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(ESPN)   Look, I admit these guys beat someone up to steal and use their credit card. All I'm saying is, why should they be punished for it? I mean, they're good at football. What more do you want?   (espn.go.com) divider line 98
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2013-02-15 02:59:36 PM  
Kicked off the team?
Hell, why aren't they in jail, having committed a violent assault, robbery, and forgery?
Anyone else sure would be, and it's kind of difficult showing up for games when you're in prison, as they should be.

Subby, in the future, please warn people that there will be auto-play drivel as soon as you click the link.
 
2013-02-15 03:02:12 PM  
Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?
 
2013-02-15 03:05:08 PM  
i'm a Bama fan. i live in Tuscaloosa. i never want to see those morons on campus or in a UA jersey again. and just about every Bama fan thinks the same way.
 
2013-02-15 03:06:41 PM  
It was a short-sighted decision that got the players into this mess. Is it really smart to make the same mistake twice? Would it not be wise to take a step back, examine all the options and find a solution that would benefit both the player and the program?

The "player" already tried to benefit, at the expense of another. Screw all of them. Allowing them back on the team just shows that their supposed athleticism takes precedence over being a good person.
 
2013-02-15 03:08:37 PM  

justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?


60M? that's like 1 month of recruiting money in the SEC
 
2013-02-15 03:09:56 PM  
Yes.  Let's lower the bar for ethics even more.
 
2013-02-15 03:11:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It was a short-sighted decision that got the players into this mess. Is it really smart to make the same mistake twice? Would it not be wise to take a step back, examine all the options and find a solution that would benefit both the player and the program?

The "player" already tried to benefit, at the expense of another. Screw all of them. Allowing them back on the team just shows that their supposed athleticism takes precedence over being a good person.


Okay, there are "short sighted decisions" that get people into a mess.  Man, I had one drink too many and had to deal with a pounding headache at work the next day.  I didn't balance my checkbook and went over budget when I went to the mall.  Whatever. Non-criminal offenses.

Criminal offenses are not short-sighted oopsies. They are crimes, and should be treated as such, regardless of the talent or "talent" of the person who committed the crime.  It's pretty goddamned basic 101 stuff.
 
2013-02-15 03:11:30 PM  

TommyymmoT: Kicked off the team?
Hell, why aren't they in jail, having committed a violent assault, robbery, and forgery?
Anyone else sure would be, and it's kind of difficult showing up for games when you're in prison, as they should be.


They were arrested and are out on bond
 
2013-02-15 03:12:00 PM  
If their victim had been heavily armed this would not have happened.  A gun in everyone's hand and a bullet to the head.
 
2013-02-15 03:12:30 PM  

justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?


Poor baby.

i.imgur.com

Let's ignore that one coach was told about a crime and did, at best, nothing, but based on evidence, talked people out of reporting his buddy... while the other immediately took action.

If anything, this underscores how bad Penn State was.

/I'm not an Alabama fan at all, either.
 
2013-02-15 03:12:33 PM  
"A bad apple can spoil the bunch, but who decided a person is capable of rotting beyond repair? Only in college football would such sanctimonious logic be tolerated."

media.comicvine.com
 
2013-02-15 03:12:37 PM  
Wow. This writer is in possession of some serious DERP.
 
2013-02-15 03:14:01 PM  
This isn't just getting drunk in a bar and hitting someone.  This was an assault and robbery and they sucker punched these guys and one of them was hit so bad he doesn't even remember what happened.
 
2013-02-15 03:14:04 PM  
God won't allow bad people to be successful on the football field.
 
2013-02-15 03:14:17 PM  

show me: Wow. This writer is in possession of some serious DERP.


A new Skip Bayless in training, perhaps. Although, in Skip's case it's deliberate trolling. I need to see more of this ding dong's work to gauge his sincerity on his viewpoints.
 
2013-02-15 03:14:59 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: TommyymmoT: Kicked off the team?
Hell, why aren't they in jail, having committed a violent assault, robbery, and forgery?
Anyone else sure would be, and it's kind of difficult showing up for games when you're in prison, as they should be.

