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2013-02-15 12:07:03 PM
Many students learn over the course of their studies that college is not a good match for them academically...

...So they go on to major in Business.

/Runs from thread.
 
2013-02-15 12:12:11 PM

UberDave: Many students learn over the course of their studies that college is not a good match for them academically...

...So they go on to major in Business.

/Runs from thread.


Or English, Liberal Arts, and for the ladies, Women's Studies.

/stands defiantly.
 
2013-02-15 12:24:38 PM
Better to drop out when you realize college isn't for you than stick around and keep piling up debt.
 
2013-02-15 12:33:35 PM
Because nobody is prepared for unforeseen life events, right?
 
2013-02-15 12:34:41 PM
Yeah, but don't you go tryin' to tell them about no global warmin'  Their's opinion is jus' as good as yours and what makes you so smart anyway?
 
2013-02-15 12:34:56 PM
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-15 12:35:06 PM
Houston ISD's stated mission is for all of their students to go to college. That is just moronic.
 
2013-02-15 12:35:42 PM
I had always struggled in grade school and high school. So when I got to university, I studied my ads off.

Some of the other freshmen thought that memorization would solve their problems, didn't understand that they would be required to think.
 
2013-02-15 12:35:55 PM

ajgeek: Or English, Liberal Arts, and for the ladies, Women's Studies.


"I like sleeping with girls as much as the next lesbian, but I'm not going to major in it..."
 
2013-02-15 12:36:15 PM
Obliviously college is biased as only smart people benefit.....we should require College to give out 50% of its degrees to people below average intelligence.
 
2013-02-15 12:36:19 PM
Drop out of college, then the rigors of college aren't for you.

Drop out of high school, then the lazy teachers and failed system wouldn't help the poor little snowflake sufficiently.
 
2013-02-15 12:36:36 PM
Many students learn over the course of their studies that college is not a good match for them academically...

It is because they are farking lazy but no mention that American collegial acceptance is not based upon anything aside from your check clearing.
 
2013-02-15 12:37:46 PM
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2013-02-15 12:39:40 PM

Sybarite: Better to drop out when you realize college isn't for you than stick around and keep piling up debt.


Not as easy a decision when you are getting good grades and would be leaving scholarship "money on the table" to pursue a dream job of operating equipment like this:
sine.ni.com
Not that any guidance counselor would cooperate with such plans anyway.
 
2013-02-15 12:40:09 PM

PhiloeBedoe: [i1079.photobucket.com image 400x300]


perishablepress.com
 
2013-02-15 12:40:53 PM

ajgeek: UberDave: Many students learn over the course of their studies that college is not a good match for them academically...

...So they go on to major in Business.

/Runs from thread.

Or English, Liberal Arts, and for the ladies, Women's Studies.

/stands defiantly.


Or psychology. That was the big one for a lot of the dolphin huggers that dropped their marine biology major after discovering that it's actually science and actually hard. ;)
 
2013-02-15 12:40:54 PM
Came for Judge Smails.
 
2013-02-15 12:43:12 PM
People need to stop imagining that College is some kind of intellectual Mt. Everest.
 
2013-02-15 12:44:05 PM
1. Finish high school as fast as possible
2. spend 2 years in a technical school and get a skill
3. get your bachelor's in a field that will use your technical skills
4.Profit

/maybe not profit in lot's of green, but in enough to live decently and some career satisfaction at least
 
2013-02-15 12:46:11 PM
Redneck jokes aside, we should have built far more technical colleges than universities in the last 30 years, and we never should have pulled apart the time-honoured practice of trades apprenticeship.

I've needed more plumbers than physicists in my life, and I have never needed someone with a PhD in Dyke Consciousness and a minor in The Light Comedy of Sylvia Plath.. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but it's been easier to teach myself welding and small engine repair than to try and find someone qualified under $100/hr. Even with inflation, that's still hooker money to me.

North America is now officially the "C Ship" Douglas Adams warned us about.
 
2013-02-15 12:47:43 PM

ajgeek: UberDave: Many students learn over the course of their studies that college is not a good match for them academically...

...So they go on to major in Business.

/Runs from thread.

Or English, Liberal Arts, and for the ladies, Women's Studies.

/stands defiantly.



If we don't support those degrees, how can I expect my coffee to be served with an unordered side of smug superiority and condescension?  Who will explain to me the power dynamic artificially represented by the tip jar is really just an extension of the philosophies behind Vaclav Havel's greatest works, and like all true absurdist situations, reflecting the opposite of reality to indicate that I, the advanced math degree consumer, am truly the powerless one, not only in the relationship between the barista and I, but in all subjective realities (as objective reality is a thought-construct of the powerless)?

Who will judge me?  I don't want it to be amateurs.
 
2013-02-15 12:48:26 PM
Whoa whoa whoa: so you're saying that kids with good grades don't drop out?

Thanks again, Ric Romero.
 
2013-02-15 12:49:05 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I had always struggled in grade school and high school. So when I got to university, I studied my ads off.

Some of the other freshmen thought that memorization would solve their problems, didn't understand that they would be required to think.


Marketing major?
 
