four diesels since buying my first, a 1980 Rabbit, and am just plain tired of the smell, sound and overall sluggishness of them.

Nope, my next one will be a Ford F-150 Ecoboost V-6, with 365 hp and 420 lb-ft on regular unleaded gasoline, compared to the Dodge's 240 hp and 420 lb-ft. Not to mention the Ford is rated to tow 11,300 lbs versus the Dodge at 7500 lbs. The price difference will favor the Ford, as well, with the turbo option adding $1750 to the price tag, versus an unknown, but no doubt higher premium for the diesel. Then there is the nearly a dollar a gallon difference in price between regular gas and diesel.
 
2013-02-15 10:57:26 PM
inglixthemad:Deltahawk has a pretty good diesel aircraft engine. I have a friend who is looking at installing a pair of 200HP 4 cylinder engines in a Velocity V-Twin. Well designed two stroke engines, as far as he can can tell so far.

That sounds really cool! Get ready for a seriously flat torque curve!!
 
2013-02-15 10:57:33 PM

Znuh: The VW Lupo gets 70+ MPG


Want.
 
2013-02-15 11:06:57 PM
 
2013-02-16 12:01:32 AM

Znuh: Whoops! Sorry, 90+ MPG for the Lupo!

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/16/automobiles/behind-the-wheel-volks wa gen-lupo-a-thrifty-spin-in-a-99-mpg-car.html


theprofitsacademy.com
 
2013-02-16 12:28:16 AM

Dufus: Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.


Dodge (errr...Ram) has the answer for that too.  It has adjustable height.  Basically the whole thing rides on air.  When you park it, the thing lowers itself.
 
2013-02-16 12:37:02 AM

NeoCortex42: Dufus: Can we please get a pickup that you don't need a step ladder to get something out of the bed? I gave up mud riding years ago so I really don't need anything with 3 feet of ground clearance.

I still want the El Camino to return. I prefer to drive a car instead of a truck I have to climb into, while still being able to have a cargo bed.


You might get your chance.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-considers-challenges-of-new-actual ly -compact-f-100ranger-pickup-truck/

that article references Ram bringing over the Fiat Strada

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/20/2013-fiat-strada-first-drive-revi ew /
 
2013-02-16 12:52:38 AM
As someone who occasionally needs to haul stuff around, this makes me happy.

As someone who has been engulfed in the trademark "Dodge blue" smoke at a redlight before, it makes me not care.
 
2013-02-16 01:02:10 AM
If this leads to Toyota selling a diesel Hilux here, domestic truck sales are doomed
 
2013-02-16 01:22:19 AM
The Ford Ecoboost is shiat. Dad picked one up as a company vehicle for my uncle to drive. The turbo basically runs non-stop at anything over 100kmh, and towing anything does basically the same thing. Once that turbo starts going, your gas mileage tanks. I'm getting better highway mileage in a 2013 supercrew with the V8 than he is in the same model with the ecoboost. We ran the same trip, same speed, and I used nearly a quarter of a tank less gas.

If you want a truck for running around in the city, it's not a bad idea, but if you plan to do actual truck stuff, just get the V8.
 
2013-02-16 01:28:12 AM
FTA: "Chrysler's truck division has announced plans to introduce a diesel-powered version of the Ram 1500 light duty pickup this year."

America's junk yards have announced plans to start accepting the trucks as worthless scrap in 2016.
 
2013-02-16 01:42:59 AM
As long as it sings Rihanna...
 
2013-02-16 03:51:48 AM
30mpg may even be a conservative estimate. Theres several mini trucks sporting swapped-in 4 cyl Cummins diesels that are fetching nearly 40mpg. I'm sure the cummins/ pentastar folks know how to squeeze every mpg out of the expensive juice.

/Owns an 06 f250 diesel and averaged 21mpg on my last highway trip.
 
2013-02-16 04:38:01 AM
I drive Toyotas exclusively these days:  I (we) have an Avalon with 165,000 miles or so on it, never had a problem other than maintenance; an SR-5 with 206,000 miles on its original clutch, never had a problem other than basic maintenance, and a RAVIV with 160,000 or so miles with no problems other than basic maintenance (1 set of brake pads and 1 set of replacement Michillen tires (best tires ever).  The Ford Explorer I had in the early 1990's I got rid of at 40,000 or so miles after the 6th warranty repair and the Dodge Ram pickup I got rid of with 45,000 miles after it occasionally refused to start and no one at the garage could figure out what was happening.
 
2013-02-16 09:17:29 AM
How much do I not care about that truck, let me count the ways.

I am a fan of modern diesel technology, though.
Jaguar makes a 2.2L 200bhp, 330ft-lb diesel that gets 55mpg.
BMW makes an absolutely monstrous 3.0L tri-turbo diesel with 380bhp and 550ft-lbs that still gets 45mpg.
Now THAT is my kind of motor!
 