They were arrested and are out on bond


Then let the adjudication begin.
 
2013-02-15 03:15:30 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It was a short-sighted decision that got the players into this mess. Is it really smart to make the same mistake twice? Would it not be wise to take a step back, examine all the options and find a solution that would benefit both the player and the program?

The "player" already tried to benefit, at the expense of another. Screw all of them. Allowing them back on the team just shows that their supposed athleticism takes precedence over being a good person.


Yeah, nothing in that article made sense. The author is a complete dumbass. I fail to grasp how committing a felony is somehow the "same mistake" as kicking these guys off the team.

Is it April 1 already?
 
2013-02-15 03:19:19 PM  
"It was a short-sighted decision that got the players into this mess"
The robbery? Maybe, but the decision to use the credit card shows clear forethought and intention.
 
2013-02-15 03:21:17 PM  

TommyymmoT: Subby, in the future, please warn people that there will be auto-play drivel as soon as you click the link.


My bad. Though it's ESPN.com, they have auto-play on every goddamn page, and I hate it.
 
2013-02-15 03:22:50 PM  

LesserEvil: Is it April 1 already?


not farking yet.  These months suck.
 
2013-02-15 03:24:35 PM  
My son is a freshman at UA and he said they gave him a wedgie, took his lunch money and stuffed him in  a locker. Not really, he said they should be out on their asses.
 
2013-02-15 03:27:30 PM  
one more reason we should let the players receive cash and gifts from boosters.  then they wouldn't have to go around mugging folks for some spending cash to take their date out on valentine's day.
 
2013-02-15 03:27:39 PM  
10/10 on that masterful troll, author. Nice one.
 
2013-02-15 03:30:55 PM  
FTFA -  It's easy to call the four players over-privileged brats. Scoff at their wasted opportunity.  For once, can't the value of a young adult's future equate to the value of national championships?  ... A bad apple can spoil the bunch, but who decided a person is capable of rotting beyond repair? ... Would it not be wise to take a step back, examine all the options and find a solution that would benefit both the player and the program? ... Why cut the cord entirely ...

Can someone tell this dipshiat the kids weren't expelled?
 
2013-02-15 03:30:59 PM  

justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?


it's the cover-up not the crime that gets you in deep farking trouble.  has no one in america read a history book?
 
2013-02-15 03:31:49 PM  
It could be worse.  They could have taken that money from somebody affiliated with the university who willingly gave it to them.
 
2013-02-15 03:32:29 PM  
at my school, we had an athlete get a dui.  he was 18 or 19.  the athletic director and most of the staff that knew about this incident wanted him gone.  he was a loser and this wasn't his first mistake.  his coach successfully argued that he shouldn't be kicked off the team or even suspended because the university hadn't clearly defined alcohol as an illegal substance in the substance abuse/conduct policy.  the coach stated that he would handle it internally.  the player was suspended for less than a game.  he wasn't even a star player
 
2013-02-15 03:34:05 PM  
Michigan may have gotten slob knobbed by Alabama early in the season and barely lost to South Carolina in the bowl game but if this happened in Ann Arbor the players would have been kicked out of school, not suspended. We may have more class, education and teeth up here but I would rather we win big games than operate with dignity.
 
2013-02-15 03:35:41 PM  
Why should you to go jail for a crime someone else noticed?

24.media.tumblr.com

/closes book
 
2013-02-15 03:38:33 PM  
I can't believe that farktard equated Alabama cutting felons with the Ravens sticking by Ray Lewis.

I thought the facts of the Lewis case had been settled, but during the Superbowl week dumbasses kept on digging it up again.

Alabama is ditching these felons because they are GUILTY.  They did it - they said they did it - and everyone knows they did it.  What they did is a serious crime, and the University wants nothing to do with it or them.

Ray Lewis was 100% innocent.  It was clear from the beginning to everyone with access to the facts of the case that he did not commit a crime, that he could not be convicted of a crime, and that the prosecutor was reaching beyond the facts to charge a famous person.  That's why the Ravens stuck by him; that's why he was found innocent; that's why he's not a criminal - he did not commit a crime.
 
