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(Washington Post)   Because when you think of an authority on Olympic wrestling, you think of Donald Rumsfeld   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-02-15 08:34:44 PM  
You can only compete in the Olympic sports they have. Not those you wish they had

/fark rumsfeld
 
2013-02-15 08:47:32 PM  
He's bound to have SOME talent somewhere.
 
2013-02-15 09:34:13 PM  
Uh, Rumsfeld was captain of the wrestling in high school and was apparently quite accomplished.
 
2013-02-15 09:37:55 PM  
I am shocked and in awe at the stupidity of this headline. There is absolutely no reason to remove wrestling from the olympics and Rummy is right.
 
2013-02-15 09:39:02 PM  
at, of.
 
2013-02-15 10:17:44 PM  
"I was a wrestler for 10 years - in high school, at Princeton University and as an officer in the Navy, where I competed for a spot in the 1956 Olympics"

so he knows more about wrestling and Olympics that probably all sports commentators.
 
2013-02-15 10:47:35 PM  
www.youjustmademylist.com

What chickenhawk wrestling might look like
 
2013-02-15 10:47:48 PM  
So.... Subby thinks a prominent person publishing an op-ed piece about keeping wrestling in the Olympics is asinine? I think subby has their panties in a bunch because they don't like his politics, which has nothing to do with whether this article is wrong or right.

I may not like ban-happy Bloomberg, but if he writes an op-ed piece that nails an issue, I'll gladly give him credit for it.

Wrestling belongs in the Olympics. The dominance of Russia and the US are the only reason the Olympic committee is getting rid of it, and that's simply inexcusable as a reason, when weighed against tradition and the very reason there is even an Olympics.
 
2013-02-15 11:18:29 PM  
I agree with him on most points, but wrestling being Abe Lincoln's favorite sport comes of as a non-sequitor. The point is wrestling is universal and accessible to all.

also, Rumsfeld rules? fark him.
 
2013-02-15 11:24:16 PM  
LesserEvil:
Wrestling belongs in the Olympics. The dominance of Russia and the US are the only reason the Olympic committee is getting rid of it, and that's simply inexcusable as a reason, when weighed against tradition and the very reason there is even an Olympics.

Just for comparison's sake, here's the top 5 total medal winners in wrestling from the last Olympics:
1: Russia 11
2: Azerbaijan 7
3-5: Japan 6
Iran 6
Georgia 6

It would be more interesting if they were upfront for what the reasons were for eliminating wrestling. Is it that much less appealing to global TV audiences than badminton or table tennis? It's not even so much that I care about wrestling, but why isn't speed walking the first thing to go? (Bunch of lousy cheaters. I see you raising both feet off the ground!)
 
2013-02-15 11:25:45 PM  
And file this under "Why wouldn't I post this?"

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-15 11:28:34 PM  
Well, I can now cross "Donald Rumsfeld is right" off the list of things I never expected to say...
 
2013-02-15 11:30:42 PM  
This is how I imagine the subby when he walks into a party:

Subby: "HEY DID ANYONE HEAR WHAT THAT BABY KILLER UNCLE DONNY DON SAID THIS TIME!?"

Common sense person: "Uh... dude, he suggested we stop wasting money and find a cure for cancer."

Subby: "WARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGARBLLL"
 
2013-02-15 11:50:26 PM  
I think Rummy is a scumbag war criminal, but he's right about this.

I just wish he was writing this piece during a break in his war crimes trial at The Hague.
 
2013-02-16 04:24:01 AM  

jake_lex: I think Rummy is a scumbag war criminal, but he's right about this.

I just wish he was writing this piece during a break in his war crimes trial at The Hague.


This, and all the other similar posts.  I played basketball as my winter sport in HS; my sons were both wrestlers.  They used to say "Dad, it's better to wrestle and lose than play basketball and win."   I agreed with them (of course, you only get better in wrestling when you wrestle someone better than you are).  All I can say is wrestling turned my oldest son into a beast intellectual - he just got his Masters Degree in Applied Economics from Johns Hopkins after having to take Algebra 2 three times before he got it - what worked was the determination to follow-through that he learned from wrestling.  And, before the homophobes get to the plate, both of my sons have really hot wives.  The highlight of the last few Olympics for us was Gardiner's win over the I can't remember the Russian guy who was possibly the most dominant athlete in the world at the time.
 
2013-02-16 05:36:34 AM  

NotoriousW.O.P: Well, I can now cross "Donald Rumsfeld is right" off the list of things I never expected to say...


i.telegraph.co.uk
"Donald Rumsfeld is right."
mariopiperni.com
"Donald Rumsfeld is right."
i723.photobucket.com
"RUMSFELD!!!"
 
2013-02-16 08:17:56 AM  

NotEric: LesserEvil:
Wrestling belongs in the Olympics. The dominance of Russia and the US are the only reason the Olympic committee is getting rid of it, and that's simply inexcusable as a reason, when weighed against tradition and the very reason there is even an Olympics.