2013-02-16 09:57:39 AM

MartinD-35: I drive Toyotas exclusively these days:  I (we) have an Avalon with 165,000 miles or so on it, never had a problem other than maintenance; an SR-5 with 206,000 miles on its original clutch, never had a problem other than basic maintenance, and a RAVIV with 160,000 or so miles with no problems other than basic maintenance (1 set of brake pads and 1 set of replacement Michillen tires (best tires ever).  The Ford Explorer I had in the early 1990's I got rid of at 40,000 or so miles after the 6th warranty repair and the Dodge Ram pickup I got rid of with 45,000 miles after it occasionally refused to start and no one at the garage could figure out what was happening.


I have had better luck with Fords. My 1988 F-150 has 385,000 miles with only basic maintenance, 1994 Explorer with 298,000 miles has the original clutch, I did have to convert both of these to the new Freon A/C systems though.
 
2013-02-16 10:09:58 AM

Gawdzila: How much do I not care about that truck, let me count the ways.

I am a fan of modern diesel technology, though.
Jaguar makes a 2.2L 200bhp, 330ft-lb diesel that gets 55mpg.
BMW makes an absolutely monstrous 3.0L tri-turbo diesel with 380bhp and 550ft-lbs that still gets 45mpg.
Now THAT is my kind of motor!


Jaguar doesn't make any of its diesel engines. they are supplied by a joint venture between Ford and Peugeot.

Ford's 2 liter ecoboost 4 cylinder is also in the XF (and the Evoque)
 
2013-02-16 10:31:59 AM

Stone Meadow: My Ford Excursion PSD had terminal engine issues, so I am looking for a replacement. Sad to say, it won't be this Dodge...or any other diesel. I've had four diesels since buying my first, a 1980 Rabbit, and am just plain tired of the smell, sound and overall sluggishness of them.

Nope, my next one will be a Ford F-150 Ecoboost V-6, with 365 hp and 420 lb-ft on regular unleaded gasoline, compared to the Dodge's 240 hp and 420 lb-ft. Not to mention the Ford is rated to tow 11,300 lbs versus the Dodge at 7500 lbs. The price difference will favor the Ford, as well, with the turbo option adding $1750 to the price tag, versus an unknown, but no doubt higher premium for the diesel. Then there is the nearly a dollar a gallon difference in price between regular gas and diesel.


We've got a 2011 F-150 with the EcoBoost motor, and it's fantastic!  65,000 miles so far, lifetime average 18.9 mpg.  On the rare occasion we tow (wife rides horses), it drops to 10-12 mpg, but it's the perfect application for our usage.

Verfall: The Ford Ecoboost is shiat. Dad picked one up as a company vehicle for my uncle to drive. The turbo basically runs non-stop at anything over 100kmh, and towing anything does basically the same thing. Once that turbo starts going, your gas mileage tanks. I'm getting better highway mileage in a 2013 supercrew with the V8 than he is in the same model with the ecoboost. We ran the same trip, same speed, and I used nearly a quarter of a tank less gas.

If you want a truck for running around in the city, it's not a bad idea, but if you plan to do actual truck stuff, just get the V8.


Sounds like there's something wrong with your dad's motor, then.  We regularly take long road trips at 70-75 mph, and the turbo is never on, and we easily hit and exceed the 21-mpg highway rating.  Testing has shown that the 5.0L V8 gets better mileage when towing, but we tow so infrequently, that the higher everyday mileage of the EcoBoost made it an easy choice for us.
 
2013-02-16 11:07:14 AM

MadManMoon: Stone Meadow: Nope, my next one will be a Ford F-150 Ecoboost V-6, with 365 hp and 420 lb-ft on regular unleaded gasoline, compared to the Dodge's 240 hp and 420 lb-ft. Not to mention the Ford is rated to tow 11,300 lbs versus the Dodge at 7500 lbs. The price difference will favor the Ford, as well, with the turbo option adding $1750 to the price tag, versus an unknown, but no doubt higher premium for the diesel. Then there is the nearly a dollar a gallon difference in price between regular gas and diesel.

We've got a 2011 F-150 with the EcoBoost motor, and it's fantastic!  65,000 miles so far, lifetime average 18.9 mpg.  On the rare occasion we tow (wife rides horses), it drops to 10-12 mpg, but it's the perfect application for our usage.


Very cool...thanks! I tow my vintage race car as far east as Ohio, so have lots of miles under my belt with the Excursion PSD. Towing a nearly 10,000 lbs (loaded) 24' Pace box trailer at the speed limit I have averaged 11 mpg over many trips, and it gets about 18 overall when not towing. Sounds like the new F-150 is the right choice for me. Same performance and economy, but none of the diesel downsides.
 
2013-02-16 11:16:44 AM

Stone Meadow: Very cool...thanks! I tow my vintage race car as far east as Ohio, so have lots of miles under my belt with the Excursion PSD. Towing a nearly 10,000 lbs (loaded) 24' Pace box trailer at the speed limit I have averaged 11 mpg over many trips, and it gets about 18 overall when not towing. Sounds like the new F-150 is the right choice for me. Same performance and economy, but none of the diesel downsides.