2013-02-15 03:40:51 PM  

Arkanaut: It could be worse.  They could have taken that money from somebody affiliated with the university who willingly gave it to them.


or even just taken money from anyone who gave them it for any somewhat football related reason.  now that would deserve serious punishment.

the author is right that some kids deserve second chances for a mistake (ditching classes, having a few too many at the bar, underage consumption, etc), but you might have crossed the line to go-fark-off-and-get-the-fark-out when your "mistake" is intentionally beating a man unconscious to rob him (especially when you also have an unregistered gun in your trunk).  the first group of mistakes are youthful stupidity, the second is a violent crime.
 
2013-02-15 03:42:26 PM  
Wow. Hopefully the author is trolling and not a farking moron. See Penn State ... this is how a real head coach takes care of business.

/I still want Penn State kicked out of the Big10. Ugh.
 
2013-02-15 03:45:31 PM  
From TFA: No one kept Hayes and Pettway from stepping in and stopping the violence, as they're alleged to have done.

I don't know anything about the story, but isn't stepping in and stopping violence usually a good thing?

I suspect the author mean to say they didn't stop it.
 
2013-02-15 03:47:24 PM  

cefm: I can't believe that farktard equated Alabama cutting felons with the Ravens sticking by Ray Lewis.

I thought the facts of the Lewis case had been settled, but during the Superbowl week dumbasses kept on digging it up again.

Alabama is ditching these felons because they are GUILTY.  They did it - they said they did it - and everyone knows they did it.  What they did is a serious crime, and the University wants nothing to do with it or them.

Ray Lewis was 100% innocent.  It was clear from the beginning to everyone with access to the facts of the case that he did not commit a crime, that he could not be convicted of a crime, and that the prosecutor was reaching beyond the facts to charge a famous person.  That's why the Ravens stuck by him; that's why he was found innocent; that's why he's not a criminal - he did not commit a crime.


Though I agree with your entire premise I feel this was a risking wording as the man was present for a stabbing. He was proven innocent by the court. I believe he did not commit a crime but being involved and aware of an, at the time, unreported homicide makes it hard to go for 100% "innocence". I'd rather pull that out now before someone gets around to a harsher retort.
 
2013-02-15 03:49:16 PM  

cefm: Ray Lewis was 100% innocent.  It was clear from the beginning to everyone with access to the facts of the case that he did not commit a crime, that he could not be convicted of a crime, and that the prosecutor was reaching beyond the facts to charge a famous person.  That's why the Ravens stuck by him; that's why he was found innocent; that's why he's not a criminal - he did not commit a crime.


I learned something new today.  Throwing your clothes into a river, lying to police and pleading guilty to a lesser charge is the same as "innocent".
 
2013-02-15 03:50:16 PM  

LesserEvil: If anything, this underscores how bad Penn State was.

/I'm not an Alabama fan at all, either.


This. I think Saban is an insufferable douche, but he is at least not enabling criminal conduct.
 
2013-02-15 03:55:16 PM  
Hah.

Laws? Applying to college football players?

Next up in your world: Banks indicted for bogus ratings on credit swap packages.
 
2013-02-15 03:56:04 PM  
Huh, I guess I should be the one to point out that the University of Alabama still has to give these players/students the right to what basically amounts to University Court before they can be kicked out of school. It's in the school code. If you commit a serious enough crime(which this is) or break the honor code you are dragged in front of this committee to basically plea to stay in the University. Most do not succeed.

Other than that, Saban is waiting until a legal resolution to the cases because one of the four did not rob or beat up anybody.
 
2013-02-15 03:56:17 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: cefm: Ray Lewis was 100% innocent.  It was clear from the beginning to everyone with access to the facts of the case that he did not commit a crime, that he could not be convicted of a crime, and that the prosecutor was reaching beyond the facts to charge a famous person.  That's why the Ravens stuck by him; that's why he was found innocent; that's why he's not a criminal - he did not commit a crime.