2013-02-15 12:50:08 PM
College has been dumbed down to the point that anyone can get in. They rake in a lot of cash that way, but there are still people who can't graduate. Once it is dumbed down enough even for them, a degree will no longer have any meaning, and we are already stepping down that slippery slope.
 
2013-02-15 12:50:35 PM

Valiente: Redneck jokes aside, we should have built far more technical colleges than universities in the last 30 years, and we never should have pulled apart the time-honoured practice of trades apprenticeship.


We still have apprenticeship.

It's called "Graduate school".

/You've also probably got far, far more of a need for a physicist than you think. You just don't need to interact with one *directly*
 
2013-02-15 12:51:55 PM
"It could be if I knew two years before that science at university is going to be much harder than science in high school, perhaps I can change my behaviour then.

Now there's some optimism.
 
2013-02-15 12:52:53 PM

Valiente: Redneck jokes aside, we should have built far more technical colleges than universities in the last 30 years, and we never should have pulled apart the time-honoured practice of trades apprenticeship.

I've needed more plumbers than physicists in my life, and I have never needed someone with a PhD in Dyke Consciousness and a minor in The Light Comedy of Sylvia Plath.. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but it's been easier to teach myself welding and small engine repair than to try and find someone qualified under $100/hr. Even with inflation, that's still hooker money to me.

North America is now officially the "C Ship" Douglas Adams warned us about.


The "B" Ark.

http://www.geoffwilkins.net/fragments/Adams.htm

The C is where you actually want to be.

/SEE? We're all so useless the only thing I can do is pop in and correct an only marginally vague reference! We're DOOMED.
 
2013-02-15 12:53:52 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

Some foke'll never eat a skunk but then again some fokel, like Cletus, the slack jawed yokel!
 
2013-02-15 12:55:07 PM
ha ha...rural people are uneducated! ha ha!


/I'd like to see you grow an acre of corn, Winthorp.
 
2013-02-15 12:57:01 PM
Every Freshman in my college was required to take a remedial English class, in the forlorn hope of teaching them the rudiments of communicating a coherent thought in complete sentences. I tested out of it after one class, but the horrors of what I saw in that one hour will be with me forever. The Introduction to Sociology class I later took as an General Ed elective was the icing on the cake, in terms of my realizing that education can't fix stupid.
 
2013-02-15 01:00:05 PM
If you tell someone your major, and they ask you "what are you going to do with that?", and you can't describe your plans and goals in exquisite detail, then college isn't for you.
 
2013-02-15 01:00:30 PM

Master Sphincter: 1. Finish high school as fast as possible
2. spend 2 years in a technical school and get a skill
3. get your bachelor's in a field that will use your technical skills
4.Profit

/maybe not profit in lot's of green, but in enough to live decently and some career satisfaction at least


I know people who combined 1 and 2 and graduated through their technical school.  None of them went on to get a bachelors (yet).

/the plural of anecdote is not data
//some people just misjudge the first time around.
 
2013-02-15 01:01:35 PM

palelizard: If we don't support those degrees, how can I expect my coffee to be served with an unordered side of smug superiority and condescension? Who will explain to me the power dynamic artificially represented by the tip jar is really just an extension of the philosophies behind Vaclav Havel's greatest works, and like all true absurdist situations, reflecting the opposite of reality to indicate that I, the advanced math degree consumer, am truly the powerless one, not only in the relationship between the barista and I, but in all subjective realities (as objective reality is a thought-construct of the powerless)?

Who will judge me? I don't want it to be amateurs.


Aaaaand favorited.
 
2013-02-15 01:03:00 PM
"A large part is contributed to the academic or grade performance being worse then they expected; they just weren't prepared," he said.

Read more at:http://phys.org/news/2013-02-dropouts-werent.html#jCp

 Ironically the grammar in this article is worse than expected, for an article that discusses lack of academic aptitude.
 
2013-02-15 01:03:16 PM

Madbassist1: /I'd like to see you grow an acre of corn, Winthorp.



Shouldn't be a problem...

...Do you need an actual elephant to determine when the growing is complete?
 
2013-02-15 01:03:37 PM
When I did Academic Advising we had a saying "College ain't for everyone". That's really true. We didn't shiat on people because they were better suited to a trade or something. I value the hell out of people in the trades. But we need to face the fact that a helluva lot of people simply are not suited for college work.
 
2013-02-15 01:03:45 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I had always struggled in grade school and high school. So when I got to university, I studied my ads off.

Some of the other freshmen thought that memorization would solve their problems, didn't understand that they would be required to think.


As retarded as I am, no one was more surprised as I when I made it through college with decent grades. But you're right - in college I had to be taught to actually think. It was a foreign concept.

/does not use the degree...hell, have forgotten nearly everything learned
//not a good ROI, but what the hell - that degree can never be taken away
 
2013-02-15 01:05:43 PM

DECMATH: Sybarite: Better to drop out when you realize college isn't for you than stick around and keep piling up debt.