Just for comparison's sake, here's the top 5 total medal winners in wrestling from the last Olympics:
1: Russia 11
2: Azerbaijan 7
3-5: Japan 6
Iran 6
Georgia 6

It would be more interesting if they were upfront for what the reasons were for eliminating wrestling. Is it that much less appealing to global TV audiences than badminton or table tennis? It's not even so much that I care about wrestling, but why isn't speed walking the first thing to go? (Bunch of lousy cheaters. I see you raising both feet off the ground!)


Speed walking is total bullshiat but is part of track and field; that is the level at which they were cutting. However, there were better alternatives available, even some which were actually seen to be on the chopping block. But hey, modern pentathlon had one of its top execs on the committee making the decision, and wrestling (and the USA) had nobody.

Also, wrestling has been asked to become more streamlined and tv-friendly, as other sports like archery have had to do. Wrestling hasn't. Now do you see what happens when you defy a stranger in the Alps, wrestling?


MartinD-35: The highlight of the last few Olympics for us was Gardiner's win over the I can't remember the Russian guy who was possibly the most dominant athlete in the world at the time.

Aleksandr Karelin. I'm not sure whether there's ever been a more dominant athlete. One fluke loss in an entire top-level career is just insane.
 
2013-02-16 08:21:36 AM  

ilikeracecars: I agree with him on most points, but wrestling being Abe Lincoln's favorite sport comes of as a non-sequitor. The point is wrestling is universal and accessible to all.

also, Rumsfeld rules? fark him.


George Washington's favorite sport was cricket.

What a chickenhawk piece of shiat like Rumsfeld thinks qualifies as a good sport is completely and utterly irrelevant.
 
2013-02-16 08:23:40 AM  

NotoriousW.O.P: Well, I can now cross "Donald Rumsfeld is right" off the list of things I never expected to say...


In an infinite universe, all things are possible.
 
2013-02-16 08:40:53 AM  
using the asinine tag was asinine itself
 
2013-02-16 10:14:49 AM  

MartinD-35: And, before the homophobes get to the plate, both of my sons have really hot wives.</i>


Most of us do have smoking hot wives/GFs. Side effect of being in shape and having muscles.


The highlight of the last few Olympics for us was Gardiner's win over the I can't remember the Russian guy who was possibly the most dominant athlete in the world at the time.

Sorry, but that was one of the most shameful moments of olympic wrestling history, They made a bullshiat rule change before that olympics about getting a point for just breaking a grip and Gardners entire strategy was to exploit it by stalling for a pathetic win by that one point. He did NOT beat Alexander Karelin, he played the game.

Shameful.
 
2013-02-16 10:23:52 AM  

FarkinHostile: MartinD-35: And, before the homophobes get to the plate, both of my sons have really hot wives.</i>

Most of us do have smoking hot wives/GFs. Side effect of being in shape and having muscles.


The highlight of the last few Olympics for us was Gardiner's win over the I can't remember the Russian guy who was possibly the most dominant athlete in the world at the time.

Sorry, but that was one of the most shameful moments of olympic wrestling history, They made a bullshiat rule change before that olympics about getting a point for just breaking a grip and Gardners entire strategy was to exploit it by stalling for a pathetic win by that one point. He did NOT beat Alexander Karelin, he played the game.

Shameful.


You can't hate on a dude for winning within the rules.  No one was stopping Karelin from doing the same thing.  Oh wait, Gardiner was.
 
2013-02-16 10:43:51 AM  
bismark189:

You can't hate on a dude for winning within the rules.  No one was stopping Karelin from doing the same thing.  Oh wait, Gardiner was.


Yeah, actually, I can. If you want to glorify winning cheaply over the spirit of true sportsmanship, go ahead. It's typical nowadays. To make a tiny little rule change, easily overlooked, right before a competition to beat an undefeated guy who you couldn't honestly beat any other way was an embarrassment, and I am glad Gardner has had a shiatty life after it. Fat, toeless fark will always be a phony "champion" to me.

Karelin is still undefeated in my and several of my fellow wrestlers book.
 
2013-02-16 10:56:22 AM  

FarkinHostile: bismark189:

You can't hate on a dude for winning within the rules.  No one was stopping Karelin from doing the same thing.  Oh wait, Gardiner was.


Yeah, actually, I can. If you want to glorify winning cheaply over the spirit of true sportsmanship, go ahead. It's typical nowadays. To make a tiny little rule change, easily overlooked, right before a competition to beat an undefeated guy who you couldn't honestly beat any other way was an embarrassment, and I am glad Gardner has had a shiatty life after it. Fat, toeless fark will always be a phony "champion" to me.

Karelin is still undefeated in my and several of my fellow wrestlers book.



So he won cheaply by getting himself to the point where he COULD win gold? Not to mention winning bronze the following Olympics?  You make it sound like he was a no-talent assclown.

You just want to get on your high horse and pretend like you know more about wrestling than anyone else.

If you knew as much as you thought you did, you'd know that the rules for freestyle change damn near every year and for Greco-Roman about every two years.  Adapt or lose.  That's the name of the game.

But that's ok, you can continue to be butthurt.
 