I learned something new today.  Throwing your clothes into a river, lying to police and pleading guilty to a lesser charge is the same as "innocent".


it's a good troll.  i think he'll get some bites.  the "found innocent" and "100% innocent" phrase are big shiny spinners just waiting for a bite.
 
2013-02-15 03:57:45 PM  

justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?


Yeah, fark off. When the assistant coach is the one doing the robberies and the head coach helps cover it up then you can come in here and cry about it.
 
2013-02-15 04:14:45 PM  

justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?


WoW!  you farking PSU apologists just can't move forward.  Thank you for outing yourself!  I will mark you appropriately :)
 
2013-02-15 04:19:24 PM  
SEC?

*clicks*

Big surprise.
 
2013-02-15 04:20:30 PM  

A Fark Handle: justtray: Bama should be fined $60M and lose scholarships.

We're punshing schools for off field crimes now, right NCAA?

it's the cover-up not the crime that gets you in deep farking trouble.  has no one in america read a history book?


We know justray hasn't.
 
2013-02-15 04:27:14 PM  
I hate auto-play videos on websites.
 
2013-02-15 04:28:50 PM  
I work in HS administration. I suspend students all the time for fighting and petty theft. We bring them back, put them on strict academic and behavioral plans and give them a chance to redeem themselves. Every meeting I have, I point out that should you do something similar outside of our walls, you can fully expect to go to jail.

It offends me that this fark nugget would suggest anything different.
 
2013-02-15 04:30:04 PM  
I seriously cannot believe I am reading this in the year 2013.

The same is true for Brent Calloway, Tyler Hayes, D.J. Pettway and Eddie Williams. It's hard to argue that they would be better served by transferring to lower division schools with less than half the resources that are at Alabama's disposal. Would the teachers be better? The counselors? The coaching staff? Would another athletic department be better equipped to get a group of young men back on the straight and narrow?

OH DEAR HEAVEN FORFEND they have to enjoy slightly reduced quality of full-ride college scholarship AFTER THEY COMMITTED ASSAULT AND FRAUD!
 
2013-02-15 04:31:25 PM  
I just had a fried get kicked out of a doctoral program for getting a C in a 6-credit class. There were only 3 tests, she had spent over 50k into this degree (just in tuition), and she'll never get accepted to another school's program.

...And all she's guilty of is test anxiety.

Life's not fair. Throw them out on their asses.
 
2013-02-15 04:31:30 PM  
Now Alabama just has to find two more players to push off the team to be able to give scholarships to all of their incoming recruits.
 
2013-02-15 04:38:02 PM  

Nofun: I just had a fried get kicked out of a doctoral program for getting a C in a 6-credit class. There were only 3 tests, she had spent over 50k into this degree (just in tuition), and she'll never get accepted to another school's program.

...And all she's guilty of is test anxiety.


Uh, she's guilty of not knowing the material.  What a shock, if you don't learn the material, you don't get a doctorate.  And how on earth did you find how much she paid relevant?

Nofun: Life's not fair.


Perhaps in some instances but this isn't one of them.  I have no doubt she was informed prior to joining and after joining her doctoral program that if she got a C, she might be kicked out.
 
2013-02-15 04:49:33 PM  

TommyymmoT: Kicked off the team?
Hell, why aren't they in jail, having committed a violent assault, robbery, and forgery?
Anyone else sure would be, and it's kind of difficult showing up for games when you're in prison, as they should be.

Subby, in the future, please warn people that there will be auto-play drivel as soon as you click the link.


The auto-play was the highlight. Prim Siripipat...

If they took all the rule breakers in the SEC and put them in jail or fined them the states would be overflowing with prisoners and using the fine money to break even paying for them. You do NOT win 7 consecutive National titles without cheating, and you do NOT win 10 games a year every year without overlooking bad character. This is just the chickens coming home to roost. He threw these guys under the bus, you can only imagine what he puts up with from the rest of them. Not that I feel bad for any of these guys, it's so corrupt it defies description.
 
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