We were torn between the EB F-150 and a F-250 with the new 6.7L PSD.  Our service manager answered for us -- no hesitation, go for the EB.  The new diesel, as awesome as it is, never leaves the shop for regular maintenance for less than $200, thanks to the DEF and other exhaust treatment requirements.  With the integrated brake controller and active sway control (definitely get the Max Tow Package if you're planning on towing), it's like there's nothing behind the truck at all.  It's a towing monster.  You won't be disappointed!
 
2013-02-16 12:44:53 PM
One of my neighbors has an Isuzu 4x4 with a diesel with over 350K on it. Not the fastest thing around, but 45 mpg and it will drive through mud up to the radiator.
 
2013-02-16 02:59:27 PM
Hope it can be had in 4WD.

Also glad to see, in the same article, the new Ram Van.  Looks a lot like a Sprinter, which isn't surprising.  Hope it's bigger than the Transit.  Have a friend with a diesel Sprinter; he gets 40+ MPG.
 
2013-02-16 03:01:43 PM
I know its hard for someone to fathom why anyone would want a diesel when currently gas in our area is 3.83 and diesel is 4.17 on this day.

But here are the facts. I own a 2003 GMC Duramax diesel. It gets 18 mpg on diesel. The same truck in a 6.0 liter gas version would get 12 mpg.

So, at those prices, a savings in fuel cost by driving the diesel would amount to $1050 per year, over a gas engine equipped pickup. The diesel would pay for itself in 5 years.

When I first bought the truck, diesel was 30 cents a gallon below Regular. Back then, it only saved $796 per year in fuel but fuel was well below $2, and it was a significant savings, back then.

So if you are wondering what a "wash" would be at current prices, it would be $3.83 for regular gasoline, versus $5.75 for diesel.

Now you see why folks love diesel engines?
 
2013-02-17 04:38:42 PM

Pick: I know its hard for someone to fathom why anyone would want a diesel when currently gas in our area is 3.83 and diesel is 4.17 on this day.

But here are the facts. I own a 2003 GMC Duramax diesel. It gets 18 mpg on diesel. The same truck in a 6.0 liter gas version would get 12 mpg.

So, at those prices, a savings in fuel cost by driving the diesel would amount to $1050 per year, over a gas engine equipped pickup. The diesel would pay for itself in 5 years.

When I first bought the truck, diesel was 30 cents a gallon below Regular. Back then, it only saved $796 per year in fuel but fuel was well below $2, and it was a significant savings, back then.

So if you are wondering what a "wash" would be at current prices, it would be $3.83 for regular gasoline, versus $5.75 for diesel.

Now you see why folks love diesel engines?


Stepping up to the Duramax now is almost $10k over the gas motor, with higher maintenance/ repair costs and it's pretty hard to justify for most people on an economic basis.

Everyone had light duty diesels planned but they all postponed or cancelled their programs. The 4.4L Ford had planned for the F150 made it into the Range Rover except for North America. The 4.5L planned for the Sierra/Silverado was nixed, but they actually had a development model for the SEMA show back in 2008.  http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/05/gm-releases-details-on-upcoming-4- 5 l-duramax-turbo-diesel-v8/. Toyota and Nissan also kicked the idea around, then shelved it.

These engines aren't much cheaper to produce than the bigger ones in the HD series. They found it difficult to make the business case.
 
2013-02-17 08:13:44 PM
Whereupon the SCOTUS will rule it an unfair monopoly, and order it to cease production.

Welcome to Amerika, land of the free.
 
2013-02-19 01:31:54 AM

WittyReference: So, it will have about the same torque, 2/3 the horsepower and maybe only slightly better fuel mileage as the ECO-Boost in the F-150, and It'll probably cost more and be 25% more expensive per gallon. As for towing, if you need to tow more then 11,000 lbs, you probably need the HD truck just for the frame and brakes. Why didn't they do this sooner, it seems like such a winner.


Ford? That's the same company that turned an American car company into an import car company with a US name by changing its lineup to nearly all-Eurotrash.  That, and it didn't help that they thought it was a good idea to swap cylinders and displacement for forced air, hoping nobody would notice the difference. Essentially, that means more blander cars shoved down our throat that have no understanding of the US driver aside from compliance with regulations and the diktat of hippies.

At least Chrysler gives a fark about making products that (aside from Fiat) are known for simply not making neutered global cars and trucks.  That, and it helps that their main foreign partner isn't a Third World country bent on out-copying everyone else.  Between them and the remaining parts of General Motors not globalized to blandness, there's still some choice that doesn't boil down to how you want your neutered motor and turbo packaged.

/Eco-Boost is an abomination best left outside the US aside from special order.
 
2013-02-19 05:41:27 AM
Noted the hidtory lesson on Diesel doesn't iclude the fact he died mysteriously
 
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