Not as easy a decision when you are getting good grades and would be leaving scholarship "money on the table" to pursue a dream job of operating equipment like this:
[sine.ni.com image 448x306]
Not that any guidance counselor would cooperate with such plans anyway.


www.peopleamazeme.com

www.demotivationalposters.org

failing those two

www.sciencephoto.com
 
2013-02-15 01:06:28 PM
Ironically the grammar in this article is worse  thanexpected, considering the author's critique of academic aptitude.

"A large part is contributed to the academic or grade performance being worse then they expected; they just weren't prepared," he said.

Read more at:http://phys.org/news/2013-02-dropouts-werent.html#jCp
 
2013-02-15 01:07:22 PM
Every school has a dumping ground for students who want a degree but don't want the work. Mine was the RTV program - literally zero minimum standards to get into it.
 
2013-02-15 01:08:30 PM

trotsky: When I did Academic Advising we had a saying "College ain't for everyone". That's really true. We didn't shiat on people because they were better suited to a trade or something. I value the hell out of people in the trades. But we need to face the fact that a helluva lot of people simply are not suited for college work.


The problem is narcissism. Everyone thinks that the're "super awesome" and wouldn't think of lowering themselves to doing a Plebeian "trade". Even when they're pushed to their limits by a freakin' Liberal Arts degree, they still refuse to accept the truth. Which is why we have so many educated idiots serving us coffee or teaching our children.
 
2013-02-15 01:11:36 PM

ajgeek: Or English, Liberal Arts, and for the ladies, Women's Studies.


What's cute is how you don't even understand the number of things wrong with that comment.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: It is because they are farking lazy but no mention that American collegial acceptance is not based upon anything aside from your check clearing.


You're so full of sh*t I can smell it through the monitor.
 
2013-02-15 01:11:45 PM
Higher education isn't for everyone, true, but then stop employers from requiring college degrees for every single position.
 
2013-02-15 01:11:55 PM

dickfreckle: Darth_Lukecash: I had always struggled in grade school and high school. So when I got to university, I studied my ads off.

Some of the other freshmen thought that memorization would solve their problems, didn't understand that they would be required to think.

As retarded as I am, no one was more surprised as I when I made it through college with decent grades. But you're right - in college I had to be taught to actually think. It was a foreign concept.

/does not use the degree...hell, have forgotten nearly everything learned
//not a good ROI, but what the hell - that degree can never be taken away


They didn't teach you how to think. They allowed you to think, which is very different
Your story: like looking into a mirror

/broke with twins on the way
//considering a life of crime
 
2013-02-15 01:11:57 PM

Sybarite: Better to drop out when you realize college isn't for you than stick around and keep piling up debt.

 
2013-02-15 01:12:01 PM
This article focuses on lower-income kids, but when I was in college I had some roommates my freshman year (we all shared a suite in the crappy dorm basement) that came from some serious wealth and were actually only there for the bong action and skiing. Their study habits were below zilch. Not exactly a shock when they didn't make it back after winter break and we never saw them again.
 
2013-02-15 01:13:12 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: It is because they are farking lazy but no mention that American collegial acceptance is not based upon anything aside from your check clearing.


I'm sorry you went to a terrible university.  Not everyone did, though.

Valiente: I've needed more plumbers than physicists in my life


Very unlikely, unless you only count personal encounters.  But if plumbing technology hadn't advanced in the past 50 years, your life would be pretty similar.  You might have to know more about fixing stuff around your house if we had vanishingly few plumbers, but you could probably get by.

If physics hadn't advanced in the past 50 years, you probably couldn't afford the computer to type that post, let alone the Internet connection.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-15 01:13:14 PM

Master Sphincter: 1. Finish high school as fast as possible
2. spend 2 years in a technical school and get a skill
3. get your bachelor's in a field that will use your technical skills
4.Profit

/maybe not profit in lot's of green, but in enough to live decently and some career satisfaction at least



At first I was all "Hey, I switched 2 & 3 and it worked out for me because I needed at least a BA for my technical writing certificate," but then I remembered that I probably would have done much better in my graduate work had I been aware of the rudiments of technical writing. In fact, I might not have been kicked out of my MA program. So there's that.

I'll also add that after two years of technical school, one may be inclined to go out and get employed rather than going to university.
 
2013-02-15 01:13:55 PM

stanank: Ironically the grammar in this article is worse  thanexpected, considering the author's critique of academic aptitude.

"A large part is contributed to the academic or grade performance being worse then they expected; they just weren't prepared," he said.

Read more at:http://phys.org/news/2013-02-dropouts-werent.html#jCp


Hang that on the article writer, not the researcher. It's an interview quotation, and has been poorly transcribed.

/I've been misquoted by a reporter
 
2013-02-15 01:14:15 PM
palelizard:
If we don't support those degrees, how can I expect my coffee to be served with an unordered side of smug superiority and condescension?  Who will explain to me the power dynamic artificially represented by the tip jar is really just an extension of the philosophies behind Vaclav Havel's greatest works, and like all true absurdist situations, reflecting the opposite of reality to indicate that I, the advanced math degree consumer, am truly the powerless one, not only in the relationship between the barista and I, but in all subjective realities (as objective reality is a thought-construct of the powerless)?

Who will judge me?  I don't want it to be amateurs.



25.media.tumblr.com


Well f'in done.
/awesome
 
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