2013-02-16 11:41:24 AM  
bismark189:


So he won cheaply by getting himself to the point where he COULD win gold? Not to mention winning bronze the following Olympics?  You make it sound like he was a no-talent assclown.

Nope, but he couldn't beat Karelin. Not honestly.

You just want to get on your high horse and pretend like you know more about wrestling than anyone else.


I do? That's funny, I never said anything even close to that. But hey, don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth.


If you knew as much as you thought you did, you'd know that the rules for freestyle change damn near every year and for Greco-Roman about every two years.  Adapt or lose.  That's the name of the game.


When someone entire strategy is to exploit a very obscure rule change, then stall until the end, that's not wrestling, that's playing mat lawyer. It's cheap, and it's a piss poor way to "win".   But again, your opinion is quite typical.

But that's ok, you can continue to be butthurt.

And you can continue to chant "USA! USA!" and feel proud about a pathetic "victory" for our nation. Good for you. Again, so very typical.

Gardner ended up a fat loser. Literally. His biggest accomplishment after that ONE gold metal was being on a weight loss reality show, and is still fat. Just filed for bankruptcy. 24 gold medal winning PhD Karelin? Respected politician. Very successful. With all of his toes, even. So much for butthurt.

Sometimes, karma is real.
 
2013-02-16 11:48:35 AM  

FarkinHostile: bismark189:


So he won cheaply by getting himself to the point where he COULD win gold? Not to mention winning bronze the following Olympics?  You make it sound like he was a no-talent assclown.

Nope, but he couldn't beat Karelin. Not honestly.

You just want to get on your high horse and pretend like you know more about wrestling than anyone else.


I do? That's funny, I never said anything even close to that. But hey, don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth.


If you knew as much as you thought you did, you'd know that the rules for freestyle change damn near every year and for Greco-Roman about every two years.  Adapt or lose.  That's the name of the game.


When someone entire strategy is to exploit a very obscure rule change, then stall until the end, that's not wrestling, that's playing mat lawyer. It's cheap, and it's a piss poor way to "win".   But again, your opinion is quite typical.

But that's ok, you can continue to be butthurt.

And you can continue to chant "USA! USA!" and feel proud about a pathetic "victory" for our nation. Good for you. Again, so very typical.

Gardner ended up a fat loser. Literally. His biggest accomplishment after that ONE gold metal was being on a weight loss reality show, and is still fat. Just filed for bankruptcy. 24 gold medal winning PhD Karelin? Respected politician. Very successful. With all of his toes, even. So much for butthurt.

Sometimes, karma is real.


Sounds like someone is still reliving his high school glory days.

And I certainly hope Karelin didn't win 24 gold medals in the Olympics... that would make him probably at least 120+ years old... assuming he won his first one around 16-18.

Again, you can be butthurt all you want.  Gardner won within the rules.  That's the way it goes.  If you and your comrade Karelin didn't like it, maybe yall should petition to have the IOC strip his medal.  Until then, stop whining.
 
2013-02-16 12:13:12 PM  
bismark189:


Sounds like someone is still reliving his high school glory days.


Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, wait, it doesn't. Ah, I get it now, you want to somehow try to link my opinion of sportsmanship and honest competition to my past, even though it doesn't make a lick of sense. I see.

Wow, you're good. And by good I mean weak.

And I certainly hope Karelin didn't win 24 gold medals in the Olympics... that would make him probably at least 120+ years old... assuming he won his first one around 16-18.</i>

Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Karelin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rulon_Gardner


I do stand corrected. Its 2 gold medals for fatboy vs 24 for the Russian.

Again, you can be butthurt all you want.  Gardner won within the rules.  That's the way it goes.  If you and your comrade Karelin didn't like it, maybe yall should petition to have the IOC strip his medal.  Until then, stop whining.

Wrestling lost the very best heavyweight ever from that travesty. Karelin retired from the sport in disgust after that crap. The corrupt IOC would strip Garners medal if enough bribes were paid. I'm sure that is the reason he got it in the first place.

You like the word "butthurt" don't you? You repeat it often.  I wonder why? Lack of vocabulary?

Your champion is a phony. You know it. The world knows it. Even many patriotic American wrestlers know it was a weak win and the only way Gardner could have got the gold. That's not butthurt, that's truth. Keep chanting "It's within the rules!" and perhaps the realization will fade to a quiet whisper.

But you still know deep inside.
 
2013-02-16 12:26:41 PM  
I never said Karelin wasn't the best wrestler ever.  I think he is.  But damn if you don't get all wargarbl as soon as someone points out something you don't like.  I'm leaving this thread now, have fun in your one man circle jerk.
 
2013-02-16 12:34:35 PM  

bismark189: I never said Karelin wasn't the best wrestler ever.  I think he is.  But damn if you don't get all wargarbl as soon as someone points out something you don't like.  I'm leaving this thread now, have fun in your one man circle jerk.


Um, up till you ran away, it was a two man circle jerk. Unless you don't count yourself as a man, that is. Hmmm...perhaps you are right after all.

You're not very good at this, you know.

/butthurt
 
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